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Pookie McPook
The Whiskers of Kurvi-Tasch
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Posted - 2013.03.04 15:49:00 -
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CCP have for years been looking for a way to increase the takeup of PVP within its population of carebears. My opinion is that the barrier for most casual players to leave high sec and go looking for trouble is cost. How do most people subsidise PVP losses while they are learing their trade? I'd say it was by missioning. The trouble is that missioning has become very unrewarding over the last few years. the better level 4 missions such as WC, Mordus, Gone Beserk or Blocade run with maxxed out social skills may get you 3m in reward, 10~20m in bounties and then there is the loot.
Unless you are prepared to truck hundreds of rubbish mods to a hub to sell you may as well just refine them to ore and use that to manufacture your own ammo to spend your LP on making it into Faction. The vast majority of mod drops will net you far less than 100k and that is if you can find a buyer in your system. The upshot is that if you are looking to replace say a fully fitted PVP 'Cane then you need to fork out about 75m? That can be an evening's work. People who want to PVP don't want to spend a week missioning in order to have enough in their pocket to fund a night's fun shooting people.
Maybe I'm being cynical but the best way for a casual player to fund PVP these days is by trading PLEX. Cynical in the sense that is what CCP want us to do. I would prefer to have mission loot improved so that you get the odd faction mod dropped in the same way you do in plexes. I can remember when I started playing many years ago my account was basically jump started by getting a faction mod drop on me. I sold it for a couple of hundred mil back in the day when that was a lot of ISK to a new pilot and never looked back. I was able to outfit ships and buy skills with impunity.
There is very little money to be made in manufacturing mods or indeed ships these days. Why anyone does it is beyond me. The economy is stagnating to the point that the cost of items on the market is pretty much ore price. Gear can't get much cheaper yet most people find that pvp is not self subsidising. What I am suggesting is giving them a bit of a shot in the arm by allowing the chance of a valuable mission drop. It's just an idea but I'm at a loss otherwise how the game is going to rejuvenate itself and move players out of their comfort zones. |
Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.03.04 15:50:00 -
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Get out of HighSec Make Isk Elsewhere Sleepers Level 5's. Plexes ETC ETC ETC ETC Thanks Zimmy!! <3 (Updated) |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.03.04 15:54:00 -
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Corporate/alliance based ship replacement programs. - Nulla Curas |
Pookie McPook
The Whiskers of Kurvi-Tasch
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Posted - 2013.03.04 15:57:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:Get out of HighSec Make Isk Elsewhere Sleepers Level 5's. Plexes ETC ETC ETC ETC
This is addressing the issue of casual high sec players who don't want to take their valuable pve boats out of high sec. They exist deal with it. Plexing is hardly hard yet it can have far better rewards. Why? |
handige harrie
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.04 15:58:00 -
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You could also do like people with brains do and start small with frigates, instead of being bad and whining about a non problem. Baddest poster ever |
monkfish2345
D'reg The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.04 15:58:00 -
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CCP will not buff missions, they are already far too easy a source of income.
also once you've been playing a while you release isk is actually pretty easy to make. and PVP is not that expensive if your are anything other than terrible. |
Pookie McPook
The Whiskers of Kurvi-Tasch
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Posted - 2013.03.04 15:59:00 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:Corporate/alliance based ship replacement programs.
And how is that usually funded? By hours of mindless mining. The gear still has to be manufactured or bought either with ISK or Plex. |
monkfish2345
D'reg The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.04 16:00:00 -
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Pookie McPook wrote: Plexing is hardly hard yet it can have far better rewards. Why?
have you run any high level plexes recently? I'm guessing not....
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handige harrie
Hedion University Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2013.03.04 16:00:00 -
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Pookie McPook wrote:ChromeStriker wrote:Corporate/alliance based ship replacement programs. And how is that usually funded? By hours of mindless mining. The gear still has to be manufactured or bought either with ISK or Plex.
0/10
this is so bad, it has to be a troll Baddest poster ever |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
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Posted - 2013.03.04 16:00:00 -
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Actually, the opposite should happen. Meta modules should only drop components that act as BPCs which will manufacture the meta module with the T1 module and possibly other materials.
This means more demand for minerals, more demand for T1 items and thus greater income through mining and manufacturing. The increased need for manufacturing lines will also lead to longer queues in highsec and the possibility of people going to lowsec for lower volume meta manufacturing. Mining Overhaul Nothing changed since 2008. |
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Pookie McPook
The Whiskers of Kurvi-Tasch
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Posted - 2013.03.04 16:02:00 -
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handige harrie wrote:You could also do like people with brains do and start small with frigates, instead of being bad and whining about a non problem.
Well clearly it is a problem as CCP is constantly asking for suggestions how to get people out of high sec and into PVP. And since when have frigates been free? There is still a cost that will mount up if you don't do something to replenish your ISK. |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2013.03.04 16:03:00 -
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Firstly, you do get the occasional faction loot drop. All named ships in the storyline missions have a chance to drop faction loot as well as the supervisior in the Worlds Collide (L4) mission. Several L3 and L4 missions also drop implants, not to mention the storyline missions that reward one with attribute implants.
Secondly, many L4 missions then can drop as much as 30m-40m ISK worth of loot in form of salvage material and modules. If it is too tedious for you to move these to your nearest market hub can one still just run missions at a popular mission running hub, where it often has good prices, too. Reprocessing the modules into minerals is probably the best option, because minerals get bought at many place.
Thirdly, the rare faction rats in asteroid belts can drop faction items, too, as well as T2 implants.
And if this is not enough can one always buy faction modules with the LPs from mission running.
I do not see why it needs more faction stuff here. It is empire space and not NPC outlaw space. Why would you expect to find much of the pirate factions there anyway? Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Pookie McPook
The Whiskers of Kurvi-Tasch
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Posted - 2013.03.04 16:04:00 -
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monkfish2345 wrote:Pookie McPook wrote: Plexing is hardly hard yet it can have far better rewards. Why? have you run any high level plexes recently? I'm guessing not....
You don't have to run high level plexes to get faction mods drop. |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2013.03.04 16:07:00 -
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Pookie McPook wrote: This is addressing the issue of casual high sec players who don't want to take their valuable pve boats out of high sec. They exist deal with it. Plexing is hardly hard yet it can have far better rewards. Why?
Well look, answered your own question. |
Pookie McPook
The Whiskers of Kurvi-Tasch
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Posted - 2013.03.04 16:09:00 -
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Lesson learned, people don't like change. In the meantime casual players will continue to live in high sec and cite ISK as the barrier to PVP. I'm not going to argue, it was just a thought. |
Alara IonStorm
4370
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Posted - 2013.03.04 16:15:00 -
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Pookie McPook wrote:Lesson learned, You say that like you learned something.
Pookie McPook wrote: people don't like change.
But you didn't.
Pookie McPook wrote: In the meantime casual players will continue to live in high sec and cite ISK as the barrier to PVP. I'm not going to argue, it was just a thought.
The most common PvP class in the game is the T2 Fit Battlecruiser which cost 80mil fully fit. T2 Fit: Frigates 10mil, Destroyers 15mil, Cruisers 35mil.
If you can't make this in a Lvl 4 Mission now then your kinda screwed, a loot buff won't help you. My Noctis clear 10-30mil worth of loot per mission.
People can cite all they want, doesn't make it believable. |
handige harrie
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.04 16:16:00 -
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Pookie McPook wrote:handige harrie wrote:You could also do like people with brains do and start small with frigates, instead of being bad and whining about a non problem. Well clearly it is a problem as CCP is constantly asking for suggestions how to get people out of high sec and into PVP. And since when have frigates been free? There is still a cost that will mount up if you don't do something to replenish your ISK.
1 hour of level 4's will give you more cheap frigate pvp than you can handle for days. Join FW both at the same time.
How can you not think of this yourself?
also, searching on google for eve cheap frigate pvp gave me this as first link:
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/02/eve-evolved-fitting-a-brawler-frigate-for-pvp/ Baddest poster ever |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2013.03.04 16:17:00 -
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Pookie McPook wrote:Lesson learned, people don't like change. In the meantime casual players will continue to live in high sec and cite ISK as the barrier to PVP. I'm not going to argue, it was just a thought. If we all suddenly began to embrace change then whose changes shall we embrace first?! It only creates new problems and demand for new changes. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2013.03.04 16:21:00 -
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Pookie McPook wrote:Lesson learned, people don't like change. In the meantime casual players will continue to live in high sec and cite ISK as the barrier to PVP. I'm not going to argue, it was just a thought.
Bears will always make excuses, it's easier than admitting to be a total pansy:
- I don't want to lose my full set of +5s - All the gates are camped all the time - I PVP in other games but not in EVE because it doesn't require skill - I need an Arena to PVP - I need X skillpoints to PVP - Goonswarm
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
monkfish2345
D'reg The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.04 16:21:00 -
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Pookie McPook wrote:monkfish2345 wrote:Pookie McPook wrote: Plexing is hardly hard yet it can have far better rewards. Why? have you run any high level plexes recently? I'm guessing not.... You don't have to run high level plexes to get faction mods drop.
no but worthwhile high sec plexes take time and effort to find, often even then they will drop nothing of value. while the chance of making more isk is there the probability is you will be making isk slower than someone who is good at lvl 4 missions. |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4116
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Posted - 2013.03.04 16:23:00 -
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I thought increasing the drop rate on rare mods would be a good idea. At least until I realized that increasing the drop rate would cause the price to go down and we'd be right back where we started. Malcanis for CSM 8 Module activation timers are buggy - CCP please fix |
Fearghaz Tiwas
ZOMBIEBEACHPARTYPATROL Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2013.03.04 16:38:00 -
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Level 4 missions pay out plenty for the amount of effort/risk involved.
A decent missioning ship and a salvaging alt and you can make a lot of isk very quckly, especially if you get a good run of decent missions/no drones.
The reason missions got a nerf (which I think I recall happening) was because it was making mining defucnt partially because mission runners just reprocess most of the loot (along with the drone poo).
It only takes a tanked badger 2 to haul like 250M worth of loot about, 1 trip once every couple of days or so is not a lot, specially if you can use your salvaging alt to do so. Better yet, work out what you can sell where you mission at higher prices, hauling everything to a hub is not always the best (though it is often the quickest way to get your isk)
I used to not really like the idea of having an alt, but since I have, it really has speeded up my isk making and made it more fun/efficient to make isk.
PVP in cruisers or frigs til you get a bigger isk buffer. |
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:33:00 -
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Gee, in four hours of missioning, and mining I can have close to twenty frigates built and fitted for PvP, and that is not even using L4 agents. If I did just two hours a day missioning and mining I could make and fit out three to four crusiers in a week, heck I could salvage all the wrecks in the missions/belts and probably rig two or three of them as well. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13072
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:35:00 -
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Your problem is that you're trying to make money from something that takes time away from making money, OP.
Ignore the loot GÇö you'll earn more ISK that way. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2824
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:44:00 -
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What a load of bull ... |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:47:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:What a load of bull ...
Remove insurance. |
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:48:00 -
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Lets find a solution to this problem that ALOT of people seem to be having.
Claim to be a casual player... Wonder why you can't afford stuff.
I'm coming to the realization that I don't think there is something wrong with the game atall?
TLDR: Complaining about not being able to compete, Is a casual player.
Go play the new call of duty when it comes out. I heard they have awesome weapon skins. Hyperfleet Industries is selectivly recruiting. Enquire today. Killboard
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2824
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:59:00 -
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Princess Saskia wrote:Lets find a solution to this problem that ALOT of people seem to be having.
Claim to be a casual player... Wonder why you can't afford stuff.
I'm coming to the realization that I don't think there is something wrong with the game atall?
TLDR: Complaining about not being able to compete, Is a casual player.
Go play the new call of duty when it comes out. I heard they have awesome weapon skins. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4117
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Posted - 2013.03.05 00:21:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I thought increasing the drop rate on rare mods would be a good idea. At least until I realized that increasing the drop rate would cause the price to go down and we'd be right back where we started. I should clarify it's not missions that made me believe this, but going through my fifth or sixth Dread Guristas spawn in a row that dropped nothing but tags and ammo and T1 mods. Malcanis for CSM 8 Module activation timers are buggy - CCP please fix |
Calathorn Virpio
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
4
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Posted - 2013.03.05 00:24:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:Get out of HighSec Make Isk Elsewhere Sleepers Level 5's. Plexes ETC ETC ETC ETC
for a new player
no no no no, and no no no no |
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