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Saladin
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Posted - 2005.08.15 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK So you had 2 ships shooting at you.
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Yes the turret one was not doing any damage, but this was not a controlled expirement as I had mentioned before ----
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.08.15 02:58:00 -
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"Edit- Josephine, if you've got a 3551 -3552 or similar patch, please, I'd be very interested. Otherwise, I've got to reinstall and repatch EVE in order to get onto SiSi right now. As for you not believing me... have you ever had an Interceptor MWD directly at your turret BS from 100km out? Don't tell me you can't hit that. I sure as heck don't have any problem."
Afraid there's no patch from 3551, they don't have that build available according to post in testing forum.... quickest way will be to clone the tq folder and use the 3448-3557 patch :/
as for the not believing part.. i think people are making point that while you'll hit target moving straight at you, it's way harder to hit something not moving in this manner ^^
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.08.15 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine "Edit- Josephine, if you've got a 3551 -3552 or similar patch, please, I'd be very interested. Otherwise, I've got to reinstall and repatch EVE in order to get onto SiSi right now. As for you not believing me... have you ever had an Interceptor MWD directly at your turret BS from 100km out? Don't tell me you can't hit that. I sure as heck don't have any problem."
Afraid there's no patch from 3551, they don't have that build available according to post in testing forum.... quickest way will be to clone the tq folder and use the 3448-3557 patch :/
as for the not believing part.. i think people are making point that while you'll hit target moving straight at you, it's way harder to hit something not moving in this manner ^^
Ah yes, and I entirely agree. However, my point is that Missiles will hit a target going in any direction for the same crappy damage, while turrets at least can have the chance of landing a few lucky hits for a lot of damage, or hitting a target flying towards/away from them with comparative ease.
-Electrofreak Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula |
WickedWeasel
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Posted - 2005.08.15 05:13:00 -
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... AND with turrets you have a choice of ammo and range/tracking (blasters 4tw :P), whereas w/ missiles you are pretty much stuck w/ the same crap dmg all the time.
- a proper fitted blaster ship will hit big AND smaller targets w/ almost the same effectiveness... - a propper fitted sniper ship WILL take down smaller targets fast...
... now PLZ try any of the above with missiles
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xPreatorianx
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Posted - 2005.08.15 07:00:00 -
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Edited by: xPreatorianx on 15/08/2005 07:01:00 quit your whinning caldari is better atleast for the hacs and the caldari bses are supposed to be used against lets see ahh BSes. have u seen the heavy missiles on a cerberus after the patch. max range with heavys 132 kms max velocity 1117 m/s i think.max damage 200 +. whut more do u want and crusie are way better just fit your raven with all crusie and OMFG we got a winner.so quit crying and actually think whut your setup is when u use caldari ships. then come and moan and whine to us if u still get ganked or cant do crap.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.08.15 07:09:00 -
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Originally by: xPreatorianx Edited by: xPreatorianx on 15/08/2005 07:01:00 quit your whinning caldari is better atleast for the hacs and the caldari bses are supposed to be used against lets see ahh BSes. have u seen the heavy missiles on a cerberus after the patch. max range with heavys 132 kms max velocity 1117 m/s i think.max damage 200 +. whut more do u want and crusie are way better just fit your raven with all crusie and OMFG we got a winner.so quit crying and actually think whut your setup is when u use caldari ships. then come and moan and whine to us if u still get ganked or cant do crap.
Their hac's suck.
Well, maybe not suck but they are a bit below par in the all round performance category.
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Ralitge boyter
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Posted - 2005.08.15 08:39:00 -
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How come missiles are even able to find a target?
A torp is a dumb thing that flies to anything marked by the ship that shot it so that should be quite easy to confuse even the primitive humans of the planet earth have technology that can do that.
Cruise missiles are "inteligent" and see who is an enemy so how hard would it be in making it think the sun is the big bad guy, I mean in a time of jump drives and interstellar travel in the blink of an eye do you really think missiles are a good weapon to use?
I vote for the removal of the missiles from EvE. Lets give all the missile users a free microphone and the one that cries the hardest over their missiles being taken away can be king of EvE for the day.
I my self use missiles as main weapon becuase I started in the time Minmatar ships had about the same luck hitting a space station from inside the hanger as the missile spewing ships now have of hitting the astroid they are flying into.
I would say just stick with it train your missile skills and let CCP have their way with your missiles for a while... Before you know it the forum will be filled with people crying foul about the latest patch and what it did to their railguns and lasers. In the mean time your missile skills have been maxed out and you are ready to try on the new skills that will make your missiles the "win all" button again, till the next patch that is of course
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Chris Henry
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Posted - 2005.08.15 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: xPreatorianx Edited by: xPreatorianx on 15/08/2005 07:01:00 quit your whinning caldari is better atleast for the hacs and the caldari bses are supposed to be used against lets see ahh BSes. have u seen the heavy missiles on a cerberus after the patch. max range with heavys 132 kms max velocity 1117 m/s i think.max damage 200 +. whut more do u want and crusie are way better just fit your raven with all crusie and OMFG we got a winner.so quit crying and actually think whut your setup is when u use caldari ships. then come and moan and whine to us if u still get ganked or cant do crap.
Their hac's suck.
Well, maybe not suck but they are a bit below par in the all round performance category.
No, theyre just different. I'll get in my Eagle and you get in your Deimos and we'll see how can pop the most frigs + cruisers moving at their full speed in 5 mins. I know who will be the winner. I love my Eagle and the Cerb - and I love the fact that they have a specialised role that very few other ships can do nearly as well. --------------- Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in very large groups... |
Christopher Scott
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Posted - 2005.08.15 09:20:00 -
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When will MMOs realize that trying to create a jack-of-all-trades class never, ever works.
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Tar om
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Posted - 2005.08.15 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Layrex nerf missles, the raven, the scorp (hey let's just make it's bonuses even worse while we're at it, or remove them rofl!!).
Let's also make shield tanking even more ineffective compared to armour tanking! Rather than just having shield extenders vastly underpowered, and boosters use too much cap for too little gain compared to reps. Let's make it so one boost turns your ship, OFF!!!
Make sure you get the cruisers and HACS too, we all know how overpowered THEY are!! What do you mean BOTH our hacs are sniper platforms??? That's not fair I want another! We all know how hacs like the zealot and Deimos are rubbish.
No Caldari missle AF?? THAT'S OK!! Why don't we remove the turret points too, and make them little itty-bitty EW platforms!!
Thankyou ccp! All the constant nerfing of everything here and there hasn't left this game in a mess it'll likely never recover from, let's just make sure we give Caldari one last kick in the face incase Caldari players feel one tiny sense of worth for playing this race.
signed. Keep nerfing. -- We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net http://www.serenitymovie.com |
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.08.15 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 15/08/2005 11:58:40
Originally by: Chris Henry
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: xPreatorianx Edited by: xPreatorianx on 15/08/2005 07:01:00 quit your whinning caldari is better atleast for the hacs and the caldari bses are supposed to be used against lets see ahh BSes. have u seen the heavy missiles on a cerberus after the patch. max range with heavys 132 kms max velocity 1117 m/s i think.max damage 200 +. whut more do u want and crusie are way better just fit your raven with all crusie and OMFG we got a winner.so quit crying and actually think whut your setup is when u use caldari ships. then come and moan and whine to us if u still get ganked or cant do crap.
Their hac's suck.
Well, maybe not suck but they are a bit below par in the all round performance category.
No, theyre just different. I'll get in my Eagle and you get in your Deimos and we'll see how can pop the most frigs + cruisers moving at their full speed in 5 mins. I know who will be the winner. I love my Eagle and the Cerb - and I love the fact that they have a specialised role that very few other ships can do nearly as well.
:shakes his head sadly: I'm a Caldari HAC pilot too, and all I have to say is, ignorance is bliss. Having flown my brothers Zealot, seen the other HACs in action, fought the other HACs in my own, I've come to the sad realization that our HACs, while they're a valiant effort, don't work as well in implentation as they do on paper.
The Cerb has miserable DPS for an HAC, even in a full gank setup with maxed skills and T2 heavy launchers it can just barely manage 250 DPS, a number that other HACs will easily blow away. The missiles, while very long range, have a long enough flight time at any significant range that most anything can warp off, and with the way missile damage works, you won't see a Cerb with Heavy missiles able to kill a Tech 1 frigate in one salvo. Granted, it's a pretty decent anti-frig platform with Assaults, but its limitation to using Kinetic missiles for any decent DPS really gimps its versatility. Replace its flight-time bonus with a damage bonus that applies to all missiles and it would have a new niche as the HAC that does weak damage comparitively, but can exploit weaknesses in resistances.
The Eagle is a bit better off. It's more versatile, and can actually pop Tech 1 frigs fairly well at a distance. The problem is if anything like a turret battleship decides to fire back across that distance, the Eagle is in trouble. The shield tank bonus helps a bit, but all in all, any turret BS at 100km off a gate can more or less do an Eagle's job just fine. DPS also suffers on the Eagle, so it has trouble breaking through most ships fitted to tank. Since most of its bonuses are for optimal range, and since those bonuses only apply to 2/3 of its high slot weapons, its at a bit of a disadvantage. Personally, I'd like to see one of the optimal range bonuses (preferably the one on HAC skill) for the Eagle dropped and replaced with a Rate of Fire bonus. This would turn it into a more mid-range ship, but give the Caldari a higher-DPS HAC that maintains decent tanking potential, resulting in a well-rounded ship. Not the uber tank of a Sacrilege, or the power of a Zealot or Deimos, but a sort of middle child.
Now, it is possible to make a Blaster Eagle setup, but really, in doing so you're just making a ghetto Deimos, with a ton less DPS and a little bit better tanking capability. The Eagle's crappy speed and mass don't help things either. Works alright if you warp in right on top of your target, but otherwise, not so hot.
-Electrofreak Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula |
Bracius
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Posted - 2005.08.15 12:21:00 -
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I don't bother to read whole topic, but: Scorp is fine... i don't have any good jamming or other EW skills and i fly it because it is only ship that can scramble certain players Raven: raven is mother of pvp if you set it up correct. The ability to tank and doing 400dps from 150km is unique and hard to counter. (don't know about exact dps, but with good missile skills dmg is untankable by 2x larII,3x harderer apoc)
Eagle... hit & run. Warp at 120km and pop few intys / pods. Not to mention sick tank.
Cerberus... that is tricky, but i guess it really sucks.
Harpy, crow... popularity should explain some. Also raptor is ok inty.
Now what do u want?
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Yazoul Samaiel
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Posted - 2005.08.15 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Bracius I don't bother to read whole topic, but: Scorp is fine... i don't have any good jamming or other EW skills and i fly it because it is only ship that can scramble certain players Raven: raven is mother of pvp if you set it up correct. The ability to tank and doing 400dps from 150km is unique and hard to counter. (don't know about exact dps, but with good missile skills dmg is untankable by 2x larII,3x harderer apoc)
Eagle... hit & run. Warp at 120km and pop few intys / pods. Not to mention sick tank.
Cerberus... that is tricky, but i guess it really sucks.
Harpy, crow... popularity should explain some. Also raptor is ok inty.
Now what do u want?
Raven is the Mother of PVP???????????????? first tiem i ever hear that tbh , raven was only good for missions and NPCing but now it is quite worthless even with new skills trained for lvl 4 ( thats what i have atm) raven is usualy an easy target in PVP , i tried a Raven VS raven b4 and it was liek a spittign contest i wasnt even abel to reduce the tanking of the raven and so was my enemy , i popped on to the mega with 6 Large nutrons warped in at 5 km range he was in hull b4 i even lost half my cap "What ever that doesnt Kill me just makes me stronger" |
Jalia Kovac
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Posted - 2005.08.15 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris Can you nerf their portraits too.
I'm so tired of all the "square jawed yokel" look.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.08.15 14:44:00 -
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"Raven is the Mother of PVP????????????????"
Sure she is; you never heard any of these 'yo mama' jokes..? >>;;
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Saladin
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Posted - 2005.08.15 16:47:00 -
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Does anyone know when they will introduce chaff and flare countermeasure's for ships? This feature is needed so that the missle's ability to hit the target is balanced by some sort of countermeasure. ----
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Grey Area
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Posted - 2005.08.15 17:22:00 -
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They're called "Defenders" and you've had them since day one. ========================================= * I'm ALLOWED to cheat. I'm a STARSHIP. * ========================================= |
Rawthorm
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Posted - 2005.08.15 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Grey Area They're called "Defenders" and you've had them since day one.
Indeed. People just need to bother training the missile skills for them. Anyone who wants to shoot down a missile will have to go through the same pains as the missile users themselves
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Saladin
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Posted - 2005.08.16 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Grey Area They're called "Defenders" and you've had them since day one.
Defenders shoot down missles, not the same as chaff/flare. Defenders are stupid because multiple ones will go after the nearest hostile missle, and when it is blown up the defenders already in space cannot seek a new target.
No, it has become increasingly apparent that something like chaff or flares that can fool mutilpe missles at once is needed. ----
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Abe LeRoy
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Posted - 2005.08.16 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris Can you nerf their portraits too.
I'm so tired of all the "square jawed yokel" look.
Heh, nerf this: *raspberry*
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Bracius
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Posted - 2005.08.16 20:03:00 -
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Raven = mother of pvp
If all u know is f1-f7 in geddon... belive me, good fitted raven will kill any geddon... AT ANY RANGE.
The ability to tank and dish good damage is soo overrated. Just maybe u need to think out of the box. But surely u will learn it hard way.:)
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Turin
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Posted - 2005.08.17 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Saladin
Originally by: Grey Area They're called "Defenders" and you've had them since day one.
Defenders shoot down missles, not the same as chaff/flare. Defenders are stupid because multiple ones will go after the nearest hostile missle, and when it is blown up the defenders already in space cannot seek a new target.
No, it has become increasingly apparent that something like chaff or flares that can fool mutilpe missles at once is needed.
Um... ya... NO THNAKS. I was nerfed enough in this last patch. Nerf me even more and Ill be utterly useless.
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2005.08.17 00:35:00 -
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Edited by: Neon Genesis on 17/08/2005 00:35:03
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There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
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Yazoul Samaiel
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Posted - 2005.08.17 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine "Raven is the Mother of PVP????????????????"
Sure she is; you never heard any of these 'yo mama' jokes..? >>;;
LOOOL well trying a raven aginst a mega or a geddon even gives a whole new sentance to the word " smack my B***". "What ever that doesnt Kill me just makes me stronger" |
Bracius
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Posted - 2005.08.17 10:39:00 -
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ever considered idea of putting sensor boosters on raven? I really wonder what pwns more at ~100km
Gankathron with 150dmg with iron is pathetic.
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MORRS
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Posted - 2005.08.17 14:56:00 -
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For all those that think the caldari nerf is such a good thing, the players have spoken. I sell bpc's. The bpc price has gone below 1 mil, they are not sellable and the BPO completely worthless. I've seen Ravens going in escrow for 90 to 95 mil cause players just want to get rid of them and get a REAL ship. That is the trend as I see it, just my opinion. I see post where players justify it and a rare who still likes flying one. But Players in EVE have spoken, the evidence is very few players want them, the nerf was to extreme and has made them to vulnerable to loss. I agree with original post.
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Rexy
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Posted - 2005.08.17 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: MORRS For all those that think the caldari nerf is such a good thing, the players have spoken. I sell bpc's. The bpc price has gone below 1 mil, they are not sellable and the BPO completely worthless. I've seen Ravens going in escrow for 90 to 95 mil cause players just want to get rid of them and get a REAL ship.
market price is a bit of a moot issue. ravens were very very popular, with a lot of people hopping on the raven bpc/building bandwagon. seems only logical now that the raven is not the defacto standard for mission running demand has dropped and pricing has gone down due to the vast surplus of bpc's/ravens availeable. ------------------ All i want for cristmas is a typhoon with launcher rof bonus :) |
Corsair Thunder
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Posted - 2005.08.17 18:46:00 -
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oh my god, i thought all the whining caldari pilots had ceased! Not another thread please!! -----------------------------------------------
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danneh
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Posted - 2005.08.17 19:05:00 -
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Nerf Caldari More?: sure.
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.08.17 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Corsair Thunder oh my god, i thought all the whining caldari pilots had ceased! Not another thread please!!
We've got something to whine about. Until things get fixed, you have to deal with it
-Electrofreak Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula |
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