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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
631
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Posted - 2013.03.08 22:14:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Andski wrote:ctx2007 wrote:Now James 315/6 and his cronies can leave the proper miners alone and crawl back in the hole where they came from.
what's the difference between a botter who checks his client every hour and an afk mackinaw miner who checks his client every hour 1) One is violating the EULA, the other is not. 2) One is targeted by CCP security, the other is not. 3) As Macks fill up in less than an hour, one would mine more than the other. 4) If neither checked, one would be mining after an hour, the other would not. Edit: But the big one is #1. The EULA is not an in-game contract, its in the real world. Its a contract that we all agreed to. Botters are breaking that real world contract. Surely you can see the difference between breaking a contract in the real world vs a fantasy one? You can tell the difference between reality and fantasy? 5) If the rock being mined is depleted the bot moves on to another, the AFK player cannot 6) If bumped out of range of the rock the bot can move back into place, the AFK player cannot
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3531
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Posted - 2013.03.08 22:22:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Andski wrote:ctx2007 wrote:Now James 315/6 and his cronies can leave the proper miners alone and crawl back in the hole where they came from.
what's the difference between a botter who checks his client every hour and an afk mackinaw miner who checks his client every hour 1) One is violating the EULA, the other is not. 2) One is targeted by CCP security, the other is not. 3) As Macks fill up in less than an hour, one would mine more than the other. 4) If neither checked, one would be mining after an hour, the other would not. Edit: But the big one is #1. The EULA is not an in-game contract, its in the real world. Its a contract that we all agreed to. Botters are breaking that real world contract. Surely you can see the difference between breaking a contract in the real world vs a fantasy one? You can tell the difference between reality and fantasy? I was gonna make some substantive comment, but really that edit demands:
EVE IS REAL
I WAS THERE I am a nullsec zealot. |
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
182
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Posted - 2013.03.08 22:23:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:We will not state what changes were made but yes there were changes made targeting specific malicious actors who are aware of the fact that they were targeted and have made some early attempts at guessing how they were targeted on their forums which is where this information seems to be sourced from. We don't have any further comment on the topic at this time but it can stay open for discussion as it's based in fact. Good job. Good job indeed. Keep up the good work!
Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
399
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Posted - 2013.03.08 22:59:00 -
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Andski wrote:ctx2007 wrote:Now James 315/6 and his cronies can leave the proper miners alone and crawl back in the hole where they came from.
what's the difference between a botter who checks his client every hour and an afk mackinaw miner who checks his client every hour ~kill them all, god shall know his own~ |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1675
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Posted - 2013.03.08 23:20:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Andski wrote:ctx2007 wrote:Now James 315/6 and his cronies can leave the proper miners alone and crawl back in the hole where they came from.
what's the difference between a botter who checks his client every hour and an afk mackinaw miner who checks his client every hour 1) One is violating the EULA, the other is not. 2) One is targeted by CCP security, the other is not. 3) As Macks fill up in less than an hour, one would mine more than the other. 4) If neither checked, one would be mining after an hour, the other would not. Edit: But the big one is #1. The EULA is not an in-game contract, its in the real world. Its a contract that we all agreed to. Botters are breaking that real world contract. Surely you can see the difference between breaking a contract in the real world vs a fantasy one? You can tell the difference between reality and fantasy? 5) If the rock being mined is depleted the bot moves on to another, the AFK player cannot 6) If bumped out of range of the rock the bot can move back into place, the AFK player cannot About #6, some players will click on the rock and hit orbit. Works best in ice fields where you have little chance of bumping into another roid. Then even the afk player will move back. But if they were bumped out of range they will not be able to turn on the miners once they get back, unlike a bot.
I do orbit, but then again I tank my mining ships, train the orca pilot in command skills, get command implants, command links...... http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Remiel Pollard
Intergalactic Trade and Harm
1389
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Posted - 2013.03.08 23:50:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:So it scans your computer for bots? Like does it check your hard drive or just the client's integrity when running? Reason I ask is cause I do enjoy privacy. I wont' download origin and I'd hate for Eve to become Origin
All your **** files are belong to us You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
3195
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Posted - 2013.03.09 00:10:00 -
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Andski wrote:ctx2007 wrote:Now James 315/6 and his cronies can leave the proper miners alone and crawl back in the hole where they came from.
what's the difference between a botter who checks his client every hour and an afk mackinaw miner who checks his client every hour One is human, the other is not. If you are seriously trying to imply they are one and the same, then I think we should also include AFK moon goo towers. After all, you only have to empty those once a week.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7008
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Posted - 2013.03.09 00:49:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Andski wrote:ctx2007 wrote:Now James 315/6 and his cronies can leave the proper miners alone and crawl back in the hole where they came from.
what's the difference between a botter who checks his client every hour and an afk mackinaw miner who checks his client every hour 1) One is violating the EULA, the other is not. 2) One is targeted by CCP security, the other is not. 3) As Macks fill up in less than an hour, one would mine more than the other. 4) If neither checked, one would be mining after an hour, the other would not. Edit: But the big one is #1. The EULA is not an in-game contract, its in the real world. Its a contract that we all agreed to. Botters are breaking that real world contract. Surely you can see the difference between breaking a contract in the real world vs a fantasy one? You can tell the difference between reality and fantasy?
so they're basically the same thing
got it ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7008
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Posted - 2013.03.09 00:51:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:One is human, the other is not. If you are seriously trying to imply they are one and the same, then I think we should also include AFK moon goo towers. After all, you only have to empty those once a week.
more like once every three weeks lol ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Agent Trask
New Order Logistics CODE.
97
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Posted - 2013.03.09 01:36:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote: This sounds eerily like a statement you'd get from military officials.
Good. They are taking this new offensive against botting seriously. Join the New Order, buy your permit today, and follow the code.
www.minerbumping.com |
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Agent Trask
New Order Logistics CODE.
97
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Posted - 2013.03.09 01:44:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:If I worked for a tax collection agency I'd file that tip right into the paperbin.... Admittedly a neat idea but it just doesn't seem very practical to me.
You haven't ever dealt with the US IRS.
Those folks are more than willing to roll with something as nebulous as this. They are only held to full standards of proof for criminal tax evasion cases. For merely dunning for upaid tax and penalties, the standard of proof is much lower. They would use such a revelation as a reason to go to a tax court judge, and have the RMT person's financial data retrieved for microscopic examination.
The more money the person is making on this, the more likely the investigation. Individual IRS investigators get a cut of the recovered cash.
Join the New Order, buy your permit today, and follow the code.
www.minerbumping.com |
Agent Trask
New Order Logistics CODE.
97
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Posted - 2013.03.09 01:46:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Andski wrote:ctx2007 wrote:Now James 315/6 and his cronies can leave the proper miners alone and crawl back in the hole where they came from.
what's the difference between a botter who checks his client every hour and an afk mackinaw miner who checks his client every hour ~kill them all, god shall know his own~
^this Join the New Order, buy your permit today, and follow the code.
www.minerbumping.com |
Agent Trask
New Order Logistics CODE.
97
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Posted - 2013.03.09 01:50:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:Get rid of the bots in Jita and I guarantee we'll see a lot less congestion when trying to go to Jita.
Allow Dust 514 players to shoot botting 'tards in Jita 4-4, and I'll buy a console.
Join the New Order, buy your permit today, and follow the code.
www.minerbumping.com |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
631
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Posted - 2013.03.09 01:55:00 -
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Andski wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Andski wrote:ctx2007 wrote:Now James 315/6 and his cronies can leave the proper miners alone and crawl back in the hole where they came from.
what's the difference between a botter who checks his client every hour and an afk mackinaw miner who checks his client every hour 1) One is violating the EULA, the other is not. 2) One is targeted by CCP security, the other is not. 3) As Macks fill up in less than an hour, one would mine more than the other. 4) If neither checked, one would be mining after an hour, the other would not. Edit: But the big one is #1. The EULA is not an in-game contract, its in the real world. Its a contract that we all agreed to. Botters are breaking that real world contract. Surely you can see the difference between breaking a contract in the real world vs a fantasy one? You can tell the difference between reality and fantasy? so they're basically the same thing got it Except that's not what he said at all. Selective interpretation (or intentional misinterpretation) doesn't prove your point. |
Utremi Fasolasi
The Jagged Edge Rebel Alliance of New Eden
183
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Posted - 2013.03.09 01:57:00 -
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I still see bots in Misneden. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4244
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Posted - 2013.03.09 02:18:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Andski wrote:ctx2007 wrote:Now James 315/6 and his cronies can leave the proper miners alone and crawl back in the hole where they came from.
what's the difference between a botter who checks his client every hour and an afk mackinaw miner who checks his client every hour 1) One is violating the EULA, the other is not. 2) One is targeted by CCP security, the other is not. 3) As Macks fill up in less than an hour, one would mine more than the other. 4) If neither checked, one would be mining after an hour, the other would not. Edit: But the big one is #1. The EULA is not an in-game contract, its in the real world. Its a contract that we all agreed to. Botters are breaking that real world contract. Surely you can see the difference between breaking a contract in the real world vs a fantasy one? You can tell the difference between reality and fantasy? 5) If the rock being mined is depleted the bot moves on to another, the AFK player cannot 6) If bumped out of range of the rock the bot can move back into place, the AFK player cannot 5) Ice doesn't deplete 6) Keep at range already does this for you, no need for a bot Malcanis for CSM 8 Module activation timers are buggy - CCP please fix |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
631
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Posted - 2013.03.09 02:43:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Andski wrote:ctx2007 wrote:Now James 315/6 and his cronies can leave the proper miners alone and crawl back in the hole where they came from.
what's the difference between a botter who checks his client every hour and an afk mackinaw miner who checks his client every hour 1) One is violating the EULA, the other is not. 2) One is targeted by CCP security, the other is not. 3) As Macks fill up in less than an hour, one would mine more than the other. 4) If neither checked, one would be mining after an hour, the other would not. Edit: But the big one is #1. The EULA is not an in-game contract, its in the real world. Its a contract that we all agreed to. Botters are breaking that real world contract. Surely you can see the difference between breaking a contract in the real world vs a fantasy one? You can tell the difference between reality and fantasy? 5) If the rock being mined is depleted the bot moves on to another, the AFK player cannot 6) If bumped out of range of the rock the bot can move back into place, the AFK player cannot 5) Ice doesn't deplete 6) Keep at range already does this for you, no need for a bot Re-engaging my miners/harvesters is not handled by that function. And while ice gets around the limits of an asteroid it can't get around the limits of the cargo hold |
Jason Xado
Xado Industries
94
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Posted - 2013.03.09 02:51:00 -
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Utremi Fasolasi wrote:I still see bots in Misneden.
What is your evidence of them being bots? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7009
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Posted - 2013.03.09 03:22:00 -
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Jason Xado wrote:Utremi Fasolasi wrote:I still see bots in Misneden. What is your evidence of them being bots?
if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Jason Xado
Xado Industries
94
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Posted - 2013.03.09 03:35:00 -
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Andski wrote:Jason Xado wrote:Utremi Fasolasi wrote:I still see bots in Misneden. What is your evidence of them being bots? if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck
Sure, but a lot of people confuse multiboxing behavior with botting behavior. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7009
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Posted - 2013.03.09 04:19:00 -
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Jason Xado wrote:Andski wrote:Jason Xado wrote:Utremi Fasolasi wrote:I still see bots in Misneden. What is your evidence of them being bots? if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck Sure, but a lot of people confuse multiboxing behavior with botting behavior.
But they're not really at fault if they confuse AFK ice mining with botting, since it is essentially the same. ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Jason Xado
Xado Industries
94
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Posted - 2013.03.09 04:33:00 -
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Andski wrote:Jason Xado wrote:Andski wrote:Jason Xado wrote:Utremi Fasolasi wrote:I still see bots in Misneden. What is your evidence of them being bots? if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck Sure, but a lot of people confuse multiboxing behavior with botting behavior. But they're not really at fault if they confuse AFK ice mining with botting, since it is essentially the same.
AFK does not equal botting does not equal multiboxing. They are three destinct activities. Two of them are allowed and one of them is not.
But I have a sneaky feeling you know that already :-) |
Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
154
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Posted - 2013.03.09 05:09:00 -
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The low hanging fruit is always the first to get picked. There are many more fruit on the limbs that require much more effort to get to. The sun is just breaking over the trees, it's going to be a long day, we have clear skies ahead. |
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
58
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Posted - 2013.03.09 17:54:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:We will not state what changes were made but yes there were changes made targeting specific malicious actors who are aware of the fact that they were targeted and have made some early attempts at guessing how they were targeted on their forums which is where this information seems to be sourced from. We don't have any further comment on the topic at this time but it can stay open for discussion as it's based in fact.
Respect.
Thank you for clearing things up. Some of us "REALLY" appreciate your efforts to rid the game of botters that cannot/will not follow the simple rules set forth for ALL to follow.
Please stay vigilant and ban as many of these outliers as possible.
Thank you thank you thank you!!! |
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