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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2011.10.14 06:44:00 -
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There are two CSMs in this game.
The one that the players voted for. And EVE University.
The recent wardec policy changes are proof of EVE University, via Kelduum Revaan, being the other de facto CSM. CCP caters to their needs, without any oversight by the players. They've become a carebear haven. They are now effectively impossible to wardec. CCP gave them, in essence, a PvP flag. They can turn it on or off at their whim.
The only single danger left for them is the suicide gank. Any other method of PvP against them is fruitless. The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
408
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Posted - 2011.10.14 06:50:00 -
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In just because..... Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
44
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Posted - 2011.10.14 06:57:00 -
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Why worry about Eve-Uni? No one really cares what you think about Eve-Uni. because you've gone on about them over and over again. Don't you think it's getting a bit old? How long can you hold a grudge for?
I've never been part of the Uni. I just think it's just a corp that helps people new to Eve, which is great cause Eve isn't the easiest thing to just play without learning how to do all the different things in the game, and you feel like it's your job to give them a hard time about not much at all.
I'd like to see you try running a corp thats meant to train new players while getting heaps of wardecs. I don't think it's a simple thing unless you want to teach people how to fight during a wardec.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
571
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Posted - 2011.10.14 06:57:00 -
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Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
19
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Posted - 2011.10.14 06:58:00 -
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Aw, can't afford the 1B/week fee? Seems like you need to mine more blue ice. |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
297
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Posted - 2011.10.14 07:00:00 -
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I love Eve-u. Big fan. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate Not Usually Killing Everyone.
94
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Posted - 2011.10.14 07:04:00 -
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Not really any one cares and besides, this is just making EVE Uni into an honorary ISD based corp hehe The Drake is a Lie |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
63
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Posted - 2011.10.14 07:14:00 -
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EVE U is cool. They need a mascot for all their games though. How about the hyena. PS seems qualified. Ask them. They may spring for a fur suit.
Anyone that war decs EVE U should use mental floss more frequently. There may even be a few scrip bottles in the med chest that require some attention.
Why not just run a bus over the school kids in the crosswalk. That'll give you a sense of power!
On second thought. Floss.
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
92
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Posted - 2011.10.14 07:18:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:Anyone that war decs EVE U should use mental floss more frequently. There may even be a few scrip bottles in the med chest that require some attention.
Why not just run a bus over the school kids in the crosswalk. That'll give you a sense of power! Half their members are carebear lifers.
Besides, no one in this game should be able to recuse themselves from the Sandbox.
The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
149
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Posted - 2011.10.14 07:26:00 -
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non judgement wrote:Why worry about Eve-Uni? No one really cares what you think about Eve-Uni. because you've gone on about them over and over again. Don't you think it's getting a bit old? How long can you hold a grudge for?
I've never been part of the Uni. I just think it's just a corp that helps people new to Eve. Which is great cause Eve isn't the easiest thing to just play without learning how to do all the different things in the game, and you feel like it's your job to give them a hard time about not much at all.
I'd like to see you try running a corp thats meant to train new players while getting heaps of wardecs. I don't think it's a simple thing unless you want to teach people how to fight during a wardec.
get over it.
/me feeding something bad and knowing it wont change.
Liked for truth. I don't have a problem with CCP looking beyond CCP and caring about how new players are welcomed into EVE.
OP isn't a nice man. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
88
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Posted - 2011.10.14 07:29:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Besides, no one in this game should be able to recuse themselves from the Sandbox.
Exactly this. You should not be able to reap the rewards of a corporation and its infrastructure while effectively making yourself immune to all but the wealthiest of people in the game. Not even a corporation that does so much supposed "good."
Isn't one of the most common pieces of advice given to nubbins, "don't buy/create that which you are unwilling or unable to protect" ? "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.10.14 07:30:00 -
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big fan of your posting. don't ever stop.
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
92
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Posted - 2011.10.14 07:31:00 -
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Ciar Meara wrote:Liked for truth. I don't have a problem with CCP looking beyond CCP and caring about how new players are welcomed into EVE. Then maybe CCP should do their job in retaining players on their own. Set-up their own NPC training corp run by GMs. Rather than giving special favours and privileges to a player-run corporation.
All CCP is doing is setting up a carebear haven that is free from most of the harshness of New Eden.
Unless EVE University has to start kicking people from the corp after 6-8 months of membership (minus a small select teaching staff), then this corporation is simply going to morph from newbie training corp to carebear haven, since nearly all forms of PvP can now be avoided within the confines of EVE University.
Quote:OP isn't a nice man. I'm a sweetheart.
The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
934
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Posted - 2011.10.14 07:59:00 -
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I think the warshield mechanic is silly, but it's a waste of the GM's time trying to police accusations involving it.
If the Uni becomes too soft and weak to the point that they aren't adequately training their newbies in the arts of war and murder, larger entities who can afford the fees can simply dec them and cut them to shreds.
There's three major newbie organizations left in this game: GSF, TEST and E-Uni.
We (GSF and TEST) train our youth in deep null because they grow up hard and the fear of loss is bled out of them immediately. Presumably the Uni will learn to have 'war weeks' where they intentionally drop their war-shield such that the combat aspect of EVE isn't denied to their students.
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Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
403
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:03:00 -
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Is agony unleashed still going? Cant remember if its them or eve-uni that just teaches people to spam ecm everywhere. GÖÑ Haviing your portrait painted here helps INTAKI Disabled Children GÖÑ |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
49
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:04:00 -
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It's nice to ~teach~ 1000+ people while collecting 7% tax ...
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Thorn Galen
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:08:00 -
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@Op.
That's funny. I recall that very recently, Eve University went to the rescue of Chribba's Sov. To me, that's a good thing and shows a willingness to fight for the right reasons. They were there. So was the Northern Coalition. Where you there ? You don't care ?
You claim they are getting an unfair advantage by using an exploit which now, apparently everyone else can and does use. How does that give them the advantage ? Everyone can use the same mechanism.
You mention some statistics without giving a source of the types of members they have in the Corp. (x%) newbies, (x%) older players - meaningless numbers without factual data. Why are you so upset over this ? You keep posting and reposting the same story.
You want to Wardec them but cannot afford it or what ? What is your reason - and it cannot be that they are being "protected" because the mechanism is open to all. Go on, give us the facts, backed by proper data.
Else it's all just butthurt hokum.
The door is not real. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
49
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:09:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Unless EVE University has to start kicking people from the corp after 6-8 months of membership
I didn't know EVE-U curriculum is 6-8 months long,
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ArmyOfMe
TEDDYBEARS. Excuses.
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:10:00 -
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Protecting corps and alliances like this is silly and should be removed asap. However, talking about eve uni as an example is just r3tarded, cause i dont think there is any other corp in eve that has had as many war dec's against them. At least try and find some other targets every once in a while so eve-uni actually have time to train up players in between all the dec's.
Oh, and why the f'ing hell is r3tarded censored??????
CCP, for the love of god boost the deimos..... |
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:15:00 -
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OP is creepy. Like "stalker ex" creepy. |
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Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
50
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:19:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote: You claim they are getting an unfair advantage by using an exploit which now, apparently everyone else can and does use.
Except, you know, people who choose not to exploit.
Quote: How does that give them the advantage ? Everyone can use the same mechanism.
Are you asking here how an exploit gives an advantage over anyone, who chooses to play without exploits? Obvious answer is that this is the very reason one uses and exploit, because it gives him/her advantage, or otherwise he/she wouldn't bother and take the risk of being banned.
Are you suggesting that the proper answer to exploits is to exploit yourself? If yes, ok, we'll leave at that, because apparently there's not point talking with you on any topic whatsoever, if no, why are you then telling that everyone can exploit themselves?
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non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
49
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:26:00 -
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I don't mind if they get wardecs, but there needs to be a balence to it. War all the time is a bit much. It wouldn't be easy to train people other things while at war. And I don't believe they should or do have an unfair advantage that other corps don't/can't have.
I just think OP needs to put this pointless grudge to rest. Drama queens need to have breaks, don't they?
On a side note: Goons and Test are big teaching corps? For some reason I never thought of Test and Goons as teaching new players. Maybe they do, but I think +¡t's a very small part of what they really do and not their main focus. |
Thorn Galen
The Scope Gallente Federation
72
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:44:00 -
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Karim alRashid wrote:Are you suggesting that the proper answer to exploits is to exploit yourself? If yes, ok, we'll leave at that, because apparently there's not point talking with you on any topic whatsoever, if no, why are you then telling that everyone can exploit themselves?
The Op has made it clear the the GM's say it is not an exploit, or am I wrong ? That is how I read the original post in the first thread. No, I am not for exploits but the Op is clearly concerned about this being an exploit. I am saying everyone who can, or needs to, uses the mechanism which has now been pronounced as not being an exploit. Unless CCP rules otherwise, clearly it remains a non-exploit which causes pain to some.
Sounds to me like someone wants to farm many easy kills from a Corp who are not willing to be at war all the time ?
Whatever, I'm done in this thread. It all sounds like a load of butthurt to me.
Peace out. The door is not real. |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
79
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:52:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:There are two CSMs in this game. The one that the players voted for. And EVE University. The recent wardec policy changes are proof of EVE University, via Kelduum Revaan, being the other de facto CSM. CCP caters to their needs, without any oversight by the players. They've become a carebear haven. They are now effectively impossible to wardec. CCP gave them, in essence, a PvP flag. They can turn it on or off at their whim. Their decshield is 19 corporations strong, and they've been allowed to use an exploit to avoid the CONCORD costs of that decshield. The only single danger left for them is the suicide gank. Any other method of PvP against them is fruitless. Have you ever noticed that you are the only person who cares about what E-Uni is doing? And since you got kicked out of the uni for being a huge troll how do you expect anybody to take you seriously?
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
93
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Posted - 2011.10.14 09:24:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:The Op has made it clear the the GM's say it is not an exploit, or am I wrong ? They are avoiding 72 billion ISK per month in CONCORD fees running their 19 corp decshield. That "exploit" is not commonly known, and apparently EVE University wishes that to remain a "sekrit". The exploit was given to them by CCP. EVE University can remain war free at no little cost to themselves (which I would call an exploit, even if CCP has given them special privilege to make use of it.)
The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
153
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Posted - 2011.10.14 09:25:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:I think the warshield mechanic is silly, but it's a waste of the GM's time trying to police accusations involving it.
If the Uni becomes too soft and weak to the point that they aren't adequately training their newbies in the arts of war and murder, larger entities who can afford the fees can simply dec them and cut them to shreds.
There's three major newbie organizations left in this game: GSF, TEST and E-Uni.
We (GSF and TEST) train our youth in deep null because they grow up hard and the fear of loss is bled out of them immediately. Presumably the Uni will learn to have 'war weeks' where they intentionally drop their war-shield such that the combat aspect of EVE isn't denied to their students.
There's a difference between GMs having to deal with edge cases, and making it legal to create corps and alliances, blatantly, to simply drive up the cost of wardecs.
You also seem to think that if someone DOES pay the exorbiant costs of the wardec, then the corp won't just hop alliances to remove the wardec within 24 hours. Which is now within the rules.
This isn't a change whose only impact is making the wardec costs less, it is a change that makes PVP opt-in within highsec.
As for thinking the Uni will "drop their dec shield for a wardec week" - hah. Really.
I almost wish E-Uni WERE given special treatment, because this change has allowed every carebear corp in highsec to use the same exploits. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.14 09:27:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:EVE University can remain war free at no little cost to themselves Good for them. Any corp that puts that much effort into helping newbies should get the same protection.
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
93
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Posted - 2011.10.14 09:29:00 -
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Skunk Gracklaw wrote:And since you got kicked out of the uni for being a huge troll how do you expect anybody to take you seriously? Apparently a lot of people are peeved that high sec is now a PvP-free zone (minus suicide ganking), all because EVE University lobbied hard for some sort of change to the wardec mechanics to make their lives easier.
This is what CCP gave them (and the rest of high-sec benefits as a side-effect) -- exploits are now legal.
The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
93
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Posted - 2011.10.14 09:33:00 -
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Goddess Ishtar wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:EVE University can remain war free at no little cost to themselves Good for them. Any corp that puts that much effort into helping newbies should get the same protection. You think all of this is so that the Uni can run a few tackling and d-scan classes?
No. It's about being able to run missions and incursions without interruption. It's about mining and industry. Avoid wars has little at all to do with newbs. It's for the benefit of their mission/incursion runners and their industrialists. More than half their membership is well beyond the newbie stage of their careers.
The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |
Darian Reymont
EVE University Ivy League
11
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Posted - 2011.10.14 09:33:00 -
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Deary me, it's getting hard to keep track of all these threads of yours, Poetic!
As much as I like the sound of being a part of the shadow CSM, I feel the need to once again clarify some of the misinformation Poetic is spreading.
Firstly, we never asked for these policy changes. We have pressured CCP to look at wardec mechanics for many years now, but to put it frankly we're just not that important. It's possible that these policy changes were intended as a bone to distract us, or perhaps CCP truly did mean it as a favour to us, but we weren't directly consulted and would much rather see an improved wardec system than have to use a decshield.
Secondly, the idea that we dislike PvP is flat out ridiculous. Our desire for wardec improvement does not come from wanting to be immune to PvP, it comes from war in Empire space being pointless and terrible, as well as our being consistently wardecced for the majority of a year by people who have no intention of fighting. We are constantly PvPing both in the traditional UniBlobs and small gangs in low and NPC nullsec, and have recently completed the first of what should hopefully become regular wardec events that provide actual fighting for everyone involved. We will also be using our decshield corps, which are now operated by what I consider to be official E-UNI Best Friends, to run wargames with our students. PvP training has never been a focus for E-UNI (due to there being several corporations out there who already offer excellent PvP training), but if anything it is currently on the increase, not the opposite.
With regards to our player base, yes we have a sizeable group of experienced pilots, most of whom function as staff in some form (be it administrative, teaching, mentoring or military). Poetic is correct (for once) in that we are not solely a "newbie" corp, but train anybody and everybody who has a desire to learn, so we also have many experienced pilots who are actively taking part in classes and events. Finally, even with the decshield, the NPC corps are still the best "carebear haven" available.
I understand that you're angry, Poetic. I'm genuinely sorry for the hurt we clearly caused you, but this is going beyond silly now. Do you even believe what you're writing? Director of Human Resources EVE University |
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