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Darian Reymont
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.10.16 11:36:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Kelduum Revaan wrote:You know, if you keep mentioning stuff like that, people will start to think you are upset because you were kicked out... If I was kicked out, why would you have awarded me a graduate medal? We all make mistakes, Poetic. We were even considering you for management position at one point - lucky escape! Director of Human Resources EVE University |
Cipher Jones
93
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Posted - 2011.10.16 15:19:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:There are two CSMs in this game. The one that the players voted for. And EVE University. The recent wardec policy changes are proof of EVE University, via Kelduum Revaan, being the other de facto CSM. CCP caters to their needs, without any oversight by the players. They've become a carebear haven. They are now effectively impossible to wardec. CCP gave them, in essence, a PvP flag. They can turn it on or off at their whim. Their decshield is 19 corporations strong, and they've been allowed to use an exploit to avoid the CONCORD costs of that decshield. The only single danger left for them is the suicide gank. Any other method of PvP against them is fruitless.
So the CSM get something approved that is desired by an overwhelming majority of players and its bad? They finally pull out a win/win and you cry about it?
Oh, and you mean mechanic formerly regarded as exploit. Just to clarify.
If you want to kill nubs you're a sad piece of work, and if you can't find anybody to kill in New Eden, biomass now and save yourself the imminent tears.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
114
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Posted - 2011.10.16 16:09:00 -
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Darian Reymont wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Kelduum Revaan wrote:You know, if you keep mentioning stuff like that, people will start to think you are upset because you were kicked out... If I was kicked out, why would you have awarded me a graduate medal? We all make mistakes, Poetic. We were even considering you for management position at one point, before you showed how mental you are. Not considering. I was offered it twice. Media Manager. I turned it down both times. Not my thing. But it was nice to get the offer and I thanked the offerees.
The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
114
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Posted - 2011.10.16 16:13:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:If you want to kill nubs you're a sad piece of work, and if you can't find anybody to kill in New Eden, biomass now and save yourself the imminent tears. No player-run corporation in this game should be able to recuse themselves from the sandbox.
This policy change allows every highsec corporation to do just that, avoid all non-consensual highsec PvP except the suicide gank.
And EVE University is not a corp filled with newbs. The majority of their members are a year old or older. It is a carebear corporation.
The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
511
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Posted - 2011.10.16 16:19:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:No player-run corporation in this game should be able to recuse themselves from the sandbox.
This policy change allows every highsec corporation to do just that, avoid all non-consensual highsec PvP except the suicide gank. Yes, but at least it'll be cheap!
Only 2M. Pre-order now! GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Asuka Smith
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
0
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Posted - 2011.10.16 16:29:00 -
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Empire PVP is awful anyways, it's got all the problems of lowsec and then on top of that a million neuts and RR exploits and blah blah blah. In 0.0 you avoid this BS, fight like men, AND it's not like people stay in EVE-Uni for their entire career. More targets for me when they get big fish small pond syndrone and form an alliance like CVA. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
114
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Posted - 2011.10.16 16:31:00 -
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Asuka Smith wrote:AND it's not like people stay in EVE-Uni for their entire career. You would be surprised.
The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
97
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Posted - 2011.10.16 16:34:00 -
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And what I find interesting about this thread.
That EVE university has to have a war dec shield. And the number of people in NPC corps because of war dec's. Something is wrong with this picture.
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Cipher Jones
93
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Posted - 2011.10.16 16:38:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:If you want to kill nubs you're a sad piece of work, and if you can't find anybody to kill in New Eden, biomass now and save yourself the imminent tears. No player-run corporation in this game should be able to recuse themselves from the sandbox. This policy change allows every highsec corporation to do just that, avoid all non-consensual highsec PvP except the suicide gank. And EVE University is not a corp filled with newbs. The majority of their members are a year old or older. It is a carebear corporation.
If you only play Eve to grief, this policy may make you asshurt enough to quit over it.
And if you only play Eve to grief and you've been doing it a while you've made people quit.
If you only play Eve to carebear and have been harassed by griefers this policy would likely make you wish to stay/rejoin.
Furthermore, griefing is in fact against the eula, but it is rarely enforced.
CCP could choose to leave the rules intact and simply ban the griefers, but this course of action would result in a loss in income. CCP chose to change one rule so that they wouldn't have to enforce 2 rules. Its funny how people only cry about the one that effects then negatively. i.e. you are harassing Caldari Citzen10917 in game, he corp jumps, you cry. You would cry a lot harder if CCP banned your ass for harassment, which they have explicitly reserved the right to do.
And of course, this is so they can work on important stuff like FiS instead of mediate.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
114
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Posted - 2011.10.16 16:43:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:If you want to kill nubs you're a sad piece of work, and if you can't find anybody to kill in New Eden, biomass now and save yourself the imminent tears. No player-run corporation in this game should be able to recuse themselves from the sandbox. This policy change allows every highsec corporation to do just that, avoid all non-consensual highsec PvP except the suicide gank. And EVE University is not a corp filled with newbs. The majority of their members are a year old or older. It is a carebear corporation. If you only play Eve to grief, this policy may make you asshurt enough to quit over it. And if you only play Eve to grief and you've been doing it a while you've made people quit. If you only play Eve to carebear and have been harassed by griefers this policy would likely make you wish to stay/rejoin. Furthermore, griefing is in fact against the eula, but it is rarely enforced. So, basically killing anyone in highsec (without a wardec), you would call griefing and/or harassment?
Quote:And of course, this is so they can work on important stuff like FiS instead of mediate. That's the GM job. To mediate. They don't code. They don't work on FiS. They are the customer service reps.
The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
511
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Posted - 2011.10.16 16:48:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:If you only play Eve to grief, this policy may make you asshurt enough to quit over it. The problem is that this won't affect griefers in any way.
It probably won't affect the nuisance deccers all that much, but it does affect proper warfare something immensely. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Handsome Hussein
32
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Posted - 2011.10.16 16:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:It probably won't affect the nuisance deccers all that much either, since they'll just switch methods to get their killmails, but it does affect proper warfare something immensely. Out of curiosity, does anyone know how much such a decshield costs on a weekly basis? Seems to me that would be a pretty big ISK sink.
FWIW the only non-consensual PvP I worry about in high-sec is suiciding or aggression mechanics. If my corp gets war-deced and I don't want to deal with it, I would simply drop corp and come back when the nuisance is gone.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the Uni (and Tippia in a month) have essentially created NPC corps for a weekly fee. Where's the problem here, tax rate or something? The Uni already has a pretty stiff tax rate IIRC. Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |
Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries
9
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Posted - 2011.10.16 17:03:00 -
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Awwww......ONE alliance in the whole of Eve that you can't war dec and you want to cry....
Boo hoo, maybe you'll have to war dec someone that will actually fight back this time... I am a Pod Pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1109/Hostile-Takeover-by-Marek-Okon[1].jpg
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
114
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Posted - 2011.10.16 17:04:00 -
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Handsome ******* wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but the Uni (and Tippia in a month) have essentially created NPC corps for a weekly fee. Where's the problem here, tax rate or something? The Uni already has a pretty stiff tax rate IIRC.
Kelduum Revaan wrote:"I have been in communication with CCP about various things. Some time ago I did make a list of ways to improve our teaching facilities ... amongst them was adding E-UNI to the CONCORD NPC faction in game. ( source)
The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |
Handsome Hussein
32
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Posted - 2011.10.16 17:15:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Handsome ******* wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but the Uni (and Tippia in a month) have essentially created NPC corps for a weekly fee. Where's the problem here, tax rate or something? The Uni already has a pretty stiff tax rate IIRC. Kelduum Revaan wrote:"I have been in communication with CCP about various things. Some time ago I did make a list of ways to improve our teaching facilities ... amongst them was adding E-UNI to the CONCORD NPC faction in game. ( source) Yeah, I've read that several times while you were making a fool out of yourself. What's the issue? Also, Kelduum has repeatedly stated that he has never petitioned or asked CCP for special treatment, regardless of what was actually on his list. I have no reason to believe you over him, especially since he could just be trolling the village idiot Stanziel. Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
114
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Posted - 2011.10.16 17:18:00 -
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Handsome ******* wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Handsome ******* wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but the Uni (and Tippia in a month) have essentially created NPC corps for a weekly fee. Where's the problem here, tax rate or something? The Uni already has a pretty stiff tax rate IIRC. Kelduum Revaan wrote:"I have been in communication with CCP about various things. Some time ago I did make a list of ways to improve our teaching facilities ... amongst them was adding E-UNI to the CONCORD NPC faction in game. ( source) Yeah, I've read that several times while you were making a fool out of yourself. What's the issue? Also, Kelduum has repeatedly stated that he has never petitioned or asked CCP for special treatment, regardless of what was actually on his list. Making a list of how E-Uni's existence in EVE could be improved and then handing that list to CCP ... that's not asking for special treatment? How would you describe that then?
The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |
Handsome Hussein
32
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Posted - 2011.10.16 17:20:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Making a list of how E-Uni's existence in EVE could be improved and then handing that list to CCP ... that's not asking for special treatment? How would you describe that then? So, even if he did, I don't see any special treatment being handed out. Tippia is about to use the same mechanic to (hopefully) turn a profit. Please explain to me where all the fuss is. Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2011.10.16 17:21:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:And what I find interesting about this thread.
That EVE university has to have a war dec shield. And the number of people in NPC corps because of war dec's. Something is wrong with this picture.
If there's something wrong with this picture we should all start thinking what's the cause of it.
It's not the new "shield" or the NPC corps. It's how player corps run, the time play requirements in those, the notion of KB stats where you get warnings because you've got ganked 5 times this month and only made 2 poor kils, Ring bell CTA's.
Those you mentioned mean some freedom, everything else doesn't. That's the problem when the game notion becomes a second job. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
114
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Posted - 2011.10.16 17:23:00 -
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Handsome ******* wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Making a list of how E-Uni's existence in EVE could be improved and then handing that list to CCP ... that's not asking for special treatment? How would you describe that then? So, even if he did, I don't see any special treatment being handed out. Tippia is about to use the same mechanic to (hopefully) turn a profit. Please explain to me where all the fuss is. I contend that this wardec policy change was to benefit the Uni ... that it actually affects all highsec corporations just gives it the appearance that no favouritism was involved.
The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |
Handsome Hussein
32
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Posted - 2011.10.16 17:25:00 -
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I contend that this wardec policy change was to benefit the Uni ... that it actually affects all highsec corporations just gives it the appearance that no favouritism was involved.[/quote] Even if it was done to benefit a carebear learning institute, who ******* cares? Anyone can use the mechanic. Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
114
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Posted - 2011.10.16 17:28:00 -
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Handsome ******* wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:I contend that this wardec policy change was to benefit the Uni ... that it actually affects all highsec corporations just gives it the appearance that no favouritism was involved. Even if it was done to benefit a carebear learning institute, who ******* cares? Anyone can use the mechanic. Making yourself immune to wardecs should be available to nobody.
There should be some sort of system in place (bidding system?) where some wardecs will get through and some won't ... depending on how much you want to pay to initiate or avoid. The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
511
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Posted - 2011.10.16 17:31:00 -
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Handsome ******* wrote:Out of curiosity, does anyone know how much such a decshield costs on a weekly basis? Seems to me that would be a pretty big ISK sink. If you absolutely have to go with a decshield, it depends on how high you want the cost for the enemy to be. The wiki provides us with the formula:
B * (N +1) * (W + 1), where B = Base Price (2M for a corp, 50M for an alliance), N = number of wars you currently have (1 for your shielddeccing corp), W = number of wars currently against the target corporation (which is the number you're aiming to inflate with the shield).
For a single corp, though, joining and leaving a decshedding alliance will probably be cheaper (only 2M a month in upkeep fee per corp, which the alliance will probably want to recoup as a fee), and will also have more effect (since you get rid of the wardec entirely, instead of just making it more expensive).
Quote:Correct me if I'm wrong but the Uni (and Tippia in a month) have essentially created NPC corps for a weekly fee. Where's the problem here, tax rate or something? The Uni already has a pretty stiff tax rate IIRC. The problem is that this makes wardecs in highsec pointless. If I want to save my POSes from someone who wants GÇ£myGÇ¥ moon, then I can just evade the wardec that is needed to get rid of it, and no-one will ever be able to disrupt my S&I activities there.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
P42ALPHA
nul-li-fy Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.10.16 17:37:00 -
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Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Sara XIII wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Jessie Kenan wrote:I wouldn't mind if Estel Corp did the same, but of course they don't need to since they don't attract the ***** wardecs as they're not full of noobs. Neither is EVE University. You've been misled. Only 15% of their total membership are characters less than three months old. Can you back this up? Poetic never lets things like facts or proof get in the way of his obsession with the uni.
After reading some of this thread, I got too yours. Never have I laughted so hard. SO SO True |
Handsome Hussein
32
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Posted - 2011.10.16 17:39:00 -
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Tippia wrote:B * (N +1) * (W + 1), where B = Base Price (2M for a corp, 50M for an alliance), N = number of wars you currently have (1 for your shielddeccing corp), W = number of wars currently against the target corporation (which is the number you're aiming to inflate with the shield). So quite a bit. CCP might just be thinking "rather than deal with all these petitions that are kind of hard to prove, we just let them have the ISK sink."
Tippia wrote:The problem is that this makes wardecs in highsec pointless. If I want to save my POSes from someone who wants GÇ£myGÇ¥ moon, then I can just evade the wardec that is needed to get rid of it, and no-one will ever be able to disrupt my S&I activities there. I gathered that much, and that is really the only problem I see. Here is where I see petitioning working to alleviate the problem, until and if high-sec warfare gets a facelift (which apparently it needs?) Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
114
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Posted - 2011.10.16 17:45:00 -
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Handsome ******* wrote:Tippia wrote:B * (N +1) * (W + 1), where B = Base Price (2M for a corp, 50M for an alliance), N = number of wars you currently have (1 for your shielddeccing corp), W = number of wars currently against the target corporation (which is the number you're aiming to inflate with the shield). So quite a bit. CCP might just be thinking "rather than deal with all these petitions that are kind of hard to prove, we just let them have the ISK sink." Kelduum has already stated that they are avoiding a large proportion of the costs. Normally their nineteen corporation decshield would cost 72B ISK per month to maintain ... they are only paying a small fraction of that cost. So the ISK sink argument doesn't come into play either. The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |
Handsome Hussein
32
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Posted - 2011.10.16 17:46:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Kelduum has already stated that they are avoiding a large proportion of the costs. Normally their nineteen corporation decshield would cost 72B ISK per month to maintain ... they are only pay a small fraction of that cost. So the ISK sink argument doesn't come into play either. Link? Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
114
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Posted - 2011.10.16 17:52:00 -
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Handsome ******* wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Kelduum has already stated that they are avoiding a large proportion of the costs. Normally their nineteen corporation decshield would cost 72B ISK per month to maintain ... they are only pay a small fraction of that cost. So the ISK sink argument doesn't come into play either. Link?
Kelduum Revaan wrote:As far as the mechanic or mechanics used to prevent the wars costing us up to 72 billion ISK per month, I would rather not go into detail, as although I have had confirmation from CCP it is fine, the mechanic could be used in other ways - similarly, I would rather people didn't speculate as to this, at least in public, although I'm certain that a few of you may know how it works. Lets just call it a special E-UNI "sekrit"... ( source)
The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |
Azelor Delaria
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2011.10.16 17:53:00 -
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Today, I found a way around the decshield for EVE University. I checked with a GM to make sure it wouldn't be considered an exploit, and was informed that it was not. However, there is a portion that falls under the "grey area" (it would make it impossible for the decced corporation/alliance to toggle mutual on any wars they currently have). It also would put the dec fee at a flat rate, instead of it increasing exponentially.
The GM escalated me to make sure that they were correct, so once I have a clear answer, I will post how to get around the EVE University dec shield.
Sometimes, coming up with a solution while bitching about the problem works wonder. :D |
Handsome Hussein
32
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Posted - 2011.10.16 18:05:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Kelduum Revaan wrote:As far as the mechanic or mechanics used to prevent the wars costing us up to 72 billion ISK per month, I would rather not go into detail, as although I have had confirmation from CCP it is fine, the mechanic could be used in other ways - similarly, I would rather people didn't speculate as to this, at least in public, although I'm certain that a few of you may know how it works. Lets just call it a special E-UNI "sekrit"... ( source) I get a lot of things from that, but not that CCP is providing the goods. Rather, they are saying that whatever the Uni is doing to get that ISK is fine.
Could be anything, from RMT to Uni management to buy PLEX (might explain the recent price hikes...) to market manipulation. And I get that the mechanic is in-game, so all that extra income that could be going to shiny new ******* ships is instead being used to make an NPC corp. ISK sink.
Again, you're failing to convince me that others couldn't do the exact same thing. Rather than getting up in the Uni's **** and thinking they're special for some reason (and obsessing over it), why don't you do something productive to outline the problem like Tippia? Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |
Andrea Griffin
27
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Posted - 2011.10.16 18:13:00 -
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Not that one person matters much, but I would occasionally make donations to Eve Uni and send new pilots looking for a corporation there as well. I will no longer do so and will, in fact, discourage new players from joining. This is absolutely inappropriate behavior and against the spirit of Eve. It's not you guys who need to repair what has been broken, it's us. CCP Wrangler |
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