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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:51:00 -
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Igualmentedos wrote:ShipToaster wrote:Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Apollo Gabriel wrote:Forgive my ignorance but how is the new policy ONLY helping Eve U?
Can't anyone do this? or did I miss something? You are correct. The only reason it's getting any attention is because the OP has a grudge against e-uni. *sigh* The OP did over sensationalise this and it got off topic quickly but what happened here is important. What is being said here is a little more complex than it appears on a surface read. The wardec issue itself is of relatively minor importance as is eve universities involvement. This thread does make the claim that there are two CSM's but does not really go into enough detail of the reasoning for this. I dont speak for PS and his reasoning might be very different from mine but I will try to explain it as I see it. The CSM are the elected representatives and are empowered to discuss issues with CCP. They have access, responsibilities, duties and procedures and this defines what the CSM is. This is the legitimate method that was set up after previous alleged corruption (added alleged and did not say who was involved or when to be careful here but many will know what this is about, find out if you dont know) and is accepted by all eve players to some degree as it is accessible to all eve players. By directly discussing game changes with player(s) not in the CSM then CCP can be said to have created another CSM like group. CCP have legitimised eve university through their ceo and given them special access similar to that which the CSM has without extending the same opportunity to all other eve players. For me the problems this raises are trust, openness and fairness. Trust. I want CCP to be as impartial as they can be. Some decisions on game mechanics will go your way, some wont, but you want to believe that you have been fairly treated. I am assuming that the wardec reversions are temporary and that new mechanics or simply fixed mechanics are coming soon (tm) but if wardec changes favour eve university then I will always think that this decision was based on discussions that most of EVE was unable to participate in. This for me is the issue in a nutshell. Openness. The CSM are to a large degree open about their dealings with CCP, as are CCP themselves, but I have no minutes describing what was discussed between eve university and CCP. The EN24 article may be referring to this when it talks about secrecy and secret meetings. Fairness. I have no idea what impact discussions between eve university and CCP will have on EVE. I dont like this. I dont like the fact that all alliances were not asked by CCP what CCP can do to help us. Do you have proof that this is going on? If so, I would love to see it. I'm tired of posting the damned links to this question over and over ... someone else can do it ... but Kelduum has admitted several times in forum posts that he discusses changes with CCP devs and has sent them suggestions on fixes that would be helpful to the University.
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Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:54:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:I'm tired of posting the damned links to this question over and over ... someone else can do it ... but Kelduum has admitted several times in forum posts that he discusses changes with CCP devs and has sent them suggestions on fixes that would be helpful to the University.
You realize there is nothing wrong with that, right?
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:59:00 -
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Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:I'm tired of posting the damned links to this question over and over ... someone else can do it ... but Kelduum has admitted several times in forum posts that he discusses changes with CCP devs and has sent them suggestions on fixes that would be helpful to the University.
You realize there is nothing wrong with that, right? As the name of this thread suggests, and as ShipToaster eloquently expanded upon ... its a second, one-man CSM (Kelduum), who has no accountability to anyone but himself, and no vision for the game beyond that of his carebear corporation.
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Handsome Hussein
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:04:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:As the name of this thread suggests, and as ShipToaster eloquently expanded upon ... its a second, one-man CSM (Kelduum), who has no accountability to anyone but himself, and no vision for the game beyond that of his carebear corporation. As usual, blowing **** way out of proportion. If Kelduum talked to CCP about something and CCP decided it was a Good Idea to implement, how is that a problem? It's CCP's game and CCP has a right to implement or act upon any suggestion they damn well see fit. They will have to deal with the consequences, but it is still their sole decision. Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:05:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:I'm tired of posting the damned links to this question over and over ... someone else can do it ... but Kelduum has admitted several times in forum posts that he discusses changes with CCP devs and has sent them suggestions on fixes that would be helpful to the University.
You realize there is nothing wrong with that, right? As the name of this thread suggests, and as ShipToaster eloquently expanded upon ... its a second, one-man CSM (Kelduum), who has no accountability to anyone but himself, and no vision for the game beyond that of his carebear corporation. Anybody in the game can talk to CCP about upcoming changes and offer insight and suggestions. It doesn't mean that every person who does so is a separate CSM. You insinuating that it does makes you look like a loon.
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:24:00 -
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One of the best things this all is doing, mittani and the Goons' hijinks included, is showing CCP what a mindbogglingly ******** idea it was to put together a group of people like the CSM with no way to recall them if they go awry no checks and balances sounds great doesnt it? What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
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Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:42:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:One of the best things this all is doing, mittani and the Goons' hijinks included, is showing CCP what a mindbogglingly ******** idea it was to put together a group of people like the CSM with no way to recall them if they go awry no checks and balances sounds great doesnt it? If the CSM had gone awry you'd have a point but since they are effective and getting stuff done you just look like a loon.
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:00:00 -
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Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:One of the best things this all is doing, mittani and the Goons' hijinks included, is showing CCP what a mindbogglingly ******** idea it was to put together a group of people like the CSM with no way to recall them if they go awry no checks and balances sounds great doesnt it? If the CSM had gone awry you'd have a point but since they are effective and getting stuff done you just look like a loon.
really? please list the things this CSM have done, that can be attributed to them and not where (like in the thread about the winter expansion) they jumped in and started claiming the ideas were theirs What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
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Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:32:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:One of the best things this all is doing, mittani and the Goons' hijinks included, is showing CCP what a mindbogglingly ******** idea it was to put together a group of people like the CSM with no way to recall them if they go awry no checks and balances sounds great doesnt it? If the CSM had gone awry you'd have a point but since they are effective and getting stuff done you just look like a loon. really? please list the things this CSM have done, that can be attributed to them and not where (like in the thread about the winter expansion) they jumped in and started claiming the ideas were theirs So you already know everything they have done but you hate Goons so much you refuse to accept the reality. Got it.
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Sealy
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:09:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:I'm tired of posting the damned links to this question over and over ... someone else can do it ... but Kelduum has admitted several times in forum posts that he discusses changes with CCP devs and has sent them suggestions on fixes that would be helpful to the University.
You realize there is nothing wrong with that, right? As the name of this thread suggests, and as ShipToaster eloquently expanded upon ... its a second, one-man CSM (Kelduum), who has no accountability to anyone but himself, and no vision for the game beyond that of his carebear corporation.
Ok there is a Third CSM, I was at FanFest and i spoke to the Devs and explained to them that it was it was great how i could make ships unscannable by making the Sensor strenght 2/3 of the ships signature and i suggested they should change this. Hey what did they do... they changed it.
Just after Wh cam out i was speaking to another dev at Fanfest and told them how if you ecm a ship it runs awayand stays outside of range until you switch it off reducing the amount of DPS.. I suggested they change this...
So i must admit i am the third CSM....
What else do you want changing??
Maybe i should change OOC Remote rep with station games. Ohhh lets suggest that you cannot dock and undock more that twice in 30min at the same station....
Get real.... there is only one CSM do you think they are at the beckon call of Kelduum or anyone else? they might speak to Kelduum and ask his advice about how training is going and how they could make it better as they want a high retention rate in the game to make money.
If you think you can do any better join the CSM yourself and change eve. |
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