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K3NDY
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Posted - 2005.08.16 12:48:00 -
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i have been hearing from some corpmates that ore relocation experts might be getting flagged for opening a jet can that is not theirs thus enabeling the miner to shoot them. Does this apply to the miner only or will concord now show up? will others be able to attack you? will ur gang be able to attack the miner if agro'd?
i was told this was on the drawing board for kali patch.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.08.16 13:06:00 -
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Concord will noy attack the ore thief. Though the miner and possibly his gang members can choose to open fire on the thief ------------------
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.08.16 13:06:00 -
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Poor players who wants to punish macrominers gets now their wrath _______________________________________________ My opinions aren't my corporations opinions.
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HybridMiner
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Posted - 2005.08.16 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon Poor players who wants to punish macrominers gets now their wrath
How would a macrominer be able to respond?
If he is away from the computer then he will not be able to return fire, and most miners will still not be gimping their mining ships so that they can blow up some fool. The only really effective ship for it is an indy and they will pop to most drones.
The pro ore thiefs, ones who have dedicated time to the field could fly elite indys, thus giving them a lot more protection. They have put time into it and should still have a chance.
The thing to look out for will be Griefers using it to kill poor new players.
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ASIV TRE
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Posted - 2005.08.16 13:16:00 -
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Are you sure its actually for the kali patch and not what was meant to be in exodus?
If it is true it will seperate the true ore thieves that train skills, from the alts that can only fly a basic indy.
All in all should be good fun
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HybridMiner
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Posted - 2005.08.16 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: HybridMiner on 16/08/2005 14:02:07
Originally by: ASIV TRE Are you sure its actually for the kali patch and not what was meant to be in exodus?
It is in the new "In Development" part of thewebsite - so that means that they should currently be working on implementing it.
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Druid R
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Posted - 2005.08.16 14:21:00 -
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all ican see as happening is that the alt ore thief is ganged up, when he steals ore and gets flagged, miner atatck him, so ore thiefs gang mates warp in and nail the miner. If the miner doesnt do anything then he has lsot his ore. If this is the case (that if miner attacks ore thief the ore thief's gang can attack miner) then it is pointless to introduce it as will mean miners die as well as lose thier ore.
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piercer
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Posted - 2005.08.16 14:41:00 -
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Will you get a sec hit from taking from cans not yours? If you do that would be stupid if a friendly corp picked up something for you and jettisoned it in space for you to take.
Also imagine a sniping pirate jetting cans near a gate in empire, passivly locking people approaching the can, then as soon as the n00b or whatever has taken from the can.... BOOM.
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Drilla
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Posted - 2005.08.16 15:09:00 -
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If they flag someone for opening a jet can then you shouldn't be able to put anything in a jet can after it's been jettisoned.
Problem fixed.
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2005.08.16 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Druid R all ican see as happening is that the alt ore thief is ganged up, when he steals ore and gets flagged, miner atatck him, so ore thiefs gang mates warp in and nail the miner. If the miner doesnt do anything then he has lsot his ore. If this is the case (that if miner attacks ore thief the ore thief's gang can attack miner) then it is pointless to introduce it as will mean miners die as well as lose thier ore.
From what I understand is that you don't get flagged for shooting anything that is flagged... for example someone is shooting you in low sec you can return fire without being flagged.
That means the orethief will be flagged... and anyone can shoot the flagged one but only the ore-theif can fire back.
Now I am pretty sure that CCP got some other things on their mind about this one.
Anyway I can see that my hauling alt might be sitting there with a Raven (created the can) and anyone who takes from it gets fired upon.
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2005.08.16 15:15:00 -
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Stealing ore is less of an exploit than jetcan mining. You're basically asking for the same logic that says you're allowed to shoot someone for stealing the dirt from the hole you're digging in your neighbours lawn.
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ASIV TRE
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Posted - 2005.08.16 15:17:00 -
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no, but your next door neighbour could shoot them
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Drunk Driver
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Posted - 2005.08.16 15:38:00 -
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They day ore thieves have to FIGHT to steal someone's ore will be the day CCP has finally solved the ore theft problem.
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Draaken
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Posted - 2005.08.16 15:59:00 -
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A remotely connected question regarding this: When I've been mining and hauling with a n00b-corp alt, I always got the message that I couldn't take from the (jet) can because I wasn't part of the gang/corp ... this could only be solved by making a gang including the 2 chars. I assume that's a bug? ________________________ Bah, my sig is 2Kb too large! |
J Squared
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Posted - 2005.08.16 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan Stealing ore is less of an exploit than jetcan mining.
The term "exploit" is tossed around too much and is way overused these days...
I'm really not sure where the idea that "jet can mining is an exploit" came from... (it's not and neather is ore theft) but seeing how CCP is now going to flag the ore theif for taking things out of the can but not changing the way jetcan mining works should REALLY set the record stright about the whole issue once and for all.
i.e: 1) Jet can mining is ok but there are risks that it may be stolen.
2) Ore Theft is ok but there is (soon) a risk that you will get owned for it. (This is as it should have been all along.)
3) Anyone that thinks jetcan mining is bad/evil clearly has never mined in anything more then a newbee ship. There is no other answer when you can fill your hold and/or secure cans within mins.
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Ashley Sky
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Posted - 2005.08.16 16:44:00 -
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This is such a fascinating topic for me, since my profession depends on stealing from jet cans
As a professional ore thief that can fly transport ships, I can deal with security flagging to the person I am stealing from. Another day, another nerf. I will simply work around it and exploit it for my entertainment.
The thing that concerns me the most is if you lose Concord security status for taking from other peoples jet cans. This would be very unfortunate and would alienate a lot of the player base, I think. It would be a shame to lose yet another PvP aspect of this game to the PvE grind it is becomming.
CCP, In a game that depends on player content, don't take away the ability for players to interact with one another. Thank you.
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HUGO DRAX
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Posted - 2005.08.16 16:48:00 -
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I would have to agree, dont drop the thiefs security status just flag them. This will make Ore Theft still a possiblity but only to the pros.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.08.16 16:52:00 -
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Is spitting in someone's face Originally by: Ashley Sky the ability for players to interact with one another.
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Get a life
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Ashley Sky
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Posted - 2005.08.16 17:02:00 -
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Within the boundries of the game, yes. It is indeed. I don't remember the game having a spitter module to equip, however.
Originally by: Sorja Is spitting in someone's face the ability for players to interact with one another?
Get a life
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ASIV TRE
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Posted - 2005.08.16 17:23:00 -
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Well if you pirate you lose sec stat, so why not if u steal ore might make you have to steal in unsecure space like you keep telling the miners to do
But might be a bad idea to lose sec for stealing ore, would be much more fun for a theif to be webbed and scrambled and sat there for along time trying to get away.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.08.16 18:19:00 -
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I'd like to know the exact rules around this so it does not turn into a "gank a noob" griefing session.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.08.16 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris I'd like to know the exact rules around this so it does not turn into a "gank a noob" griefing session.
Oh it will. This is why oppose any "fix"for the issue, because it'll cause MORE grief than it solves.
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Uggster
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Posted - 2005.08.17 10:55:00 -
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From Ashley Sky...
"It would be a shame to lose yet another PvP aspect of this game to the PvE grind it is becomming."
It's only PvP if the others have the chance of shooting back.
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2005.08.17 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: W0lverine /me takes HAC, puts lots of ok stuff in cargo, goes to noob space, jetistone them, 1 by 1 and watch noobs take it and blow them up
fun:D
You do realise that it will only be a short time before CCP needs to nerf that options too by for example make it petitionable or bannable offence and we get the crying game from pirates.
When pirates finds new methods to grief new players at then it is only a matter of time before CCP reacts on it, so either way you loose if you try doing such stuff.
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Rodge
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Posted - 2005.08.17 12:22:00 -
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As I understand it, I am able to shoot at someone lower than -5 sec status anywhere. So if I see one at a gate, I can shoot him and I know the gate will not help him. But, as I have agressed him, he is allowed to defend himself against me and the gate guns will not help me if he fires back.
Same thing will happen, for sure. People will go in a super cheap indy, take the ore and miners will blow it up. He'll insta to the station, come out in his BS and he'll legitimately be able to go back into the belt and shoot all the miners.
Or, the "ore relocation expert" will get his mate to come out in a BS and move the ore from the miner's can into his own. Now, if the miners touch it, his mate in a BS can shoot them happily without reprisal and the miners will be too scared to do anything about it.
Not to mention the amount of idiot miners who'll go for the pod afterwards of indys they destroy (it's not ok to fire on even a criminally flagged pod) then petition for loss of ships.
I have no doubt that CCP will give the miners some kind of concession, but I think it'll fall short of what the miners want (no-one able to access their cans except people they want) and will be worse for them in the long run. After all, it was people whinging about lack of security in low sec that led to pirates being unable to ransom at gates anymore and now they have no choice except to destroy ships and sift through the cargo.
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.08.17 14:15:00 -
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Make stasis webs non-agressive. Problem solved. ______________________________________________
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Hulredi
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Posted - 2005.08.17 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Uggster From Ashley Sky...
"It would be a shame to lose yet another PvP aspect of this game to the PvE grind it is becomming."
It's only PvP if the others have the chance of shooting back.
Uggster there is alot of PvP within this game that doesnt involve weapons
I use get upset when stuff did get stolen from me when i was mining but learning to adapt and overcome is part of this game. I try to preach the Ore thieft avoidance thread as it does help. I bet because of that info the ore thieves have a more interesting time while they are attempting to relocate the ore. My heart does race a bit faster as I am attempting to remove the ore from the belt faster then that annoying ore thief so fun.... kinda ... interesting .... yes .... upseting ... definately....
Anyway you get my point without it I could walk away from my computer for hrs on end and not have a care in the world that i am losing my ore as there is no ore thieves.
I am afraid that this flagging of cans is going to be abused to get people at gates that just go look into a can.
Here is a question how long before the can is accessed that it isnt owned by a certain player? I figure that 15 -20mins of no access by someone should allow anyone to access the can and remove the items out of it.
I use to be lazy if my mission was outside the system I was in I would jet a can with a bookmark in it at a gate so someone else could grab the loot.
ohh an idea place a bookmark in one of your cans and wait at the bookmark spot to shoot them in.... opps thinking outloud.
Ok I have babbled enough on this topic for now
H Hulredi
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Randay
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Posted - 2005.08.17 16:50:00 -
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lol pvp = ore theft lol pve = roid mining LOLLERSKATES
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.08.17 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Avon Make stasis webs non-agressive. Problem solved.
I'm going to make an alt with a BB and load its mids with 90% webbers and giggle as BS move 10m/s to the gate or station and can't align for warp.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.08.17 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Originally by: Avon Make stasis webs non-agressive. Problem solved.
I'm going to make an alt with a BB and load its mids with 90% webbers and giggle as BS move 10m/s to the gate or station and can't align for warp.
Being webbed doesn't effect your ability to align and warp. ______________________________________________
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