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Fix Lag
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:05:00 -
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GM Karidor announced here that wardecs can now be avoided in ways previously considered exploits. There was no accompanying devblog or explanation.
These exploits were considered as such with good reason, because without rules against them all a corporation has to do is create shell corporations which (to sum things up) all toggle decs with each other between mutual and non mutual and have members move between them as needed, and if POSes are threatened then a corporation just has to drop from an alliance and make sure their tower is stronted.
Hoping that players forget to fuel their POSes is a pretty terrible game mechanic. Allowing people damn near impunity to go about in highsec is a pretty terrible game mechanic. Making the entire wardec system require massive amounts of meta-gaming to work is a pretty terrible game mechanic.
And promising to boost CONCORD (which Hilmar recently did via Twitter) while simultaneously nerfing the ability to fight people legitimately in highsec is ludicrously stupid and goes against the very ideal that was Eve.
Why?
Why was it changed?
Why was it changed now, and why was it changed without an overhaul of the wardec system's in-game mechanics?
This change along with anecdotal evidence of meetings between CCP employees and corporation CEOs earlier this year as well as circumstantial evidence (corporation policy change timing) reeks of favoritism towards certain groups.
Remember the Aurora program? You probably don't, because it was shut down years ago after evidence of CCP favoritism when distributing rewards surfaced.
Remember the T2 BPO scandal? CCP sure does. You still can't even say the guy's name who broke the story. CCP played favorites and gave certain groups advantages over others.
Every time CCP has played favorites and tried to hide it, **** has hit the fan and things have ended badly for everyone.
So, give us a good explanation of why the rules were arbitrarily changed for the worse on October 10th. Because your credibility, or at least what little is left, is at stake here. |
Vachir Khan
TriSeq Defence Group
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:27:00 -
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EVE is turning to the mass market, haven't you been paying attention the last 3 years? Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude. |
DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:28:00 -
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Perhaps it's so bittervets don't wardec nooby corps for some :elitekills:? |
Fix Lag
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:31:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:Perhaps it's so bittervets don't wardec nooby corps for some :elitekills:?
That's why corporations are allowed to join alliances.
And I'm not surprised to see this argument coming from someone in Red vs. Blue. Grow a pair and risk something bigger than a frigate.
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Stella SGP
The Kimotoro Initiative
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:38:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:And promising to boost CONCORD (which Hilmar recently did via Twitter) while simultaneously nerfing the ability to fight people legitimately in highsec is ludicrously stupid and goes against the very ideal that was Eve. Are you stupid?
Since when was anything like that "promised"? Its because of people like you that CCP has so much problems communicating outside of official channels. |
Fix Lag
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:42:00 -
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Stella SGP wrote:Fix Lag wrote:And promising to boost CONCORD (which Hilmar recently did via Twitter) while simultaneously nerfing the ability to fight people legitimately in highsec is ludicrously stupid and goes against the very ideal that was Eve. Are you stupid? Since when was anything like that "promised"? Its because of people like you that CCP has so much problems communicating outside of official channels.
"HilmarVeigar: @deanasfreddie wow, that's impressive! @ArnarHrafn do we need to take a look at some CONCORD AI upgrades to curb the ganking?"
"ArnarHrafn @HilmarVeigar @deanasfreddie I believe we need to look at it, yes"
Followed by about 5 or 10 tweets from Hilmar about how they want to make CONCORD smarter.
What I'm really saying here is that you should shut up, because you are wrong, and I have evidence to prove it.
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DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:42:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote: And I'm not surprised to see this argument coming from someone in Red vs. Blue. Grow a pair and risk something bigger than a frigate.
Says the forum alt. Furthermore, RVB isn't limited to frigs, which shows what you know. (Hint: nothing)
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ArmyOfMe
TEDDYBEARS. Excuses.
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:45:00 -
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Dear OP, why are you complaining about the war dec changes seeing as you have never had any kills
And if you dont have the balls to post with your main, then you really shouldnt be the one complaining about how others are avoiding risk.
Am i doin this rite?
CCP, for the love of god boost the deimos..... |
Fix Lag
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:46:00 -
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Oh, sorry, I missed the part where you fly around in T2 ships, battleships, and capitals, killing and podding each other. |
Stella SGP
The Kimotoro Initiative
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:47:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:Stella SGP wrote:Fix Lag wrote:And promising to boost CONCORD (which Hilmar recently did via Twitter) while simultaneously nerfing the ability to fight people legitimately in highsec is ludicrously stupid and goes against the very ideal that was Eve. Are you stupid? Since when was anything like that "promised"? Its because of people like you that CCP has so much problems communicating outside of official channels. "HilmarVeigar: @deanasfreddie wow, that's impressive! @ArnarHrafn do we need to take a look at some CONCORD AI upgrades to curb the ganking?" "ArnarHrafn @HilmarVeigar @deanasfreddie I believe we need to look at it, yes" Followed by about 5 or 10 tweets from Hilmar about how they want to make CONCORD smarter. What I'm really saying here is that you should shut up, because you are wrong, and I have evidence to prove it. So you are stupid...
I've seen that post before and how is that a "promise"? Stop acting like a little kid and crying 'you promised' at everything people say. |
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Fix Lag
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:47:00 -
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If I had a dollar for every time someone whined that I'm a forum alt I'd have more money than Hilmar Veigar after the latest subscription numbers came in. |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:51:00 -
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Another forum whiner goes to "soon to be forgotten" pool. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
mogwai
Sparks of Insanity
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:51:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote: And promising to boost CONCORD (which Hilmar recently did via Twitter) while simultaneously nerfing the ability to fight people legitimately in highsec is ludicrously stupid and goes against the very ideal that was Eve.
Why?
Why was it changed?
iirc, the last time CONCORD got a 'decent' boost was after the 'Yulai Incident' when Zombie Inc. tanked them to hell and back. Since then, everything in eve has moved forward apart from CONCORD. If you look at skills, new ships etc etc.... CONCORD is starting to look a little 'outdated' (even though they still pack a punch.)
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Fix Lag
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:51:00 -
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Stella SGP wrote: So you are stupid...
I've seen that post before and how is that a "promise"? Stop acting like a little kid and crying 'you promised' at everything people say.
Get out. In the face of mounds of evidence to the contrary, you continue to blatantly display the ideal attributes of an EVE-Online scrub who spends his time running level 4s and mining ice. I'm not talking about Hilmar promising a damn game feature. I'm talking about him mentioning ever-so-not-very-subtly that they will be adjusting CONCORD mechanics once again in response to Goonswarm's suicide ganking. |
DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:52:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:podding each other. Look! You can see the two brain cells fighting each other!
No podding allowed or necessary.
Again, shows what you know. Nothing.
I assume you enjoy the risk of deploying a battleship blob against a bunch of hulks?
I can assure you that there's more risk in frig vs frig than blob vs Hulk.
So, get your facts straight, post with your main and stop crying. |
Fix Lag
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:55:00 -
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"Blob vs. Hulk..." "But your KB stats don't show any kills" "You're the reason CCP can't communicate"
Oh my god what the hell is wrong with everyone responding to this thread
I should give up now; Einstein was right when he said stupidity was infinite |
ACE McFACE
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:56:00 -
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Even if everyone in RvB only flew frigates that would mean theres a lot of fair fights as its not Domi v Frigate but rather Frigates v Frigates. ZE GOGGLES, ZEY DO NOTHING! (Not wearing them so don't waste your time reading this sig) |
ArmyOfMe
TEDDYBEARS. Excuses.
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:57:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:If I had a dollar for every time someone whined that I'm a forum alt I'd have more money than Hilmar Veigar after the latest subscription numbers came in. not whining at all, just pointing out the irony of one risk adverse player complaining about other people being risk adverse
CCP, for the love of god boost the deimos..... |
Fix Lag
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:57:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Even if everyone in RvB only flew frigates that would mean theres a lot of fair fights as its not Domi v Frigate but rather Frigates v Frigates.
when the hell did this thread become a thread about fair fights in EVE
because those don't exist, you see, and if you think they do then you are playing the wrong game.
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Fix Lag
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:58:00 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote:Fix Lag wrote:If I had a dollar for every time someone whined that I'm a forum alt I'd have more money than Hilmar Veigar after the latest subscription numbers came in. not whining at all, just pointing out the irony of one risk adverse player complaining about other people being risk adverse
I'M NOT A CHARACTER THAT EVER LOGS IN OTHER THAN THE FORUMS BECAUSE I HAVE A CATCHY NAME WHAT ABOUT THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND |
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ArmyOfMe
TEDDYBEARS. Excuses.
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Posted - 2011.10.14 09:01:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:ArmyOfMe wrote:Fix Lag wrote:If I had a dollar for every time someone whined that I'm a forum alt I'd have more money than Hilmar Veigar after the latest subscription numbers came in. not whining at all, just pointing out the irony of one risk adverse player complaining about other people being risk adverse I'M NOT A CHARACTER THAT EVER LOGS IN OTHER THAN THE FORUMS BECAUSE I HAVE A CATCHY NAME WHAT ABOUT THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND CAPS are cool amirite?
I was hoping this would be a battle of wits, but i guess i won on walkover
CCP, for the love of god boost the deimos..... |
Stella SGP
The Kimotoro Initiative
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Posted - 2011.10.14 09:01:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:Stella SGP wrote: So you are stupid...
I've seen that post before and how is that a "promise"? Stop acting like a little kid and crying 'you promised' at everything people say.
Get out. In the face of mounds of evidence to the contrary, you continue to blatantly display the ideal attributes of an EVE-Online scrub who spends his time running level 4s and mining ice. I'm not talking about Hilmar promising a damn game feature. I'm talking about him mentioning ever-so-not-very-subtly that they will be adjusting CONCORD mechanics once again in response to Goonswarm's suicide ganking. Stupid is indeed an understatement in your case.
What evidence? Did you not used the word "promised"? He simply suggested that Concord should be looked into thats all. |
Fix Lag
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Posted - 2011.10.14 09:02:00 -
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No, caps mean you are sufficiently stupid to the point that shouting over the internet has become necessary. |
Im Blue
ZC Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.14 09:02:00 -
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imo ccp just cut back on GM or at least there overtime and this one change allowed them to not investigate and just paste the standard 'sorry for you loss' crap they normally reply with. |
Fix Lag
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Posted - 2011.10.14 09:04:00 -
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Stella SGP wrote:What evidence? Did you not used the word "promised"? He simply suggested that Concord should be looked into thats all.
Oh my god the nightmare never ends |
John Hand
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Posted - 2011.10.14 09:05:00 -
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not bad, seems like war deccing alliances are crying because they can't pew pew gank people anymore.
Go to Low sec there are a lot of noobs out there for you to kill, and hay....some might actually shoot back at your 5 billion isk dead space fitted bhaalgorn, oh nose! |
Fix Lag
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Posted - 2011.10.14 09:10:00 -
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God, please kill EVE. We deserve it. |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.10.14 09:12:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:
So, give us a good explanation of why the rules were arbitrarily changed for the worse on October 10th. Because your credibility, or at least what little is left, is at stake here.
"for the worse" is also arbitrary - in case you hadn't realized.
John Hand wrote:not bad, seems like war deccing alliances are crying because they can't pew pew gank people anymore.
I don't see the big problem either. What's the OP afraid of? The only people benefiting from the new rules are newb and mining corps, those who want to fight will still fight back and won't evade you.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2011.10.14 09:13:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:So, give us a good explanation of why the rules were arbitrarily changed for the worse on October 10th. Because your credibility, or at least what little is left, is at stake here.
Changed for the worse? Do you realise that it is still possible to pad your killboard with hisec fools by suicide ganking them in mission space or pulling aggro tricks in incursions?
This rule simply ensures that GMs are not faced with complex rules of when it's okay or not okay to do certain things in hisec. Note that this rule does not stop you using neutral reppers, neutral bumpers, neutral fleet boosters, neutral tracking links, neutral remote sensor boosters or neutral scouts. So basically, now all is fair in love and war.
I'll side with Ripard Teg on this one. Piebear tears are truly delicious.
And BTW, when CCP announced they were going to "fix" lag, they didn't mean they were taking lag for a trip to the vet. Sorry to disappoint you.
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Fix Lag
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Posted - 2011.10.14 09:14:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:And BTW, when CCP announced they were going to "fix" lag, they didn't mean they were taking lag for a trip to the vet. Sorry to disappoint you.
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