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Nalelmir Ahashion
ROC Academy The ROC
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Posted - 2013.03.10 01:10:00 -
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so played a trial.. subbed for month. so far I'm flying in a nicely destroyer with drones kicking ass in L2 missions.
I'm in nice corp which helps a lot.
did all 12 career hubs
got over 105 mil isk
got a cruiser in storage.
have +3 implant set
have positive standings with all 4 factions
in 45 days training program to benefit from the summer ship skills change.
BUT... during my time I've lost the general direction...
to me so far it seems that I do missions \ pvp \ corp operations in pvp \ groups in order to get isk. Then after I get the isk I'm improving my gear getting better skills and ship in the sole purpose to get into more challenging missions or activities so they will net me even more isk in same time it took me less time. why do I need more isk? for bigger ship so I'll... rinse and repeat.
that was my 2 isk about my general feeling which I got from the game. Technical wise this game is amazing, people wise also. But I lost general direction in what is my goal here? the nature of skill training in real time demands some kind of planning ahead but no matter which direction of approach I think of it's all sum into getting isk so I'll upgrade my capabilities so I'll be able to get more isk in same time.
thoughts? advice? |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1136
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Posted - 2013.03.10 01:12:00 -
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Start killing people.
Seriously, find some people you can kill, make it happen. You'll feel much better afterwards. |
Nalelmir Ahashion
ROC Academy The ROC
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Posted - 2013.03.10 01:45:00 -
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Lol... ok... and after the mayhem and murder what's after that? |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1136
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Posted - 2013.03.10 02:12:00 -
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You'll figure something out. |
Nalelmir Ahashion
ROC Academy The ROC
3
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Posted - 2013.03.10 02:18:00 -
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well that's the problem... I tried some pvp training with my corp but was not really attracted to it as it required a major preparation before I start. then pve is kinda meh after doing same thing over and over without a purpose to aspire in the end. |
J'Poll
The Fiction Factory Tribal Band
1952
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Posted - 2013.03.10 04:18:00 -
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Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:well that's the problem... I tried some pvp training with my corp but was not really attracted to it as it required a major preparation before I start. then pve is kinda meh after doing same thing over and over without a purpose to aspire in the end.
Your goals? Well in EVE you have to set them yourself. Nobody is forcing you to mission for ISK. Nobody is forcing you to upgrade to bigger ships.
I know plenty of people who never went bigger then frigates and also never did a single mission. So those things are all part of your own decisions.
Also keep in mind that there are many different forms of PvP. Just because you didn't like the one you experienced doesn't mean that other forms of PvP suck too.
Go out, try different stuff until you find what you like to do, just keep in mind, nothing and nobody in EVE will / should force you into playing it any way, it's all up to you and your own decisions. |
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
315
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Posted - 2013.03.10 08:50:00 -
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Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:well that's the problem... I tried some pvp training with my corp but was not really attracted to it as it required a major preparation before I start. then pve is kinda meh after doing same thing over and over without a purpose to aspire in the end.
The general goals in Eve are:
Territory: control "physical" space in Eve. Examples would be playing in FW and taking systems to try to control the battle map, or building an alliance space in Sovereignty that you maintain with an industrial apparatus.
Control: similar to the above, but applied to something less concrete. Controlling the market on a specific industry or item in a region isn't uncommon, using manufacturing/research/etc.
Acquisition: some people like shiny things, and like to pile them in one place, like magpies. Maximizing income, getting the best possible mining yield, getting the best on-paper DPS, etc.
Depressurization: Relieve the tension in your life by just blowing things up, and getting them blown up in return. Examples would be low-sec PvP/piracy, RvB, high-sec corp wars, etc. Even taking up the nomadic life in w-space more or less amounts to "Showing them all" so it pretty much falls in this category.
Socialization: Do whatever, hang out and talk to your friends while doing it. The core purpose of corporations. |
Disastro
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
59
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Posted - 2013.03.10 11:33:00 -
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Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:Lol... ok... and after the mayhem and murder what's after that?
For many folks, including myself, the killing and mayhem are the purpose of this game. Not everyone feels that way of course. But many folks in this game do. It is basically a PVP oriented game. Ships are expensive when you begin losing them in combat. So more money is always a good thing.
For someone PVE oriented the game still provides some interesting possibilities in the form of exploration but that is still kind of limited in this game. For the most part there is nothing really interesting to discover other than other PVE opportunities for making money.
In the end many of us continue playing this game for years just for the entertainment of pvp between corps/alliances or just hunting folks down solo. |
Jensaro Koraka
Serenity Prime Kraken.
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Posted - 2013.03.10 11:40:00 -
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Personally, I want to collect the corpse of everyone in Eve some day. "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken |
Nalelmir Ahashion
ROC Academy The ROC
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Posted - 2013.03.10 14:05:00 -
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well I see your point now.
seems my corp which is based in highsec (0.5) area is lacking some of the stuff you were talking about, further checks is needed then! |
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
379
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Posted - 2013.03.10 16:07:00 -
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Good pointers in this topic. The main pitfall is that people rake in ISK, don't spend it on anything meaningfull, and burn out with a huge wallet and being totally bored. Lots of hisec corps have this issue, being essentially just a bunch of people doing their missions and talking about them. Sounds to me like you are past the point that mission content will keep you entertained. Now the game truly begins. Add some risk to your gameplay; if you never lose anything ISK becomes meaningless.
If you and your corp build up a home outside of hisec I will promise you: you will make enemies as well as friends, and the game will become all the more interesting. That is to say, if your corp is interested in such a thing. If your current corp is just about running missions in hisec, and you are bored with that, maybe it's a good idea to look at other corporations and see what's available. |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front New Creation Collective
218
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Posted - 2013.03.10 16:29:00 -
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Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:well that's the problem... I tried some pvp training with my corp but was not really attracted to it as it required a major preparation before I start. then pve is kinda meh after doing same thing over and over without a purpose to aspire in the end.
Somebody seriously led you astray in that PvP training. If they told you that PvP requires major preparation before you start then they don't know what they are talking about. You can PvP on day one.
A lot of people find themselves in your situation because they never really grasp that EVE is a highly competetive PvP game. CCP created some second rate, highly repetitive PVE content sort of as an afterthought, or as a mechanic to introduce wealth into the game for people to fight over, but EVE just isn't worth playing for its PVE. Get out there and murder and steal and you may begin to understand why people get hooked on this game for years and years. Join the Revolutionary Front and liberate New Eden from it's stuff.
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J'Poll
The Fiction Factory Tribal Band
1953
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Posted - 2013.03.10 16:35:00 -
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Haedonism Bot wrote:Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:well that's the problem... I tried some pvp training with my corp but was not really attracted to it as it required a major preparation before I start. then pve is kinda meh after doing same thing over and over without a purpose to aspire in the end. Somebody seriously led you astray in that PvP training. If they told you that PvP requires major preparation before you start then they don't know what they are talking about. You can PvP on day one. A lot of people find themselves in your situation because they never really grasp that EVE is a highly competetive PvP game. CCP created some second rate, highly repetitive PVE content sort of as an afterthought, or as a mechanic to introduce wealth into the game for people to fight over, but EVE just isn't worth playing for its PVE. Get out there and murder and steal and you may begin to understand why people get hooked on this game for years and years.
Wait.
I log in my RvB alt (approx 1 minute of total loading time). I join a fleet (less then 10 seconds). Jump into a a ship (less then 10 seconds). Move to the fleet location (2 minutes tops).
So total prep time: 3,5 minutes tops. |
Nalelmir Ahashion
ROC Academy The ROC
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Posted - 2013.03.10 16:53:00 -
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when I talked about preparation I meant that as a new player on pvp I'll fly frigs and as it happens lose them. now on my last attempt I could only fly amarr frigs and so when I lost mine there was no new amarr frigs around the space where I was so instead I've trained skills in all racial frigs to solve this problem.
next is to actually have an hub where I store some fitted frigs (3-5) ready for use and set my clone there in case I'm podded. so the point will be to be ready to jump back out there if I lose my ship cause other wise (what happened to me) I lost my ship and couldn't fly anything in nearby space station.
I think I'll take my time for the 40 days training plan I set on motion then I'll head out to the low sec areas I think that in my alliance there is a corp in nullsec.
other then that, let's say I'm going to point the middle finger to gallente\minmattar and going for factional warfare and do all of the security agent missions vs those two as well only traveling through amarr and caldari space. In theory shouldn't be a problem as long as I avoid the gallente\minmattar space? and if I happen to stumble upon an npc police force of those faction while having low standings do I get few seconds to run the hell out or on some lower security areas I get a chance to hurt them a bit before I run away? |
Velicitia
Open Designs
1195
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Posted - 2013.03.10 16:58:00 -
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did you ask for the frig in corp? corps usually have ship programs... |
Nalelmir Ahashion
ROC Academy The ROC
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Posted - 2013.03.10 17:06:00 -
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actually the guy that pop'd me gave me free maller earlier so I didn't want to be rude. problem was that all the frig in that section of space I couldn't fly but problem solved! I can fly all ships in the game up to the rank of destroyers. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
1196
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Posted - 2013.03.10 17:16:00 -
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bonus :)
seriously though, corp should cover frigs (especially for rookies that they know are gonna 'splode on an op) |
Friggz
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
4
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Posted - 2013.03.10 17:32:00 -
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All games are based around having fun. The nature of the sandox is that only you can decide what the end game is and where you find the game to be fun. I decided I wanted to fly Stealth Bombers and went out and found a corp to teach me to do that.
It sounds like you aren't enjoying pvp itself though. It may be the type of pvp or the ships you are flying, or maybe it's just not your cup of tea.
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/eve-wtd.jpg is a good visual representation of the various things you can do in EvE. Maybe try something new? You are at a great place right now, you've picked up the basics and know how to make some isk, so you can afford some humble investment into a new venture. You have the entire universe to choose from, literally. Re-elect Trebor Daehdoow for a stronger CSM 8. |
Nalelmir Ahashion
ROC Academy The ROC
3
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Posted - 2013.03.10 17:42:00 -
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thank you for the tip.
I think I'll try bit of factional warfare sound interesting... |
Reicine Ceer
Rodents of Unusual Size The Rat Race
176
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Posted - 2013.03.11 01:18:00 -
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FW is brilliant, and introduces good elements of sov-type stuff, pvp and pve.
You might also like to try skilling up for a heavier ship and trying out Incursions - these are high-end pve mission-type things that can net you good isk, but more importantly it gives you a way to sit and chill out with a bunch of random people, and have a good time. I've honestly spent days in Incursion fleets, just having great laughs and meeting interesting people.
...until your Logi cruiser buddy randomly disconnects. But i'll not spoil the surprise on that one ;P
Seriously tho, there's been some great advice in here. Give it a think though - what is it you *want* to do in EVE? Other mmorpgs tend to give you the "themepark" feel, where it tells you what you can do and all that rubbish - EVE Online is closer to "off you go, enjoy!". |
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Nalelmir Ahashion
ROC Academy The ROC
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Posted - 2013.03.11 02:46:00 -
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just upgraded to arbitrator... amazing ship |
Tialano Utrigas
Critical Mass Inc. Nexus Fleet
15
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Posted - 2013.03.11 12:34:00 -
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40 days training time for the patch? Sounds like your needlessly training Destroyer 5 and Battlecruiser 5 when you dont really need it.
Concentrate your training on getting the ships and support skills to fly something you enjoy. Not because someone has said: "YOU MUST TRAIN BC5 AND DESSIE5 BEFORE THE PATCH!"
They dont know what they're talking about and are misleading you.
Of course, if you're not doing that, then ignore everything i've just said. |
Xscape
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.03.11 12:53:00 -
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I dont see how one can rate it by isk tbh since that is the easiest to get in eve with plex in mind.
Personally i buy a plex now and then, go out with a couple of friends and spend it all on pvp, i have so little time playing that i dont want to spend it doing missions or pve for that matter so 1 plex worth of ships lasts me quite awhile with the amount of hours i can play. |
Nalelmir Ahashion
ROC Academy The ROC
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Posted - 2013.03.11 13:22:00 -
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nah I don't do p2w, where is the fun getting magically tons of isk without doing a thing.
At any rate for they guy who asked, to get me my goal I need caldari frigate 4 (1d 8h) and minmattar frigate 4 (1d 8h). then I still need to train gallente\caldar\minmattar cruiser to 3 which will take about 1 day from rank one to rank 3 for each cruiser. already have amarr\gallente frig 4 and amarr cruiser 3. spaceship command IV already trained also dessy on rank 4 and Battlecruiser on rank 1. so now I'm training the frigs, then 3 cruisers to rank 3, I'll then train Battlecruiser to 4 and then destroyer 5 (8 days) then I'll train Battlecruiser to 5 (22 days) in note that I got all other skills and if I miss the patch on BC5 training all sp earned on that skill will split on the new racial ones saving me the time.
I got pretty good support skills and with my new arbi I can afk auto-win L2 missions. using salvage I got lots os isk every mission so not a problem there as well. now I raise my standings with the navy of amarr to get better missions. |
Ronix Aideron
The Ugly Ass Kickers Mech Alliance
74
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Posted - 2013.03.11 14:32:00 -
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Here is some training advice from someone pretty new.
Find a niche and maximize that prior to broadening your skill set. I have found that if you know what you are good at and are effective you will add to your fleet faster. Once you have your niche then broaden out by finding another gap that needs to be filled.
My corp needed more logi pilots. I am not able to bring the juice yet to battles compared to other toons in the corp. I went with logi to fill the gap. Now I am a part of a lot more fleets and getting more exposure to PvP. Now that I am good with logi I am branching out into black ops to help with stealth with the fleet. http://eveboard.com/pilot/Ronix_Aideron |
Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
188
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Posted - 2013.03.11 15:54:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Start killing people.
Seriously, find some people you can kill, make it happen. You'll feel much better afterwards.
Travel to exotic space.
Meet new and culturally diverse people.
Kill them. |
Cyprus Black
The Learning Curve.
699
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Posted - 2013.03.11 16:41:00 -
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Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:Lol... ok... and after the mayhem and murder what's after that? Maybe video games aren't your thing.
Maybe you'll fair better with Ball in a Cup.
Trolling is like art. Anyone can finger paint, but it takes true talent to create a masterpiece. |
J'Poll
The Fiction Factory Tribal Band
1958
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Posted - 2013.03.11 17:10:00 -
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Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:nah I don't do p2w, where is the fun getting magically tons of isk without doing a thing.
At any rate for they guy who asked, to get me my goal I need caldari frigate 4 (1d 8h) and minmattar frigate 4 (1d 8h). then I still need to train gallente\caldar\minmattar cruiser to 3 which will take about 1 day from rank one to rank 3 for each cruiser. already have amarr\gallente frig 4 and amarr cruiser 3. spaceship command IV already trained also dessy on rank 4 and Battlecruiser on rank 1. so now I'm training the frigs, then 3 cruisers to rank 3, I'll then train Battlecruiser to 4 and then destroyer 5 (8 days) then I'll train Battlecruiser to 5 (22 days) in note that I got all other skills and if I miss the patch on BC5 training all sp earned on that skill will split on the new racial ones saving me the time.
I got pretty good support skills and with my new arbi I can afk auto-win L2 missions. using salvage I got lots os isk every mission so not a problem there as well. now I raise my standings with the navy of amarr to get better missions.
1.) Selling a PLEX is NOT p2w. Its just easy fund injection, even if you sell 1000 PLEX you will still loose ships.
2.) Training the dessy and BC skills jusf bdcause you want the free SP with the change is wrong. Who says that in time you really need BC5 or dessy 5. Skill for things you want and that let you do stuff whild having fun instead of the grinding skilling type while having notheing fun to do. |
Nalelmir Ahashion
ROC Academy The ROC
4
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Posted - 2013.03.11 17:32:00 -
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but I have fun things to do... and the heaviest ship I plan to fly is prophecy (BC) other lower rank ships may come in handy while I try my way around pvp so hell why not.
and plex is p2w, why? because if I know I can get for 20 $ 12 battlecruisers (or so) I don't care if I lose them or not... a player which actually gain his isk in game activity is first of all playing the game without shortcuts and secondly will appreciate his ship more and by so doing will be more careful. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1137
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Posted - 2013.03.11 18:56:00 -
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If you're willing to spend money on plex to sell for ISK that's fine. Plenty of people do it, just make sure you make good decisions about how you redeem the plex because once it's in game it's treated like any other item and you can lose it just like anything else. Once you have sold it for ISK make sure you make sensible choices about what you spend it on, don't spend it all pimping out a faction battleship just to get that thing ganked and you to lose all your space dollars.
Also kill some people. Seriously, did you kill anyone yet? Killing people is great. |
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