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MAcheTT3
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Posted - 2005.08.17 02:40:00 -
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Edited by: MAcheTT3 on 17/08/2005 02:50:32
First off, I'm not a Pirate technically... I have to say that coz the Pirate's will tell me I'm not a Pirate, though most people have a different view...
Anyway, I was out tonight looking for a kill, warping through Low Sec systems, seeing what was around and becoming frustrated from losing two Battleships as targets... I jump into another system and scan an Armageddon, with 4 others in system and no station. I dunno if the others saw me or not, but local cleared out apart from this one Armageddon who posted a message in local indicating that she'd spotted me. So I do some more scanning and track her down and a chase ensues with me of course always being one step behind, in a Megathron, which takes a decade to enter warp and runs out of Cap half way through (it was a very big system). After maybe 30min of chasing I finally luck out and warp 3k from her, lock and scramble.
Now, up to this point it's been a blast, as it always is! The thrill of the chase, and the subsequent capture of the prey.
So of course on go the guns, out go the Drones etc and pretty soon she's in hull, where I attempt to disengage the guns for a ransom... Damn lag... So she pops dropping a couple bits and pieces of T2 loot, nothing valuable.
Anyway, on to the point of this thread...
After she was killed, there was no smack talk, in fact she was perfectly nice in local only going as far as to say that the loss of her ship made here sad, which is pretty understandable, and asking for the ISK value back, which I or course didn't oblige, but I came away feeling pretty guilty over it...
I wanted to ask you guys who Pirate, or kill randomly, what your thoughts were on your own experiences... You ever feel guilty after a kill? Ever refunded someone, etc...?
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2005.08.17 03:38:00 -
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I often refund people who are new to the game, and i often feel pritty bad. Somtimes "they shouldn't have been there in the first place" isn't enough of a justification.
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Joshua Keeling
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Posted - 2005.08.17 03:59:00 -
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Ah the ethical and moral implications of piracy of EVE. I know some people who get so torn over these issues that they have a LOT of trouble pirating.
Sometimes people are just too nice to you and it really just rips into you and tears you apart.
I'm more a 150km+ gate killer so when haulers come to the gate i dont hesitate and check how old they are  so sometimes i get a lot of mail of smacktalk and a lot of innocent begging.. lol which sometimes is hard to refuse.. like when people claim you just blew up their 3000 robotics worth 30 million and that was their life svaings so far.
All I can tell them is... don't haul through low security or else invest in a transport ship.
Overall.. I think the majority of pirates struggle with themselves over feeling bad about a kill. Sometimes you are happy about it though.
I can imagine your sadness in killing a girl though.. lol ouch 
Josh
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Jane Vladmir
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Posted - 2005.08.17 04:25:00 -
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Here's one way to deal with it:
If you act like a 14yr old it's always easy.
"LOL I PWN YOU HAULER AND NOW U R CRY& BEG WTF?!"
That pretty much works everytime, people get frustrated, shout names and thus the pitty dies.
You shouldn't need this though, it's not so hard to 'not care'.
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Don ZOLA
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Posted - 2005.08.17 04:34:00 -
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my victims r only pixels for me tbh, only feeling i have when i kill someone can be smile on my face if there r some tech 2 pixels in can :D, i kill ppl for moneh in rl too so i guess im just used to it :P
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DMAN666vic
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Posted - 2005.08.17 05:08:00 -
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If someone is quick and asks for mercy... they get it. If someone wants compensation... they get it (within reason).
It's suprising how many peeps don't ask for these things and just send me the hate mail.
Hate mail = you aint gettin squat! and I did the universe a favour by gankin your pathetic ars!
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Handon Guild
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Posted - 2005.08.17 07:40:00 -
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As Zola says - do not have any conscience. Well, if a poor noob finds himself in 0.0 doing a lvl 1 mission, not being aware of the danger, I often think, "well, what a poor noob". And then I gank him! A pirate has NO conscience whatsoever about who he kills - after a kill, there should only be satisfaction because of the kill, the excitement of going to look in the container, and the adrenaline rush after the fight - nuff said
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2005.08.17 08:18:00 -
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Not guilty!!! If you read the EVE-description on the selling box you will find out that CCP annouces EVE as "pirate game". The whole desription is about pirating, combat and dominating the galaxy. So why feel guilty??? If a pure industrial player didnt read the fncking manual and description of the game - that¦s not my fault!
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Velsharoon
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Posted - 2005.08.17 09:40:00 -
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I have given isk back to nubs, of If I waste someone with like all their lifes possesions (or so they claim) I tend to give some of it back if they have been decent to deal with. I figure most pirates dont care etc if someone is stupid to fly about in a hauler through unsecure but I realise this is a game and while sitting popping peoples stuff is fun for me recieving it aint so good, be decent and get some (im not a charity :P) back
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MAcheTT3
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Posted - 2005.08.17 12:39:00 -
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95% of the time, I don't feel the slightest bit guilty TBH, it's just that odd occasion that gets me, although I have to say, I've never felt guilty enough to give anything back...
Most of the time, the target doesn't even deserve any feelings of guilt, n00b or not... And I do occasionally target n00bs, but they get the special treatment.
I'll give an example: Warping around Low Sec and scan a Gallente Cruiser flown by a pilot ~2 months old. I warp to his belt in my Enyo and he's ratting, so I lock him.
At this point, I'd like it noted that I did not have a warp scrambler.
So, there I am, sat there, orbiting him, locked and he locked me. I guess he hasn't noticed the guy with the yellow bar and 'pirate' icon on his overview as he's too busy killing rats, so I wait for him to finish them off, which he does. He then precedes to collect all the cans, so I think 'screw this' and start attacking... He attacks back, doing no damage of course and it's clear he can't tank me.
Just to remind you, he's not scrambled and free to leave at any time... He doesn't, so he pops.
The moral of the story? I don't feel bad about popping n00bs specifically, if their too stupid to realise their in grave danger, which they have every chance to escape from... 
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emptydude
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Posted - 2005.08.17 12:51:00 -
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every ship is a flying kill mail
every pod is a flying ransom
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Koda
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Posted - 2005.08.17 13:58:00 -
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Edited by: Koda on 17/08/2005 13:58:31
I admit to refunding a victim once or twice.
I've found the best way to avoid any guilt is once you've located the target, get in there and kill/ransom him without second thoughts.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.08.17 14:03:00 -
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I'd rather ransom the ship, but with the sentries that isn't an option.
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Antoinette Civari
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Posted - 2005.08.17 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: Antoinette Civari on 17/08/2005 14:20:19
 Originally by: Joshua Keeling
Sometimes people are just too nice to you and it really just rips into you and tears you apart.
Yep, it happens, not very often though. I had a nice chat with a couple of victims, makes me a bit sad when they turn out to be actually nice people. I always hope they learned something from getting killed ;)
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Andicuri Vas
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Posted - 2005.08.17 14:27:00 -
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Nice post.
As a non-pirate, I must say that it is nice to know that behind some of my enemies that there are (Some  ) real human beings.
On the other hand, I look at pirates as the real teachers in EVE. It is a harsh game and every single gank that I've recieved (There's been alot!) has taught me at least one thing about playing it. By nature, people want easy, especially when paying to play a game, but mercy is a crappy teacher.
My first instinct is to punch a hole in my monitor, until I realize that it was generally, my mistake for being there, having a crappy set-up, lack of skills,not paying attention or just plain laziness. I would never think of asking for my stuff back. You won it fair and square, aaaand gave me some intel on how to come back and take your stuff next time 
One thing though: Would it be so hard to shoot a "gf" back at the guy you just ganked if he gives it to you first? We could all do with less insults added to injury. RL is harsh enough.
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have2laugh
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Posted - 2005.08.17 15:37:00 -
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heh if its a new(ish) player(s) that Ive just ganked I generally try to give them a few pointers on how to make sure that they dont get ganked in the future. Even ended up spending an entire day talking an entire industrial corp through fittings and tactics so that they could deal with a PvP corp that had decided to war dec them to claim weekly payments. for the record the industrial corp wtf pwnd 2 ravens and a cerberus that day, the war ended soon after.
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MAcheTT3
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Posted - 2005.08.17 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: have2laugh
heh if its a new(ish) player(s) that Ive just ganked I generally try to give them a few pointers on how to make sure that they dont get ganked in the future. Even ended up spending an entire day talking an entire industrial corp through fittings and tactics so that they could deal with a PvP corp that had decided to war dec them to claim weekly payments. for the record the industrial corp wtf pwnd 2 ravens and a cerberus that day, the war ended soon after.
So now this perfectly harmless, easy, industrial war target knows how to fight... Congratu-fricking-lations!!! 
Just kidding, I know what you mean and have done the same thing myself on a number of occasions, when I'm feeling in a good mood, even going so far as to send some of them my own, custom made skill training schedule... See, I'm just a big softy...
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one in EVE with some sort of dodgy conscience though...
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Marlee
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Posted - 2005.08.17 16:23:00 -
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in my opinion, it all depends on the reaction of said target. If they are cool about it, and you get chatting to them and find out they are nice people, it does make me feel quite sad and guilty. But if they start smack talking, hate mail etc. then i dont feel a shred of pity
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evillives
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Posted - 2005.08.17 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: have2laugh
heh if its a new(ish) player(s) that Ive just ganked I generally try to give them a few pointers on how to make sure that they dont get ganked in the future. Even ended up spending an entire day talking an entire industrial corp through fittings and tactics so that they could deal with a PvP corp that had decided to war dec them to claim weekly payments. for the record the industrial corp wtf pwnd 2 ravens and a cerberus that day, the war ended soon after.
ive done pretty much the same thing when i nail someone and they are obviously 'teh sux' though if they are afk they jsut deserve it =)
obviously posting this with an alt since im taking a small vacation from pirating and joined a buds industrial corp ;)
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2005.08.17 19:36:00 -
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the people who i usually kill dont care, well that is untill i went back to empire space the other night. Infact the only person to ***** about loosing a ship in 0.0 is that idiot from warmongers Jane.
I aint hunted in empire for over a yr and the attitude towards dying is so different when compared to players in 0.0......oh well griefing 4tw
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Kinsy
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Posted - 2005.08.18 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jane Vladmir
Here's one way to deal with it:
If you act like a 14yr old it's always easy.
"LOL I PWN YOU HAULER AND NOW U R CRY& BEG WTF?!"
That pretty much works everytime, people get frustrated, shout names and thus the pitty dies.
You shouldn't need this though, it's not so hard to 'not care'.
I dunno, you've been alright with me, no whining and gf's all round. Although I'm sorry about our relationship. Perhaps a ransom would help?
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.08.18 04:16:00 -
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I never ever say anything in local unless I have been previously smacktalked by the said person/corp/alliance.
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Handon Guild
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Posted - 2005.08.18 08:09:00 -
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I really don't get you guys 
WHY should anyone feel sad for ganking people, and WHY should I ever reimburse anything! The funny thing about being a pvp'er, is to kill people, to make money on their loot and maybe getting some good stats on the corp's kill-statistics. Now, one of the funny things about being a carebear is the thrill and excitement of going though low-sec systems. But they know the risk, and if they are not prepared to loose their precious cargo, I say booohooo - grow up. It's just a game, nothing else. Conscience belong in real life, not in an online game! Nuff said!
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2005.08.18 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Handon Guild
I really don't get you guys
WHY should anyone feel sad for ganking people, and WHY should I ever reimburse anything! The funny thing about being a pvp'er, is to kill people, to make money on their loot and maybe getting some good stats on the corp's kill-statistics. Now, one of the funny things about being a carebear is the thrill and excitement of going though low-sec systems. But they know the risk, and if they are not prepared to loose their precious cargo, I say booohooo - grow up. It's just a game, nothing else. Conscience belong in real life, not in an online game! Nuff said!
I reimburse now and then because i don't want to drive people away from the game. If they leave the game, less targets.
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Kaaii
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Posted - 2005.08.18 11:44:00 -
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I only kill pirates, so no, i never reimburse any of them
"..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, then stand with One thousand sheep.."
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Snaieke
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Posted - 2005.08.18 12:25:00 -
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The only victims I would refund would be the new players who were just unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. But I will only refund them if they are civil about the whole thing and dont break down into smacktalk or crap like that. So generally I rarely refund 
However I generally try to avoid refunding at all, becaue I see it like this, do producers and manufacturers every refun people when they buy their ships and they get blown up, for damaged, or just because the buyer was friendly. No. Piracy is a trade, and i will not lose money form my trade just becaue it is conducted at gunpoint, simple
Thats my 2 isk
My names Blind Lemon Jefferson, 'nd I 'dun plucked out muh eyes fuh Jesus
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StOrM ViPeR
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Posted - 2005.08.18 14:03:00 -
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I too have often felt guilty About my devious ways, I too have re-imbursed many a person. I too have suffered for my Badness, I havn't seen Yulai in 6 months.
But Fear not ! My Sec status is now -2.3 very soon I will be back in Yulai Buying stuff for my next bout of badness.
Oh and for the record, Someone who camps out of sentry gun range and kills from that range is not a pirate, They're just some one too afraid to engage in real combat.
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Joshua Keeling
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Posted - 2005.08.18 14:37:00 -
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How unenlightened you are 
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2005.08.18 16:00:00 -
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Well to be honest I don't have any guilt killing my targets as they are pirates and are fair game, to be honest they generally are the best to chat with afterwards as to them pvp meanes the same as you. Although I have had a chuckle at jumping into a camp with slightly higher numbers being called unfair.
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Jet Collins
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Posted - 2005.08.18 16:45:00 -
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I know of an instance where I was shot down buy a pirate hualing. I knew I wouldn't make it. So I yelled out in local "Please Stop"
Currently I was hauling goods that were not mine but my corps.
I was watching local this was the only guy is system and did not look that threatning, however he was. Anyway he poped my ship. Not much was lost to the distruction of the ship. Mainly a local hull CE but I wasn't conserend about that since it was mine I was relived to see the Corps goods made it and were in a cc I jsut had to act fast to try and get it. So first off I jump to a station get in a rok ship and start collecting the loot cans. NOt sure if the guy was trying or not but he was in a Muninn tanking the sentrues. Anyway I manage to get all my loot but was going to take forever to get the Crop goods which was alot of M3. So I jump a couple systems away and get my Dom So I can atleast defend myself agaist the PKer and get more Loot.
Get back in system and start this process of getting my loot. Looks like the PKer now has a freind in a frig also picking at my corps loot so I'm moveing the stuff as quick at a can so I can get as much as I can. After a couple drop off the PKer comes over local "Looking for your stuff you wont get it now its spread out all over space"
Now thats just mean. Talk about a guy with no heart. And I never even said anything really mean to the guy. Ya after I said please stop and he still shot me he said sorry about the local and I think I said something like I could give a S**T about the local I'm hauling stuff for my corp and may have had an AS*H*** in there.
Any sorry for such a long post.
But no not everyone feels sorry when they blow someone up. I just glad this guy got nothing out of me, he was jsut waisting ammo I guess. At the time I would have taken a ransom. |
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