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Lenier Chenal
Anomalous Existence Existential Anxiety
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Posted - 2013.03.12 15:29:00 -
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At one point, I helped a friend run a new player corp that turned into a new player corp focused on exploration. I've considered doing something like this again, however I am a bit behind on the exploration changes. I understand the isk making boon that static 1/10s were to new players - hell, as a WH site runner, I would even do them when I was stuck in HS/busy with something else. The isk was that good.
What is a new player to do now? Scanning down those sites, the 1 and 2/10s, just isn't worth it. They might as well mine or do missions. Is it better for them to train into a 3/10 or 4/10 capable ship and do those? |
Fret Thiesant
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.12 15:39:00 -
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3/10 are easy also and can at times pay well. (Gl finding one thru the tengu horde) |
Lenier Chenal
Anomalous Existence Existential Anxiety
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Posted - 2013.03.12 15:40:00 -
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Fret Thiesant wrote:3/10 are easy also and can at times pay well. (Gl finding one thru the tengu horde)
I've not done them in almost a year, are they really that contested in high sec? |
Zircon Dasher
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Posted - 2013.03.12 15:45:00 -
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Lenier Chenal wrote: Scanning down those sites, the 1 and 2/10s, just isn't worth it.
False.
<3 these types of whine threads though. +1 Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'. |
Fret Thiesant
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.12 15:47:00 -
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Yeah they are.
Personlly i just see them as a bonus and hope for escalations from sigs.
That's really hit or miss but on the plus side it does make each playing session feel unique as opposed to grinding missions.
If you're low sp like me level 2's suck for isk running anyway. |
Lenier Chenal
Anomalous Existence Existential Anxiety
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Posted - 2013.03.12 16:03:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:Lenier Chenal wrote: Scanning down those sites, the 1 and 2/10s, just isn't worth it. False. <3 these types of whine threads though. +1
I'm not whining, I've not even bothered to scan any down. I don't need to. I only asked the question. How is it worth it to a new player to spend that kind of time scanning down a site, then trying to run it? I'm not talking several months of experience - I'm talking about players that are less than a month old. They simply won't have the experience or SP to scan things efficiently. They aren't like you and me, who probably can scan down an entire constellation in under an hour. It might take them hours just to do one system.
At a month or two though, that changes. Perhaps it is worth it to someone with their scan skills at 4, and some experience under their belt. I don't know - thus this thread. |
Orlacc
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Posted - 2013.03.12 17:11:00 -
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Fact is it seems every new player wants to be a rich explorer. As a result, high-sec is clogged with risk-averse site seekers who end up complaining there are no sites. "Measure Twice, Cut Once." |
Vorin Roak
Bovinauts
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Posted - 2013.03.12 17:26:00 -
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My advice is train these before you bother to start exploring:
Astrometrics I Astrometrics II Astrometrics III Astrometric Acquisition I Astrometric Acquisition II Astrometric Acquisition III Astrometrics IV Astrometric Pinpointing I Astrometric Pinpointing II Astrometric Pinpointing III Astrometric Rangefinding I Astrometric Rangefinding II Astrometric Rangefinding III Astrometric Rangefinding IV Electronics Upgrades I Electronics Upgrades II Electronics Upgrades III Hacking I Hacking II Hacking III
Estimated Total time: about 14 days
That will allow you to scan all sites in highsec and hack radar sites.
Either before or after this, work on your ship progression. That, of course, will depend on personal preference. I'd probably train Caldari with a Drake in mind with its associated missile skills. Once you can fly a Drake fairly well, you will be able to run DED 4s, which is are the most lucrative highsec site. Once you can fly a Drake well you will want to train Astrometrics to V for the expanded probe launcher. Then start on Cal Cruisers V and aim for a Tengu. Once you have the Tengu, please keep some sites for me, or go covert and have fun in lowsec.
I like all-in-one ships, but consider training Covert Ops for a scout ship as well. |
Lenier Chenal
Anomalous Existence Existential Anxiety
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Posted - 2013.03.12 17:53:00 -
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Vorin Roak wrote:My advice is train these before you bother to start exploring:
*snip*.
This is a good post, thanks man. WIll be very useful for any new players. Drake can handle 4/10s with good skills right?
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Zircon Dasher
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Posted - 2013.03.12 18:44:00 -
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Lenier Chenal wrote:Zircon Dasher wrote:Lenier Chenal wrote: Scanning down those sites, the 1 and 2/10s, just isn't worth it. False. <3 these types of whine threads though. +1 I'm not whining, I've not even bothered to scan any down. I don't need to. I only asked the question. How is it worth it to a new player to spend that kind of time scanning down a site, then trying to run it? I'm not talking several months of experience - I'm talking about players that are less than a month old. They simply won't have the experience or SP to scan things efficiently. They aren't like you and me, who probably can scan down an entire constellation in under an hour. It might take them hours just to do one system. At a month or two though, that changes. Perhaps it is worth it to someone with their scan skills at 4, and some experience under their belt. I don't know - thus this thread.
One the off chance that this was not a stealth "nerf 4/10's" or "bring back static 2/10!" thread:
Since you reference doing 4/10's instead, then they need the scanning skills + BC skills. Unless something changed in the past few days, scanning skills + BC skills took more time and SP than scanning skills + frig/destroyer skills. So the "think of the newbs!" argument falls a little flat.
In regards to them doing missions (which would be lvl 1 or lvl 2 for most sub- 1mo new players): A gistii-b shield booster is 100mil. Even if it took them 20 hours to aquire one, it would still be much better in terms of ISK than missions at that level. Moreover, they can fill in with other sites during the scanning process so the income is pushed even higher. Skills at III are sufficient for scanning and require only a few days training. The player skills may take longer, but that would be the case with 4/10's as well.
Not to mention that running a low/med skill drake for 4/10's will be less profitable since the competition for sites is much higher. Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'. |
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Lenier Chenal
Anomalous Existence Existential Anxiety
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Posted - 2013.03.12 20:47:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:Lenier Chenal wrote:Zircon Dasher wrote:Lenier Chenal wrote: Scanning down those sites, the 1 and 2/10s, just isn't worth it. False. <3 these types of whine threads though. +1 I'm not whining, I've not even bothered to scan any down. I don't need to. I only asked the question. How is it worth it to a new player to spend that kind of time scanning down a site, then trying to run it? I'm not talking several months of experience - I'm talking about players that are less than a month old. They simply won't have the experience or SP to scan things efficiently. They aren't like you and me, who probably can scan down an entire constellation in under an hour. It might take them hours just to do one system. At a month or two though, that changes. Perhaps it is worth it to someone with their scan skills at 4, and some experience under their belt. I don't know - thus this thread. One the off chance that this was not a stealth "nerf 4/10's" or "bring back static 2/10!" thread: Since you reference doing 4/10's instead, then they need the scanning skills + BC skills. Unless something changed in the past few days, scanning skills + BC skills took more time and SP than scanning skills + frig/destroyer skills. So the "think of the newbs!" argument falls a little flat. In regards to them doing missions (which would be lvl 1 or lvl 2 for most sub- 1mo new players): A gistii-b shield booster is 100mil. Even if it took them 20 hours to aquire one, it would still be much better in terms of ISK than missions at that level. Moreover, they can fill in with other sites during the scanning process so the income is pushed even higher. Skills at III are sufficient for scanning and require only a few days training. The player skills may take longer, but that would be the case with 4/10's as well. Not to mention that running a low/med skill drake for 4/10's will be less profitable since the competition for sites is much higher.
Very great points, this is what I wanted to know. I never really did exploration, I'm a WH guy. I don't care as far as I want new players to get into it in their first 1-2 months, then I'll take them into WH space.
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