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Zeta Vulcana
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.19 20:39:00 -
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Mikaila Penshar wrote:Zeta Vulcana wrote:
This "TOON"
let's talk about this toon, shall we? Employment History: Pator Tech School [PTS] from 2013.02.15 18:53 to this day sooooo- it begs the question....who's alt ARE you really o.O .....hhhhhmmm??????
Take a guess but focus on idea of changing name. Take it deep! :) |
Mikaila Penshar
Take it Deep
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Posted - 2013.03.19 20:49:00 -
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Take it Deep is a great name - so incredible that we even have Tshirts that we didn't make ... seriously, some company sells these things and has no connection to us at all
T Shirt image front and back
andd the website? tideep.com
it's not just vulgar anymore |
Zeta Vulcana
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.19 20:53:00 -
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Mikaila Penshar wrote:Obviously there are reasons why people want to change their character's name... but the idea that it should be permitted for any of those reasons is flawed, by virtue of the simple fact that this is EVE, and anything that can be done to underhandedly 'win' WILL be done.
I don't believe this debate has any further merit. Changing a character's name is not allowed because of the foreseeable chaos that would ensue, and we all know it. Simple as that.
OP is new enough to start over with a different name if he/she wants to and would only lose a month's training. Topic should be closed.
Thank you for your opinion. Obviously change name functionality will not target 1-2 month old players.
I understand that changing name will create some "interesting" situations but from here to chaos I believe we jump too far.
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Zeta Vulcana
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.19 20:54:00 -
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Mikaila Penshar wrote:Take it Deep is a great name - so incredible that we even have Tshirts that we didn't make ... seriously, some company sells these things and has no connection to us at all T Shirt image front and backandd the website? tideep.comit's not just vulgar anymore
Off topic - I used it because I liked it and sounded interesting in the phrase, not in vulgar sense.
Sorry if offended. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2013.03.19 21:38:00 -
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Zeta Vulcana wrote:Mag's wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:Zeta Vulcana wrote:
Now start commenting ;)
You really don't want that to happen. This gets brought up quite a bit. CCP believes that the character's name is part of the online reputation, and that changing it would diminish the power of building (or destroying) that reputation, so they aren't likely to change it. About half the player agrees with CCP. Roughly half does not. Both sides are about to land on this thread and troll you into a semi-conscious state of partial dementia. You have been warned. You know what got me the most? TOON. This "TOON" is getting you a lot considering number of answers. :P Just admit - you like the idea :) Didn't quite understand that tbh. And no, I don't like it. Malcanis for CSM 8. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Tweaks Huren
Sturmgrenadier Inc
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Posted - 2013.03.19 23:48:00 -
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Mikaila Penshar wrote:Obviously there are reasons why people want to change their character's name... but the idea that it should be permitted for any of those reasons is flawed, by virtue of the simple fact that this is EVE, and anything that can be done to underhandedly 'win' WILL be done.
I don't believe this debate has any further merit. Changing a character's name is not allowed because of the foreseeable chaos that would ensue, and we all know it. Simple as that.
OP is new enough to start over with a different name if he/she wants to and would only lose a month's training. Topic should be closed. Just because you think there is no more arguments to debate doesn't mean there aren't. I personally don't see any of the potential chaos you're talking about. I think everyone is blowing this way out of proportion and seem to stop only at the "I want to change my name" part without reading how the system could work if that would be allowed.
I repeat some of the suggestions, yet again, and please pay attention to each and think about it carefully this time:
- SUGGESTION: Character name changes would only be allowed maybe once or twice in the life of a character
- SUGGESTION: Character name changes would only be allowed once every year (up to the maximum number of renames possible in the life of the character)
- SUGGESTION: It would cost at least a PLEX or two
- SUGGESTION: Only characters older than a certain age (i.e. over a year old, or more) would be eligible
- FACT: All references to a character are done via the character ID (EVE uses a relational database), meaning only the label of the character (display name) would change, not its API key, not its character ID, meaning all relationships would be maintained (contacts, standings, employment history, etc...)
- SUGGESTION: Previous names would be listed in the Character Sheet, either on a new tab in the Bio, or below the character's name in the Character sheet/info panel, and possibly even in a bracket
There were more suggestions in the thread but I think these are the ones that came back the most from other supporters. That said, please stop stalling on the so called "foundation" that everything in EVE has consequences and that that's just how it is. Although it's true for choices a character has to make in game in terms of who you fight for/with and what skills you decide to train and such, it doesn't have to be everything, especially considering the age of the game and the age of some of the characters.
Nothing is written in stone when it comes to EVE, and this wouldn't be changing any of the core mechanic of the game. None of the counter-arguments that have been presented so far have merit in my eyes. Even though some are valid concerns, I don't believe the impact would be nearly as big as some of you may think.
Oh and by the way, I don't want to change my character's name, I'm just supporting this idea because I've heard more than once from someone else they wish they could change their name for various reasons, and none of them were about their reputation. |
Mikaila Penshar
Take it Deep
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Posted - 2013.03.20 00:15:00 -
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says the 2 month old guy ^
get over yourselves. this would only be abused, and nobody wants all that checking around nonsense.
It's a resounding no from me
NO |
Tweaks Huren
Sturmgrenadier Inc
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Posted - 2013.03.20 00:29:00 -
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Mikaila Penshar wrote:says the 2 month old guy ^
get over yourselves. this would only be abused, and nobody wants all that checking around nonsense.
It's a resounding no from me
NO Your mama never told you not to judge a book by its cover? I've played several years before and even was in the open beta as another character (Ehxo). This is my 6th account since 2003. I've stopped playing and came back several times, and did a lot of API stuff and programming using the data dumps back then.
Previous characters (all separate accounts):
Ehxo, Drano, Kaylan Jahlar/Keara Jahlar, Marek Jahlar
I currently have this one as well as another one which is active, spread over 2 accounts. I came back this year after the Retribution 1.0 expansion. I have sold the other accounts a long time ago.
Also, given the suggestions presented (limitations), please explain to me how someone would abuse this. It's easy to hammer an idea down with a no saying it would be abused without giving examples of "how" exactly it would be. If we(other supporters) forgot to include something in the suggested limitations, then by all means clarify. |
Mikaila Penshar
Take it Deep
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Posted - 2013.03.20 01:56:00 -
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i think "NO" is sufficient, coupled with all of your vast experience you don't need any reasons... you ARE the reason |
Tweaks Huren
Sturmgrenadier Inc
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Posted - 2013.03.20 05:14:00 -
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Mikaila Penshar wrote:i think "NO" is sufficient, coupled with all of your vast experience you don't need any reasons... you ARE the reason I may not have "vast" experience like 10 years old vets with 90mil skill points, but I am no newbie either (even if this character is new). I don't think I deserve any less of a chance to suggest features and express my opinion. I do however have an IT and programming background and know enough about the EVE database structure for having messed with its dumps more than once to know that this change is easily doable without the impact most of you Nay-sayers seem to fear.
I'm not the one with the condescending elitist "know it all" attitude though... but whatever, we can agree to disagree, no need to start flame wars. I'm just saying that just saying NO is not enough if you don't explain why and present constructive arguments to back your statement.
Now please resume constructive feedback... this is not even my thread, I'm just interested in the suggestion and support it. |
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StoneCold
House of Sparrows
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Posted - 2013.03.20 07:59:00 -
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The displayed name in local would change, no? Thats NO good! Some of us got "enemies" and "friends" but do not want a messed up buddy-list. Also EvE is all about consequences.
In your case: just petition your name if you want your name changed. Huren means in germany someone (plural) who will sell physical love education.
Best read to the music of "alarm-a-lama" (or obviously "old mc donald"): Here-¦s a NO There-¦s a NO Everywhere-¦s a NO-NO-NO
EDIT: I bolded the important parts. Disclaimer: All depicted violent acts relate only (and exclusively) on ingame events. I support Psychotic Monk for CSM8 |
Tweaks Huren
Sturmgrenadier Inc
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Posted - 2013.03.20 19:15:00 -
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StoneCold wrote:The displayed name in local would change, no? Thats NO good! Some of us got "enemies" and "friends" but do not want a messed up buddy-list. Also EvE is all about consequences.
In your case: just petition your name if you want your name changed. Huren means in germany someone (plural) who will sell physical love education.
Best read to the music of "alarm-a-lama" (or obviously "old mc donald"): Here-¦s a NO There-¦s a NO Everywhere-¦s a NO-NO-NO
EDIT: I bolded the important parts.
Why would your buddy-list be messed up? Whoever was in it will stay in it, but the character who changed his name will show the new name instead. BIG DEAL!? Once you know who it is, it will stay like this for at least another year or forever depending if the player used all of the allowed renames in the life of his character (I've suggested a max of 2).
You also seem to think that everybody will be changing their names at once... This won't happen. Most people will keep their names, so chances are, your precious buddy-list will stay the same anyway.
To compare what you're saying with real life, it's as if you didn't want anyone to be allowed to change their phone number because then you wouldn't be able to tell if it's someone you know or not when they call you...
As for consequences, I don't consider a simple name as a consequence. Actions have consequences, not naming a ship or naming a character. If what you say is really what CCP believes, then why are we even able to change ship names once we've set them?
And I already said I didn't want to change my name... I don't care what it means in German (and by the way it comes from the name generator of he character generation wizard). I like how it sounds and that's not why I'm supporting this suggestion, I just think it should be allowed with proper restrictions and cost. |
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.20 19:16:00 -
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my name sucks let me change it. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec. |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
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Posted - 2013.03.20 19:21:00 -
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Tweaks Huren wrote:Mag's wrote:- You can petition, as it's not a name change merely a change of case.
- Same as 1.
- Time to grow up and get over it.
- Consequences. But style comes around, like a wheel.
- People choose zero, when the original name is taken. But if you were after leet, then consequences.
- You wouldn't, that was a ridiculous argument.
- So? Most have lost pets and life goes on.
- We can see you're not original. Consequences.
- We can see you are original. Although why this is a bad thing, is rather baffling.
- Petition it. If it's a bad thing, they will allow a change.
Next. Omnathious Deninard wrote:Tweaks Huren wrote: You named your character after your ex girlfriend and everytime you see it it reminds you of her and you cry, but the character's too valuable to just convert it into biomass
And you probably lost your girlfriend do to eve anyway, leaves you with two choices. Grow up, press on and continue to play eve. Quit playing eve, get a new girlfriend and learn to enjoy real life over a game. With the latter it won't matter if you biomass the character. I guess my sarcasm wasn't obvious enough... LOL! Come on guys, you really thought I was serious there? With some of the stuff that comes up on these forums, yes. Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |
Tweaks Huren
Sturmgrenadier Inc
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Posted - 2013.03.20 19:24:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:With some of the stuff that comes up on these forums, yes.
I thought the dead dog and Hackers reference was a sure giveaway, but I guess not lol!
That said, there are still some valid (and serious) reasons to support this request in my eyes... |
Mikaila Penshar
Take it Deep
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Posted - 2013.03.20 19:57:00 -
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Tweaks Huren wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:With some of the stuff that comes up on these forums, yes. I thought the dead dog and Hackers reference was a sure giveaway, but I guess not lol! That said, there are still some valid (and serious) reasons to support this request in my eyes...
i'm calling bullsh!t on this- there's only one valid reason to change a name, you don't like it.
Any suggestion that there are many valid reasons to change a name is garbage, and you know it. The problem is not that wanting to change a name is unsupportable, nor that there are consequences really (there should be and i'm just a stickler for having to lay in the bed you make)- the real reason is that it will be misused and abused.
Now since we all MUST be able to agree on both of those points, not liking a name is the only real reason to change it, and being able to change a name will be misused- we can all just go back to having the names we have and drop this stupid thread already. |
Tweaks Huren
Sturmgrenadier Inc
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Posted - 2013.03.20 20:07:00 -
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Mikaila Penshar wrote:Tweaks Huren wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:With some of the stuff that comes up on these forums, yes. I thought the dead dog and Hackers reference was a sure giveaway, but I guess not lol! That said, there are still some valid (and serious) reasons to support this request in my eyes... i'm calling bullsh!t on this- there's only one valid reason to change a name, you don't like it. Any suggestion that there are many valid reasons to change a name is garbage, and you know it. The problem is not that wanting to change a name is unsupportable, nor that there are consequences really (there should be and i'm just a stickler for having to lay in the bed you make)- the real reason is that it will be misused and abused. Now since we all MUST be able to agree on both of those points, not liking a name is the only real reason to change it, and being able to change a name will be misused- we can all just go back to having the names we have and drop this stupid thread already. Wow, you're quite full of yourself aren't you? /ignored |
Mikaila Penshar
Take it Deep
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Posted - 2013.03.20 20:14:00 -
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quoting is hardly ignoring there sugarbritches... and my style of writing is consistent because my ::awesome:: is great
However, since you must be coddled to little fella, awwww- i'm so sorry to have stated fact in a straightforward sort of a way that runs counter to your belief of this subject in particular.
The answer is still NO
but you're more than welcome to continue to attempt to sway me with your sarcasm and vast experience. |
Mikaila Penshar
Take it Deep
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Posted - 2013.03.20 21:33:00 -
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i said bullhockey NOT horse hockey
and I'll thank you to remember that sir |
Teinyhr
A Club for Reputable Gentlemen
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:40:00 -
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I'm pretty certain this would be in the game already if CCP weren't worried what kind of tantrum the playerbase would throw this time and how many people would actually quit. |
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Zeta Vulcana
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:49:00 -
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Mikaila Penshar wrote:
Any suggestion that there are many valid reasons to change a name is garbage, and you know it. The problem is not that wanting to change a name is unsupportable, nor that there are consequences really (there should be and i'm just a stickler for having to lay in the bed you make)- the real reason is that it will be misused and abused.
-- ISD Cura Ursus[/i]
how, if I may ask? |
Zeta Vulcana
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:51:00 -
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Teinyhr wrote:I'm pretty certain this would be in the game already if CCP weren't worried what kind of tantrum the playerbase would throw this time and how many people would actually quit.
I tend to agree with this, it's not easy to believe that in 10 years no one had this idea.
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Tweaks Huren
Sturmgrenadier Inc
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:55:00 -
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Zeta Vulcana wrote:Mikaila Penshar wrote:
Any suggestion that there are many valid reasons to change a name is garbage, and you know it. The problem is not that wanting to change a name is unsupportable, nor that there are consequences really (there should be and i'm just a stickler for having to lay in the bed you make)- the real reason is that it will be misused and abused.
-- ISD Cura Ursus[/i]
how, if I may ask? You should remove ISD Cura' s sig in that quote cause he didn't post this.
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Kathern Aurilen
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Posted - 2013.03.20 23:06:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:No.
Names have consequences.
/thread. Carniflex wrote:No.
You do your bed and then you sleep in it. EVE is all about results of your actions. Granted, easily circumenvented by the use of alts but currently at least the one characters you used for crap gets "ruined" by its reputation. Hypothetically..... If "consequences" meant anything more in this game than just a catch all brick wall to different ideas like a name change or others...
WHY DO WE HAVE 3 BIOMASSABLE NAMES ON EACH ACCOUNT? Accountability would mean you screw up a "toon's" rep... UR STUCK WITH IT. Each account should have 3 permanent toons, never replaceable.
Accountability should be reflected across all toons on the account... Doing bad alt(doing unsavory) on the same account as your trader indy alt(funding unsavory), your money source should be just as targetable as your jerk off alt, in the eyes of the law, funding terrorism makes them as responsible as the guy placing the bomb on the school bus or putting on the suicide vest...
Not just make a name then trash him and make another and trash him and make another and trash ect ect ect ect rinse and repeat
So how dose the the hypocritical idea of consequences taken to the logical conclusion.... but that wouldn't agreeable game play, being responsible for what you do No cuts, no butts, no cocanuts!
Forum alt, unskilled in the was of pewpew! |
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