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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
684
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Posted - 2013.03.16 08:58:00 -
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Gotta like how the spacerich NULLbears try to paint SOV as too tuff while amassing TECH fortunes that'll last for years.... Every future expansion that doesn't address the moon goo bottle neck that lead to this ThunderdomeGäó is another expansion that in IMHO will lead to NULL's stagnation.... While I understand Shaddooo's tactical desire to have TECH funded gudfights for his owns everlasting tech funded wars the rest of Eve will suffer... Instead of misdirecting all Eve's ills on HI SEC lets point it at were its due: its time to break the near TECH monoploy CCP Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
542
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Posted - 2013.03.16 09:01:00 -
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It's hard when you're not big. Some of the null people who are talking about how hard things are aren't goonswarm. the small businesses of eve do fail within a year. CCP don't make us wait another decade for a drone overhaul; DRONE OVERHAUL NOW! |
Primary This Rifter
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.03.16 09:04:00 -
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Tech isn't the problem. The sov grind is. Yes, I'm an alt. Congratulations. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2239
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Posted - 2013.03.16 09:05:00 -
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You are linking to some hopeless nerds terrible blog, like it was some kind of source of relevant information?
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7082
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Posted - 2013.03.16 09:05:00 -
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hisec incursion runners are upset over how things are done, refuse to do anything about it despite having hundreds of billions of isk to play with, opt to run more incursions instead ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2663
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Posted - 2013.03.16 09:08:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:It's hard when you're not big. Some of the null people who are talking about how hard things are aren't goonswarm. the small businesses of eve do fail within a year.
You basically have to be sponsored by a large, well funded alliance to survive in nullsec these days. Or rent from one of them. A TMC guy pointed this out not long ago but all the highsec people **** him down because "Abloobloobloo Tech moons". Even those of us (for the most part) realise the bad state that nullsec is in & would like to see it fixed.
CCP made a crappy sov system then made it worse by not listening to the playerbase, but we'd be stupid to not take advantage of it while it's still available. It was the same deal with highsec incursion payouts. It was far too profitable, but we still took advantage of it. DarthNefarius like to overlook that. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
684
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Posted - 2013.03.16 09:44:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote: You basically have to be sponsored by a large, well funded alliance to survive in nullsec these days. Or rent from one of them.
BoB politics/paradigm at its peak, no? Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7082
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Posted - 2013.03.16 09:47:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote: You basically have to be sponsored by a large, well funded alliance to survive in nullsec these days. Or rent from one of them.
BoB politics/paradigm at its peak, no?
no, just the way the world works ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8175
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Posted - 2013.03.16 09:50:00 -
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Andski wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote: You basically have to be sponsored by a large, well funded alliance to survive in nullsec these days. Or rent from one of them.
BoB politics/paradigm at its peak, no? no, just the way the world works
Unless you live in NPC space, in which case you can solo around (or just be in a corp) quite happily. Plenty of people live like that in Stain and Curse. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
684
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Posted - 2013.03.16 09:54:00 -
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Andski wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote: You basically have to be sponsored by a large, well funded alliance to survive in nullsec these days. Or rent from one of them.
BoB politics/paradigm at its peak, no? no, just the way the world works
While some say the World works in hyprocrisy i still think it fumbles over itself & ends up worse off for it... guess there is only 1 way to learn ( & yet still ignore the lesson ) Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
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Balthisus Filtch
RISE Inc.
37
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:01:00 -
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So here is the problem with moon goo.
New player base comes from 2 main places.
1 - random people pulled in by marketing, PR and advertising
2. - the 2 big nullsec blocks which feed players into the game from the IRL websites they are linked to
The majority of people want to play games casually (if you don't believe that then just look at the dumbing down of any major franchise). Unsurprisingly then a significant portion of new players that arrive in EVE also want to play casually. If developers don't cater to them then the game suffers significantly financially.
The random ppl joining in hi-sec get relative safety and a mission system/ship progression to suit their needs.
Those joining major power block get free ships and modules paid for by Moon goo. Their game consists of no hassle /hard work major fleet fights.
Turn off the moon goo and free stuff alliance programs and you might just turn off a significant route by which new players are attracted into and retained in the game. Clearly Moon Goo is totally game unbalancing and totally unfair..... BUT having implemented it, how do they get themselves out of it without damaging themselves financially.
IMO this is why the most obvious fix in the game hasn't appeared to gather any momentum to being fixed. CCP aren't stupid, they see the problem - but there is no win win solution right now.
Final killer - its the new players that pay for subscriptions - the older player base are in the main paying for plex - so financially new players are the lifeblood of the game. So that moon goo led gameplay driven by the IRL websites is really key to CCP, constant stream of new players joining and leaving is good for them.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7082
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:01:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:While some say the World works in hyprocrisy i still think it fumbles over itself & ends up worse off for it... guess there is only 1 way to learn ( & yet still ignore the lesson )
several smaller alliances occupying some sov space can certainly form a defensive bloc that only sets standings when one of them faces a larger external threat, and such blocs exist
of course they'd probably get mopped away by a more organized bloc if it came to that but, again, that's just the law of the jungle ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7082
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:02:00 -
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Balthisus Filtch wrote:So here is the problem with moon goo.
New player base comes from 2 main places.
1 - random people pulled in by marketing, PR and advertising
2. - the 2 big nullsec blocks which feed players into the game from the IRL websites they are linked to
The majority of people want to play games casually (if you don't believe that then just look at the dumbing down of any major franchise). Unsurprisingly then a significant portion of new players that arrive in EVE also want to play casually. If developers don't cater to them then the game suffers significantly financially.
The random ppl joining in hi-sec get relative safety and a mission system/ship progression to suit their needs.
Those joining major power block get free ships and modules paid for by Moon goo. Their game consists of no hassle /hard work major fleet fights.
Turn off the moon goo and free stuff alliance programs and you might just turn off a significant route by which new players are attracted into and retained in the game. Clearly Moon Goo is totally game unbalancing and totally unfair..... BUT having implemented it, how do they get themselves out of it without damaging themselves financially.
IMO this is why the most obvious fix in the game hasn't appeared to gather any momentum to being fixed. CCP aren't stupid, they see the problem - but there is no win win solution right now.
Final killer - its the new players that pay for subscriptions - the older player base are in the main paying for plex - so financially new players are the lifeblood of the game. So that moon goo led gameplay driven by the IRL websites is really key to CCP, constant stream of new players joining and leaving is good for them.
yeah no that's not how it works ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
684
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:06:00 -
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Andski wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:While some say the World works in hyprocrisy i still think it fumbles over itself & ends up worse off for it... guess there is only 1 way to learn ( & yet still ignore the lesson ) several smaller alliances occupying some sov space can certainly form a defensive bloc that only sets standings when one of them faces a larger external threat, and such blocs exist of course they'd probably get mopped away by a more organized bloc if it came to that but, again, that's just the law of the jungle
EVEneeds ALOT more ******* jumgles like there where in Viet NAM to make more niches viable then the big boys have right now to trump them Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
Primary This Rifter
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:09:00 -
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Welcome to the jumgle. Yes, I'm an alt. Congratulations. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
684
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:11:00 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Welcome to the jumgle.
Where's my canniester of agent orange? Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
729
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:16:00 -
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Yes we know Powerblocs are fat and happy with broken "ATMs" that CCP promised to fix..........2 years ago
Yes we know that they're using the SOV grind as an excuse while only saying "fix it" and giving no ideas on how to.
I strongly believe that CCP is scared to make "Big changes" to the game after the Incarna incident. Which throughly explains why they've been releasing overglorified patches instead of actual expansions. I can see CCP pushing work on other games (Dust and maybe that Vampire game....whatever it's called.) Before thay make big changes to EVE, ESP "Broken SOV mechanics."
OR, I could go on the Tinfoil hat route and **** off devs. (One word, it's a mix of A job title that we call employees that work for CCP and a certain large powerbloc. Say that one word, BAM, instant vacation from forums.) I'm not entirely clear on the point of this, but I do have a sudden urge to jump in a catalyst and blow up a miner. Twitter! - @AzamiNevinyrall I'm half expecting a ban for this post. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8176
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:26:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Andski wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:While some say the World works in hyprocrisy i still think it fumbles over itself & ends up worse off for it... guess there is only 1 way to learn ( & yet still ignore the lesson ) several smaller alliances occupying some sov space can certainly form a defensive bloc that only sets standings when one of them faces a larger external threat, and such blocs exist of course they'd probably get mopped away by a more organized bloc if it came to that but, again, that's just the law of the jungle EVEneeds ALOT more ******* jumgles like there where in Viet NAM to make more niches viable then the big boys have right now to trump them
You mean like 2500 W-space systems? Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8176
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:27:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Yes we know Powerblocs are fat and happy with broken "ATMs" that CCP promised to fix..........2 years ago
If by "happy" you mean "have been begging, pleading, yelling and just plain asking for CCP to fix them" then sure I guess.
Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
685
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:29:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Andski wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:While some say the World works in hyprocrisy i still think it fumbles over itself & ends up worse off for it... guess there is only 1 way to learn ( & yet still ignore the lesson ) several smaller alliances occupying some sov space can certainly form a defensive bloc that only sets standings when one of them faces a larger external threat, and such blocs exist of course they'd probably get mopped away by a more organized bloc if it came to that but, again, that's just the law of the jungle EVEneeds ALOT more ******* jumgles like there where in Viet NAM to make more niches viable then the big boys have right now to trump them You mean like 2500 W-space systems?
NAAAH more like current gold mines should run dry eventually some faster then others and stale systems should get some embarrassing overgrowth that threatens SOV Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2666
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:33:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Yes we know that they're using the SOV grind as an excuse while only saying "fix it" and giving no ideas on how to.
Great ideas have been put forward, but CCP doesn't listen. Does it surprise you when I say that CCP doesn't listen? Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
685
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:33:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Yes we know Powerblocs are fat and happy with broken "ATMs" that CCP promised to fix..........2 years ago
If by "happy" you mean "have been begging, pleading, yelling and just plain asking for CCP to fix them" then sure I guess.
butt Goons/CFC/HBC/PL/big bluwedoughnut doth protests toooooo much Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
730
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:34:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Yes we know Powerblocs are fat and happy with broken "ATMs" that CCP promised to fix..........2 years ago
If by "happy" you mean "have been begging, pleading, yelling and just plain asking for CCP to fix them" then sure I guess. What ideas have been put forth by these people, and how to change it?
And if you say "Borders" then I hope you mean "Remove all timers." I'm not entirely clear on the point of this, but I do have a sudden urge to jump in a catalyst and blow up a miner. Twitter! - @AzamiNevinyrall I'm half expecting a ban for this post. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
731
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:37:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Yes we know that they're using the SOV grind as an excuse while only saying "fix it" and giving no ideas on how to. Great ideas have been put forward, but CCP doesn't listen. Does it surprise you when I say that CCP doesn't listen? I've been playing this game long enough to realize that.
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I agree with both arguments here, yes SOV needs to change, if not for it "being broken," but to change things. But I personally don't think its broken, just boring as ****. I also agree with Powerblocs being happy with their current positions. Because, after all, Greed is good, right? I'm not entirely clear on the point of this, but I do have a sudden urge to jump in a catalyst and blow up a miner. Twitter! - @AzamiNevinyrall I'm half expecting a ban for this post. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7085
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:44:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Malcanis wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Yes we know Powerblocs are fat and happy with broken "ATMs" that CCP promised to fix..........2 years ago
If by "happy" you mean "have been begging, pleading, yelling and just plain asking for CCP to fix them" then sure I guess. butt Goons/CFC/HBC/PL/big bluwedoughnut doth protests toooooo much
lmao "blue donut"
you spend too much time reading en24 trash and then accepting it as truth without verifying things that are trivial to verify like, "are the CFC and HBC actually blue" ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8178
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:46:00 -
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Andski wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Malcanis wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Yes we know Powerblocs are fat and happy with broken "ATMs" that CCP promised to fix..........2 years ago
If by "happy" you mean "have been begging, pleading, yelling and just plain asking for CCP to fix them" then sure I guess. butt Goons/CFC/HBC/PL/big bluwedoughnut doth protests toooooo much lmao "blue donut" you spend too much time reading en24 trash and then accepting it as truth without verifying things that are trivial to verify like, "are the CFC and HBC actually blue"
Remember: reality is just nullbear propaganda. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1063
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:48:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:What ideas have been put forth by these people, and how to change it? "
There's the rub. Solutions have been provided, but none of them are easy, hence they're ignored. I can't believe I even have to say "farms and fields" to someone else in the CFC but here we are. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
685
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:48:00 -
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delete Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
685
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:49:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Andski wrote:hisec incursion runners are upset over how things are done, refuse to do anything about it despite having hundreds of billions of isk to play with, opt to run more incursions instead Acrually I think Andski you are corrcet in that many HISEC incursioners are siting on multi billions of ISK.... but not next to the trillions of TECH ISK NULL sec coalitions are sittng on. That isprobably the biggest imbalance Eve is looking at at the moment
Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7087
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:49:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Andski wrote:hisec incursion runners are upset over how things are done, refuse to do anything about it despite having hundreds of billions of isk to play with, opt to run more incursions instead Acrually I think Andski you are corrcet in that many HISEC incursioners are siting on billion of ISK but not next to the trillions of TECH ISK NULL sec coalitions are sittng on. That isprobably the biggest imbalance Eve is looking at at the moment
entire alliances having more assets and isk than individual players is an imbalance
pubbie logic, everyone ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
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