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Eezee Gonozal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.03.31 00:02:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:Regardless of my own feelings, if I place myself in their shoes for a minute I can see that I would be enjoying the comfort & security of living in a place that is as profitable as sov claimed blue nullsec combined with even greater effective safety than even half of hisec could offer. Moon goo faucets for infinite PLEX and infinite goodies would certainly be a load off my mind, to be sure, and if I had that I certainly would not want it going away. I'd actively fight to protect it. In this instance "fight" actually means CSM block voting for special interest candidates and political manipulations to make sure that nothing ever changes. Yeah, who wouldn't want to protect it? So folks moved high sec into null for an acceptable mechanic ingame - making isk. CCP can't just change that because no one is breaking any rules, they're playing the game as the game was designed to the letter. But folks don't like it because there's some peace in a region that's suppose to be about warfare (let alone fund the PvP war machine). This was bound to happen when there's a faucet to pay for their 10+ accounts for free, and in the end probably the end of PvP as players want to know it (what is PvP in EvE now? Hiring mercs?); because if it's free playtime vs PvP guess what is going to change? Nullsec wasn't like that years ago, it was territory to be fought over for riches, now it's come in as blue and enjoy the riches, instead. I'm not going to argue over it, because this was naturally going to happen...economics trumps all.
I always love reading posts about how I get 10+ Plexes every month for my accounts. I could tell you how not even directors get all their accounts paid for, but in your alternate reality, where the CSM is actually blocking CCP from doing anything about moons, we all live in giant villas paid for by RMT.
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.03.31 02:21:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
Do you even live in null? If so do you play with your eyes open or are they shut like your mind on anyone that disagrees with you.
The sea of blue in null is not imaginary just like the response to potential war that was going to happen and replaced with war games.
Its clear you dont live in null.
Can attest to that, seeing him (can't miss the name) in 1.0 space. My first impression was -- bot. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Sentamon
802
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Posted - 2013.03.31 02:35:00 -
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This thread makes me want to stab my eyes out. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.03.31 02:40:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:This thread makes me want to stab my eyes out.
Monks tend to be blind anyway. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
793
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Posted - 2013.03.31 05:27:00 -
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Degren wrote:Is this DarthNefarius's first threadnaught?
10/10
No I've had a few others mostly due to Incursions & WH stuff .... not NULL SEC I think I may have hit a chord here though Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 Disclaimer: CCP Bias is a fictional character. In case that some CCP Bias does exist,-áis he an ex-goon? |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
793
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Posted - 2013.03.31 05:32:00 -
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Eezee Gonozal wrote: I always love reading posts about how I get 10+ Plexes every month for my accounts. I could tell you how not even directors get all their accounts paid for, but in your alternate reality, where the CSM is actually blocking CCP from doing anything about moons, we all live in giant villas paid for by RMT.
Are you a Goon director? I heard they all live in Gallente Pleasure Dome/Villas in POS's in DELVE The Goon dregs which I suspect you are live in poverty but at least you get free ships thnx to well TECH funded SRP's providing infinite Drakes Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 Disclaimer: CCP Bias is a fictional character. In case that some CCP Bias does exist,-áis he an ex-goon? |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3084
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Posted - 2013.03.31 06:14:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Eezee Gonozal wrote: I always love reading posts about how I get 10+ Plexes every month for my accounts. I could tell you how not even directors get all their accounts paid for, but in your alternate reality, where the CSM is actually blocking CCP from doing anything about moons, we all live in giant villas paid for by RMT.
Are you a Goon director? I heard they all live in Gallente Pleasure Dome/Villas in POS's in DELVE The Goon dregs which I suspect you are live in poverty but at least you get free ships thnx to well TECH funded SRP's providing infinite Drakes
5 Drakes per member, per month. Hooray Infinity! This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
793
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Posted - 2013.03.31 06:21:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Eezee Gonozal wrote: I always love reading posts about how I get 10+ Plexes every month for my accounts. I could tell you how not even directors get all their accounts paid for, but in your alternate reality, where the CSM is actually blocking CCP from doing anything about moons, we all live in giant villas paid for by RMT.
Are you a Goon director? I heard they all live in Gallente Pleasure Dome/Villas in POS's in DELVE The Goon dregs which I suspect you are live in poverty but at least you get free ships thnx to well TECH funded SRP's providing infinite Drakes 5 Drakes per member, per month. Hooray Infinity!
To infinity & beyond Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 Disclaimer: CCP Bias is a fictional character. In case that some CCP Bias does exist,-áis he an ex-goon? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7251
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Posted - 2013.03.31 07:50:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Are you a Goon director? I heard they all live in Gallente Pleasure Dome/Villas in POS's in DELVE The Goon dregs which I suspect you are live in poverty but at least you get free ships thnx to well TECH funded SRP's providing infinite Drakes
us directors are mostly rich as hell because we scam people like you, pocketing alliance isk isn't really that lucrative in comparison ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7251
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Posted - 2013.03.31 07:59:00 -
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imagine that, not needing to hoard a ton of isk and assets simply because anytime you need isk, there are plenty of chumps lined up to hand it to you with glee
well it owns ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami No Value
294
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Posted - 2013.04.01 18:34:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Passive and active streams of income have to many variables to be comparable and competitive (you keep saying it isn't comparable, which goes against the thread because the origination of it was based on comparison!), bar the fact that they both have a "rate". Nope. Started with a statement to the effect: "Nobody can compete with Tech moon income." The income from Stocks is competitive with the income from Bonds despite the fact that Stocks and Bonds are so different as to be incomparable. The income a group can earn from Ice mining is competitive with the income from Tech moons, because a group of similar numbers can earn similar incomes. The fact that one may require more effort than the other is irrelevant. The goal is: "Earn X ISK for the Alliance to support SRP/whatever other alliance expenses." Both income sources can fulfill that goal. Therefore, people without Tech can compete with people who have Tech. In fact, we have proof of exactly that happening. The DRF (who owned no Tech) stomped the Northern Coalition (who owned most of the Tech) out of their space. Proving, empirically, that you can compete with Tech income without Tech.
So Thunderdome is being supported by ice miners because people don't want to fight over those ice belts. Got it.
Guess I had it wrong when I read Mittani talking about any force trying to get into tech moon mining would be hellcamped.
Clearly ice belts, which are strewn across all of Eve, are such indicators as to why Sov and Tech moons are such a big hit.
Oh wait, maybe its because people CAN do both at the same time! You should look into the difference between passive and active.
Since you like using stocks and bonds... you do realize you can buy a savings bond and need to wait for it to mature to get the most out of it while playing the stock market right?
At the same time, which would give you an even GREATER increase, albeit RISK, than if you just had those bonds waiting to mature. But you need to be in contact with that same stock market, or someone on your behalf to do the necessary work, while you sit back and wait for those bonds.
Like I said before; bad example. "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url]-á for details. |
RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3090
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Posted - 2013.04.01 22:54:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:So Thunderdome is being supported by ice miners because people don't want to fight over those ice belts. Got it.
Nobody said anything of the sort.
Quote:Guess I had it wrong when I read Mittani talking about any force trying to get into tech moon mining would be hellcamped.
Why wouldn't people want to defend their income sources?
Quote:Oh wait, maybe its because people CAN do both at the same time! You should look into the difference between passive and active.
Show me how you can mine Ice at the same time you're hellcamping someone in reprisal for an attack on a Tech moon with the same account?
If someone's using more accounts than you are to make money, of course they're going to have an advantage. But that advantage has nothing to do with the topic at hand, so we assume account number parity. That is to say: If someone's spending time on one account defending a Tech moon, that is time that he cannot spend on that account mining Ice (this is obviously true, and it's ridiculous that I keep having to spell it out for you).
Quote:Since you like using stocks and bonds... you do realize you can buy a savings bond and need to wait for it to mature to get the most out of it while playing the stock market right?
No, you actually can't do both at the same time with the same resources. Purchasing a Bond means that you cannot use the same money, at the same time, to purchase stocks.
In EVE terms, Defending a Tech moon means that you cannot use the same account, at the same time, to Mine Ice.
Again, all it takes to compete with the combined income from all Tech moons is a group of a similar size to Goonswarm willing to contribute 250m/month to the cause. If you don't have similar numbers, of course each member is going to have to contribute more (again, obvious. Larger groups have advantages over smaller groups because 1+1 > 1).
And, as Empirical Proof that non-Tech owners can kick the pants off of compete with Tech owners, we have the DRF's conquest and eviction of the Northern Coalition. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13429
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Posted - 2013.04.01 23:03:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Oh wait, maybe its because people CAN do both at the same time! You should look into the difference between passive and active. The only difference is that one requires manhours to produce ISK whereas the other requires manhours to produce ISK. Oh wait. That's not a difference.
The only difference is that one is assumed to be passive when it really isn't. Beyond that, they are comparable, competitive, and the complaint that they aren't has on multiple occasions proven to be false. Believing it today, with all to show the exact opposite, is ridiculously ignorant.
Actually, there's a second difference too: the supposedly (but not actually) GÇ£passiveGÇ¥ income is actually better described as static, whereas the GÇ£activeGÇ¥ can be dynamically scaled to fit your needs and can trivially outpace the static income if that's what you want. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2013.04.01 23:45:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Show me how you can mine Ice at the same time you're hellcamping someone in reprisal for an attack on a Tech moon with the same account?
With ISBox greenlighted as an acceptable macro program, and block alliances rolling not only in ISK but RL cash (blobbies), they aren't going to multibox?
A guy made a complaint in the suggestions forum as he saw about 80 bot named pilots in an icefield.
People don't throw that much ISK (500mil x 80...yeah it's funded by someone with a-l-o-t of capital) but ISK farmers. And with PLEX players don't have to buy it.
It's this type of stuff that CCP has to watch out for, because on paper it looks cool that players can be Standard Oil. In practice it's why Standard Oil lost it's monopoly: it's not good for business overall, it stagnates it. Just look at the game and what it turned it into. The ankle biters and mercs being but the PvP (which these blocs help fuel even), and those blue alliances growing by the day.
When I played EvE back in 2010 null was being fought over. Small/medium sized alliances raced to get a piece of the pie. Null had the riches to make it worthwhile.
Today? The blue donut exists.
Do you remember back in 2008 how Goons began and why the blob fleet came into existence (you were new and none skilled). Five years later, you guys turned into the next BoB.
And history tends to repeat itself (especially when revolutions are but three meals away).
"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13430
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Posted - 2013.04.01 23:56:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:With ISBox greenlighted as an acceptable macro program, and block alliances rolling not only in ISK but RL cash (blobbies), they aren't going to multibox? GǪwhich still won't let them mine ice while defending a tech moon on the same account.
Quote:When I played EvE back in 2010 null was being fought over. Small/medium sized alliances raced to get a piece of the pie. Null had the riches to make it worthwhile. GǪand the only thing that has changed since then is that people assume that it can't be done and that those who know it can have gotten fed up with a sov mechanic that was getting old already back then. In fact, 2010 was an excellent example of the whole Gǣcan't compete with techGǥ argument is bunk.
Quote:Today? The blue donut exists. GǪexcept that it's, at best, a cheese doodle rather than a doughnut. This isn't something new either.
Quote:Do you remember back in 2008 how Goons began and why the blob fleet came into existence (you were new and none skilled). Five years later, you guys turned into the next BoB. 2008?! I think you need to check your historyGǪ Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2013.04.02 02:15:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪwhich still won't let them mine ice while defending a tech moon on the same account.
...he doesn't have too.
Quote:GǪand the only thing that has changed since then is that people assume that it can't be done and that those who know it can have gotten fed up with a sov mechanic that was getting old already back then. In fact, 2010 was an excellent example of the whole Gǣcan't compete with techGǥ argument is bunk.
No, there was a vacuum along the Amarr/Curse border that gave the opportunity (Feb/2010). It was a free-for-all to grab territory, and an opportunity for small/medium sized alliances to get a piece of the pie -- no blue donuts.
Quote:GǪexcept that it's, at best, a cheese doodle rather than a doughnut. This isn't something new either.
It doesn't matter what it looks like at the moment, you know what I meant. You also know that it's PvE in a area designed for PvP (and exists due to resources only). It makes a mockery to a game about 24/7 PvP, just as blobs about "skills matter" (if they don't, just do away with the skills system, it's hypocrisy otherwise).
Quote:2008?! I think you need to check your historyGǪ
The Great War, dear. Same war that the Goons were kicked back to NPC stations, as they were untrained, new and dumb.
And it's about time for another Great War to realign the universe, too. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3090
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Posted - 2013.04.02 02:26:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:...he doesn't have too.
Then the Ice mining alliance has the same opportunity to mine Ice with two accounts to the Tech defender's one. If your complaint is "they make more ISK than me because they work more alts" then that has absolutely nothing to do with Tech.
Quote:It doesn't matter what it looks like at the moment, you know what I meant. You also know that it's PvE in a area designed for PvP (and exists due to resources only). It makes a mockery to a game about 24/7 PvP, just as blobs about "skills matter" (if they don't, just do away with the skills system, it's hypocrisy otherwise).
So much wrong with that paragraph.
1. Blue Doughnut implies that everyone in Nullsec is blue to each other (and has nothing to do with the converstation at hand). But, just for fun, Let's see if that's true: HBC and CFC? Not Blue. HBC and Solar? Not Blue. Solar and CFC? Not Blue.
Ring around the posey, and nobody's blue. People aren't invading each other (well, except the HBC invading Solar) because there's generally no reason to, and there's the huge obstacle of a truly terrible Sov grind system.
Quote:The Great War, dear. Same war that the Goons were kicked back to NPC stations, as they were untrained, new and dumb.
And it's about time for another Great War to realign the universe, too.
So start it. As we've shown, if you get comparable numbers to the GSF working towards the same goal, you can fairly trivially outpace the combined Total Income of All Tech moons.
Remember, Goons were a bunch of Newbies who took down the "too-big-to-fail" BOB. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7258
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Posted - 2013.04.02 02:43:00 -
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yes nobody ran large fleets until 2008
yep, nobody ever sieged towers, which dictated sovereignty, with large fleets, they used 20-man gangs to siege them for 10 hours at a time ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7258
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Posted - 2013.04.02 02:45:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:It doesn't matter what it looks like at the moment, you know what I meant. You also know that it's PvE in a area designed for PvP (and exists due to resources only). It makes a mockery to a game about 24/7 PvP, just as blobs about "skills matter" (if they don't, just do away with the skills system, it's hypocrisy otherwise).
I think we can safely disregard the rest of your post if you subscribe to this idea that gameplay is segregated in such a way when it is not and has never been ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1488
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Posted - 2013.04.02 02:51:00 -
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Goddamned American Capitalist wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Goddamned American Capitalist wrote:I know, they say they do want it fixed, but I don't see them packing up all of their moon harvesters and ceasing production, do you? Because like pre-nerf highsec incursions & FW mechanics or the current 150m isk/hour Forsaken Hubs, we'd be stupid to not take advantage of it while it's there. This doesn't mean we don't think it should be changed or don't want it changed I call bullshit. You don't want **** changed, if you did you'd do something about it like shooting monuments in Jita until CCP changed it.
"Act like pubbies for change 2013"
All of you saying "Well if you hate it so much why do you continue to reap the rewards" lack a certain level of pragmatism. You knew an incursion nerf was coming down the pipe, did you say "Well ok I guess I had best just stop doing this until CCP fixes it because taking this money would make me dirty." or did you build up to a frenzy to build an isk stockpile before it hit?
If I knew tomorrow that CCP would be removing all meta module drops from the game and only legacy modules would continue to exist, I'd be sitting in an anom with my vindicator and my alt in a noctis this very second, while my Jita alt bought as much stockpile as I could before the hit.
I mean look no further than our last several CSM platforms to see our opinion on the subject, but we'd be fools not to abuse it while it's in the game. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7258
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Posted - 2013.04.02 02:52:00 -
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beyond that ablooblooblooooo goons hellcamp people into their stations when they start sieging their moons, why don't they let others simply take moons from them
gotta say, this thread is p. hilarious ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1488
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Posted - 2013.04.02 02:56:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote: Do you remember back in 2008 how Goons began and why the blob fleet came into existence (you were new and none skilled). Five years later, you guys turned into the next BoB.
And history tends to repeat itself (especially when revolutions are but three meals away).
I love revisionist history. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1488
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Posted - 2013.04.02 03:11:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:You never have to spend more than 500 man hours to mine Ice worth 5b ISK. Some months you might have to defend a Moon more times than you'd planned for (not to mention the fact that each time you've been forced to defend a moon, you loose 300m ISK worth of production).
Also, the fact that Ice mining can be done individually, on their own time, is a huge advantage for Ice mining. If you have variation on participation for your Tech moon defense fleets, you may well lose the moon (loosing all the income, not just part of it). Then you need at least 2 successful fleets in a row to get it back.
The original claim was that "nobody can compete with Tech moon income." The fact that a similar sized group to goonswarm could produce an income greater than the entire combined income of all Tech moons by having its members donate only 250m/month to the war effort (be that through 25hrs/month of mining, 5hrs/month missioning, 2hrs/month running incursions), means that that claim is entirely discredited.
Nobody has said that Passive = Active. Just that they can compete with each other as income sources, and that Tech moons are only as passive as the enemies of the owners let them be. In other words, if you don't like the fact that Tech moon income is as passive as it is, form up some bomber alts and keep them permanently reinforced.
To back this statement up, back when lowsec incursions was a "Thing" that goons did, our incursion squad (And we generally only had one squad of 10 running at any given moment) was making more alliance income via taxes than a tech moon. So a roving gypsy band of about 20 or so total goons was making more ALLIANCE isk than a single tech moon. This is discounting personal income which allowed many of us to create a stable of ships, buy capital characters and hulls etc.
Now for pretend numbers because there is no real easy way to tell, lets say half of the alliance is alts, or can't be multiboxed for some reason.
9917 / 2 = 4958 (rounding down)
Break them into gangs of 20 and send them off to do incursions, granted this is a theoretical because at most each incursion could support about 80 goons running them.
We'd produce as much isk as about 248 tech moons, give or take a decimal.
Now right now you can make about 80M an hour ratting in a naga, it's very unfun and takes a bit of concentration, but it's doable. It's taxed at the same rate. If the same number of goons logged in and ratted at the same rate and swath of time we were doing incursions we'd see our membership generating about 198~ tech moons worth of income.
Unfortunately most goons find ratting to be terrible (Because it is) and have found other methods of generating income (Faction warfare/scamming), that is not only non taxable, but has dividends that make incursion running look rather paltry. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2013.04.02 03:30:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:I love revisionist history.
I love actual history...
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Band_of_brothers#Operation_Goonicide
Quote:Operation Goonicide
Operation Goonicide was an operation in which Band of Brothers (BoB) attacked Goonswarm, trying to remove them from The Syndicate. Many other alliances joined BoB to exact "revenge" from Goonswarm.
The conflict was triggered by the claims of BoB's leadership that Goonswarm alliance had displayed a disrespectful attitude to the EVE Community, and is the root cause of the long-standing animosity between Goonswarm and Band of Brothers and its subsequent reincarnations.
Band of Brothers attacked and defeated the early Tech I Goonswarm fleets, who simply chose to hide waiting for a better time, or rolled untrained 'VCBee' alts to repeatedly suicide into gate and station camps in free rookie ships. This conflict was ultimately inconclusive; BoB left Syndicate after three weeks, with a heavily favourable kill:death ratio and claiming that they had destroyed Goonswarm's military and industrialassets, Goonswarm responded that as their alliance was based in conquerable NPC 0.0 at the time and their pilots mostly flew fully insurable tech 1 ships, they had little in terms of valuable assets or fleets to destroy. The claims that Band of Brothers (Player alliance) destroyed Goonswarm's morale or ability to fight were also proven untrue when, shortly after this war, Goonswarm moved to the South East and destroyed the Southern Coalition alongside Red Alliance and Tau Ceti Federation.
After this short conflict, Goonswarm changed its vision and goal in EVE, with Goonswarm and Band of Brothers being each other's sworn enemies, to the point that Band of Brothers chose to side with their old enemies Against All Authorities to fight Goonswarm once again.
(Greene Lee got what support again?)
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Operation_Goonicide
Quote:Operation Goonicide
Operation Goonicide saw BoB drive Goonswarm from their home region. At the time, Goonswarm were a new alliance in New Eden, priding themselves on their obnoxious behaviour and use of numbers to counter their lack of experience and poor equipment. They had settled into an NPC region just north of Delve, after several successful wars in the east. BoB;s leaders used an incident as an opportunity to start a propaganda war against Goonswarm, leading to Operation Goonicide - in which BoB resolved to remove Goonswarm from New Eden, even going so far as to claim "There are no goons".
When BoB attacked, Goonswarm were beaten back by their more skilled players in expensive Tech 2 (T2) ships. This was effective due to the relative youth of most of the players in Goonswarm, as at the time T2 snipers could not be countered easily with T1 ships. Goonswarm fell back to S-U where BoB camped them down until they moved back east, to wait out the BoB attack in their NPC stations.
Hmmm, where did docking games come from again?
"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7258
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Posted - 2013.04.02 03:35:00 -
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if we were the first ones to come up with tactics like "stay docked" and "outnumber the enemy" well damn that says a lot about the eve community ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2013.04.02 04:37:00 -
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Andski wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:It doesn't matter what it looks like at the moment, you know what I meant. You also know that it's PvE in a area designed for PvP (and exists due to resources only). I think we can safely disregard the rest of your post if you subscribe to this idea that gameplay is segregated in such a way when it is not and has never been
Who are you to dictate what another says/believes/reads, dear?
Now in your corp you may choose to brainwash all you like, but outside the game you're but anyone else with a butthole.
"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Sentamon
802
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Posted - 2013.04.02 04:44:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote: Do you remember back in 2008 how Goons began and why the blob fleet came into existence (you were new and none skilled). Five years later, you guys turned into the next BoB.
And history tends to repeat itself (especially when revolutions are but three meals away).
I love revisionist history.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.02 05:11:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Who are you to dictate what another says/believes/reads, dear?
Now in your corp you may choose to brainwash all you like, but outside the game you're but anyone else with a butthole.
i'm stating facts, such as "no, there are no separate PvP areas" because well the whole game is "the PvP area" ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2013.04.02 06:49:00 -
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Andski wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Who are you to dictate what another says/believes/reads, dear?
Now in your corp you may choose to brainwash all you like, but outside the game you're but anyone else with a butthole. i'm stating facts, such as "no, there are no separate PvP areas" because well the whole game is "the PvP area"
One word: Jita.
And all other major trade hubs.
That idea of "the whole game is 'the PvP area'" is moot. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
803
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Posted - 2013.04.02 06:53:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Andski wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Who are you to dictate what another says/believes/reads, dear?
Now in your corp you may choose to brainwash all you like, but outside the game you're but anyone else with a butthole. i'm stating facts, such as "no, there are no separate PvP areas" because well the whole game is "the PvP area" One word: Jita. And all other major trade hubs. That idea of "the whole game is 'the PvP area'" is moot.
Hmmm I consider Jita market to be PvP, but in many ways with all the Market BOTS 0.01 ISKing it may be more PvB Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 Disclaimer: CCP Bias is a fictional character. In case that some CCP Bias does exist,-áis he an ex-goon? |
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