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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7087
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:52:00 -
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"this massive alliance that controls massive amounts of resources via the power it can project with hundreds of individual players at a time is more wealthy than I am, this is clearly unfair CCP" ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
685
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:52:00 -
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Andski wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Andski wrote:hisec incursion runners are upset over how things are done, refuse to do anything about it despite having hundreds of billions of isk to play with, opt to run more incursions instead Acrually I think Andski you are corrcet in that many HISEC incursioners are siting on billion of ISK but not next to the trillions of TECH ISK NULL sec coalitions are sittng on. That isprobably the biggest imbalance Eve is looking at at the moment entire alliances having more assets and isk than individual players is an imbalance pubbie logic, everyone
this imbalance is making NULL too safe in many's eyes' watch out b4 logic pokes ya blind to reality Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7087
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:55:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:this imbalance is making NULL to safe in many's eyes' watch out b4 logic pokes ya blind to reality
0.0 is only as safe as players can make it, whether it's us smashing the **** out of anyone who tries to take our stuff or others simply not feeling inclined to poke the lion
hisec is as safe as CCP makes it, because they can't stand the thought of wretched hisec pubbies complaining about having to do any work towards an end other than their wallets and cashout potential growing ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1063
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:56:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:this imbalance is making NULL too safe in many's eyes
Ask SOLAR and friends how safe null is these days.
Or IRC.
Or -A-.
Or Nulli
Or NCdotte (they and Nulli would be interesting as they've been on both the giving and recieving end of large invasions in the past year)
Or Raiden.
Shall I go on? "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13259
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:56:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Acrually I think Andski you are corrcet in that many HISEC incursioners are siting on multi billions of ISK.... but not next to the trillions of TECH ISK NULL sec coalitions are sittng on. That isprobably the biggest imbalance Eve is looking at at the moment Seeing as how that's not an imbalance to begin with, it's probably not the biggest imbalance at allGǪ Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7088
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:58:00 -
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"CCP please nerf wardecs and suicide ganking even further, I can't stand the thought of having to defend myself since that doesn't result in wallet++" ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
265
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:13:00 -
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We re trying to make high sec a bit less safe....in most cases for the bigger alliances. Problem is, we don't have the nul sec isk flow. In the end its all about isks....... Psychotic Monk for CSM |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8178
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:14:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:this imbalance is making NULL too safe in many's eyes Ask SOLAR and friends how safe null is these days. Or IRC. Or -A-. Or Nulli Or NCdotte (they and Nulli would be interesting as they've been on both the giving and recieving end of large invasions in the past year) Or Raiden. Shall I go on?
Listen, how many times do I have to tell you this:
Reality is just nullbear propaganda.
Your "facts" are just dust in the wind before THE TRUTH.
Darth knows THE TRUTH, and if your stupid facts or your pointless reality contradict THE TRUTH then they're in error and THE TRUTH is still THE TRUTH. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8178
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:15:00 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:We re trying to make high sec a bit less safe....in most cases for the bigger alliances. Problem is, we don't have the nul sec isk flow. In the end its all about isks.......
Do you honestly believe that there is less ISK in hi-sec than there is in 0.0?
There are individuals in hisec with more ISK than Pandemic Legion. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Dave Stark
2005
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:15:00 -
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how safe high sec is, is irrelevant. it's what you can do within such a safe environment which is the issue.
i assume this is another "nerf high sec" thread? Want miners to move from high sec to null sec? Then give them a reason to join player corps, and stop null sec grav sites being worth less isk/hour than high sec asteroid belts. Really isn't difficult. |
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Apocryphal Noise
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:21:00 -
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The whole idea of the wargames was a big **** you to CCP so they would stand up and notice how absolutely godawful the sov grind is and how it burns out entire alliances |
Athena Maldoran
Special Nymphs On A Mission
290
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:29:00 -
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These statements represent a hint of truth.. But Op seems drunk.. |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
1243
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:30:00 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Welcome to the jumgle.
wanna bring you to your nananananananananananana knees! One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia Malcanis for CSM8 |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2667
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:45:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:how safe high sec is, is irrelevant. it's what you can do within such a safe environment which is the issue.
i assume this is another "nerf high sec" thread?
Yes, DarthNefarius wants highsec to be nerfed because he feels he makes too much isk safely killing Sansha's all day. Also something unimportant about nullsec & tech. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Dave Stark
2006
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:56:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Dave Stark wrote:how safe high sec is, is irrelevant. it's what you can do within such a safe environment which is the issue.
i assume this is another "nerf high sec" thread? Yes, DarthNefarius wants highsec to be nerfed because he feels he makes too much isk safely killing Sansha's all day. Also something unimportant about nullsec & tech.
so i was close enough with my assumption, and there's very little point in actually reading most of the posts?
right-o, thanks. Want miners to move from high sec to null sec? Then give them a reason to join player corps, and stop null sec grav sites being worth less isk/hour than high sec asteroid belts. Really isn't difficult. |
Sentamon
758
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Posted - 2013.03.16 12:39:00 -
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Oh the pains of empire and trying for absolute control over everything.
Here I come with the water barge, to collect the tears. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Primary This Rifter
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.03.16 12:49:00 -
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Apocryphal Noise wrote:The whole idea of the wargames was a big **** you to CCP so they would stand up and notice how absolutely godawful the sov grind is and how it burns out entire alliances Pretty much, yeah. Yes, I'm an alt. Congratulations. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8183
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Posted - 2013.03.16 12:53:00 -
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Apocryphal Noise wrote:The whole idea of the wargames was a big **** you to CCP so they would stand up and notice how absolutely godawful the sov grind is and how it burns out entire alliances
It's also a bad idea in terms of its stated goal. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1123
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Posted - 2013.03.16 12:53:00 -
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Having actually read the linked article it looks to me like Shadoo is trying to recreate his own version of CCP's own FW system over in Cloud Ring.
So... what's the problem again? Oh yeah, it keeps the Blue Doughnut interested enough to keep playing without starting a war big enough to inflict any actual harm to the Blue Doughnut. In other words, it avoids the two outcomes that can bring down the Blue Doughnut, namely bittervets unsubscribing from boredom and the possibility of the Blue Doughnut becoming a Red Doughnut.
Regardless of my own feelings, if I place myself in their shoes for a minute I can see that I would be enjoying the comfort & security of living in a place that is as profitable as sov claimed blue nullsec combined with even greater effective safety than even half of hisec could offer. Moon goo faucets for infinite PLEX and infinite goodies would certainly be a load off my mind, to be sure, and if I had that I certainly would not want it going away. I'd actively fight to protect it. In this instance "fight" actually means CSM block voting for special interest candidates and political manipulations to make sure that nothing ever changes.
And that's pretty much what has happened and frankly I don't blame them for it. Blue Doughnut is good, especially if you happen to be part of it. They've got the moons and the "T2 BPOs for Nespotic Brown-nosing" arrangement that makes T2 stuff so absurdly cheap that actual T2 invention is completely & utterly pointless - which I'm fine with because it saves me both time & ISK that I'd otherwise be wasting on it. So yeah, at the end of the day I like Blue Doughnut even though I'm not a part of it.
In fact, the only time I give a rat's arse about it when those bored null bittervets come here and whine about highsec. Redirecting their own personal problems & angst at us because the alternative would be shaking things up at home and they're just not comfortable with anything that might interrupt the flow of their ISK faucets.
So if creating a "Thunderdome" gives those guys something to do besides vomit out another "nerf hisec" thread approximately every 16 hours then more power to Thunderdome! Yes, if Thunderdome makes nullbears happy enough to keep cranking out cheapo T2 goods for my hisec carebear pleasure without endless whining then I'm totally behind that. Now quit whining and get back to work, pubbies. We're running low on Scorch crystals over in 1.0 EvE is like prison.-á It's a place when bad people go to learn how to become even worse people. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13262
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Posted - 2013.03.16 13:08:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:So... what's the problem again? Oh yeah, it keeps the Blue Doughnut interested enough to keep playing without starting a war big enough to inflict any actual harm to the Blue Doughnut. In other words, it avoids the two outcomes that can bring down the Blue Doughnut, namely bittervets unsubscribing from boredom and the possibility of the Blue Doughnut becoming a Red Doughnut. GǪtoo bad that the blue doughnut doesn't actually exist. If it did, those things might have actually been real problems..
Quote:Moon goo faucets for infinite PLEX and infinite goodies would certainly be a load off my mind, to be sure, and if I had that I certainly would not want it going away. I'd actively fight to protect it. In this instance "fight" actually means CSM block voting for special interest candidates and political manipulations to make sure that nothing ever changes. GǪand that would have been a good way of doing it. It's rather strange that the CSM has a long history of doing the exact opposite, isn't it? Actually, it's rather suggest that it's a good thing that we have a good representation on the CSM rather than the likes of you.
Quote:And that's pretty much what has happened and frankly I don't blame them for it. Blue Doughnut is good, especially if you happen to be part of it. They've got the moons and the "T2 BPOs for Nespotic Brown-nosing" arrangement that makes T2 stuff so absurdly cheap that actual T2 invention is completely & utterly pointless GǪexcept that T2 invention is very ridiculously profitable and there's a very good point in doing it: you earn oodles of ISK. The existence of BPOs, for one, does not make it any less profitable GÇö quite the opposite, invention has rather made BPO holding pointless.
Quote:In fact, the only time I give a rat's arse about it when those bored null bittervets come here and whine about highsec. GǪin other words, the only time you gives a rat's arse about it is when people don't come and ask CCP to balance the game. It's a bit odd behaviour, but following the pattern of your previous GǣfactsGǥ, I can only conclude that this is the case, no matter how weird it ends up sounding. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1125
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Posted - 2013.03.16 16:04:00 -
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I want some of what you're smoking. EvE is like prison.-á It's a place when bad people go to learn how to become even worse people. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13262
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Posted - 2013.03.16 16:07:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:I want some of what you're smoking. Ham? Well, sure. It'd be a far healthier substitute to the hallucinogens you've been breathing. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
345
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Posted - 2013.03.16 16:25:00 -
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Andski wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:While some say the World works in hyprocrisy i still think it fumbles over itself & ends up worse off for it... guess there is only 1 way to learn ( & yet still ignore the lesson ) several smaller alliances occupying some sov space can certainly form a defensive bloc that only sets standings when one of them faces a larger external threat, and such blocs exist of course they'd probably get mopped away by a more organized bloc if it came to that but, again, that's just the law of the jungle
How do you "fix" the "problem" about any entity ever trying to set a foot inside SOV Null where they basicly know by now that everything will fall appart no amtter what unless they ally themself with X, Y or Z? CUrrently, it looks like any entity not allied with one of the major powerblock is either in a place deemed woprthless or on borrowed time untill one of the block decide they are bored and actaully will start a war. The projection of power then do it's job and remove that entity.
I underswtand there is a shitload of work behind all the inner working of Goonswarm for example to enable that kind of power projection but isn't this partly making the game more stale because of the feeling people get that it's not worth the hassle to go there if you are not part of it or another powerblock? To me it seems like going through the effort of building a large sandcastle at low tide on a beach... |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1060
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Posted - 2013.03.16 16:39:00 -
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Balthisus Filtch wrote:So here is the problem with fixing moon goo.
New player base comes from 2 main places.
1 - random people pulled in by marketing, PR and advertising
2. - the 2 big nullsec blocks which feed players into the game from the IRL websites they are linked to
The majority of people want to play games casually (if you don't believe that then just look at the dumbing down of any major franchise). Unsurprisingly then a significant portion of new players that arrive in EVE also want to play casually. If developers don't cater to them then the game suffers significantly financially.
The random ppl joining in hi-sec get relative safety and a mission system/ship progression to suit their needs.
Those joining major power block get free ships and modules paid for by Moon goo. Their game consists of no hassle /hard work major fleet fights.
Turn off the moon goo and free stuff alliance programs and you might just turn off a significant route by which new players are attracted into and retained in the game. Clearly Moon Goo is totally game unbalancing and totally unfair..... BUT having implemented it, how do they get themselves out of it without damaging themselves financially.
IMO this is why the most obvious fix in the game hasn't appeared to gather any momentum to being fixed. CCP aren't stupid, they see the problem - but there is no win win solution right now.
Final killer - its the new players that pay for subscriptions - the older player base are in the main buying plex from new players - so financially new players are the lifeblood of the game. So that moon goo led gameplay driven by the IRL websites is really key to CCP, that constant stream of new players joining and leaving is good for them.
Free-stuff alliance programs only work because those alliances are impoverishing their playerbase to do it. Implement ring mining, make moon-goo acquisition a player-level activity and you rest the chains from the alliances who make free-stuff programs attractive because you, as a player, can't make enough to fund your own game play. Trickle-down economics only works to enrich those in control which is basically what moon-goo is doing.
I guess that's why a lot of nullsec-ers are moving to w-space?
HTFU!...for the children! |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
490
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Posted - 2013.03.16 17:10:00 -
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Andski wrote:hisec incursion runners are upset over how things are done, refuse to do anything about it despite having hundreds of billions of isk to play with, opt to run more incursions instead
You seem confused about the balance of isk.
Here's some homework for you....
How many incursion runners does it take to balance out one tech moon?
How many man hours does it take to run incursions, and compared to maintaining a single pos?
Let us know when you have some real numbers....
Besides, don't all your grunts have alts run incursions since they are safer than 0.0? The single biggest danger to EVE is the proliferation of ALTS! Kill an alt today!
Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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Dave Stark
2006
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Posted - 2013.03.16 17:11:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Andski wrote:hisec incursion runners are upset over how things are done, refuse to do anything about it despite having hundreds of billions of isk to play with, opt to run more incursions instead You seem confused about the balance of isk. Here's some homework for you.... How many incursion runners does it take to balance out one tech moon? How many man hours does it take to run incursions, and compared to maintaining a single pos? Let us know when you have some real numbers.... Besides, don't all your grunts have alts run incursions since they are safer than 0.0?
i fail to see how that changes the point that instead of doing something about it, they come on the forums and roll their face across the keyboard then hit post. Want miners to move from high sec to null sec? Then give them a reason to join player corps, and stop null sec grav sites being worth less isk/hour than high sec asteroid belts. Really isn't difficult. |
Goddamned American Capitalist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.03.16 17:14:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Gotta like how the spacerich NULLbears try to paint SOV as too tuff while amassing TECH fortunes that'll last for years.... Every future expansion that doesn't address the moon goo bottle neck that lead to this ThunderdomeGäó is another expansion that in IMHO will lead to NULL's stagnation.... While I understand Shaddooo's tactical desire to have TECH funded gudfights for his owns everlasting tech funded wars the rest of Eve will suffer... Instead of misdirecting all Eve's ills on HI SEC lets point it at were its due: its time to break the near TECH monoploy CCP
It isn't just Tech my friend, there is also Neo now as well.
The only people who don't want Moon Goo fixed are those with high-end Moon Goo. I know, they say they do want it fixed, but I don't see them packing up all of their moon harvesters and ceasing production, do you? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13262
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Posted - 2013.03.16 17:27:00 -
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Goddamned American Capitalist wrote:It isn't just Tech my friend, there is also Neo now as well.
The only people who don't want Moon Goo fixed are those with high-end Moon Goo. Fixed. At least they're the only ones trying to do something about it. For some reason, people without moon goo seem adamant that things must absolutely not change in any wayGǪ wonder why that is.
Beekeeper Bob wrote:Here's some homework for you.... How many incursion runners does it take to balance out one tech moon? Zero. The two have nothing to do with each other since they operate on completely different scales. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1092
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Posted - 2013.03.16 17:33:00 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Tech isn't the problem. The sov grind is.
sov grind is half the problem
the other half is that some big alliances and even individuals like shadoo want to keep the space and riches they have without having to continue to keep up the effort. "but we'll burn out or get bored!" they protest - well, good. Then some new fresh faces will get to shine, and grab a piece of the pie.
The wargames stuff is just the latest step towards total stagnation in null |
Goddamned American Capitalist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.03.16 17:36:00 -
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So you're saying that I don't want moon goo fixed? Hell, I'd probably log in immediately and reactivate the inactive accounts I have if I were shown proof that moon goo had been shut off completely.
Those who have it want to keep it, most of those who don't have it and want it are too lazy to take it.
I had it once, gave it up by choice and hope for the day it is removed.
It doesn't create the conflict CCP hoped it would anymore, it only helps to suppress it. It serves no purpose other than to print ISK for those who have it.
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