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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2013.03.20 00:20:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪsooo how much is a Tech moon worth a month, again?
Thats because its that much of a problem Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13313
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Posted - 2013.03.20 00:21:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:The more relevant question would be how large is the balance of Goonswarms wallet. No. The relevant question is how much do they earn in a month GÇ£for freeGÇ¥, since we're trying to compare that to how much others earn through other means.
DarthNefarius wrote:Thats because its that much of a problem Eh what? I'm asking GÇ£how much?GÇ¥ GÇö GÇ£becauseGÇ¥ is not a sensible response to thatGǪ Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Frying Doom
1985
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Posted - 2013.03.20 00:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Frying Doom wrote:The more relevant question would be how large is the balance of Goonswarms wallet. No. The relevant question is how much do they earn in a month GÇ£for freeGÇ¥, since we're trying to compare that to how much others earn through other means. Oh I agree with that as well but there wallet comes into it as well as they have been getting these welfare checks for so long. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Alara IonStorm
4670
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Posted - 2013.03.20 00:23:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: No a very excellent reason not to bother.
With an attitude like that you'll never beat them. Rome won without a single clash of sword or missile launched. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
719
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Posted - 2013.03.20 00:25:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Frying Doom wrote:The more relevant question would be how large is the balance of Goonswarms wallet. No. The relevant question is how much do they earn in a month GÇ£for freeGÇ¥, since we're trying to compare that to how much others earn through other means. Actually, that still masks the relevant question.
Sheer numbers, both in resources, pilots, cap ships, super caps and all the background work that goes into making a group that size work *at all* (experience being a form of quality, itself).
To give credit where credit is due, Goons et. al. have been clamoring for Tech to be fixed and actually called it before the change went live.
That still doesn't change the fact that they're reduced to running "Thunderdome" ops...
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |
Frying Doom
1985
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Posted - 2013.03.20 00:25:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Frying Doom wrote: No a very excellent reason not to bother.
With an attitude like that you'll never beat them. Rome won without a single clash of sword or missile launched. So when did Rome fight an enemy with unlimited resources? We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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rodyas
tie fighters inc
1070
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Posted - 2013.03.20 00:25:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Frying Doom wrote: No a very excellent reason not to bother.
With an attitude like that you'll never beat them. Rome won without a single clash of sword or missile launched.
They also got raped by genghis kahn. Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |
Alara IonStorm
4670
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Posted - 2013.03.20 00:34:00 -
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rodyas wrote: They also got raped by genghis kahn. or would have.
EDIT: Eh, I need a histroy lesson, that actually fall of rome is boring actaully. Much like the idea of a thunderdome is boring.
Crash Course makes everything fun. |
rodyas
tie fighters inc
1071
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Posted - 2013.03.20 00:44:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:rodyas wrote: They also got raped by genghis kahn. or would have.
EDIT: Eh, I need a histroy lesson, that actually fall of rome is boring actaully. Much like the idea of a thunderdome is boring.
Crash Course makes everything fun.
Still would have been more interesting if genghis khan invaded and tore them apart.
We just need to find a way to make the goons look appealing to the mongolians. Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |
Ryu Ibarazaki
Brave Newbies Inc.
12
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Posted - 2013.03.20 01:08:00 -
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rodyas wrote: Still would have been more interesting if genghis khan invaded and tore them apart.
We just need to find a way to make the goons look appealing to the mongolians.
A public relations win for the Goonswarm. Yesterday's savage barbarians, today's toga-clad servants of the Republic.
Manere parum pudici!
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baltec1
Bat Country
5646
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Posted - 2013.03.20 01:08:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:baltec1 wrote:Sentamon wrote:Organized events, meaningless fights. Azeroth has invaded New Eden. Thanks Goons and friends. Nothing is stopping you from raising your own fleets to oppose us. Can I also join ThunderdomeGäó ? Do I have to include a 500 million deposit along with the ThunderdomeGäó fleet application & will you be handling all the ISK You just gave me an idea. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
723
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Posted - 2013.03.20 01:17:00 -
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Ryu Ibarazaki wrote: A public relations win for the Goonswarm. Yesterday's savage barbarians, today's toga-clad servants of the Republic.
Manere parum pudici!
I think since we are discussing ThunderdomeGäó a better Latin moto would be:
Morituri Te Salutamus Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
581
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Posted - 2013.03.20 02:17:00 -
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I love hardcore to you know ID&T ftw ha? Cool using a brand name for eve online. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3011
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Posted - 2013.03.20 20:45:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:I nor anyone else can compete against those tech moons, as even if someone where to take say 10 of them off you, you have gained so much isk for so long that you would have the ability to fight back even if you were to sustain massive losses.
Each Tech moon is worth less per hour than a Mackinaw mining Ice. There are something around 500 tech moons (Goonswarm doesn't hold nearly all of them).
You saying you can't compete with 500 miners in Mackinaws? This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Sentamon
778
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Posted - 2013.03.20 20:52:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Sentamon wrote:Organized events, meaningless fights. Azeroth has invaded New Eden. Thanks Goons and friends. Nothing is stopping you from raising your own fleets to oppose us.
Nothing besides that fact that you recruited practically the whole server to your side. Bravo New BoB ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13328
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Posted - 2013.03.20 20:57:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Nothing besides that fact that you recruited practically the whole server to your side. Well, that's certainly a change from the normal Gǣhighsec majorityGǥ spiel you so often hearGǪ
I suppose that means that fixing highsec wouldn't actually create any backlash at all. Hop to it CCP!
Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3011
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Posted - 2013.03.20 21:00:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Sentamon wrote:Nothing besides that fact that you recruited practically the whole server to your side. Well, that's certainly a change from the normal Gǣhighsec majorityGǥ spiel you so often hearGǪ I suppose that means that fixing highsec wouldn't actually create any backlash at all. Hop to it CCP!
We've always been at war with EASTASIA. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Frying Doom
1995
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Posted - 2013.03.20 21:58:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I nor anyone else can compete against those tech moons, as even if someone where to take say 10 of them off you, you have gained so much isk for so long that you would have the ability to fight back even if you were to sustain massive losses. Each Tech moon is worth less per hour than a Mackinaw mining Ice. There are something around 500 tech moons (Goonswarm doesn't hold nearly all of them). You saying you can't compete with 500 miners in Mackinaws? http://evemaps.dotlan.net/region/moons
Ok so you got the number of tech moons wrong
EvElopedia wrote: HUMBLE BEGINNINGS
The very smallest moon-mining operation requires no more than 150-200 million ISK to start up and this can certainly see some profit. This setup consists of a small control tower, which is the central nexus of the POS, a moon-harvesting array, a silo to hold the material harvested and, of course, fuel. Unlike mining lasers that you use on asteroids, the moon miner (or harvesting array) is fully automated and works 24/7, even through downtime. Once the modules are anchored, brought online, the material type is selected and the miner linked to the silo using the POS management interface, 100 units of the material you are mining will be dropped into the silo every hour. Some raw materials can be sold for more than the fuel cost of the POS, making mining them a profitable venture. You can have as many moon harvesting arrays running as you have different moon minerals. For example, if your moon has cadmium, caesium, and silicates then you can mine all 3 of these minerals at the same time if you have 3 moon harvesting arrays.
Tech is 72,000 isk per unit, so 7,200,000 per hour, 172,800,000 per day, so care to find me a mackinaw that mines 24 hours a day? We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
729
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:22:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:[quote=RubyPorto][quote=Frying Doom] Tech is 72,000 isk per unit, so 7,200,000 per hour, 172,800,000 per day, so care to find me a mackinaw that mines 24 hours a day?
If so they probably hang out in delve & are BOTs...
Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
baltec1
Bat Country
5673
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:29:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Frying Doom wrote:[quote=RubyPorto][quote=Frying Doom] Tech is 72,000 isk per unit, so 7,200,000 per hour, 172,800,000 per day, so care to find me a mackinaw that mines 24 hours a day? If so they probably hang out in delve & are BOTs...
More likely Lonetrek or the Citadel. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13333
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:32:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Tech is 72,000 isk per unit, so 7,200,000 per hour, 172,800,000 per day, so care to find me a mackinaw that mines 24 hours a day? You don't particularly need to. The 7.2M/h is all you need to know: a tech moon produces half of what a highsec miner does going after the worst ore he can find. Let's say they only mine four hours a day, that's three fairly casual (and unproductive) miners making up for a single tech moonGǪ
Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Frying Doom
1995
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:38:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Tech is 72,000 isk per unit, so 7,200,000 per hour, 172,800,000 per day, so care to find me a mackinaw that mines 24 hours a day? You don't particularly need to. The 7.2M/h is all you need to know: a tech moon produces half of what a highsec miner does going after the worst ore he can find. Let's say they only mine four hours a day, that's three fairly casual (and unproductive) miners making up for a single tech moonGǪ except no hi-sec miner can mine 24 hours a day and if you think a miner makes 340 million in 4 hours you are very sadly mistaken. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13333
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:41:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:except no hi-sec miner can mine 24 hours a day GǪand now, for an encore, try actually reading the post you respond to.
Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Frying Doom
1995
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:52:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Frying Doom wrote:except no hi-sec miner can mine 24 hours a day GǪand now, for an encore, try actually reading the post you respond to. Yes and in response to that, yes it is less per hour, than a mack. But as I said that mack cannot mine 24 hours a day. So your comparison is flawed.
Semantics do not change the fact that tech makes Null, the "Why Bother" space, well that the broken Sov and the crappy industry.
All CCP need to do now is make PvP crappier in Null and lets face it local and Sov already do a good job for that. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13333
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:55:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Yes and in response to that, yes it is less per hour, than a mack. But as I said that mack cannot mine 24 hours a day GǪwhich means you didn't read the post you were responding to. So let's try that again:
The 7.2M/h is all you need to know: a tech moon produces half of what a highsec miner does going after the worst ore he can find. Let's say they only mine four hours a day, that's three fairly casual (and unproductive) miners making up for a single tech moon.
Do you notice why your response was nonsensical, or do you need the full diagram? Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
349
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Posted - 2013.03.20 23:12:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Tech is 72,000 isk per unit, so 7,200,000 per hour, 172,800,000 per day, so care to find me a mackinaw that mines 24 hours a day? You don't particularly need to. The 7.2M/h is all you need to know: a tech moon produces half of what a highsec miner does going after the worst ore he can find. Let's say they only mine four hours a day, that's three fairly casual (and unproductive) miners making up for a single tech moonGǪ
Only that? I really need to read more on that game. I really though it was MUCH more considering the amount of bitching and moaning we read about those moons around here... |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
349
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Posted - 2013.03.20 23:14:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:baltec1 wrote:Sentamon wrote:Organized events, meaningless fights. Azeroth has invaded New Eden. Thanks Goons and friends. Nothing is stopping you from raising your own fleets to oppose us. Can I also join ThunderdomeGäó ? Do I have to include a 500 million deposit along with the ThunderdomeGäó fleet application & will you be handling all the ISK You just gave me an idea.
I am pretty sure it's what I think but could you please provide some of the results when you are done working that idea? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13333
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Posted - 2013.03.20 23:21:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Only that? I really need to read more on that game. I really though it was MUCH more considering the amount of bitching and moaning we read about those moons around here... If it's just the tech itself, then yes, that's all. You can generally make more money by reacting it into something more useful, but at that point, we need to start taking into account some kind of workload (and we really should compare that with T1 manufacturing anyway).
GǪso simply comparing base material extraction vs. base material extraction is the most straight-forward comparison we can make. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
349
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Posted - 2013.03.20 23:24:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Only that? I really need to read more on that game. I really though it was MUCH more considering the amount of bitching and moaning we read about those moons around here... If it's just the tech itself, then yes, that's all. You can generally make more money by reacting it into something more useful, but at that point, we need to start taking into account some kind of workload (and we really should compare that with T1 manufacturing anyway). GǪso simply comparing base material extraction vs. base material extraction is the most straight-forward comparison we can make.
Every single month, I learn at least one thing about player of this game and it's definately not that they are better/more hardcore/less whiny than wow players... |
Frying Doom
1995
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Posted - 2013.03.20 23:24:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Yes and in response to that, yes it is less per hour, than a mack. But as I said that mack cannot mine 24 hours a day GǪwhich means you didn't read the post you were responding to. So let's try that again: The 7.2M/h is all you need to know: a tech moon produces half of what a highsec miner does going after the worst ore he can find. Let's say they only mine four hours a day, that's three fairly casual (and unproductive) miners making up for a single tech moon. Do you notice why your response was nonsensical, or do you need the full diagram? Yes and a super costs more than a POS.
You will notice that this point has as much relevance as the amount a mack mines in an hour, has to how much a permanent AFK POS moon mining operation.
The other day I killed a rat and got a BPO in under a minute worth over 50 million, again this has no relevance, as the amount I make in a day is not calculated at 55 million a minute.
A moon miner, mines 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, nothing else does, so bringing up things that get a higher isk per hour over a short term are completely irrelevant. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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