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HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
177
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Posted - 2013.03.18 17:55:00 -
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Doubt it is working as intended or they would not have the Mining barge changes. Try again |
Primary This Rifter
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.03.18 17:55:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:Tippia,
Smart has zero to do with it. People who are brilliant at this game can and do fall victim to this game flaw. No, they don't. Yes, I'm an alt. Congratulations. |
Namdor
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2013.03.18 17:58:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Not a personal problem when they pay thier monthly fee just like you and I do.
No, it's still a personal problem - as is your sense of entitlement.
Your subscription fee grants you access to the game, period, full-stop.
That's all it does. Entrance to the game does not guarantee that every game experience will conform to your personal ideal notion of what it should be.
If you get ganked in high-sec, you're about 99% at fault. You did all of the heavy lifting. The guys who did the ganking just seized an opportunity that you made available through laziness or incompetence.
Your $15/mo certainly doesn't offer you any protection from yourself. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13280
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Posted - 2013.03.18 17:59:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:Doubt it is working as intended or they would not have the Mining barge changes. Those were not high-value ships, though.
Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Namdor
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:00:00 -
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Quote:Smart has zero to do with it. People who are brilliant at this game can and do fall victim to this game flaw.
No, they don't.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1481
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:05:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Not a personal problem when they pay thier monthly fee just like you and I do.
What does that have to do with it? Does paying a sub mean you get free total protection?
If so, CCP owes me several million dollars worth of real life cash as reimbursement for my pain and suffering...
Paying a sub means access to the game. The game features non-consensual pvp everywhere including high sec, and has since day one. If that don't want to use a game/service that has this kind of pvp, they should not pay a sub/should not be playing EVE.
It's very hard to understand why you can't get these very basic ideas.
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Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
359
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:09:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:Doubt it is working as intended or they would not have the Mining barge changes. Try again
Mining barges had a harder time fitting a decent tank compared to mission ships. |
horpaskron
Republic Industries Synergy of Steel
6
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:10:00 -
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As a matter of fact, i was listening in on the action on TS, cause i came home from work to late to be part of this glorious action. It IS a lot of planning and experience. And we arent complaining about our loss, because we figured out we might loose our ships in an action like that. After all, our ships are just some bits and bytes. We take our losses, like the men we pretend to be. Oh and on the matter of us not getting our stuff done in null sec, better do your research the next time. We are playing the game as it is ment to be.
Do this, do that, get your iskies together (oh and boy do they love company, what a wonderful sight to behold)
But i read something truely disturbing in one of the posts.
You actually say, that a group of 5+ shouldnt be able to get to you?
Surely we did the right thing, because: You are mad. There is NO GAME where a single player, should be able to beat 5 (and a couple of !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for effect) opponents. You Sir, are clearly insane. |
Namdor
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:10:00 -
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Takseen wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:Doubt it is working as intended or they would not have the Mining barge changes. Try again Mining barges had a harder time fitting a decent tank compared to mission ships.
More importantly, exhumers are still routinely ganked. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1482
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:12:00 -
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Namdor wrote:
That's all it does. Entrance to the game does not guarantee that every game experience will conform to your personal ideal notion of what it should be. .
Problem is, MOST games including most MMOs DO pretty much guarantee that "very game experience will conform to your personal ideal notion of what it should be".
Most gamers don't want challenge, they want the illusion of challenge followed by assured victory so they can feel good about themselves and feel less bad about their actual lack of real life athletic ability (lol). That's why (traditional) video game makers don't make impossible to win games, but rather games that are "just hard enough" to be interesting.
Games like EVE buck the trend. It actively punishes you for being stupid, reckless or careless (even in high sec, just much less than in the other areas of the game). That's why EVE is a niche game and folks like you and me love it, if we wanted easy and friendly and assured victory where no one could screw with us, we'd be playing some other game.
But even in EVE the entitled, risk/pain/discomfort averse average gamer still plays, then comes to the forum asking mommie (ccp) to fix their boo-boo for them.
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Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
926
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:18:00 -
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News flash, not that it matters.
Ganking is low ISK loss, high reward, high lulz and it requires nothing more then a ship scanner and the ability to press F1 in sync with the others in your gang of 3-5. It is not a profession requiring anymore skill and experience then a group of carebears blazing through an incursion. Only difference is the payout is better per unit of time.
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Dave Stark
2047
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:18:00 -
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Namdor wrote:Takseen wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:Doubt it is working as intended or they would not have the Mining barge changes. Try again Mining barges had a harder time fitting a decent tank compared to mission ships. More importantly, exhumers are still routinely ganked.
except, it's at an all time low.... Want miners to move from high sec to null sec? Then give them a reason to join player corps, and stop null sec grav sites being worth less isk/hour than high sec asteroid belts. Really isn't difficult. |
Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
926
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:21:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Namdor wrote:Takseen wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:Doubt it is working as intended or they would not have the Mining barge changes. Try again Mining barges had a harder time fitting a decent tank compared to mission ships. More importantly, exhumers are still routinely ganked. except, it's at an all time low....
Can you tell us why though Mr stark? Or does it allude you?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13282
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:22:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Ganking is low ISK loss, high reward, high lulz and it requires nothing more then a ship scanner and the ability to press F1 in sync with the others in your gang of 3-5. GǪif you choose to spend a lot of time on it, making it a low-reward activity.
If you do it quickly, it's high-loss/middling-reward instead.
Quote:Only difference is the payout is better per unit of time. SoooGǪ nerf incursions? Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Sofia Wolf
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
165
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:22:00 -
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evedawn wrote: A Very Dissatisfied player!!!
Yesterday I got Insta popped in a Golem undocking from Osmon Station. What is the point of wardec's or faction warfare if you can get a team of 5 guys in high Sec with heavy fitted Teir 3 BC's & insta pop a 3 bil isk ship who has no connection with these idiots???
I think this is a serious flaw with the game!!!
I have worked hard & long hours to earn this ship for a easy kill from someone I didnt even know existed & thought just because they could pop me for being in the same place they were in, a supposidly "High Security" area.......... JOKE Joke!
CCP a very serious question if you wont honest missionaries to wont to play this game?
If I choose to, I should be able to play this game safely if that is the way you supposedly are saying I am able to do?????
Is that true???? Is High Sec a mith???
I usually tell people there are 2 cardinal rules of playing eve:
1- never undock something you are not willing to lose 2- never trust a Goon
You made me add 3th rule to that list:
3- never whine on EVE forums if you were broke rule 1 and got punished for it. |
baltec1
Bat Country
5605
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:22:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:News flash, not that it matters.
Ganking is low ISK loss, high reward, high lulz and it requires nothing more then a ship scanner and the ability to press F1 in sync with the others in your gang of 3-5. It is not a profession requiring anymore skill and experience then a group of carebears blazing through an incursion. Only difference is the payout is better per unit of time.
You forgot the most important thing, the stupidity of the target.
Takseen wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:Doubt it is working as intended or they would not have the Mining barge changes. Try again Mining barges had a harder time fitting a decent tank compared to mission ships.
The barges did need more fitting room. They did not need more base EHP though, especially the exhumers. |
Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
926
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:27:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Ganking is low ISK loss, high reward, high lulz and it requires nothing more then a ship scanner and the ability to press F1 in sync with the others in your gang of 3-5. GǪif you choose to spend a lot of time on it, making it a low-reward activity. If you do it quickly, it's high-loss/middling-reward instead. Quote:Only difference is the payout is better per unit of time. SoooGǪ nerf incursions?
It does not matter how much time you spend on it, it is a great payout in cheap ships and it requires very little prep-time and even less time executing it, comparative to they payout. Nothing else in EVE is as lucrative for such a tiny risk and tiny investment in both personal time and digital equity.
As for nerf incursions... doesn't matter. Some ganks as as easy as ratting in a belt. Nerf ratting?
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Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
6554
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:27:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:Doubt it is working as intended or they would not have the Mining barge changes. Try again
Mining barges were buffed because they were never meant to be profitable to gank (according to CCP anyway). They're also exploding at an historic low, once again according to CCP.
All the buff has managed to achieve is that more miners than ever are AFK ice mining, due to the size of the ore bay, with little or no tank because of the EHP buff, in short, business as usual for miners, no need to adapt and fit a tank to their max yield mining ships, CCP did it for them.
The gankers themselves adapted to the nerf to their playstyle very quickly, they downsized their ships, economised by seeding the market themselves, with the stuff that they need to carry on ganking, and brought more people to the party. The main source of profit in ganking is now in the supply of modules and ships to both the gankers and the ganked, although sometimes the loot fairy smiles upon the gankers and grants them nice drops as a bonus. Gankers aren't stupid, if there is no demand for something that they or someone they know is selling, they will create one, via an aggressive marketing campaign that involves people losing stuff, so that they have to buy new stuff.
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and every machiavellian space bastard in it. |
Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
926
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:29:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:News flash, not that it matters.
Ganking is low ISK loss, high reward, high lulz and it requires nothing more then a ship scanner and the ability to press F1 in sync with the others in your gang of 3-5. It is not a profession requiring anymore skill and experience then a group of carebears blazing through an incursion. Only difference is the payout is better per unit of time. You forgot the most important thing, the stupidity of the target.
Loading a freighter to near full and undocking is not stupidity. Fitting your ship with expensive mods (the correct way) is not stupidity.
No ship has a legitimate defense to ganking. Even a fleet of guardians could not save you from the Alpha strike of a small gang of cheap ships. Being ganked does not require stupidity. It is among the easiest and most lucrative professions in EVE atm.
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Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1212
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:29:00 -
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evedawn wrote:Secondly because its never happened to me before & I've never heard it could happen!
Hang on a second... logical disconnect here.
So, you WORKED your way into a Golem (not cheap, not easy skill-wise), but you don't know anything about suicide ganking?!?!
Really?
0/10 for too-obvious of a troll. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
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Theron Vetrus
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:30:00 -
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Eve Online is 10 years old. I'm amazed that there are still this many people who are clueless to the non-consentual PvP aspect of the game, as if paying a subscription fee somehow entitles them to be immune from it. Take what you can, give nothing back. I'm looking for a pirate corp Psychotic Monk for CSM8 |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3702
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:30:00 -
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High Sec is not a mith. Nor is it a MYTH. The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it.-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13283
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:33:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:It does not matter how much time you spend on it Sure it does. If you get a 100M haul (i.e. half a bil after losses) once a week because the loot fairy is being a *****, that comes out to slightly less payout than mining.
If you want good hauls and little loss, you have to spend time waiting for a stupid/willing target and then hope that the Shub-Internet and the Random Number God are pleased with your latest offerings; if you want to gamble, you can go for more risky targets more often. Either way, chances are that you won't earn much.
Quote:As for nerf incursions... doesn't matter. You said that the only thing that differs is payout per unit of time. Since incursions pay more, it only makes sense to bring it down to the level of ganking. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
926
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:42:00 -
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You either don't have a great deal of experience ganking, or your are trying to cleverly mask the specifics of the profession. Either way, CCP does not care so... have a party.
It is however what it is.
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Hecate Shaw
United Freemerchants Society
13
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:44:00 -
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Does it seem likely to anyone else that the OP bought his character? As several people have pointed out, the odds of a 4-5 year vet not knowing about high-sec ganking and yet still working up to owning a Golem worth 3b are very slim. I sometimes wonder if the the character bizarre isn't hurting more than it helps. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13284
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:47:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:You either don't have a great deal of experience ganking, or your are trying to cleverly mask the specifics of the profession. I know that it's so massively easy and profitable that it's an exceedingly rare occurrence, now more than everGǪ
GǪwhich rather suggest that it's actually rather dull and unprofitable, which comes as no surprise given all the pieces that have to fall into place for a gank to work and be worth it; given how easy they are to avoid and protect against; and given how easily the costs can run away from you if the target decides to make it so.
Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
baltec1
Bat Country
5607
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:48:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Loading a freighter to near full and undocking is not stupidity. Fitting your ship with expensive mods (the correct way) is not stupidity.
No ship has a legitimate defense to ganking. Even a fleet of guardians could not save you from the Alpha strike of a small gang of cheap ships. Being ganked does not require stupidity. It is among the easiest and most lucrative professions in EVE atm.
Putting 1 billion into the hold of a freighter means there is no profit in ganking you.
Putting 10 billion+ into the hold of a frighter make you very profitable to gank.
If you dont want to be ganked then dont be daft and stuff it full of goodies that makes you a target. The best defence is not making yourself a target. Tank your ships and limit your cargo value. Or dont and suffer the conciquences of your stupidity. |
Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
926
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:51:00 -
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It is the function of that particular ship to do such a thing. Now, you literally will not survive your trip if you take loads like that between market hubs. Your death is next to certain.
That is not stupidity. That is a game "feature". Make a ship that can move all of that stuff at once to save time and generate wealth, and then if you do do it, you are "stupid".
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13284
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:53:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Putting 1 billion into the hold of a freighter means there is no profit in ganking you. Oh, I don't knowGǪ If I tried that, it would be profitable to gank me. The bounty payout should pay for the gank ships.
Eternum Praetorian wrote:That is not stupidity Putting 10bn worth of goods in a shuttle is not stupidity?! I think you might operate on drastically different understanding of what that word means than the rest of usGǪ Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
926
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:53:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:You either don't have a great deal of experience ganking, or your are trying to cleverly mask the specifics of the profession. I know that it's so massively easy and profitable that it's an exceedingly rare occurrence, now more than everGǪ GǪwhich rather suggest that it's actually rather dull and unprofitable, which comes as no surprise given all the pieces that have to fall into place for a gank to work and be worth it; given how easy they are to avoid and protect against; and given how easily the costs can run away from you if the target decides to make it so.
Alternatively, maybe it's mechanics are not well understood by the masses. So there are allot more people "talking about doing it" then actually doing it. Your conclusion that it is dull and unprofitable is not only a forgone conclusion, it does not fit the facts presented in this thread via killmail.
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