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Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc
Ex Cinere Scriptor
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:00:00 -
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AFK Posting for the win!
Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata)
Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
Theodore Giumbix
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:55:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:I am saddened by the fact that you have now used all the wild, desperate arguments: Claiming exploits, griefing, imbalance, unfairness, etc.
An argument can't be desperate and I never used griefing argument. Better read what I write next time before REPLYING.
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Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc
Ex Cinere Scriptor
1801
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:25:00 -
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Theodore Giumbix wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:I am saddened by the fact that you have now used all the wild, desperate arguments: Claiming exploits, griefing, imbalance, unfairness, etc. An argument can't be desperate and I never used griefing argument. Better read what I write next time before REPLYING.
You did not use the exact term, but you did imply it by description.
Theodore Giumbix wrote:I think pathetic are those who do camp AFK in a game and I think they have a raelly low life in RL too. But this thread is not about who I consider being pathetic or not.
It's about EVE mechanics and that you should no be able to do anything in this game without sacrificing your RL TIME! that's all.
It is true Teckos introduced the term first, but the context for it was provided by you.
As you described a condition where another player was causing distress, and then claiming this was not good gameplay to do so over extended periods, it is hardly a big jump to shorten and define it as grief play.
If the shoe fits, wear it.
Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata)
Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
Theodore Giumbix
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:55:00 -
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Nikk Narrel wrote:Theodore Giumbix wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:I am saddened by the fact that you have now used all the wild, desperate arguments: Claiming exploits, griefing, imbalance, unfairness, etc. An argument can't be desperate and I never used griefing argument. Better read what I write next time before REPLYING. You did not use the exact term, but you did imply it by description. Theodore Giumbix wrote:I think pathetic are those who do camp AFK in a game and I think they have a raelly low life in RL too. But this thread is not about who I consider being pathetic or not.
It's about EVE mechanics and that you should no be able to do anything in this game without sacrificing your RL TIME! that's all. It is true Teckos introduced the term first, but the context for it was provided by you. As you described a condition where another player was causing distress, and then claiming this was not good gameplay to do so over extended periods, it is hardly a big jump to shorten and define it as grief play. If the shoe fits, wear it.
Nope you got it all wrong.
Theodore Giumbix wrote:I have no problem with that hostile vessel being present in my system and being cloaky, I just want the pilot of that vessel to be at his PC while that vessel is cloaky in space, ...
As you see I have no problem with peoples flying cloaky ships in space and harassing other people 24/7 aka GRIEFERS. I do respect, like and sometimes even enjoy this type of gameplay.
We established earlier that a cloaky AFK pilot can not be called a GRIEFER, because by definition GRIEFER = "a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable", and AFK != "devotes much of his time".
So the last type of people I said I find pathetic not the GRIEFERS.
Some of you keep replying to my posts without even reading them properly just to troll me and spam in this thread and I think this kind of behavior is forbidden in this forum.
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Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc
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Posted - 2013.06.04 19:29:00 -
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Theodore Giumbix wrote:Nope you got it all wrong. Theodore Giumbix wrote:I have no problem with that hostile vessel being present in my system and being cloaky, I just want the pilot of that vessel to be at his PC while that vessel is cloaky in space, ... As you see I have no problem with peoples flying cloaky ships in space and harassing other people 24/7 aka GRIEFERS. I do respect, like and sometimes even enjoy this type of gameplay. We established earlier that a cloaky AFK pilot can not be called a GRIEFER, because by definition GRIEFER = "a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable", and AFK != "devotes much of his time". So the last type of people I said I find pathetic not the GRIEFERS. Some of you keep replying to my posts without even reading them properly just to troll me and spam in this thread and I think this kind of behavior is forbidden in this forum.
How weak of an argument is that?
What would you suggest is the solution to this? Would that be placing the equivalent of a timer on cloaked vessels?
How long would they have with no keystrokes before being flagged AFK and bounced?
Your argument is flawed from that direction too.
You cannot know they are not at their keyboard, you simply assume this since that is how you would expect them to behave under those circumstances.
And if you actually believe them if they tell you they are AFK, you should know I am AFK while posting this too.
And cloaked.
Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata)
Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
Jade III
Wolf Star Miners
7
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Posted - 2013.06.04 19:45:00 -
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Azrael Dinn wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Why would we sticky a topic about something that isn't even an issue Cause your stupid enough not the see an issue where there is an issue doesn't mean that there isn't an issue there. Yes make this sticky. People talk about it alot. It is a topic that raises over and over again meaning there is an issue here.
no, there are too many stickies on the first page. I don't want a few ideas by us pilots on the first page, I want alot.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
252
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Posted - 2013.06.04 22:17:00 -
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Heavy whipping cream in your coffee is awesome...and using a cloak to stay safe while going to make some is also awesome. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
252
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Posted - 2013.06.04 22:21:00 -
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Jade III wrote:Azrael Dinn wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Why would we sticky a topic about something that isn't even an issue Cause your stupid enough not the see an issue where there is an issue doesn't mean that there isn't an issue there. Yes make this sticky. People talk about it alot. It is a topic that raises over and over again meaning there is an issue here. no, there are too many stickies on the first page. I don't want a few ideas by us pilots on the first page, I want alot. You can ask CCP VERY NICELY to make this idea integrated in https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6342&find=unread that thread.
That thread is useless in regards to AFK Cloaking as it already has commonly proposed ideas regarding AFK Cloaking and people still post the same tired old arguments, often leading with:
Quote:I did a search, and couldn't find this idea on dealing with AFK cloaking.....
In fact, last thread I just read on it, it was a variation on the above,
Quote:I don't know if it has been proposed before...
I stopped there and replied, "Yes." Then I finished reading the post, went to google and straightaway found 2 threads proposing very similar ideas.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
252
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Posted - 2013.06.04 22:26:00 -
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Quote:Some of you keep replying to my posts without even reading them properly just to troll me and spam in this thread and I think this kind of behavior is forbidden in this forum.
Yo Kreskin...err Theodore.
My point in highlight the section from the policies section of the website was not really about grief play, but about the portion highlighting that Eve is a harsh and unforgiving place and that non-consensual PvP is a part of the game that is to be expected. Hence claims about AFK cloakers ruining your game are insufficient basis for demanding a change...one which CCP has already signalled they really will never make (i.e. nerfing cloaks given the present capabilities of local as an intel source). |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
14884
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Posted - 2013.06.05 13:20:00 -
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Found this cloaked on page 3. 
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc
Ex Cinere Scriptor
1812
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Posted - 2013.06.05 13:56:00 -
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Nobody puts baby in a corner!
Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata)
Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
270
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Posted - 2013.06.05 22:20:00 -
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Help, I've fallen to page 3 and can't get up! |
Omnathious Deninard
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1129
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Posted - 2013.06.06 10:51:00 -
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Back up top for you.
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
117
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Posted - 2013.06.06 10:58:00 -
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Only boobs belong on Page 3 and only in The Sun! Back you go to Page 1 you sexy beast of a thread you 
My Feature\Idea:-á Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee"
Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |
Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
274
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Posted - 2013.06.06 20:47:00 -
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I decloak for boobs. |
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
129
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Posted - 2013.06.06 20:52:00 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:I decloak for boobs.
And so say we all 
My Feature\Idea:-á Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee"
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Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.06.07 05:15:00 -
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For God's sake...coming up with something other than bump is rather tough at times... |
Astroniomix
Cryptic Meta-4
473
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Posted - 2013.06.07 06:39:00 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:For God's sake...coming up with something other than bump is rather tough at times...
Attach weather balloons to topic, watch it rise. |
Vicata Heth
black-body
Abandon Ships
46
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Posted - 2013.06.07 11:03:00 -
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Confirming I'm a cloaky camper who thinks cloaky camping is just a little bit OP. Really though, if you can't mine veldspar without being at the computer, why should you be able to harvest tears without being at the computer?
Hey, I use the mechanic. It's broken as **** though. |
OldWolf69
IR0N.
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
50
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Posted - 2013.06.07 11:51:00 -
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I fly mostly cloakers.
But i play.
Why would someone be able to win without playing?
We laugh, we troll... but someday it will happen. The horrid day when CCp will put a timer on cloak, and fat wanky nerds will learn there's life outside the game. We will see some suicides. CCP will also get best marketing: the negative one. Oh, do you guys think they don't have marketing plans? There's always a Blonde, and, yeah, always in Marketing Department. Oh, sorry...i forgot. Nerds only see blondes in specific pictures, and this makes them think those are mythological beasts, like the Monster Of Loch Ness. Nerds, you will learn one day: Blonde Monsters can hurt you. In time, it always happen. |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
14904
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Posted - 2013.06.07 14:05:00 -
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Vicata Heth wrote:Confirming I'm a cloaky camper who thinks cloaky camping is just a little bit OP. Really though, if you can't mine veldspar without being at the computer, why should you be able to harvest tears without being at the computer?
Hey, I use the mechanic. It's broken as **** though. But which mechanic are they actually using to, as you say, 'harvest' these tears?
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
The Volition Cult
401
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Posted - 2013.06.07 14:14:00 -
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EDITED - deleted pretty awful joke due to drunkenness. |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
14906
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Posted - 2013.06.07 14:32:00 -
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Tchulen wrote:EDITED - deleted pretty awful joke due to drunkenness. I doubt it was quite as bad, as the ideas linked in the OP. 
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.06.07 15:16:00 -
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OldWolf69 wrote:I fly mostly cloakers.
But i play.
Why would someone be able to win without playing?
How exactly do you "win". You can't do anything while in a cloaked ship and cloaked even if you are at the keyboard. How does being AFK make you able to win.
Curious minds want to know....
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Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
281
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Posted - 2013.06.07 15:16:00 -
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Tchulen wrote:EDITED - deleted pretty awful joke due to drunkenness.
Awww...
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Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
281
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Posted - 2013.06.07 15:19:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Vicata Heth wrote:Confirming I'm a cloaky camper who thinks cloaky camping is just a little bit OP. Really though, if you can't mine veldspar without being at the computer, why should you be able to harvest tears without being at the computer?
Hey, I use the mechanic. It's broken as **** though. But which mechanic are they actually using to, as you say, 'harvest' these tears?
Well, I can see they can't respond because it sure a **** isn't a cloaking device...well not entirely.... |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
The Volition Cult
403
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Posted - 2013.06.07 15:33:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Tchulen wrote:EDITED - deleted pretty awful joke due to drunkenness. I doubt it was quite as bad, as the ideas linked in the OP.
OldWolf69 wrote:Oh, do you guys think they don't have marketing plans? There's always a Blonde, and, yeah, always in Marketing Department.
Whilst I agree that it certainly won't have been as bad as the ideas linked in the OP (even though it really was bad) it was about the level of morals (or lack thereof) required to get into marketing and therefore, added with the general view of blondes having more "fun"..... well, you can probably see why it could have been seen as offensive by a subset of people. Blonde marketing people mostly, I expect. Especially when you consider I was considerably more drunk at lunch and considerably more lewd.
Edit - I should have just let that lie |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy
Caldari State
203
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Posted - 2013.06.07 16:01:00 -
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So how is afk cloaking and different than afk mining and why shouldnt it be changed like mining? |
Toshiro Hasegawa
The Circus Corp
Nulli Tertius
0
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Posted - 2013.06.07 16:14:00 -
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this whole debate is just another in a long string of such debates, going back to the beta, between "carebears" and aggresively pro pvp people.
one wants to mine / make isk free from intrusion, the other wants to be able to intrude on anyone at any time.
this could be applied to player pirating, ganking, warp scrambling, pos bashing, mining, rating, sov, PI, hauling, etc.. etc.. ad naseum. -- and really can be applied to any game that contains even an element of open pvp.
the more intelligent people see that some sort of balance has to be struck. people need to be able to go about their business without being destroyed every ten seconds, but there still has to be ways for people to destroy each other. CCP has found, over the years, a way to balance the myriad of player play styles, without caving into any one side, too much, for too long.
I fail to see why people could, withj a straight face, say that every single person who has a problem with AFK Cloakers (of the "all day in your system doing nothing but being there" variety) has nothing to complain about. Their complaints, and proposed solutions, might not be accurate or right for the game but they should not be belittled in the way they always have been by the aggresive types. These notions should be countered, not dismissed, and the posters should be educated to see the other side of the debate not ridiculed out of hand.
I realise this is a lot to expect from the posters on a forum dedicated to an online internet spaceship game.
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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1357
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Posted - 2013.06.07 16:19:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:So how is afk cloaking and different than afk mining and why shouldnt it be changed like mining?
AFK Mining results in in game resources being generated and put into your cargo hold which can be sold/used for profit
"AFK Cloaking" produces nothing. You gain nothing. Why are you rallying so hard against "AFK Cloakers" but not people who sit in their pos afk, or in their station afk? |
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