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Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.25 09:59:00 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:So y'all want some hard sci-fi? Some really realistic stuff?
Truth is all of these things like lasers, railguns, projectile weapons, missile launchers, armor, shields would be completely and utterly pointless to a society capable of light speed and FTL travel.
As soon as a society is capable of attaining light speed travel, a mass traveling at light speed is the be all and end all weapon. AKA a relativistic kill vehicle.
In the face of that, all these other sci-fi space toys are the equivalent of fighting a modern war with an atlatl and a sling. Or maybe just your fists and teeth.
A 1kg mass traveling at C will hit with the impact of 10.75 megatons. To reach the estimated yield of the 65 milion year ago asteroid, a mere 10 million kg (10,000 tonnes) is all that's required. Unfortunately nobody in EVE actually travels at the speed of light.
unless you're using jump drives ,or jump gates, which by the displacement/time definition. We are travelling FTL FFREEDOM!!!!! |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
71
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Posted - 2013.03.25 10:24:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Debora Tsung wrote: Unfortunately nobody in EVE actually travels at the speed of light.
unless you're using jump drives ,or jump gates, which by the displacement/time definition. We are travelling FTL
No, the Jump drive or stargate displaces Your ship. From starting point A to tartget destination B. Be it through an artificial wormhole or some other complicated mechanic is irrelevant, You do not move at the speed of light because You do not exist between those two points.
EDIT: Read as, You do not move at the speed of light, because, you do not move.
If You would actually travel someone could follow You or somehow discern were You are on Your travel between point A and B and intercept You. But that is not possible because You essentially do not exist until You rematerialize at point B, which happens instantaneously once the jump is initiated. Hence the word jump.
Also, the warp drive... Did I ever mention that I hate that thing? Some of the Ships in EVE actually move at the speed of a fast car. Yes, car as in four wheeled vehicle fueled by long dead animals and plants. -.-
But the warp drive, as someone else stated in this and numerous other threads, actually shortens the distance a ship has to travel by generating an isolated space time bubble... You can even warp through planets because the planet is essentially not where You are because it can't be because You've got Your own pocket of space time... o_O
So while it would seem that a warping ship is really fast, it is not. it's still as slow as before. only the distance between two points got shortened so much that it doesn't matter anymore. There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |
Athena Maldoran
Special Nymphs On A Mission
857
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Posted - 2013.03.25 10:54:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:
unless you're using jump drives ,or jump gates, which by the displacement/time definition. We are travelling FTL
And here i thougth we were traveling in a warp tunnel.. Wich gently slides open a hyperwindow and lets space on the outside swish by while we in reality are traveling at our normal jogging speed. Rats, how on earth can I ever play EvE again.. |
Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
837
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Posted - 2013.03.25 10:55:00 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:Debora Tsung wrote: Unfortunately nobody in EVE actually travels at the speed of light.
unless you're using jump drives ,or jump gates, which by the displacement/time definition. We are travelling FTL No, the Jump drive or stargate displaces Your ship. From starting point A to tartget destination B. Be it through an artificial wormhole or some other complicated mechanic is irrelevant, You do not move at the speed of light because You do not exist between those two points. If You would actually travel someone could follow You or somehow discern were You are on Your travel between point A and B and intercept You. But that is not possible because You essentially do not exist until You rematerialize at point B, which happens instantaneously once the jump is initiated. Hence the word jump. Also, the warp drive... Did I ever mention that I hate that thing? Some of the Ships in EVE actually move at the speed of a fast car. Yes, car as in four wheeled vehicle fueled by long dead animals and plants. -.- But the warp drive, as someone else stated in this and numerous other threads, actually shortens the distance a ship has to travel by generating an isolated space time bubble... You can even warp through planets because the planet is essentially not where You are because it can't be because You've got Your own pocket of space time... o_O So while it would seem that a warping ship is really fast, it is not. it's still as slow as before. only the distance between two points got shortened so much that it doesn't matter anymore.
Actually , no. The so called "jump gates" SOMEHOW catapults you across great distances . When we look at Evelopedia , it provides us with VERY little material to work on. However , considering how our ships disappear from the starting system and reappears in the destination system in the form of a flash. I'll say our ships were simply annihilated after our ship's quantum stated is transferred and reconstructed at a new destination. In such case , we are simply killing ourselves to be teleported lol Thats not what we are talking about.
Where we talk about Faster Than Light travel , we are talking about the physical movement of the entity while within the same frame of dimension as we are in. Thats why people looked at the proposed Einstein Rosen bridge or the string crossing. (Which in NO way can it be so dense as to have loads of them scattered conveniently around planets and allowing pilots to make safespot everywhere. ) Those systems simply ride on a wave to its destination. However , thats not what we are looking for either.
Which brings us to the one last proposal .
In which case if interpreted in the context of general relativity, allows a warp bubble to appear in previously-flat spacetime and move away at effectively-superluminal speed by giving the ship a negative energy density, and thats why we needed the "magical obsidian" as stated in the OP . We have NO idea what would that sort of matter do when it comes in contact with normal matter because we don't even know WHAT THE DUCK it is????
The Alcubierre Drive allows the user to exist in the same plane of space , and thus achieving physical transportation without leaping into another dimension and other silliness . YOU ARE indeed travelling through space.
Now only if CCP have a science department so we can stop speculating among ourselves lol FFREEDOM!!!!! |
Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
837
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Posted - 2013.03.25 10:57:00 -
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On a side note , how did a discussion on classical physics and Meteor Astronomy turn into one about warp drives? FFREEDOM!!!!! |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
71
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Posted - 2013.03.25 11:04:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote: Now only if CCP have a science department so we can stop speculating among ourselves lol
I second that. some of the stuff happening in EVE is driving me nuts.
There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |
Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
837
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Posted - 2013.03.25 11:06:00 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote: Now only if CCP have a science department so we can stop speculating among ourselves lol I second that. some of the stuff happening in EVE is driving me nuts.
yeah lol. For example , what is a planck generator?? How is a ship carrying more than its volume ? blah blah blah "Notify You cannot place a Planck generator container within another Planck generator, as it will cause a graviton harmonics chain reaction whose end cannot be determined." FFREEDOM!!!!! |
iskflakes
365
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Posted - 2013.03.25 11:08:00 -
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I am, as usual, distressed at the lack of any physics behind CCP's space games. What do they teach you in Iceland? Certainly not how to estimate crater sizes or decaying-orbital trajectory parameters, that's for sure. - |
Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
837
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Posted - 2013.03.25 11:12:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:I am, as usual, distressed at the lack of any physics behind CCP's space games. What do they teach you in Iceland? Certainly not how to estimate crater sizes or decaying-orbital trajectory parameters, that's for sure. 2 MILLION KILOMETERS METER SQUARED OF DESTRUCTION!?
wut wut ? Its in damn free fall , how is it spreading so far apart???
And to make matter worse , how is a GEO orbit titan falling back down to the planet within a day? FFREEDOM!!!!! |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
71
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Posted - 2013.03.25 11:39:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:iskflakes wrote:I am, as usual, distressed at the lack of any physics behind CCP's space games. What do they teach you in Iceland? Certainly not how to estimate crater sizes or decaying-orbital trajectory parameters, that's for sure. 2 MILLION KILOMETERS METER SQUARED OF DESTRUCTION!?wut wut ? Its in damn free fall , how is it spreading so far apart??? And to make matter worse , how is a GEO orbit titan falling back down to the planet within a day?
The explosion happened right in the center of the titan, so while one end was propelled in the general direction of the planet, the other end is now drifting through open space. :P
But srsly, only 2 million Km^2? Styrophoam titan... o_O There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |
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Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
838
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Posted - 2013.03.25 11:55:00 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:iskflakes wrote:I am, as usual, distressed at the lack of any physics behind CCP's space games. What do they teach you in Iceland? Certainly not how to estimate crater sizes or decaying-orbital trajectory parameters, that's for sure. 2 MILLION KILOMETERS METER SQUARED OF DESTRUCTION!?wut wut ? Its in damn free fall , how is it spreading so far apart??? And to make matter worse , how is a GEO orbit titan falling back down to the planet within a day? The explosion happened right in the center of the titan, so while one end was propelled in the general direction of the planet, the other end is now drifting through open space. :P But srsly, only 2 million Km^2? Styrophoam titan... o_O
Explosion???? Did you even see the titan go down??
The entire thing was in ONE SINGLE piece . There was no SUPER DUPER spine breaking explosion. The thing just suddenly decided it didn't want to be a titan any more and it wanted to become swiss cheese .
That leaves us with the only one conclusion. The titan broke up during reentry and was scattered around like pollen FFREEDOM!!!!! |
stoicfaux
2554
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Posted - 2013.03.25 12:11:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Explosion???? Did you even see the titan go down??The entire thing was in ONE SINGLE piece . There was no SUPER DUPER spine breaking explosion. The thing just suddenly decided it didn't want to be a titan any more and it wanted to become swiss cheese . That leaves us with the only one conclusion. The titan broke up during reentry and was scattered around like pollen News reports about what happened to the Titan: http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?of=true&newsTitle=widespread-destruction-hampers-caldari-prime-relief-effort
http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?of=true&newsTitle=shiigeru-destroyed-federation-navy-offensive-in-luminaire-still-ongoing-1
http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?of=true&newsTitle=shiigeru-wreckage-impacts-caldari-prime-surface-situation-unclear-1
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Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
71
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Posted - 2013.03.25 12:38:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Debora Tsung wrote: The explosion happened right in the center of the titan, so while one end was propelled in the general direction of the planet, the other end is now drifting through open space. :P
But srsly, only 2 million Km^2? Styrophoam titan... o_O Explosion???? Did you even see the titan go down??The entire thing was in ONE SINGLE piece . There was no SUPER DUPER spine breaking explosion. The thing just suddenly decided it didn't want to be a titan any more and it wanted to become swiss cheese . That leaves us with the only one conclusion. The titan broke up during reentry and was scattered around like pollen
Dang, I had so hoped to be funny. -.-
I honestly thought it was just a piece that came down, as there's only a part of it visible. the other part is... stuck somewhere, or just plain gone. I guess. :/ There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4475
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Posted - 2013.03.25 21:07:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Darth Nenny wrote:OK, just putting my 2 bob's worth here, id use SUVAT equations 2 work this out s = distance (metres, m) u = initial velocity (metres per second, ms^-1) v = final velocity (metres per second, ms^-1) a = acceleration (metres per second squared, ms^-2) t = time (seconds, s) the equations as follows v = u + at s = ut + 1/2at^2 s = vt - 1/2at^2 v^2 = u^2 + 2as s = ((u + v)/2)t
OK, lets make a few assumptions, S= 1,000 k's so its 1,000,000 m U= 0mps due 2 a standing start, it wasn't falling from the sky, it was flying under power above the planet before we start our equations V= we don't know yet A= we can assume its 10.3mps thanks 2 a previous post if he is correct (i hope he is) T= we don't know how long it took so we will have 2 work it out
S = UT - 1/2AT^2 as we know all but T and V, do the equation to find out T then do one of the others 2 work out V then we can then work out how much force N (newtons) the titan hit the planet at, its easy enough 2 work that out into megajoules or whatever measurement of energy you want to use after that. FYI the reason i haven't done the equation 4 you is due 2 the fact that i cant remember how to do said equation, its been 15 years since i did physics in high school and i really cant work it out.... maybe I've drank 2 much booze since then lol. also there is a equation u can use 2 work out the gravity of both objects and the time it would take for them to come together excluding all other factors, but I'm yet to remember that on so u guys are on ya own from here on.
dam my head hurts now :P good luck
Darth nenny
edit 2 fix a small error AH-HA! I FOUND IT! COMPLETE caldari prime geological and gravitational data : Well.. not really complete , but its a NICE start. Attributes Planet TypePlanet (Temperate) Density1467990 kg/m-¦ Eccentricity0.014 Escape Velocity12.248 km/s Mass Dust6.445e+24 kg Mass Gas8.734e+24 kg Orbit Period3785.4 days Orbit Radius5.181 AU Pressure21.12 kPa Radius13,503 km Surface Gravity7.618 m/s-¦ Temperature297.00 KAlright then, the planet mass would then by approximately (Neglecting the Equatorial bulge since I am in a state of Apple CIder induced "cannot be arsed"), but here , if you feel like it . Do it m-ë2rsin-å=GêÆmg(1/r)(dr/d-å) r(0)GêÆr(-Ç/2)Gëê[(-ë^2)(r-»^2)]/g-» Kudos to Kepler planet mass (M) = 2.0816437768816E+25 kilogram GEO orbit radius from surface = 13504.618km If some of ya love integration , you would get a MUCH more accurate result than mine . The following would be slighly overestimating the effects , but meh. The titan would impact earth at 14343.88176192205 ms-1 (14.3kms^-1) Considering it was a vertical drop , the sphere of debris would be well within that of a small country , so lets say The KE of the impact would be around 249982536960Megajoules = 59.747260267686 megaton of TNT . Well.. then .. That isn't so bad after all .. If the magical fusion core doesn't explode
Caldari use gravimetric cores, whole reason why cal navy uses gravity sensors.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4475
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Posted - 2013.03.25 21:07:00 -
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silly double post.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8297
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Posted - 2013.03.25 21:09:00 -
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Gallente ships use magnetometric sensors. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4475
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Posted - 2013.03.25 21:09:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Gallente ships use magnetometric sensors.
I am pretty sure caldari ships use magentic senros because of the gallente ion cores.
Similar how how minmatar use ladar and amarr uses radar.
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Arronicus
vintas industries Mistakes Were Made.
396
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Posted - 2013.03.25 23:30:00 -
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Did noone else notice that op based all his calculations...
on the wrong planet, in the wrong solar system, IN THE WRONG REGION?
Op used New Caldari Prime, of System New Caldari
However, the leviathan crashed on Caldari Prime (Luminaire VII) of System Luminaire
Time to throw out all your calculations OP, and redo them. |
Primary This Rifter
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2013.03.25 23:36:00 -
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We also shot the wreck, so it shouldn't be there anyway. ;) Yes, I'm an alt. Congratulations. |
Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
840
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Posted - 2013.03.26 01:01:00 -
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Wait wit ??????
NOOOOOOoooooooooo FFREEDOM!!!!! |
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Steve Spooner
Mordu's Military Industrial Command Circle-Of-Two
6
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Posted - 2013.03.26 02:08:00 -
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What of the fuel, ammo, and the fact that the Titan contains within it a million Gigajoules that will go kaplfumnt. |
Grendel Sickswitch
22
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Posted - 2013.03.26 02:41:00 -
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are people taking into account drag in the atmosphere in their calculations? would a massive object have a large drag acting in opposition to gravity? |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4475
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Posted - 2013.03.26 02:47:00 -
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Well the titan fell in rear end first, the exhaust ports may provide some counter thrust too.
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Arronicus
vintas industries Mistakes Were Made.
397
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Posted - 2013.03.26 02:53:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Wait wit ?????? NOOOOOOoooooooooo
Lol. Still can't believe noone else noticed. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1217
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Posted - 2013.03.26 02:56:00 -
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And for the record, two million kilometers is just a we bit more than Mexico.
Live Events are neither. |
Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
845
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Posted - 2013.03.26 04:07:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:And for the record, two million kilometers is just a we bit more than Mexico.
The largest crater on Earth is no bigger than Texas.... FFREEDOM!!!!! |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
287
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Posted - 2013.03.26 04:10:00 -
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I webbed it before it hit the ground.
That's why the planet didn't break in half.
I'll accept isk as thanks.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Arronicus
vintas industries Mistakes Were Made.
397
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Posted - 2013.03.26 06:39:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:I webbed it before it hit the ground.
That's why the planet didn't break in half.
I'll accept isk as thanks.
Your statis webifier failed to act on a super-capital class ship. However, should it have activated, despite not having any noticable effect on the titan, I imagine your ship would have been ripped to pieces. |
Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
845
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Posted - 2013.03.26 06:42:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:I webbed it before it hit the ground.
That's why the planet didn't break in half.
I'll accept isk as thanks.
Your statis webifier failed to act on a super-capital class ship. However, should it have activated, despite not having any noticable effect on the titan, I imagine your ship would have been ripped to pieces.
well considering the webifier essentially just extended the space time fabric around the ship so the relative distance that it fell is much longer than observed blah de blah de blah blab blah blah.
The science of EvE is so soft I can feel it dripping out of my ears FFREEDOM!!!!! |
Sobach
Fourth Circle
100
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Posted - 2013.03.26 13:03:00 -
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Here's some statement on the titan by CCP Falcon in the live event channel:
[12:56:29] CCP Falcon > For reference [12:56:41] CCP Falcon > Half a Leviathan is close to 7km [12:56:45] CCP Falcon > and it's also hollow [12:57:06] CCP Falcon > and extremely light weight, in comparison to an asteroid [12:57:09] CCP Falcon > also, it broke up |
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