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Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
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Posted - 2013.03.26 13:07:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Malcanis wrote:Gallente ships use magnetometric sensors. I am pretty sure caldari ships use magentic senros because of the gallente ion cores. Similar how how minmatar use ladar and amarr uses radar. /me does ingame lookups... because we know how innaccurate eve-wiki is from time to time.
Caldari ships use gravisomething sensors. o_O There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |
Pantiy
Corporate Scum Test Friends Please Ignore
55
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Posted - 2013.03.26 13:09:00 -
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nerds gonna nerd ~|~(~-á (~~|~-á-á -á |-á-á (__)-á-á-á |
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Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
214
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Posted - 2013.03.26 13:17:00 -
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It seems to me nobody here reads the news:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/shiigeru-wreckage-impacts-caldari-prime-surface-situation-unclear-1/
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/widespread-destruction-hampers-caldari-prime-relief-effort/
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/caldari-prime-relief-effort-continues-ishukone-request-access-to-devastated-planet/
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/ishukone-access-to-caldari-prime-approved-full-negotiations-still-ongoing/
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/dust-begins-to-clear-full-extent-of-shiigeru-impact-now-clear/
So, the ship fell apart, wreckage split and showered across an area the size of Mexico, with main part hitting into mountains and still shattering windows and destroying several high rise structures in a city 700 km away, intense atmospheric decontamination of dust particles was going on for three days before the actual situation on the ground could have been assessed, at which point it was determined that the ship actually cracked the planetary mantle where it struck and the site would continue to bur for decades.
I don't know about you, but that sounds about right to me. :) |
LittleTerror
Illuminated Foundation Trust
33
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Posted - 2013.03.26 13:28:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:hmmm speaking of light speed , here is an interesting thought. Would you even be able to see the projectile before it hits?
The projectile itself is already travelling at 99.99999999999999% C, light can go no faster . So when you see it , it already has hit.
Makes you wonder why did they even invent the railgun or are still using missiles.
which is the reason nothing in the game is able to use weapons at those speeds |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1129
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Posted - 2013.03.26 14:39:00 -
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Grendel Sickswitch wrote:are people taking into account drag in the atmosphere in their calculations? would a massive object have a large drag acting in opposition to gravity? For an object that massive, even if not terribly dense, drag will only serve to heat it up - But it won't slow it down appreciably.
I'm entertained by all the folks trying to assign numbers in the absence of really meaningful details.
2M KM^2 is a LOT of land. It's an appropriate approximation, based on all the unknowns - Actual density, fragments, contents of fragments, fires started by debris, shockwave damage and fires secondary to the shockwave, etc.
Chicxulub, this is not. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
845
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Posted - 2013.03.26 14:41:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Grendel Sickswitch wrote:are people taking into account drag in the atmosphere in their calculations? would a massive object have a large drag acting in opposition to gravity? For an object that massive, even if not terribly dense, drag will only serve to heat it up - But it won't slow it down appreciably. I'm entertained by all the folks trying to assign numbers in the absence of really meaningful details. 2M KM^2 is a LOT of land. It's an appropriate approximation, based on all the unknowns - Actual density, fragments, contents of fragments, fires started by debris, shockwave damage and fires secondary to the shockwave, etc. Chicxulub, this is not.
Do you happen to be a Metero Astrologist lol?
Try adapting this programm for our occasion . Lets see what would be the realistic effect of such a collision FFREEDOM!!!!! |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1129
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Posted - 2013.03.26 14:48:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:silens vesica wrote:Grendel Sickswitch wrote:are people taking into account drag in the atmosphere in their calculations? would a massive object have a large drag acting in opposition to gravity? For an object that massive, even if not terribly dense, drag will only serve to heat it up - But it won't slow it down appreciably. I'm entertained by all the folks trying to assign numbers in the absence of really meaningful details. 2M KM^2 is a LOT of land. It's an appropriate approximation, based on all the unknowns - Actual density, fragments, contents of fragments, fires started by debris, shockwave damage and fires secondary to the shockwave, etc. Chicxulub, this is not. Do you happen to be a Metero Astrologist lol? Try adapting this programm for our occasion . Lets see what would be the realistic effect of such a collision One of my favorites. Problem in this case being - The information required by the detail fields are speculative, at best. ANYthing we fill in will be random speculation, so will produce meaningless results.
What is the acceleration based upon the local gravity field? What is the density of the hull? Orientation? Mass? Initial velocity? What energetic components are present in the falling wreck? What energy densities will they present? How will they impact the various initial conditions as the wreck falls? What is the depth and density of atmosphere? Composition and topology of terrain at ground zero? Flamibility and density of flora and structures surrounding impact zone?
Just not enough information. Simpler and just as accurate to simply take CCP's word for it. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Ager Agemo
Imperial Collective
251
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Posted - 2013.03.26 14:56:00 -
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so how large is the crater compared to that one in mexico that made the dinosaurs go kaput? |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1129
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Posted - 2013.03.26 15:01:00 -
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Ager Agemo wrote:so how large is the crater compared to that one in mexico that made the dinosaurs go kaput? Tiny. As I asid above - This is not Chicxulub (the K-T Event).
Still bigger than your typical small town, though. Hope the locals had titanium umbrellas.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
845
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Posted - 2013.03.26 15:07:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:silens vesica wrote:Grendel Sickswitch wrote:are people taking into account drag in the atmosphere in their calculations? would a massive object have a large drag acting in opposition to gravity? For an object that massive, even if not terribly dense, drag will only serve to heat it up - But it won't slow it down appreciably. I'm entertained by all the folks trying to assign numbers in the absence of really meaningful details. 2M KM^2 is a LOT of land. It's an appropriate approximation, based on all the unknowns - Actual density, fragments, contents of fragments, fires started by debris, shockwave damage and fires secondary to the shockwave, etc. Chicxulub, this is not. Do you happen to be a Metero Astrologist lol? Try adapting this programm for our occasion . Lets see what would be the realistic effect of such a collision One of my favorites. Problem in this case being - The information required by the detail fields are speculative, at best. ANYthing we fill in will be random speculation, so will produce meaningless results. What is the acceleration based upon the local gravity field? What is the density of the hull? Orientation? Mass? Initial velocity? What energetic components are present in the falling wreck? What energy densities will they present? How will they impact the various initial conditions as the wreck falls? What is the depth and density of atmosphere? Composition and topology of terrain at ground zero? Flamibility and density of flora and structures surrounding impact zone? Just not enough information. Simpler and just as accurate to simply take CCP's word for it.
well considering we already have the local gravity field at surface is 7.618 and the radius of the planet. Kepler pretty much did all the maths for us . The density can be calculated by dividing the volume over mass . The mass of leviathan is given . The orbit radius is already calculated . The atmosphere depth is know and the composition can be assumed to be Earth like since it can support carbon based life similar to ours. The terrain is seen to be used to be a mountain range similar to the alps. Which in the programme , Sedimentary rocks has been chosen , however if you ask me I'll say its more on the granite spectrum of things. Ice and rock isn't very flammable . so yeah The initial relative velocity is zero since .. well... its GEO and some magic caused it to fall back to Caldari prime.
So far , the crater is simply calculated assuming all the KE are transferred into thermal and KE towards the local impact site. We have NO idea how will tritanium react at that temperature , will they reach critical temperature and fusion? What happened to the ammo cache? How will the gravimetric core powered by matter with negative energy density react ?
NOW those , are questions that need to be answered.
FFREEDOM!!!!! |
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Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
845
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Posted - 2013.03.26 15:08:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Ager Agemo wrote:so how large is the crater compared to that one in mexico that made the dinosaurs go kaput? Tiny. As I asid above - This is not Chicxulub (the K-T Event). Still bigger than your typical small town, though. Hope the locals had titanium umbrellas*. *That way, there might be enough tissue left to perform a DNA-check on the deceased.
well if we ONLY take into account of the KE , sure its tiny. Just a mere 56 megaton of TNT , but what we are ignoring is what will happen to the ship's component? FFREEDOM!!!!! |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1129
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Posted - 2013.03.26 15:26:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:silens vesica wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:silens vesica wrote:Grendel Sickswitch wrote:are people taking into account drag in the atmosphere in their calculations? would a massive object have a large drag acting in opposition to gravity? For an object that massive, even if not terribly dense, drag will only serve to heat it up - But it won't slow it down appreciably. I'm entertained by all the folks trying to assign numbers in the absence of really meaningful details. 2M KM^2 is a LOT of land. It's an appropriate approximation, based on all the unknowns - Actual density, fragments, contents of fragments, fires started by debris, shockwave damage and fires secondary to the shockwave, etc. Chicxulub, this is not. Do you happen to be a Metero Astrologist lol? Try adapting this programm for our occasion . Lets see what would be the realistic effect of such a collision One of my favorites. Problem in this case being - The information required by the detail fields are speculative, at best. ANYthing we fill in will be random speculation, so will produce meaningless results. What is the acceleration based upon the local gravity field? What is the density of the hull? Orientation? Mass? Initial velocity? What energetic components are present in the falling wreck? What energy densities will they present? How will they impact the various initial conditions as the wreck falls? What is the depth and density of atmosphere? Composition and topology of terrain at ground zero? Flamibility and density of flora and structures surrounding impact zone? Just not enough information. Simpler and just as accurate to simply take CCP's word for it. well considering we already have the local gravity field at surface is 7.618 and the radius of the planet. Kepler pretty much did all the maths for us . The density can be calculated by dividing the volume over mass . The mass of leviathan is given . The orbit radius is already calculated . The atmosphere depth is know and the composition can be assumed to be Earth like since it can support carbon based life similar to ours. The terrain is seen to be used to be a mountain range similar to the alps. Which in the programme , Sedimentary rocks has been chosen , however if you ask me I'll say its more on the granite spectrum of things. Ice and rock isn't very flammable . so yeah The initial relative velocity is zero since .. well... its GEO and some magic caused it to fall back to Caldari prime. So far , the crater is simply calculated assuming all the KE are transferred into thermal and KE towards the local impact site. We have NO idea how will tritanium react at that temperature , will they reach critical temperature and fusion? What happened to the ammo cache? How will the gravimetric core powered by matter with negative energy density react ? NOW those , are questions that need to be answered. Yuo're assuming that the density and mass numbers are accurate. They are at best rough approximations. We do not, cannot know how much mass actually re-entered as one contiguous mass. So the approximations become even more tenuous.
I'll also note that most of the density numbers are suspiciously high, and none have taken into account presentation aspect of the falling hull. IOW, what side was 'down' as it fell? Or was it tumbling? For any given mass, sectional denisty can vary wildly depending on presentation of the projectile. This isn't an undifferentiated ball - It's a roughly rectangular volume. What side hit first?
You're also ignoring the unknowns of the energy sources aboard (weapons, capaciters, accumulation banks, flammable consumables, etc.), and how they'll react to being treated rudely, plus things like break-up in mid-fall, and one that seems to have largely been missed - Crumpling. How much energy has been disapated in the collapse of the hull on impact? This is a major consideration and one for which there are absolutely no numbers.
Nope. Not enough details to even 'SWAG' it with any confidence. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1129
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Posted - 2013.03.26 15:27:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:silens vesica wrote:Ager Agemo wrote:so how large is the crater compared to that one in mexico that made the dinosaurs go kaput? Tiny. As I asid above - This is not Chicxulub (the K-T Event). Still bigger than your typical small town, though. Hope the locals had titanium umbrellas*. *That way, there might be enough tissue left to perform a DNA-check on the deceased. well if we ONLY take into account of the KE , sure its tiny. Just a mere 56 megaton of TNT , but what we are ignoring is what will happen to the ship's component? No one knows. And no one can know - Not enough information.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
845
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Posted - 2013.03.26 15:28:00 -
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Thats the best I could do with the information I have . Thats why I needed MOAR GEEKS with their specialties to tell us what would the effects realistically be ? FFREEDOM!!!!! |
Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
845
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Posted - 2013.03.27 02:51:00 -
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AH_HA!!!! THE QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED!! FFREEDOM!!!!! |
Pavel Lemmont
World Forge Industries Severasse Militarized Mining Union
1
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Posted - 2013.03.27 03:56:00 -
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Don't forget that the angular velocity and the inclination entry plays a big factor and you-¦re not taking in account the atmosphere density volume and also the planet rotational speed , those are extremely important factors to calculate the amount of energy ant the continental crest |
Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
845
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Posted - 2013.03.27 04:05:00 -
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Pavel Lemmont wrote:Don't forget that the angular velocity and the inclination entry plays a big factor and you-¦re not taking in account the atmosphere density volume and also the planet rotational speed , those are extremely important factors to calculate the amount of energy ant the continental crest
Its zero , IF its in GEO If its not , and its orbiting at sub GEO altitude and wasting fuel , then I have no idea how high it is or what is the relative angular velocity FFREEDOM!!!!! |
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