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Taoist Dragon
The Church of Awesome
306
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Posted - 2013.03.25 20:49:00 -
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Farmer control the WZ always have, alway will.
PVP'ers want a GF not to spin a button for hours on end. This IMO is how it should be.
BUT
The ease in which LP can be converted to isk mean that most of the farmers don't care about the WZ or what faction they are fiighting for. The LP tiers should follow the shp tiers i.e be removed. Have the warzone control status bar be counded by the number of systems capped not counting system upgrade. System upgrades can still be used as it would allow the militia to upgrade there home systems to be usefull for ancillary isk making etc. Give all plexes the standard LP rewards for both offensive and defensive.
This would mitigate some of the farming hordes but still allow the dedicated FW players to make enough isk to fund their gameplay. Removal of the teirs would stop the snowball effect (it can be countered as already shown but takes huge effort and risk major burnout) that currently happens and make the wz a more dynamic place.
Also the racial backstory shouldn't be discounted. The slaving while supremsists v the subjecated tribal freedom fighters. If I ddin't like fighting completely outnumbered I would have joined minnies myself (that and my minnie/gal standing were crap before I started FW) That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything. |
Arkenai Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
535
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Posted - 2013.03.25 23:02:00 -
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I feel sorry for you people in the Amarr militia. I also have more respect for you than the other militias because it seems to me you're more likely to actually fight. |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
156
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Posted - 2013.03.26 00:08:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote: When Amarr advances I don't see the same surge in numbers. The reason I created this post was simple: Why?
maybe cos u have irratating cockbags like fweddit acting like 2 year old children it puts alot of people off GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
Taoist Dragon
The Church of Awesome
309
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Posted - 2013.03.26 00:13:00 -
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ALUCARD 1208 wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote: When Amarr advances I don't see the same surge in numbers. The reason I created this post was simple: Why?
maybe cos u have irratating cockbags like fweddit acting like 2 year old children it puts alot of people off
All the militias have irratating cockbags acting like 2yr old in them...... That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything. |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
156
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Posted - 2013.03.26 00:44:00 -
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only with fweddit you get a swarm of them in local its fun to watch sometimes but can see how off putting it can be to some people GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1612
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Posted - 2013.03.26 04:09:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote:Farmer control the WZ always have, alway will. unless the mechanics are adjusted. Like it happened several times already, and it made the situation better with every adjustment. Nobody is asking to redesign the system since this is not realistic, the train left with retribution. a eve-style bounty system (done)-á dust boarding parties You fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
164
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Posted - 2013.03.26 05:07:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote:ALUCARD 1208 wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote: When Amarr advances I don't see the same surge in numbers. The reason I created this post was simple: Why?
maybe cos u have irratating cockbags like fweddit acting like 2 year old children it puts alot of people off All the militias have irratating cockbags acting like 2yr old in them......
They take pride in being them... there is a difference. |
Xolve
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1340
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Posted - 2013.03.26 06:43:00 -
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Dash Bishop wrote:Amarr: Slave-owning, hood wearing religious zealots...they're the K.K.K. of New Eden. The characters are ugly and the ships aren't much better. And people wonder why they're unpopular? Really? Just taking a wild stab in the dark, but I would guess in terms of overall popularity:
- Caldari
- Gallente
- Minmatar
- Amarr
And this is based on character looks only. Ship designs probably play a small part in that too, but you can change what ships you fly. You can't change being an ugly toon.
I'm not delving through 4 pages of drivel, but maybe by now you may have realized that what race your character is has no implication whatsoever on which militia you join. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Colt Blackhawk
Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
90
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Posted - 2013.03.26 08:28:00 -
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Quote:i meant when amarr were pushing those systems a few weeks ago and went to t3-4 the amarr victor crys were there same with the caldari(were they not taken in same way?) now its swung bk its broke again....
and i have stated im for rollbacks on multiple threads
Tbh the amarr T3 was meant only for a quick morale boost. No one thought it would take longer than 4h until we would be down to T2 again. What nobody expected: 4 million farmers joined us and we had T3 maybe 3 or 4 weeks. We lost completely influence on that :D |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
549
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Posted - 2013.03.26 13:08:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:... the train left with retribution. Truth brings sadness. If only the peasants had looked the gift horse in the mouth rather than being dazzled by the prospect of infinite faction LP .. call to arms was given immediately after that FF roundtable presentation but majority had their hands full trying to stay afloat in the flood of saliva they generated
Xolve wrote:I'm not delving through 4 pages of drivel, ... How do you know it is drivel if you don't read it :scratcheshead:
The list is accurate as the massive lump from before character generation was homogenized still dominates the numbers. Caldari started with at least twice the raw population of the other militia's due to missile using mission runners/alts with State standings being the only positive. Even now, you can quickly get excluded from joining other militias if you linger too long in the general vicinity of your spawning due to standing conflicts .. so technically correct, but practically wrong |
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JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
75
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Posted - 2013.03.26 17:06:00 -
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ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
maybe cos u have irratating cockbags
Stopped reading at 'cockbags' |
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
38
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Posted - 2013.03.26 17:37:00 -
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I'm sorry, is this Zarnaks' whinethread where he has to approve my solo kill ratio before i'm allowed to poast?
Because i'd love to poast in this thread. pew pew |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
332
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Posted - 2013.03.26 17:38:00 -
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What is this cockbag you all speak of? Oh wait...
JAF Anders wrote:ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
maybe cos u have irratating cockbags
Stopped reading at 'cockbags'
derp? |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
1094
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Posted - 2013.03.26 18:44:00 -
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Zen Guerrilla wrote:I'm sorry, is this Zarnaks' whinethread where he has to approve my solo kill ratio before i'm allowed to poast?
Because i'd love to poast in this thread.
As you do more then make the coffee and give happy-ending massages at Arzad station you should feel free to comment. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1220
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Posted - 2013.03.26 21:49:00 -
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ALUCARD 1208 wrote:maybe cos u have irratating cockbags
Stopped reading here... Been searching online for the meaning of "irratating", can't find it. Assuming poster is either a) an RPer or b) illiterate. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
158
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Posted - 2013.03.26 23:50:00 -
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or maybe c) tired as fk after just coming off a 12hr shift and maybe a little intoxicated too
and what does RP have to do with me mispelling a word... am i missing something here? GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
Mitch Taylor
Dark-Rising
32
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Posted - 2013.03.27 00:17:00 -
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Amarr has some great FC's leading decent fleets about, some great solo PVP'rs giving our boys a run for their money & a healthy ace in the hole in their USTZ coverage courtesy of FWEDDIT.
I would suggest you get out there and socialise a bit, find out whos doing what you enjoy and get stuck in. The game has always been about freedom and co-operation.
If you refer to Dark joining Minmatar as the 250+ gal corp, we have nothing like 250 actual pilots and a good portion of those are beta players, bored out of their minds and playing Sim City.
Keep your chin up.
DARKRISING |
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
212
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Posted - 2013.03.27 17:08:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:What people want is for the offensive timers to run back down in home systems. The defensive timers should stay where they are at. Why not just make it part of the system upgrades? At upgrade lvl x the timers start to roll back...
Do you even think about what you write before you write it? Timer rollback idea is crappy from the start but the idea of linking it to system upgrade level would make it totally impossible for the underdogs to ever turn the table.
Plus I can practically guarantee that if it were implemented today, the first thing that would happen is minmatar would push all or most of metro to lvl 5 (or whatever level you would want it to be to trigger the rollback) and all you amarr would come to the forum crying like little girls that CCP just returned metro to being this invincible minmatar stronghold and it's clearly favouritism against the amarr and WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH! |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1176
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Posted - 2013.03.27 17:11:00 -
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Doesn't fewer active players translate into more targets and higher FW LP store prices? |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
1098
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Posted - 2013.03.27 18:05:00 -
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Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote:What people want is for the offensive timers to run back down in home systems. The defensive timers should stay where they are at. Why not just make it part of the system upgrades? At upgrade lvl x the timers start to roll back... Do you even think about what you write before you write it? Timer rollback idea is crappy from the start but the idea of linking it to system upgrade level would make it totally impossible for the underdogs to ever turn the table. Plus I can practically guarantee that if it were implemented today, the first thing that would happen is minmatar would push all or most of metro to lvl 5 (or whatever level you would want it to be to trigger the rollback) and all you amarr would come to the forum crying like little girls that CCP just returned metro to being this invincible minmatar stronghold and it's clearly favouritism against the amarr and WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!
You're silly. This made me laugh.
You could be tier 5 right now! Do it! Do it now!! What are you waiting for?!? Surely the farmers will dedicate to your glorious cause this time?!? The tax rate be damned. Maybe you can ask the same few souls to support the many one more time. No?
Also - 65+ systems to plex. If you log into Eve for longer then half an hour a day I hear you can learn what corps live where and what time zone they are prevalent in too!
I'd take that deal. I'd take it with a smile. |
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Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance 24eme Legion Etrangere
58
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Posted - 2013.03.29 14:03:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:Every time you use your meh kb stats to argue with someone you look like a ****** and it invalidates your argument even further. Just a bit of advice. Zarnak Wulf wrote:Merely Runaway wrote:The Amarr just need to get their act together, stop whinging on the forums, run some decent fleets and get recruiting.
My 3 year old whinges less and, surprise surprise, has more friends than the Amarr. March Totals: You - 19 kills, one solo Me - 286 kills, 104 solo Follow your own advice.
It may be possible that he isn't a basement dweller.
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1250
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Posted - 2013.03.30 02:11:00 -
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David Devant wrote:It seems daft, but I honestly think that Zarnak's point 3 (i.e. RP reasons around white supremacy) really shouldn't be underestimated. People who play this game generally have reasonable IQs and (in my experience) are rarely facist pigs and don't want to pretend to be one either.
It might be helpful if the story actually evolved rather than staying so static. The empress Jamyl has done a pretty crap job of leading her people. Maybe there could be some reform on the cards? Some mention of terrible Minmatar atrocities.
I know the vast majority will say that they don't care about this sort of thing but actually the 4 race model is sort of a personality test and in my experience players often conform to it.
Exactly. Figure that basically 90+% of all players come from USA or Europe. Capitalist democracies by and large. And like all other governments on Earth they indoctrinate their youth from day one with the notion that Our Way Is Best And Only Way For The World. Then they carefully edit history to make themselves into shining stars and everyone else look bad.
What these obedient little drones don't do is look outside their own tiny windows at the scope of history or the size of the planet that they live on. When people, especially Americans, think of slavery they only think of their own tarnished history and, like all good little practitioners of White Guilt, make a big hum-do about opposing it.
Meanwhile, back in the rest of human existence... the pyramids weren't build by union workers with great health benefits, yet no one minds taking billions of photos of them and saying "wow that's cool." The Roman Empire took slaves a tribute in all their conquests. You know, Rome, the "Greatest Western Civilization?" And oh yeah, all those big democracy fans might want to read up on the slave-based economy of the "Birthplace of Democracy," Ancient Greece.
And it never stopped, either. The Barbary States enslaved untold numbers of white Europeans in their time. The Spanish were not the first people to start enslaving people in the New World, either: The local tribal nations (Aztecs come to mind) had been doing it to each other for untold centuries before ever laying eyes a pale face.
Even today human trafficking still rages on all over the world. The only difference is that now they're more subtle about it, but there's no shortage of fat, old English chaps flying over to Thailand on a daily basis to take advantage of the uncountable number of underage sex slaves over there. And speaking of sex slaves, do I even need to mention Russia? Or the very idea of "Mail Order Brides?" Heck, look at the USA's own Founding Fathers. Are you, Mr.Patriot, going to tell me that they were unforgivably evil people because, oh yeah, they all happened to be slave owners?
And tell me: What is the real, tangible difference between a Haitian seamstress making .05 an hour at some Disney owned factory and a straight-up slave from three hundred years ago? Do you think the police down there are really going to stand up for her rights if some white business executive tries to do Bad Things to her? The illusion of freedom must be very comforting indeed to those people buying Nike shoes and Little Mermaid toys for their kids.
Here's the reality: The more energy you put into your song & dance routine about freedom, democracy and opposing slavery the more of a hypocrite you look like when all the evidence from the present down to three thousand years ago starts to pile up. You're not doing it because it's what you really believe - you're doing it because it's what you've been taught by The System and peer pressure to claim (quite loudly) that you believe.
I promise that if you took the average EvE playing male and dumped him on island of naked women who made them their king it would be nothing more than orgies at gunpoint 24/7. I don't care what their political party card says, or what their religion is, or anything else. Slavery isn't a social, economic, moral or political issue. It's about power, and seeking power over others is hardwired into the human psyche at a genetic level - no exceptions. You can apply self-discipline to overcome actually acting on that desire, but the desire will always still be there in the back of your mind one way or another. So spare me the self-righteous garbage about loving "freedom." You love your own freedom, nothing more. Live Events are neither. |
Taoist Dragon
Bastion of Mad Behaviour
330
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Posted - 2013.03.30 03:31:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:David Devant wrote:It seems daft, but I honestly think that Zarnak's point 3 (i.e. RP reasons around white supremacy) really shouldn't be underestimated. People who play this game generally have reasonable IQs and (in my experience) are rarely facist pigs and don't want to pretend to be one either.
It might be helpful if the story actually evolved rather than staying so static. The empress Jamyl has done a pretty crap job of leading her people. Maybe there could be some reform on the cards? Some mention of terrible Minmatar atrocities.
I know the vast majority will say that they don't care about this sort of thing but actually the 4 race model is sort of a personality test and in my experience players often conform to it. Exactly. Figure that basically 90+% of all players come from USA or Europe. Capitalist democracies by and large. And like all other governments on Earth they indoctrinate their youth from day one with the notion that Our Way Is Best And Only Way For The World. Then they carefully edit history to make themselves into shining stars and everyone else look bad. What these obedient little drones don't do is look outside their own tiny windows at the scope of history or the size of the planet that they live on. When people, especially Americans, think of slavery they only think of their own tarnished history and, like all good little practitioners of White Guilt, make a big hum-do about opposing it. Meanwhile, back in the rest of human existence... the pyramids weren't build by union workers with great health benefits, yet no one minds taking billions of photos of them and saying "wow that's cool." The Roman Empire took slaves a tribute in all their conquests. You know, Rome, the "Greatest Western Civilization?" And oh yeah, all those big democracy fans might want to read up on the slave-based economy of the "Birthplace of Democracy," Ancient Greece. And it never stopped, either. The Barbary States enslaved untold numbers of white Europeans in their time. The Spanish were not the first people to start enslaving people in the New World, either: The local tribal nations (Aztecs come to mind) had been doing it to each other for untold centuries before ever laying eyes a pale face. Even today human trafficking still rages on all over the world. The only difference is that now they're more subtle about it, but there's no shortage of fat, old English chaps flying over to Thailand on a daily basis to take advantage of the uncountable number of underage sex slaves over there. And speaking of sex slaves, do I even need to mention Russia? Or the very idea of "Mail Order Brides?" Heck, look at the USA's own Founding Fathers. Are you, Mr.Patriot, going to tell me that they were unforgivably evil people because, oh yeah, they all happened to be slave owners? And tell me: What is the real, tangible difference between a Haitian seamstress making .05 an hour at some Disney owned factory and a straight-up slave from three hundred years ago? Do you think the police down there are really going to stand up for her rights if some white business executive tries to do Bad Things to her? The illusion of freedom must be very comforting indeed to those people buying Nike shoes and Little Mermaid toys for their kids. Here's the reality: The more energy you put into your song & dance routine about freedom, democracy and opposing slavery the more of a hypocrite you look like when all the evidence from the present down to three thousand years ago starts to pile up. You're not doing it because it's what you really believe - you're doing it because it's what you've been taught by The System and peer pressure to claim (quite loudly) that you believe. I promise that if you took the average EvE playing male and dumped him on island of naked women who made them their king it would be nothing more than orgies at gunpoint 24/7. I don't care what their political party card says, or what their religion is, or anything else. Slavery isn't a social, economic, moral or political issue. It's about power, and seeking power over others is hardwired into the human psyche at a genetic level - no exceptions. You can apply self-discipline to overcome actually acting on that desire, but the desire will always still be there in the back of your mind one way or another. So spare me the self-righteous garbage about loving "freedom." You love your own freedom, nothing more.
WOW!
As I was reading this I was deep in thought.
Then I got to the part about an island full of naked women making me their king.......
what was I saying?... That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
857
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Posted - 2013.04.01 20:09:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:I can't even begin to count the number of times I've been deplexing a home system and a shout comes over comms that ship A is pointed and a buddy needs help. I should lose minutes on the timer for that? Penalizing deplexing would be horribly unpopular.
That never happens when you are o-plexing?
Defensive plexers running is just as much of a problem as offensive plexers running - if not worse. Its the running instead of fighting that makes fw sov a joke, not whether its oplexers or dplexers running.
But anyway one option, would be to have the rollback only happen if a neutral or enemy is on grid with the accell gate or on grid with you before you warp.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
857
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Posted - 2013.04.01 20:15:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:.... Now we can talk about farmers and plexes until we're blue in the face. I believe though that CCP is done with FW. What we have is what we get. They can and should address other areas that are problems for Eve at large.....
....
Yes people will continue to talk about the plex rabbits because that is *the* problem. The roleplay storylines, lp store tags, and industry bonuses are just dancing around the problem.
If ccp wants to leave fw sov broken they can but if they are going to spend any time on it they should focus on the real problem. Make it so you win sov through pvp instead of hide and seek plexing and FW is fixed. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Takseen
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
419
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Posted - 2013.04.01 21:52:00 -
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Cearain wrote:
If ccp wants to leave fw sov broken they can but if they are going to spend any time on it they should focus on the real problem. Make it so you win sov through pvp instead of hide and seek plexing and FW is fixed.
No amount of stabbed farmers can take away a system from pvpers that want to hold it. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
857
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Posted - 2013.04.02 00:04:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Cearain wrote:
If ccp wants to leave fw sov broken they can but if they are going to spend any time on it they should focus on the real problem. Make it so you win sov through pvp instead of hide and seek plexing and FW is fixed.
No amount of stabbed farmers can take away a system from pvpers that want to hold it.
right as long as the pvpers:
are online 24/7
and
never want to leave that system to do some pvp. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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2manno Asp
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
187
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Posted - 2013.04.02 02:33:00 -
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Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote:3) Story Line. It's absolutely horrible. Most of us don't roleplay. But choosing the white, religious fanatic, slave owning race? Yeah.... thought so. Well it does seem to fit, since all the amarr pilots come across as 8 years old, utter crybabies and/or total sperglords.
funny, once again you're the one that seems mad, once again posting outrage like an 8 year old.
need a binky? |
2manno Asp
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
187
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Posted - 2013.04.02 02:38:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:
3) Story Line. It's absolutely horrible. Most of us don't roleplay. But choosing the white, religious fanatic, slave owning race? Yeah.... thought so.
agreed, the story line is awful. let's see...ummmm do i want to fight for the freedom lovers, or slave owning religious fanatics?
hmmm. tough one. |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance 24eme Legion Etrangere
98
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Posted - 2013.04.02 02:48:00 -
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Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:This thread makes me want to take up the violin. this comment makes me lol
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote:3) Story Line. It's absolutely horrible. Most of us don't roleplay. But choosing the white, religious fanatic, slave owning race? Yeah.... thought so. Well it does seem to fit, since all the amarr pilots come across as 8 years old, utter crybabies and/or total sperglords.
really cause i thought everyone in iron oxide was 8 years old, utter crybabies or total sperglords when we amarr didnt stay around to die to your stabber fleets all day |
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