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Lallante
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.26 13:56:00 -
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Its interesting to see such a blatently RL political chronicle.
Or are the references to a returning original owners of a planet seizing the land of its recent owners, herding them into walled off ghetto areas behind a security wall with bare-minimum amenities so that "settlers" can move into the land that was formerly theirs completely coincidental?
Also how has noone else seen or pointed this out? |
Goran Konjich
Shiva Furnace
55
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Posted - 2013.03.26 14:20:00 -
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It's crystal clear that guards are burried in the garden. Which is fine by me :-) boring |
Lallante
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
178
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Posted - 2013.03.26 14:27:00 -
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Goran Konjich wrote:It's crystal clear that guards are burried in the garden. Which is fine by me :-)
What? Not its not. They were clearly other Gallente (hence the digging the garden up and the Caldari guards approving of it).
How can they have been the Caldari guards if he started "gardening" again BEFORE the Caldari invasion? |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
451
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Posted - 2013.03.26 15:10:00 -
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This isn't the IGS lol. |
Eko'mo
Eko Research Institute
21
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Posted - 2013.03.26 18:03:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:ColonelNick wrote: You clearly don't remember the Malkanen incident.
The Federation fired first, un-provoked, with a Nyx-class carrier ramming it under command of Admiral Noir into the Ishukone HQ. So dont talk to us about treachery, Mrs. Tem.
You're wrong but right. The Admiral was actually "The Broker" who clone jumped into a copy of the Admiral's body, killed the Admiral and then crashed the ship into the station. The Nyx would have bounced off of the station's shields, but the Broker sabotaged the shield on the station section that the Nyx crashed into. So you're wrong about the Federation shooting first. However, that information wasn't public, and I doubt the public would have believed that someone could clone jump into different bodies to impersonate people, so to the uninformed public, it appeared as if the Feds fired first, so your statement is "correct."
I think they were roleplaying bud. From an RP point of view only a few people in the galaxy know for sure about the broker. To everyone else he is just a myth or a legend. So as you say it's probably still public opinion that the Gallente kicked it off, or 'A' Gallente, Admiral Noir in particular.
Not sure where you got the station shields part from, not in the book? http://ekolikecrayons.wordpress.com/about/ |
Grideris
Fleet Coordination Commission Fleet Coordination Coalition
566
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Posted - 2013.03.26 20:07:00 -
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Eko'mo wrote:stoicfaux wrote:ColonelNick wrote: You clearly don't remember the Malkanen incident.
The Federation fired first, un-provoked, with a Nyx-class carrier ramming it under command of Admiral Noir into the Ishukone HQ. So dont talk to us about treachery, Mrs. Tem.
You're wrong but right. The Admiral was actually "The Broker" who clone jumped into a copy of the Admiral's body, killed the Admiral and then crashed the ship into the station. The Nyx would have bounced off of the station's shields, but the Broker sabotaged the shield on the station section that the Nyx crashed into. So you're wrong about the Federation shooting first. However, that information wasn't public, and I doubt the public would have believed that someone could clone jump into different bodies to impersonate people, so to the uninformed public, it appeared as if the Feds fired first, so your statement is "correct." I think they were roleplaying bud. From an RP point of view only a few people in the galaxy know for sure about the broker. To everyone else he is just a myth or a legend. So as you say it's probably still public opinion that the Gallente kicked it off, or 'A' Gallente, Admiral Noir in particular. Not sure where you got the station shields part from, not in the book?
No, the shield bit is in the book. http://www.dust514.org - the unofficial forum for everything DUST 514 http://www.dust514base.com - the blog site with everything else DUST 514 you need
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stoicfaux
2567
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Posted - 2013.03.26 22:37:00 -
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Lallante wrote:Its interesting to see such a blatently RL political chronicle.
Or are the references to a returning original owners of some geographical area seizing the land of its recent owners, herding them into walled off ghetto areas behind a security wall with bare-minimum amenities so that "settlers" can move into the land that was formerly theirs completely coincidental?
Also how has noone else seen or pointed this out? Walls? We didn't wall off the Indian reservations.
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TR4D3R4LT
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
47
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Posted - 2013.03.26 23:25:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Walls? We didn't wall off the Indian reservations.
Silly yank, the whole world doesn't spin around your belly. To compare the story to americans vs indians would be impossible as gallente(indians?) were not the original people living in caldari prime(north america). Caldari (the settlers) confining people were.
However it applies to Israel(Caldari) vs Palestine(Gallente). You know the promised land of scriptures(caldari prime, lost for generations under oppressive rule) taken away, returned after years of oppression by military conquest thanks to legal loopholes and fighting bloody struggle to keep it against "terrorist" attacks of people just wanting to live free in land they occupied for short while. That is if you want to draw real life similarities of any kind, it's Eve lore that loans bits and pieces from rl and spins them to best suit itself. |
YuuKnow
Terra-Formers
687
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Posted - 2013.03.27 00:24:00 -
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I still miss the old artwork for the Eve Chronicles. At least a screen shot would be an upgrade...
... there's a saying where I'm from. Quality over Quantity. Pushing out fewer chronicles with great visual artwork is superior to pushing out just more chronicles.
yk |
Kougo Anki
Sucker Punch. Double Tap.
3
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Posted - 2013.03.27 03:16:00 -
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Destroyer of Souls wrote:Quote:Also, I got a dog, who I quickly grew fond of but somehow never got around to naming. Quote:That day I made my way into the city, asking around, looking for him, shouting his name. Quote:I rushed to get a ladder and climbed up on my roof Quote:I slowly crawled on my hands and knees until I got to the stairs, which I went down one careful step at a time until I reached the garden. Love those continuity errors.
this. couldnt agree with you more. and btw ccp, i was considering buying the EvE books (Templat One, etc...) to plus myself into the game. Hope the author of those books are better than this one. =P |
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Goran Konjich
Shiva Furnace
55
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Posted - 2013.03.27 06:38:00 -
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Lallante wrote:Goran Konjich wrote:It's crystal clear that guards are burried in the garden. Which is fine by me :-) What? Not its not. They were clearly other Gallente (hence the digging the garden up and the Caldari guards approving of it). How can they have been the Caldari guards if he started "gardening" again BEFORE the Caldari invasion?
well, the -other- gallente that were "ruining" his garden were burying the random caldari guards they cought and killed around. my opinion. he knew this and this was happening all the time but he didn't mention it of course.
boring |
Rally Invura Aurilen
Innovative Engineering Inc
0
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Posted - 2013.03.27 08:26:00 -
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They welcomed me. An old man, exhausted and at the end of his rope, and the hated enemies of my people treated me like one of their own. They talked to me in quiet tones, explaining several times over what had been going on, and they listened to what I had to say even though half of it was panicked, sleep-deprived babble delivered in a voice that was still barely audible.
They had known about my garden for a while. They spoke of it with respect, and I got the unmistakable feeling that they found it to be a small patch of honest life in a civilization that had gone to a grey, dead ruin. At that moment in time, I didn't disagree with them in the slightest.
One of their own had been on patrol when he'd heard voices from my garden, and had walked over to see the Gallente - my supposed people - trashing it. He'd warned them, they had resisted, he had called for backup, and the end result was a group of unconscious young people with scorch wounds and burns from crowd control weapons wielded with no hesitation
We Caldari DO have our moments of Kindness. We are not ALWAYS ruthless cold hearted plutocratic fascists.
Also I was fighting on the planet with my Dust clone, under a mercenary contract, during the event that took place...
There were lights there, very faint but unmistakable, all on the same part of the horizon. I scrambled down the ladder again as fast as my old legs would let me, found my binoculars in the house, and went back up to look again. They were definitely lights, probably from explosions. They were so far away, and so hard to make out, that I realized they were in another district, possibly on the other side of the continent. I wondered if the same thing were happening elsewhere on the planet.
One of the explosions he saw, might have been caused by me.
Great Chron. |
BloodBird
Mixed Metaphor
106
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Posted - 2013.03.27 10:23:00 -
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Isao Jaatikonen wrote:I find it absolutely terrifying and amusing that a peoples so in love with the idea of freedom and democracy would claim that we Caldari do not have the right to live within our own system, on our own homeworld. Reading some of the comments here shows more of the Gallentean attitude towards others
Do you know what terrifies me?
All the quasi-IC OOC crap in this tread, all the talk back and forth trying to justify viewpoints, or make snide comments on an out-of-character basis regarding events in the story, or the attitudes of others. You for instance attribute a viewpoint of one player in this tread and apply it to an entire faction in-game.
Also, it's not your homeworld, it 'belongs' to a faction in-game, and even then we can argue the nuances of it's 'ownership' in great detail. For instance, others in this tread even taken offense, that the protagonist referred to the planet he had lived on all his life as his.
Seriously guys let's cut down on the hype for a bit, and enjoy the story without all the supposed pride, why don't we?
@ Topic.
The story was excellent, I felt. It set the mood quite well, and while I did not read to much into it the first time, once the final line hit it made me re-think and that was quite enjoyable - all the pieces quietly falling into place.
It was also interesting to see that the State sat down actual civilian populations on the planet, civilians who are now entirely cut off. I assumed all the State forces on the planet was exclusively military and their support staff, not honest-to-god civilians there for non-military related reasons. I suppose that makes sense, too.
Great work.
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Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
92
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Posted - 2013.03.27 11:28:00 -
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BloodBird wrote:[quote=Isao Jaatikonen]
Seriously guys let's cut down on the hype for a bit, and enjoy the story without all the supposed pride, why don't we?
I don't know, if an in game event of this magnitude does not engender a flutter of emotion; pride, rage whatever - there is something wrong.
I find the sniping at errors more distressing than the playful banter. As an illustrator, I like to think of EVE as a collaborative arts project, with individuals contributing their time and energies to the crazi multi-media tapestry that is New Eden. That's one of the reasons the loss of EON magazine was such a blow.
Your PLEX buys you the dark arts of a talented author as well as freedom to stomp around the universe holding grudges. So no thanks. I'm here for pride, hype and blasterfire.
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Ibrahim Khashanti
Extreme Parcel Interstellar Couriers RAZOR Alliance
2
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Posted - 2013.03.27 14:51:00 -
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Enjoyable read. Thank you. |
Midori Amiiko
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.28 00:19:00 -
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Inkarr Hashur wrote:As a player of EVE Online, I wish for world building and nuanced and new perspectives of the 4 empires, the various other main factions both lawful and pirate, etc. I wish for named and important characters in the universe being fleshed out or tested in some manner.
So in this story I felt the most compelling part was the contrast of the Caldari fascist, military focus and efficiency versus the petty and spiteful Gallente factions splintering among the townspeople, showing their inefficacy and divisive nature. This is why I have a problem with the unnamed and unimportant old man being a serial killer. It became a distraction. It doesn't add to the worldbuilding as outlined above in my first paragraph, and in fact, detracts from that "petty and spiteful" depiction of the Gallente, as they are no longer petty or spiteful, but based firmly in real and justified suspicion. It was an interesting development for the story about the old man, but was not helpful in telling the story of the 4 empires. So as an EVE player, I was disappointed.
I differ. There is a bit of a schizm in the Gallente culture. There are those who see the freedoms granted by Federation rule as a sacred duty to be upheld, and there are those who take those freedoms as a license for hedonism and unlimited personal gratification. Our protagonist is clearly one of the former. It's a common thread amongst serial killers...they're "cleaning up" elements "disgusting" to them. I also doubt that any one chronicle can tell us anything about the four empires--except by doing it one empire at a time. I don't know about the books as I've yet to read them. There is one very important bit of flavor that I got from this story. The Caldari and the Gallente are brothers, so any conflict between them will only go so far. Contrast that with the Amarr and the Minmatar. I seriously doubt that an Amarr enclave of any sort would be left if the Minmatar conquered one of their worlds, and I think we all know what would happen to any Minmatar captured in a converse scenario.
The situation on occupied Caldari Prime shows this better than anything. |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
861
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:48:00 -
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Rees Noturana wrote:Dog lives. That's all that really matters. You kill off the dog and you go on the list, right above the Amarr.
Well, they are worth far more than human lives. |
Lallante
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
180
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Posted - 2013.03.28 17:22:00 -
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Goran Konjich wrote:Lallante wrote:Goran Konjich wrote:It's crystal clear that guards are burried in the garden. Which is fine by me :-) What? Not its not. They were clearly other Gallente (hence the digging the garden up and the Caldari guards approving of it). How can they have been the Caldari guards if he started "gardening" again BEFORE the Caldari invasion? well, the -other- gallente that were "ruining" his garden were burying the random caldari guards they cought and killed around. my opinion. he knew this and this was happening all the time but he didn't mention it of course. He started gardening again before the invasion so this isn't possible, sorry |
Lallante
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
180
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Posted - 2013.03.28 17:24:00 -
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So noone else has any thoughts on my view that this whole chron is an Israel-Palestine reference? |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1251
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:21:00 -
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Lallante wrote:So noone else has any thoughts on my view that this whole chron is an Israel-Palestine reference?
You could say that.
Or you could say it's a Polish Ghetto reference, from WW2.
there are many instances of Ghettos being formed.
Personally, I don't think it is.
Steve Ronuken for CSM 8 Handy tools and SDE conversions Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
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Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
92
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Posted - 2013.03.29 09:15:00 -
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Lallante wrote: He started gardening again before the invasion so this isn't possible, sorry
There were plenty of civilian squidsters squirting around Prime prior to the invasion. They did not all run howling into the wilds when the hardliners wrapped them on the knuckles. But that is not the point. The point is that we don't know. If we did know one way or another I'd either sponsor him for the Capsualeer genome development or have the rest of his family introduced to the hospitality of the Special Department of Internal Investigations. |
SGRA
Worlds Without Boundaries
0
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Posted - 2013.03.30 14:35:00 -
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Play EVE and produce a family; your draining my soul CCP. "Wheres my brushes I miss my brushes."http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/After_the_Fall_%28Chronicle%29 |
Katsu Masanori
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.03.30 19:00:00 -
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Very interesting twist at the end! Good writing. |
Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities Apocalypse Now.
25
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Posted - 2013.04.01 03:00:00 -
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Would you guys like someone to be an editor, someone with a degree in English? Your very first sentence has a grammatical error (comma splice); I didn't even attempt to proceed further, in disgust. You don't use ", and" unless you're making a list; just leave the comma out to be a conjunction of prepositional phrases.
I'd do each two or three page article for only 150 million isk. |
Crazey Monkey
Hades Effect
14
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Posted - 2013.04.01 06:53:00 -
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Will this chronicle ever be added to the old list? Found here : http://community.eveonline.com/backstory/chronicles/ Or are you organizing it differently now?
Great read by the way. You know you it has a good ending if you have to re read it. |
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.04.02 10:28:00 -
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I read the story, had an impression that it's a tale about an elderly Gallentean stuck in Caldari Prime since the return of the Caldari, and his experiences up till the Titan was down. I had an impression that it's a study of the Gallente and the Caldari, on how the Gallente aren't as good as we like to think and how the Caldari aren't so bad. Then I reached the ending, had to shake the shock out of me and then reread everything again.
CCP Abraxas. You should write a novel, you magnificent bastard. |
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CCP Abraxas
C C P C C P Alliance
76
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Posted - 2013.04.02 11:48:00 -
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Alright, dog shouting and ladder climbing errors fixed. Thanks, everyone!
SamuelK wrote:Its almost like there wasn't a year between chronicles this time. . . weird, right? Yeah, after we launched the EVElopedia and did some reorganizing, we started doing them with every expansion, and now, more recently, to highlight important events in the game world.
Eliniale wrote:You just couldn't resist could you Abraxas . He had to be a killer again.Other than that, good chronicle. Dude! I haven't done a surprise killer since ... let's see ... probably Post Mortem, and maybe The Plague Years, though even that one didn't revolve around that kind of reveal You should check out The Book of Emptiness, or Rust Creeps, or Burnt.
Lallante wrote:So noone else has any thoughts on my view that this whole chron is an Israel-Palestine reference? I do! It isn't. Like Steve Ronuken mentioned in his subsequent reply, segregated ghettos have existed for a long time. By virtue of having one, this story naturally reflects real-life instances of the same, but it isn't written to be a direct comment on any one of them.
Elvis Preslie wrote:Your very first sentence has a grammatical error (comma splice); I didn't even attempt to proceed further, in disgust. You don't use ", and" unless you're making a list; just leave the comma out to be a conjunction of prepositional phrases. Nah, that comma was intentional. Rules of grammar come second to the ability to clearly indicate meaning, and in this case I needed an extra beat in the sentence to imply that the woman's death and the protagonist's grief had been two prolonged and separate events, instead of just one quickly followed by the next. Putting a comma in that particular place achieved that and didn't introduce any real grammatical confusion, so I was happy with it.
Your own line is odd, though. To my mind it should've read "Your very first sentence has a grammatical error (comma splice); in my disgust I didn't even attempt to proceed further." Not sure why you moved the subordinate clause to the end.
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ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation Unclaimed.
513
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Posted - 2013.04.02 12:24:00 -
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CCP Abraxas wrote:Elvis Preslie wrote:Your very first sentence has a grammatical error (comma splice); I didn't even attempt to proceed further, in disgust. You don't use ", and" unless you're making a list; just leave the comma out to be a conjunction of prepositional phrases. Nah, that comma was intentional. Rules of grammar come second to the ability to clearly indicate meaning, and in this case I needed an extra beat in the sentence to imply that the woman's death and the protagonist's grief had been two prolonged and separate events, instead of just one quickly followed by the next. Putting a comma in that particular place achieved that and didn't introduce any real grammatical confusion, so I was happy with it. Your own line is odd, though. To my mind it should've read "Your very first sentence has a grammatical error (comma splice); in my disgust I didn't even attempt to proceed further." Not sure why you moved the subordinate clause to the end.
Grammar burn!!! - Nulla Curas |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1255
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Posted - 2013.04.02 13:06:00 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:CCP Abraxas wrote:Elvis Preslie wrote:Your very first sentence has a grammatical error (comma splice); I didn't even attempt to proceed further, in disgust. You don't use ", and" unless you're making a list; just leave the comma out to be a conjunction of prepositional phrases. Nah, that comma was intentional. Rules of grammar come second to the ability to clearly indicate meaning, and in this case I needed an extra beat in the sentence to imply that the woman's death and the protagonist's grief had been two prolonged and separate events, instead of just one quickly followed by the next. Putting a comma in that particular place achieved that and didn't introduce any real grammatical confusion, so I was happy with it. Your own line is odd, though. To my mind it should've read "Your very first sentence has a grammatical error (comma splice); in my disgust I didn't even attempt to proceed further." Not sure why you moved the subordinate clause to the end. Grammar burn!!!
Muphry's law, I think. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law Steve Ronuken for CSM 8 Handy tools and SDE conversions Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Darth Velator
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.04.03 02:06:00 -
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Fantastic Story! The only problem I have with it is the burying of the bodies in the garden. Burying fish is viable as fish decompose into a natural fertilizer plants can readily enjoy. Meat - Human or otherwise - is terrible fertilizer. Land animals die above ground and are eaten by various creatures from bacteria to large scavengers (like dogs). The waste these eaters produce is the fertilizer. Meat buried in the ground doesn't become fertilizer unless it's eaten by worms. If his garden truly grew to encompass both neighboring yards, it would require virtually every worm on the planet to convert that much meat. OK, I realize it never mentions that he buried the bodies whole and unprocessed, but his fear of people finding the bodies seems to indicate that they were buried as bodies and not pre-processed. Of course, the story also never mentions how he was able to provide food for his dog... |
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