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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
179
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Posted - 2013.04.05 11:05:00 -
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0Lona 0ltor wrote:Why is there no 3 strikes for RMT if that is the case? Because different offences require different responses.
Assuming for the sake of argument that the only thing that prevents me from RMTing my isk fortune for some portion of the -ú42,000 that Wired claims I have scammed is that I will get perma-banned by CCP under their current policy.
Change that to a 3 strikes rule and I can happily RMT it all for what would amount to a temporary slap on the wrist and then continue playing the game.
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0Lona 0ltor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.04.05 11:44:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote: Change that to a 3 strikes rule and I can happily RMT it all for what would amount to a temporary slap on the wrist and then continue playing the game.
and that is exactly why botting is viable and some may argue pretty much mandatory untill you get to your second warning on each account. Botting should just equal an insta ban on all accounts.
Will never happen as botting effects honest players real life income unlike CCP's which is effected by RMT. CCP does not give 2 craps about it's player base and gladly throws them in front of train wrecks when ever it can to save some real life money for itself.
It would not even annoy me so much if CCP did not just throw money away on doomed FPS's on a near dead console and on an actuall WOW clone. They'd have made more money by burning dollars in metal barrels and selling the ash for paint. |
Naes Mlahrend
KINGS OF EDEN Sev3rance
82
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Posted - 2013.04.05 12:19:00 -
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Oki Troom wrote: Even the recently implemented email alert system takes about 2 minutes to receive notification and then change a price.
WTF is this and how do I set it up?
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
179
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Posted - 2013.04.05 13:09:00 -
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0Lona 0ltor wrote:and that is exactly why botting is viable and some may argue pretty much mandatory untill you get to your second warning on each account. Botting should just equal an insta ban on all accounts.
Will never happen as botting effects honest players real life income unlike CCP's which is effected by RMT. CCP does not give 2 craps about it's player base and gladly throws them in front of train wrecks when ever it can to save some real life money for itself. Could you explain to me what the source of your rage against botters is? Because although I fully agree that it should be stopped for the sake of fair play, I've never felt even vaguely impacted by it.
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OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
229
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Posted - 2013.04.05 15:35:00 -
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0Lona 0ltor wrote:Bad Bobby wrote: Change that to a 3 strikes rule and I can happily RMT it all for what would amount to a temporary slap on the wrist and then continue playing the game.
and that is exactly why botting is viable and some may argue pretty much mandatory untill you get to your second warning on each account. Botting should just equal an insta ban on all accounts. Will never happen as botting effects honest players real life income unlike CCP's which is effected by RMT. CCP does not give 2 craps about it's player base and gladly throws them in front of train wrecks when ever it can to save some real life money for itself. It would not even annoy me so much if CCP did not just throw money away on doomed FPS's on a near dead console and on an actuall WOW clone. They'd have made more money by burning dollars in metal barrels and selling the ash for paint.
Mandatory for what? I don't bot, and I still have fun ingame. If I felt the need to 'keep up' with people maybe, but why bother? |
Rhivre
TarNec
34
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Posted - 2013.04.05 15:40:00 -
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WTF is this "Botting is pretty much mandatory"?
Show us on the dolly where the nasty bot hurt you. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1269
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Posted - 2013.04.05 15:55:00 -
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One thing. Bots are now 2 strike. Not 3. Steve Ronuken for CSM 8 Handy tools and SDE conversions Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Noob Darius
0
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Posted - 2013.04.05 21:29:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Stonkeep wrote:There are definitely bots and they are easy to spot if you have been trading for a while. Reporting them most of the time does not do anything to be honest. I have reported several in Amarr and nothing happened.
And no real trader in their right mind would continue to bid with only 0.01 ISK, especially when you are in a market pvp with someone else at that moment. I am talking purely of Buy orders tho, sell orders I do not care much.
If you are being constantly outbid .01 ISK even with using different methods of price manipulation you are definitely against a bot.
Here how it usually goes;
I put a buy order for item X for 460,000.00 ISK The bot outbids me with 460,000.01 ISK I than outbid the bot with 460,003.56 ISK ( totally random with usage of mouse wheel) The bot outbids me with 460,003.57 ISK I again change the order to 460,012.23 ISK (again mousewheel) The bot outbids yet again with 460,012.24 ISK (.01 again ) I get tired after a while and change the buy order to 470,000.00 ISK The bot outbids me 470,000.01 ISK.
This is a prime example of a bot. No player would go out of their way to type again the random number I generated with mousewheel and increasing it with only .01 ISK. It just does not make sense, especially if you are managing 100+ orders at a time.
Unfortunately, there quite a bit of people who uses these bots and they will straight out refuse that the behavior I just described is not a bot. Not much to do really. This dude is using a spreadsheet and a program tied into the market api. It's totaly EULA legal, the program automaticaly generates the .01 isk number, all he has to do is copy paste or click ok depending on the program he is using. The reason this macro is legal is that it in no way automates anything within the eve client. The user must manually click the ok on the order or copy and paste the number. With a good set up you can get this down to 4 keyboard commands ie ''q'' copy from spread ''w'' open eve client (or move mouse x distance), ''e'' double click order (or right adjust order) ''r'' paste/ enter. Now repeat 50 times every 15 mins while youu pvp on your null sec main.
Your sig line should read "ensure". |
Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance
282
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Posted - 2013.04.05 22:18:00 -
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Oki Troom wrote:For example, I update my by and sell orders several times a day and on anything with any volume my price gets under cut by 0.01 ISK by 3 or four other players within about 30 seconds. Now you don't need to tell me about obsessive game playing but this is too fast to be anything other than an automated trade. Even the recently implemented email alert system takes about 2 minutes to receive notification and then change a price. This seems completely normal, not sure why you think there's botting behind being undercut a few times within that time frame. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |
Aina Sasaki
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
436
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Posted - 2013.04.06 19:33:00 -
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I've run into some pretty absurd competition at times with people who update orders so fast that it seems hardly worth the effort for me, since the last thing I will do is camp the market doing constant updates. I have better things to do.
My solution was to find better items to trade, which have less competition, or that have volumes so high that my orders will fill/sell no matter how many 0.01 ISK fools are playing with it. - Rei |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
200
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Posted - 2013.04.06 21:26:00 -
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I've deleted some unwanted posts. Please people discussing the topic is fine, assuming what CCP does or does not do without hard facts is not.
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Hannah Achasse
The Scope Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2013.04.07 04:45:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:There is also a lot of macro EULA legal software that can update 100's of market orders every 2 mins that is totally legit in the game rules.
"John" from EVE-U disagrees with this. |
0Lona 0ltor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.04.07 11:24:00 -
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Let me ask that awkward question in a forum legal way.
Why does CCP feel it's OK to provide a botter with 3 written warnings before taking any action against a single account where a RMT ISK seller does not get a single warning before having multiple accounts banned?
I put it to the forum it is becaise the Botter harms the player base where as the RMT dude supports the player base but harms CCP by providing cheap ISK. |
Rhivre
TarNec
40
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Posted - 2013.04.07 11:31:00 -
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0Lona 0ltor wrote:Let me ask that awkward question in a forum legal way.
Why does CCP feel it's OK to provide a botter with 3 written warnings before taking any action against a single account where a RMT ISK seller does not get a single warning before having multiple accounts banned?
I put it to the forum it is becaise the Botter harms the player base where as the RMT dude supports the player base but harms CCP by providing cheap ISK.
Well.... I would hazard a guess that RMTers are selling items which do not belong to them, whereas a bot is automating gameplay.
Both harm the player base, but only one is actually profiting from goods/services which are not theirs to sell. RMTers affect the player base in the same way floods of cheap money or goods affect any economy. |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
185
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Posted - 2013.04.07 14:19:00 -
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0Lona 0ltor wrote:Let me ask that awkward question in a forum legal way.
Why does CCP feel it's OK to provide a botter with 3 written warnings before taking any action against a single account where a RMT ISK seller does not get a single warning before having multiple accounts banned?
I put it to the forum it is becaise the Botter harms the player base where as the RMT dude supports the player base but harms CCP by providing cheap ISK. Because different offenses require different responses.
Botters harm CCP too, because a botter will consume more resources than a normal player while paying the same subscription.
RMTers harm the players too, because with real money comes real crimes such as hacking. |
0Lona 0ltor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.04.07 16:21:00 -
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So how about CCP taking botting seriously and making it a one occurrence and multiple account ban punishment such as RMT is treated?
The only answer to that is CPP finds small scale botting within the rules and you should only stop if warned to do so. I'm happy with this as long as CCP says so in the EULA. As it stands CCP is in breach of their own EULA by not enforcing a ban on botting.
If CCP breaks the EULA daily then why should players not? |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
186
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Posted - 2013.04.07 16:43:00 -
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0Lona 0ltor wrote:The only answer to that is CPP finds small scale botting within the rules That is clearly not the only answer, that's just the only one you've written.
They could be working with limited resources and therefore they may have to prioritise some things over others. This is not an uncommon feature of running a business. Maybe this is an answer?
Maybe they genuinely feel that botting is a less serious offence than RMT and are therefore giving a proportionate response. This is not an uncommon feature of rules enforcement. Maybe this is an answer?
Given that both of those are more likely, more logical, more reasonable and more in line with CCP's public statements on these matters, I have to wonder why you would choose an unlikely, illogical, unreasonable and inflamatory interpretation instead. |
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