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Oswald Bolke
Brave Newbies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.03.28 06:00:00 -
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Honestly, I think they should be...have a scout waiting with 9 people offline ready to log in and insta undock? there is no real counter for this, you can't see them on local so all you can do is suddenly get ganked hard.
A good player would be able to see local and notice a spike, but you window is so short because everybody almost instantly undocks after being in a totally invisible state |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises Project Wildfire
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Posted - 2013.03.28 06:05:00 -
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As far as i know its not counted as an exploit. I dident really look but this is the first official response i could find regarding log on traps; 2) Loggoffski/loggonski Not an exploit at all, and never has been. We wonGÇÖt punish people for logging out of and into the game (even if they happen to log in all at about the same time and location that happens to be inconvenient for you). https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=117249#post117249 Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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Diesel47
Bad Men Ltd.
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Posted - 2013.03.28 06:07:00 -
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Not illegal.
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Oswald Bolke
Brave Newbies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.03.28 06:07:00 -
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yeah, I can see how a single instance or coincidence like having a ferw corp members log on to help a buddy in need, But I mean in this case, a coordinated group that in mass logs on and immediately undocks.
And wow, I'm surprised by that. It's really one of the lamest tactics I can think of. I'm in the opinion that when you are in game setting a trap it's fair, but sitting logged off is just a cheap way to be invisible and not have to use a cloak. |
bufnitza calatoare
Nex Angelus. Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.03.28 06:12:00 -
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not illegal or an exploit. how ever...
joining a corp to get a surprise gank of war targets is.. IE
targets are fighting out side the station. you join and 20 others the corp deccing or defending corp and undock to kill the war targets I am sure is a exploit. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
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Posted - 2013.03.28 06:12:00 -
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I don't like loginski/logoutski crap much either. I don't think logging in or out should be part of the game or giving a game advantage - in this case, practically being in system when you're not. But putting a lot of restrictions on logging in and out is draconian. People need to be able to choose (mostly) when they log in and out.
I was happy the 'log out under gatecloak' crap was fixed with the new crimewatch, though. |
Oswald Bolke
Brave Newbies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.03.28 06:14:00 -
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bufnitza calatoare wrote:not illegal or an exploit. how ever...
joining a corp to get a surprise gank of war targets is.. IE
targets are fighting out side the station. you join and 20 others the corp deccing or defending corp and undock to kill the war targets I am sure is a exploit.
yeah, but that's your corp being coordinated and people being available to undock. A small group all undocking at the same moment, away from their corps base parked in another corps home station with no war dec is another matter |
Diesel47
Bad Men Ltd.
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Posted - 2013.03.28 06:43:00 -
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Think of it this way.
If you are tackled and you can't kill an enemy or escape... Them logging in isn't any different from them jumping in from another system to kill you.
You end up dying in the end.
If you know somebody does log off traps frequently, just have your own friends jump into the system and ambush them when they all inevitably land 5km away from the bait ship (Once they log in, they can't cancel their warp and they arrive at the same spot they logged off.)
That is some very valuable information that you can use against them.
If you actually thought about outsmarting them, rather than asking CCP to win the game for you... This thread wouldn't exist. |
pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
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Posted - 2013.03.28 07:07:00 -
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as far i know it isn't a exploit , but on the other hand it is lame and cheap and not very EVE like setting up traps , ganking etc etc i have no problems with but using the log in trap and using .abusing a mechanic that wasn't even intented for that for catching freighters , it is debatable , but i tend to the side that it is should be a exploit I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off
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Posted - 2013.03.28 08:01:00 -
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Not illegal, but incredibly cheap. |
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J'Poll
The Fiction Factory Tribal Band
2014
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Posted - 2013.03.28 08:28:00 -
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Not illegal. Working as intended. Logs show nothing.
If you dont like it....HTFU. Typical CCP. Giving away new clothes but don't have the forums ready to show them.
I feel naked. |
Cannibal Kane
Somali Coast Guard Authority
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Posted - 2013.03.28 08:51:00 -
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bufnitza calatoare wrote:not illegal or an exploit. how ever...
joining a corp to get a surprise gank of war targets is.. IE
targets are fighting out side the station. you join and 20 others the corp deccing or defending corp and undock to kill the war targets I am sure is a exploit.
Nope, as long as there is a session change it is not an exploit. Docking and undocking is a session change. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
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Posted - 2013.03.28 08:58:00 -
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Um....J?
Why are you topless?
Shouldn't the character creator keep that from happening? The Drake is a Lie |
Cyprus Black
The Learning Curve.
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Posted - 2013.03.28 08:58:00 -
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Oswald Bolke wrote:Honestly, I think they should be...have a scout waiting with 9 people offline ready to log in and insta undock? there is no real counter for this, you can't see them on local so all you can do is suddenly get ganked hard.
A good player would be able to see local and notice a spike, but you window is so short because everybody almost instantly undocks after being in a totally invisible state
Well flip it around. Say a fleet has one scout and 9 people. Those nine aren't offline but rather a few light years away sitting on a Titan waiting to hotdrop someone. They're not in local and all you can do is "suddenly get ganked hard".
Is that any different than having one scout online and 9 people offline?
By your own words and logic, a good player would be able to see local and notice a spike after being in a totally invisible state (regardless if it's players logging on or players getting bridged in by a Titan)
The mechanics are different sure, but the situation and end results are pretty much the same thing. Trolling is like art. Anyone can finger paint, but it takes true talent to create a masterpiece. |
Morrow Disca
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.03.28 09:14:00 -
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It's not illegal, but it makes you a ******.
Care to name and shame? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.03.28 09:38:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:Oswald Bolke wrote:Honestly, I think they should be...have a scout waiting with 9 people offline ready to log in and insta undock? there is no real counter for this, you can't see them on local so all you can do is suddenly get ganked hard.
A good player would be able to see local and notice a spike, but you window is so short because everybody almost instantly undocks after being in a totally invisible state Well flip it around. Say a fleet has one scout and 9 people. Those nine aren't offline but rather a few light years away sitting on a Titan waiting to hotdrop someone. They're not in local and all you can do is "suddenly get ganked hard". Is that any different than having one scout online and 9 people offline? By your own words and logic, a good player would be able to see local and notice a spike after being in a totally invisible state ( regardless if it's players logging on or players getting bridged in by a Titan) The mechanics are different sure, but the situation and end results are pretty much the same thing.
Pretty much, it's a poor man's hotdrop.
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GreenSeed
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Posted - 2013.03.28 09:53:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
If you're at war, fly like you're at war: in a fleet.
this please.
after all this is an MMO. |
Cannibal Kane
Somali Coast Guard Authority
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Posted - 2013.03.28 10:04:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:Malcanis wrote:
If you're at war, fly like you're at war: in a fleet.
this please. after all this is an MMO.
Flying in a fleet is over rated when you can go at it alone. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.28 10:21:00 -
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This is actually something i'm sure quite many of your corp would consider doing as well. |
Pantiy
Corporate Scum Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.28 10:48:00 -
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Morrow Disca wrote:It's not illegal, but it makes you a ******.
Care to name and shame?
yeah ill give one who is big on this TOLL MAN ~|~(~-á (~~|~-á-á -á |-á-á (__)-á-á-á |
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.28 11:05:00 -
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Oswald Bolke wrote:Honestly, I think they should be...have a scout waiting with 9 people offline ready to log in and insta undock? there is no real counter for this, you can't see them on local so all you can do is suddenly get ganked hard.
A good player would be able to see local and notice a spike, but you window is so short because everybody almost instantly undocks after being in a totally invisible state Not an exploit. And your tone is that of...well let me find the vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns9oAGnK9CU Check this out. Don't come to the forums and suggest that something be made into an actionable offence in game, its far more effective to file a petition for grief tactics. We are made sharp by the whetstone of purity and truth that is the Empire, all due praises to her Majesty Lord of the host. The alternative to reclamation is to fall as wheat before the scythe. Amarr Victor!
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Forum Clone 77777
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.28 12:11:00 -
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This many people hate logon traps? Really?
Ive never done it, but if it makes this many people cry.. I will have to rethink my strategies.. |
Nova Satar
Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.28 12:30:00 -
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Oswald Bolke wrote:Honestly, I think they should be...have a scout waiting with 9 people offline ready to log in and insta undock? there is no real counter for this, you can't see them on local so all you can do is suddenly get ganked hard.
A good player would be able to see local and notice a spike, but you window is so short because everybody almost instantly undocks after being in a totally invisible state
Its no different to people jumping in from another system and warping to you, the times are about the same. I guess the only difference is you cant scout nearby systems to check....
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J'Poll
The Fiction Factory Tribal Band
2017
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Posted - 2013.03.28 12:31:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:Um....J?
Why are you topless?
Shouldn't the character creator keep that from happening?
Typical CCP. Giving away new clothes but don't have the forums ready to show them.
I feel naked. |
Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
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Posted - 2013.03.28 12:31:00 -
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Is this really that much of a problem?
Won't the victim be at the next gate before the gang even has time to undock? We miss you Saede. |
Othran
Route One
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Posted - 2013.03.28 12:32:00 -
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It used to be defined as an exploit years and years ago (2004/2005?)
However it was a double-edged sword - if you're going to ban people for (what could be) a client drop and relog then you're going to have to start reimbursing losses for the same reason. On top of that was the process of investigating, which usually wasn't all that viable with GM tools.
Its a lame tactic but if people want to use it to protect their precious k/d ratio then I wouldn't worry too much about it - use the notes tab on character info to label them as logon/logoff twats then next time you see them you know what to expect. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate WHY so Seri0Us
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Posted - 2013.03.28 12:33:00 -
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Not an exploit. I recently managed to get a home defense fleet welped by one of these - it's a good tactic. Scout noticed four tempests on dscan, they vanished (we assumed they'd jumped out), engaged a myrm on the gate and then 20 people log in on top of us. CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012 |
Oswald Bolke
Brave Newbies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:17:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:
By your own words and logic, a good player would be able to see local and notice a spike after being in a totally invisible state (regardless if it's players logging on or players getting bridged in by a Titan)
The mechanics are different sure, but the situation and end results are pretty much the same thing.
yeah, but you gotta get the titan to do that...rather than just using a station as a cheat log off titan. It also kinda like the "what if they jumped in from elsewhere" argument. It still takes time and some sort of effort to jump a corp member in and then have his buddies jump to me. If they are in other system I'll see a spike before they get there, or if im sitting right on the gate i'll see a fire
otherwise, hot dropping requires equipment, log in undock / log in ambush just takes button mashing and no skill training, modules or gear.
thats why it's different |
Zircon Dasher
173
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:27:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:as far i know it isn't a exploit , but on the other hand it is lame and cheap and not very EVE like
i nearly spit my coffee out. Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'. |
Zircon Dasher
173
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:31:00 -
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Oswald Bolke wrote: yeah, but you gotta get the titan to do that...rather than just using a station as a cheat log off titan
You heard it here folks. Spend enough ISK and everything is kosher!
Wait.... OMG GUIS!.... what about CCP micro-transactions! Pay-for-Logon trap! Everything would be fix'd! Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'. |
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