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Colt Blackhawk Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate 90	Posted - 2013.03.28 07:41:00 - [1] - Quote Again a "kill all farmers thread". FW is still broken like hell. I changed militia from amarr to caldari. I really got sick with farmatar militia. And what do I see in cal/gal fw? Farmatars everywhere. And do not tell me that are all alts. There are enough farmatar from well known minnie (sometimes even pvp!) corps (epta, true horde). I know CCP give a damn f... about fw actually. But the system is so broken that it really hurts. Everywhere are stabbed runaway minmatars farming the hell out of the warzone. Yes I mean the cal/gal warzone! Because these nasty cicadas have alredy farmed amarr/minmatar warzone down. PVP has almost absolutely NO influence on warzone control So CCP made fw like a war you win the best without fighting and where the best solution is to run away. That is damn /&%"&/-º GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
Markius TheShed Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy 144	Posted - 2013.03.28 07:55:00 - [2] - Quote Let the hate FLOW your path to the Damar side is almost complete. Farmers follow the Tiers so we are at Tier 4 and there are less Amarr systems so farmers go to Caldari, Which also shows that it's pointless to blame this faction or that faction, Farmers have no loyalty or affiliation with anyone. Murientor Tribe a capsuleer organization composed of radical Minmatar. Since YC107 http://www.defiant-legacy.com/
Colt Blackhawk Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate 90	Posted - 2013.03.28 08:12:00 - [3] - Quote Quote: Let the hate FLOW your path to the Damar side is almost complete. I am prolly already on the damar side since I chased all those stabbed minnie slashers in august2012 ^^
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats 443	Posted - 2013.03.28 08:45:00 - [4] - Quote This isn't a Minmatar only issue - especially around T3, there were never ending waves of stabbed Caldari plexers coming down from Tama into the Nisuwa area. And it doesn't end at stabs either - stabs, cloaks, ecm all in one. Farmers gonna farm :(
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate 397	Posted - 2013.03.28 09:12:00 - [5] - Quote chatgris wrote: This isn't a Minmatar only issue - especially around T3, there were never ending waves of stabbed Caldari plexers coming down from Tama into the Nisuwa area. And it doesn't end at stabs either - stabs, cloaks, ecm all in one. Farmers gonna farm :( says farmer
Crosi Wesdo War and Order 541	Posted - 2013.03.28 09:23:00 - [6] - Quote Bad Messenger wrote: chatgris wrote: This isn't a Minmatar only issue - especially around T3, there were never ending waves of stabbed Caldari plexers coming down from Tama into the Nisuwa area. And it doesn't end at stabs either - stabs, cloaks, ecm all in one. Farmers gonna farm :( says farmer says farmer
Machiavelli's Nemesis Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide. 217	Posted - 2013.03.28 10:36:00 - [7] - Quote poasting in amarrtard weeping thread Didn't see you complaining about farming when amarrs held most of metro and the whole auga/dal constellation due to the farmarr alt horde. Maybe your shoes have strategically placed spikes so they make you weep piteously only when you put them on the other foot or something. Hypocrite.
Colt Blackhawk Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate 90	Posted - 2013.03.28 10:49:00 - [8] - Quote Quote: poasting in amarrtard weeping thread Didn't see you complaining about farming when amarrs held most of metro and the whole auga/dal constellation due to the farmarr alt horde. Maybe your shoes have strategically placed spikes so they make you weep piteously only when you put them on the other foot or something. Hypocrite. It was never meant to hold that T3 longer than some hours. But what we didn-¦t know is that the whole farming armada would join us. I am more complaining here how worthless pvp has become concerning tier status. PVP influence on tier status is maybe not even 5%.
eddie valvetino Snuff Box 152	Posted - 2013.03.28 11:29:00 - [9] - Quote Colt Blackhawk wrote: Again a "kill all farmers thread". FW is still broken like hell. I changed militia from amarr to caldari. I really got sick with farmatar militia. And what do I see in cal/gal fw? Farmatars everywhere. And do not tell me that are all alts. There are enough farmatar from well known minnie (sometimes even pvp!) corps (epta, true horde). I know CCP give a damn f... about fw actually. But the system is so broken that it really hurts. Everywhere are stabbed runaway minmatars farming the hell out of the warzone. Yes I mean the cal/gal warzone! Because these nasty cicadas have alredy farmed amarr/minmatar warzone down. PVP has almost absolutely NO influence on warzone control So CCP made fw like a war you win the best without fighting and where the best solution is to run away. That is damn /&%"&/-º GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. Edit: YES I AM RAGING!!!! I see here sometimes more minnies than gals in cal/gal fw. The difference is the gals somtimes fight and the minnies run away. Edit2: To Mnemic: Next gate camp you can make in cal/gal wz. There are more minnies here than in amarr wz^^ U mad? I think you might need to see a Doctor about that pain in your butt too
Colt Blackhawk Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate 90	Posted - 2013.03.28 11:59:00 - [10] - Quote Quote: U mad? I think you might need to see a Doctor about that pain in your butt too grow up^^
Crosi Wesdo War and Order 541	Posted - 2013.03.28 12:10:00 - [11] - Quote The way i see ii, you have 2 options. 1. Decouple ISK from plexing, this being the cause of and the fix for farming. Low sec population dies off again. 2. Slightly tweak the current systems tier rewards, add timer rollbacks, no stabs in plexes, something addressing evasion cloaking. This does not stop farming, just makes it slightly less passive. But those of us wanting to maintain a target rich environment are happy. I think the curent system is ok. Bt it is scary how caldari, wit their own fair share of farmers are hitting 35k VP per day yet make little hadway into the occupancy. I wouldnt b surprised if matar farmers were hitting twce that VP, which is approaching inferno levels. Though their rewards are nothing like inferno, so its hard to say its aas serious a problem
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate 397	Posted - 2013.03.28 12:49:00 - [12] - Quote FW will be broken as long as attacker and defender are interested about different things and different plexes. If both have reason to take same plex fight for it may occur. Docking denial does not work fully because farmers who mostly make systems flip are not really interested about docking at all. so farmers farm systems that no one else is interested and defender defend systems where they want to dock. things will come to point where FW people mostly base out of FW area on stations that can not be locked down and farmers can almost freely farm lp where they want. i do not mind if we get totally rid of target rich environment where only challenge is to instapop stabbed farmers before they warp. Killing farmers is as boring as farming plexes, that is why i do not bother to even kill farmers anymore.
Shadow Adanza Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats 60	Posted - 2013.03.28 14:34:00 - [13] - Quote You want a fight? Come to Nisuwa during US TZ late evenings/early nights and ask for a 1v1 in local. I'm sure someone will oblige. Or if you want, you can open a plex and see how many stir. Kedama is a good place for fights, as well. Quite a few pirates as well as Gallente and Caldari are all active there for what seems like most of the day. This game is what you make of it. You can spend your time complaining about farmers, you can chase/kill them, or you can go and find fights and not even worry about the farmers not in your home system. Hey! You're no zombie!
Yogsoloth Percussive Diplomacy Samurai Pizza Cats 121	Posted - 2013.03.28 14:43:00 - [14] - Quote The biggest issue is that there are several easy fixes to this problem that could be implemented overnight, we shouldn't have to wait 4+ months for these issues to get addressed. Get on it already.
Garan Nardieu Moira. Villore Accords 16	Posted - 2013.03.28 14:46:00 - [15] - Quote Yogsoloth wrote: The biggest issue is that there are several easy fixes to this problem that could be implemented overnight, we shouldn't have to wait 4+ months for these issues to get addressed. Get on it already. Not to mention most of those fixes were discussed during pre-retribution fw changes talk. Unfortunatelly, I guess we'll have to wait for two more months (Odyssey) for any changes to be implemented
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1225	Posted - 2013.03.28 16:34:00 - [16] - Quote Colt Blackhawk wrote: Edit: The difference is the gals somtimes fight and the minnies run away. That certainly explains when the Minnie/Amarr warzone is almost ENTIRELY Minmatar controlled. Yup, Minmatar just run. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Machiavelli's Nemesis Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide. 219	Posted - 2013.03.28 16:51:00 - [17] - Quote Ginger Barbarella wrote: Colt Blackhawk wrote: Edit: The difference is the gals somtimes fight and the minnies run away. That certainly explains when the Minnie/Amarr warzone is almost ENTIRELY Minmatar controlled. Yup, Minmatar just run. Amarr just cry endlessly regardless of what's actually going on. I remember not too long ago Colt died in a plex to our scout, the fight was over a good 20 seconds before any of the rest of the fleet arrived and he still managed to spend a good few minutes crying about blobs and dishonour in local. Broken whinebot is broken.
X Gallentius Justified Chaos 1187	Posted - 2013.03.28 16:58:00 - [18] - Quote The sovereignty warfare part of FW is not ideal (to say the least), but it has a few benefits: 1. Steady isk income for pvp habit 2. Leads to massive numbers of fights for players actually looking for fights 3. Sovereignty in "home systems" are determined by pvp'ers, not farmers. So, not "completely broken." And yeah, I was preaching the same thing when Gallente were at Tier 1. Farmers are gonna farm, but their influence on our daily activities in FW can be managed.
Akai Kvaesir In Exile. 124	Posted - 2013.03.28 17:11:00 - [19] - Quote It shouldn't be possible for farmers to jump militias, or at least, it shouldn't be as easy as it is. Edit: farming has nothing to do with a specific militia, it is a FW-wide problem, and the swarm of locusts only follows the most lucrative harvest. Frogblast the Vent Core! When the W'rkncacnter came, Pthia was killed, and Yrro in anger, flung the W'rkncacnter into the sun. The sun burned them, but they swam on its surface.
Andre Vauban Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats 88	Posted - 2013.03.28 17:26:00 - [20] - Quote Akai Kvaesir wrote: Edit: farming has nothing to do with a specific militia, it is a FW-wide problem, and the swarm of locusts only follows the most lucrative harvest. Once you understand the locust analogy, it really isn't that bad. If you want the locusts on your side, you need to feed them (ie provide Tier-3 or Tier-4). If the locusts are against you, you need to deny them food. That can be done by crushing the other sides tier level or by losing all your non-defended systems. .
Zarnak Wulf In Exile. Imperial Outlaws. 1108	Posted - 2013.03.28 17:27:00 - [21] - Quote Prices in the Amarr LP store are on the rise again.
Colt Blackhawk Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate 92	Posted - 2013.03.28 17:40:00 - [22] - Quote Seems a lot of these locusts is posting here^^ Especially from a slave militia where 85% of the members don-¦t know how to fight without blob, ogb, falcons and 2 b pods. Well Blobtechncally the amarr were better now :P I simply want he following: I want that pvp for a faction makes sense. POINT. Actually it doesn-¦t make sense. Of course I have fun but sys occupancy is a joke with that. I remember when once a horde of stabbed gals jumped into lamaa. A whole fleet. Some 8 gals maybe. Everyone only running away and plexing like hell. Stabbed comets, slicers, vexors. Stabbed vexors running away from my little hookbill^^. We wanted to defend that system at that time. But we couldn-¦t. We simply hadn-¦t the nerves and numbers to place a pvper 24/7 in every plex to prevent the system form being farmed to hell. That is simply crazy. If I want sys occupancy--------->Grabbing a stabbed ship makes more sense than pvping with a 400mil cynabal!!! Ridigulous. I left amarr militia when it was at a status where the first time I saw that they really were able to kick the minnies in the c...jones. But still T1. Because of the farmer armada. Yeah they get fights but you can get these fights also as a pirate. No difference.
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1226	Posted - 2013.03.28 17:58:00 - [23] - Quote Colt Blackhawk wrote: We wanted to defend that system at that time. But we couldn-¦t. We simply hadn-¦t the nerves and numbers to place a pvper 24/7 in every plex to prevent the system form being farmed to hell. OK, so let me get this straight: According to evewho.com, your corp (Nasranite) has 43 members, and your alliance (Bloody Ronin) has 105 members, adn you couldn't find one person per plex for a single system--- let's assume, at most, 10 active plexes in that system--- to help keep hold on your home system? Really? All of your alliance members are in a single time zone? You can't actively recruit outside your TZ for other people to join the Alliance to keep sov? Help me understand here. :) "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Colt Blackhawk Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate 92	Posted - 2013.03.28 18:28:00 - [24] - Quote Quote: OK, so let me get this straight: According to evewho.com, your corp (Nasranite) has 43 members, and your alliance (Bloody Ronin) has 105 members, adn you couldn't find one person per plex for a single system--- let's assume, at most, 10 active plexes in that system--- to help keep hold on your home system? Really? All of your alliance members are in a single time zone? You can't actively recruit outside your TZ for other people to join the Alliance to keep sov? Help me understand here. :) At that moment I was in an amarr mili alliance with almost 400 members and active 24/7. And sorry but it is no fun "guarding" a plex 24/7. Especially amarr are very pvp orientated so tell a bigger corp to plex some days and you will get mutiny. I remember when Greygal from agony said she (Maud on TS: "**** Gregal is a chick!") didn-¦t want Kourm any more because all this def plexing was simply no fun. And there we have the problem: FW is actually a plex in a stabbed ship tournament instead of shoot your enemy tournament. All this pvp around is maybe important for 5% of the systems.
Milton Middleson Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 259	Posted - 2013.03.28 19:05:00 - [25] - Quote Colt Blackhawk wrote: Seems a lot of these locusts are posting here^^ Especially from a slave militia where 85% of the members don-¦t know how to fight without blob, ogb, falcons and 2b pods. I get it. It's funny because you're being ironic. Oh, wait. You were being serious.
Zarnak Wulf In Exile. Imperial Outlaws. 1108	Posted - 2013.03.28 19:11:00 - [26] - Quote He's gone rabid! Everyone back up slowly.
Colt Blackhawk Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate 92	Posted - 2013.03.28 19:48:00 - [27] - Quote Quote: He's gone rabid! Everyone back up slowly. Who?
Muad 'dib The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos 811	Posted - 2013.03.28 20:20:00 - [28] - Quote still think the docking thing is stupid, adds needless logistical and chronological complications to a feature that already takes best part of a week to make a system vulnerable - thats if the enemy doesnt push it back ofc! About the farmers? Thats purely the isk earning potentials fault and how completely broken the ratio of isk vs. time invested in the character. Also the lack of need to actually fight anything other than the NPC in the plex to get your reward. Farmers farm available systems, they do not take systems to farm them or pvp/deplex to keep them -> huge issue. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg
Dark Lightstrong Asset Reclamation Services LLC 8	Posted - 2013.03.28 20:25:00 - [29] - Quote Wouldn't something like a decrease in LP (-50%) gained from plexes and a huge increase from when you destroy an enemy militia player (150-250%) help, like alot?
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats 445	Posted - 2013.03.28 20:32:00 - [30] - Quote Dark Lightstrong wrote: Wouldn't something like a decrease in LP (-50%) gained from plexes and a huge increase from when you destroy an enemy militia player (150-250%) help, like alot? No because then people would just blow up their alts for profit.

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