Are there any actual dedicated FW players? Seriously.

It seems FW is mostly made up of farmers, null alts, and players just looking for a place to pad killboards.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1527982
That is fw actually^^
This guy prolly conquered several systems alone^^

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1527982
That is fw actually^^
This guy prolly conquered several systems alone^^

Ah yes. The vital Gallente staging system of Immuri. I live right next door, it gets farmed fairly regularly by both sides. Gives me something to do while waiting for a fleet to join.

Edit : Also note that this guy fits neither cloaks nor warp core stabs. So removing both is only a partial fix to the perceived problem.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1527982
That is fw actually^^
This guy prolly conquered several systems alone^^

This isn't a Minmatar only issue - especially around T3, there were never ending waves of stabbed Caldari plexers coming down from Tama into the Nisuwa area. And it doesn't end at stabs either - stabs, cloaks, ecm all in one.

Farmers gonna farm :(

I don't mind pve in general. I don't mind people runnning level 4 missions, cosmos missions, epic arcs, or belt ratting, or sleeper sites, or fw missions, or incursions etc.

I just think its too bad they had to make fw sov yet another pve mechanic.

Best fix IMHO is that you can only have 1 character in FW at any time. In addition, it has to be your main, the character with the most skill points. There should also be a fairly long lockout if you decide to drop from FW, perhaps a week.

This wouldn't eliminate 2nd (and 3rd, 4th, etc) accounts from being involved, but would be a serious blow to alts and LP farmers.

Not really a workable fix IMO this would be an account wide restriction which kinda goes against the sandbox feel of eve.

In doing this you might as well just say that from now on each account can only have 1 toon.

There's never going to be a workable fix that fits within the sandbox element. Players will always find a way around it. The only way to truly get rid of this kind of stuff is to nerf it at the account level.

I too would love to see FW sov a pvp mechanic.

However I can't see it ever being so without either
a: massive structure bashing grinds
or
b: hugely exploitable by alt farming.


In reality EVE doesn't really have the playerbase to make any form of sov a completely pvp mechanic without some form of timer watching, structure bashing mechanic. If eve had 10x the number spread out across all TZ then I'd say there would be enough players to actually make a completly pvp mechanic at least viable. But then it would probably be exploitable by alt farming of some kind..

Why does factional warfare seem to break after every patch?


- killz

Do this and you pretty much remove the biggest farm factor for most farmers - bonussed LP.

and notifications it would be a pvp mechanic. These changes have been proposed by players for years.

Best fix IMHO is that you can only have 1 character in FW at any time. In addition, it has to be your main, the character with the most skill points. There should also be a fairly long lockout if you decide to drop from FW, perhaps a week.

This wouldn't eliminate 2nd (and 3rd, 4th, etc) accounts from being involved, but would be a serious blow to alts and LP farmers.

Not really - when farmers are already sitting in unfit executioners not even bothering to react to losses, I doubt this will change much. Also, cloaking - can't infnipoint what's not lockable.

Cloaked inside plexes are solved by *NEW* mechanic:
- Interact with beacon like one does with iHubs and deposit 2000LP for a decloaking field with a 30km radius to be deployed and remain in place until plex closes.

There sorted. Can we get on to the heavy stuff?

Would like to. But you forget the following: CCP gives a f... about how they broke fw and won-¦t change anything.

You mean like how they made it profitable?

I mean how they made it farmville

I mean how they made it farmville

If you got 236 kills in March in farmville, I'd hate to see how many you'd get if they fixed it.

only you on that one matey wondered how many posts it would take you to get that in there

It wasn't even my idea.

And yes I will keep proposing the same solution since its the same problem that is ignored and needs to be fixed.

I am well aware that there are allot of gallente who have recently been coming on these forums that hate that idea that pvpers would know where their alts are hiding and running pelxes. But that doesn't change the fact that this idea was proposed by pvpers for years, and in combination with a timer rollback would make fw sov a pvp game.

Just becasue many of the pvpers have long since abandoned fw and no longer post here doesn't mean their ideas won't work.

Bottom line: we will forever get threads like this one where people realize fw sov is a carebear race - untill ccp actually does what they need to do to fix it.