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4-AcO-DMT
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2013.04.01 14:23:00 -
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90% of my loses is at gatecamps. i get very mad then.
how not to die on gatecamps ? |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
546
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Posted - 2013.04.01 14:25:00 -
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Cloak?
Fast Align?
High speed to get out of a bubble before they find you and decloak you?
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Whitehound
1419
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Posted - 2013.04.01 14:26:00 -
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Be the camper. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Netheus Soubar
Club Royal
0
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Posted - 2013.04.01 14:28:00 -
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Avoid gate camps. |
Spondoo Lix
University of Caille Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2013.04.01 14:28:00 -
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Scout the route first in a fast frigate.
If you find gatecamps, plan (and scout) a different route, or sell off at a different destination.... |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
70
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Posted - 2013.04.01 14:28:00 -
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I personally have stopped using gates all togeher.
Havent gotten stuck in a gatecamp since. |
4-AcO-DMT
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2013.04.01 14:31:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:I personally have stopped using gates all togeher.
Havent gotten stuck in a gatecamp since.
can i do that in condor ? |
Orion Rise
United Federation Industries No Mercy For Percy
0
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Posted - 2013.04.01 14:35:00 -
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Stop flying. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2013.04.01 14:36:00 -
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People still use stargates?
Seriously though, set up a gatecamp. You'll figure out pretty quickly what can get through and how. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3949
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Posted - 2013.04.01 14:36:00 -
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Avoid gates, period. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
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4-AcO-DMT
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2013.04.01 14:37:00 -
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whaaaat. how can u not use stargates ?? |
Sakiya Shiratori
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.04.01 14:39:00 -
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Get a second account to scout the gates. Or renew trial accounts and do the same, altough the latter may be against the rules. |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
928
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Posted - 2013.04.01 14:39:00 -
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As said, scout ahead, for example send an alt ahead in a shuttle. Also check dotlan on kills. |
Netheus Soubar
Club Royal
0
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Posted - 2013.04.01 14:40:00 -
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4-AcO-DMT wrote:whaaaat. how can u not use stargates ??
This would be one of the many ways to achieve that. |
Na Und
Galactronics
8
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Posted - 2013.04.01 14:53:00 -
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Eve has stargates? |
Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
3330
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Posted - 2013.04.01 14:54:00 -
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Learn where common chokepoints and current potential camps are: - Use the in-game map and 'pilots in system within 30 minutes' and ship/pod kills per hour to plan your route accordingly. - Use Dotlan for the same purpose, but with links to more information such as kills in system. You can see when and where gatecamps have occurred by checking recent kills in system. - http://evemaps.dotlan.net/
Scout: - Obviously this requires an alt account, or flying with buddies. Send in either a fast scout in an interceptor or other fast frigate, or just use a noob ship and noob alt. - Roaming gangs will typically send in something small and fast to check out a system first. Not just to avoid gatecamps but also to assess possible engagements. Some people actually WANT to find a gatecamp to engage.
Scanning: - if the out gate of the system you are currently in is too far away to scan then you won't know what ships are on that gate. You need to get within scan range either by warping to a celestial nearer to that gate, or by draining cap and warping only part way (look up scanning techniques).
Fly survivable ships: - Haulers must have an mwd and cloak to have any chance of survival. Cloaking Transporters (Tech II) are near impossible to lose to a camp. - Fast aligning ships like frigs and destroyers can get through most camps. Even if you have no chance of 'getting through', you can always try and burn back to the gate and possible escape that way.
Ultimately, there is never a guarantee of safety, and you just have to accept that sooner or later you will die, but you can do your best to make sure it happens as little as possible due to your own mistakes.
There is way more to it than this but blind jumping an Apoc into low sec is never a good idea. Keep on your toes! (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2013.04.01 15:03:00 -
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4-AcO-DMT wrote:90% of my loses is at gatecamps. i get very mad then.
how not to die on gatecamps ?
Be ready to move quickly.
Remember flying a shuttle through null (trying to get to the new alliance station). Had to run through a known gatecamp and it was a doozy. But before I even got through, made sure to be ready to align quickly to a celestial. Like clockwork the shuttle got shot, but was long gone before they could pod me.
Sometimes you're not going to escape (locked down cold). The best you can do is be ready to escape to fight another day. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1442
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Posted - 2013.04.01 15:05:00 -
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4-AcO-DMT wrote:how not to die on gatecamps ? Don't die. I support Malcanis and Psychotic Monk for CSM8. |
Kristopher Rocancourt
Quality Assurance The Marmite Collective
95
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Posted - 2013.04.01 15:07:00 -
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4-AcO-DMT wrote:90% of my loses is at gatecamps. i get very mad then.
how not to die on gatecamps ?
just fly through Rancer system. that whole string of systems is very safe.
Proud member of MYM8 Jita Police.
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Ayari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
6
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Posted - 2013.04.01 15:08:00 -
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4-AcO-DMT wrote:how not to die on gatecamps ?
Train up Evasive Maneuvering to Level IV if you haven't already, this helps with your align time.
Stay calm. if you jump into a gatecamp you have 60 seconds of jump cloak to work out the best route of escape.
If there are no bubbles and you are in a frigate, you can usually just select a celestial and warp to. They won't have the time to lock you before you warp unless they're using remote sensor boosters. I would suggest warping to a random range, in case they chase.
If there is a bubble, then you have two choices, burn back to gate and jump back through, or try and burn out of bubble. You need a Microwarp Drive fitted for these to work. Which one you choose depends on how close you are to the edge of the bubble. Use your 60 seconds to see which would be the quickest route.
Sometimes, with all your preparations, you'll still be out of luck. So if you know you're going to die, try and get your pod out. Spamming warp to a celestial while scrammed will pass along to your pod, so when your ship dies, your pod will instawarp there.
Finally, as has been already mentioned, get a scout. Also, don't fly anything bigger than a destroyer through lowsec/nullsec unscouted, because you *will* die eventually. |
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Ayari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
7
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Posted - 2013.04.01 15:13:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:
Be ready to move quickly.
Remember flying a shuttle through null (trying to get to the new alliance station). Had to run through a known gatecamp and it was a doozy. But before I even got through, made sure to be ready to align quickly to a celestial. Like clockwork the shuttle got shot, but was long gone before they could pod me.
Sometimes you're not going to escape (locked down cold). The best you can do is be ready to escape to fight another day.
When you say 'align quickly to a celestial', do you mean 'hold cloak, select celestial, warp to x km'? A shuttle is unstoppable without bubbles, it simply aligns too fast to be locked before it's already entered warp.
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Totalrx
NA No Assholes
91
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Posted - 2013.04.01 15:33:00 -
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This would be one of the many ways to achieve that.[/quote]
Eve was much more alive before jump bridges.
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Spurty
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
839
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Posted - 2013.04.01 15:45:00 -
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Totalrx wrote:This would be one of the many ways to achieve that.
Eve was much more alive before jump bridges. [/quote]
Pretty much this
Pandora a box has been open too long now. --- GÇ£If you think this Universe is bad, you should see some of the others.GÇ¥ GÇò Philip K. **** |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2013.04.01 15:54:00 -
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Ayari wrote:[quote=Ace Uoweme] When you say 'align quickly to a celestial', do you mean 'hold cloak, select celestial, warp to x km'? A shuttle is unstoppable without bubbles, it simply aligns too fast to be locked before it's already entered warp.
Shuttle was used not so much for the speed but because of the v-e-r-y high chance of the ship being destroyed (chokepoint...had to go through that gate).
It was a ride of my life and funny even -- got through, aligned...KABOOM. Wasn't escaping that camp with a ship intact.
And you already answered your assumption "already entered warp". When aligning you are not at warp speed yet when decloaking. And yes shuttles do get blown up even without bubbles. We don't all have level 5 Navigation skills 2 weeks into the game. Only pods at that stage are instant aligns with quick warps...and how I escaped.
First death was in null in a bubble camp (multiple bubbles at that). Managed to get out to some asteroid and ice field to witness my first ABC ores as a 3 day old newbie. Was down there for a good bit of time, but coming back...gatecamp of all gatecamps...BOOM.
It's easy to sneak in and remain in, it's the gates that kill. 10001 things happen from lag (this was back in 2010, when it was severe and CCP was doing the load testing to try to fix it) to the gate not even responding (so true in Amarr). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
1056
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Posted - 2013.04.01 16:07:00 -
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4-AcO-DMT wrote:90% of my loses is at gatecamps. i get very mad then.
how not to die on gatecamps ?
Play a real game which doesn't rely on cheesy mechanics for "PvP".
Gate camps are in many ways very similar to spawn camping in other games. That is, you come in virtually blind, encounter a large, prepared force bent on annihilating you. Like others pointed out, there's ways around it. Start an alt account - something I refuse to do, paying more money just to deal with a crappy design choice? No thank you. Fly with buddies, which is not always practical. Etc., etc.
Bottom line though, it's a flawed, silly game mechanic that in any non-niche game would have been laughed out of town a very, very, very long time ago.
EDIT: It is also worth noting that both "get a scout" and "use an alt" suggestions that get passed around as "solutions" aren't really solutions at all - *someone* is still going to die, just not you. It'll be a buddy or an alt. Either way, you likely lose something to the camp. Some solution... |
Ayari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
8
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Posted - 2013.04.01 16:26:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote: And you already answered your assumption "already entered warp". When aligning you are not at warp speed yet when decloaking. And yes shuttles do get blown up even without bubbles. We don't all have level 5 Navigation skills 2 weeks into the game. Only pods at that stage are instant aligns with quick warps...and how I escaped.
Evasive Maneuvering IV should be sufficient, and that's a day of training, and one well spent if you're going anywhere *near* nullsec. No other Navigation skills contribute towards align time. |
Steve Spooner
Mordu's Military Industrial Command Circle-Of-Two
11
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Posted - 2013.04.01 16:27:00 -
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0.01 locktime Nado with 1400MM artillery laughs at any fast scouts. |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
235
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Posted - 2013.04.01 16:45:00 -
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Empire gate camps are a non-issue once you get the hang of it. Condor will always be vulnerable to disco camps (smart bombs) but with a couple of nanofiber internal structures in your lows and a tank built on resists/speed, not sig radius increasing or movement gimping buffer you should be able to select the next gate and click jump and be off before anything can lock you.
Clear your overview of ships, the only thing you need to see on your OV for traveling is the gates and stations. Anything else is just a chance for something to go wrong. Honestly you can even turn your brackets off, the only info you need is the next gate. On that note always have a route set, so that the outgate shows yellow. You dont need to be thinking about which gate to click while your cloak timer is burning down.
Now that everything is clean, and your ship aligns as fast as you can make it, jump into lowsec select the gate that is yellow and click "jump". Thats it, anything else is a distraction that will just get in the way.
If this still doesn't work then you could try upgrading to a cruiser with a 10MN MWD and cloak and a couple of warp stabs and whatever buffer you can fit. The cloak MWD trick is an awesom tool that all Eve pilots would benefit from learning. I can move a BS around lowsec this way now which is very handy sometimes, and you can use a sigil or wreath to move PI safely around in lowsec. This is much easier to train for than a BR
GL/FS
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
409
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Posted - 2013.04.01 22:47:00 -
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Approach the system using a cloaky covops over an alternative route, assess the sec stat of said campers, their strengths, weaknesses, fleet composition and character age. Gain as much intel on them as you can and organize a counter fleet. Then utterly destroy each and every one of them. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2013.04.01 23:17:00 -
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Ayari wrote: Evasive Maneuvering IV should be sufficient, and that's a day of training, and one well spent if you're going anywhere *near* nullsec. No other Navigation skills contribute towards align time.
There's other skills that are more important that early, and there's only 1 skill to level at a time. Navigation skills are lower down the list of priorities if you're not an interceptor/cloaky pilot (which from day one I wouldn't play, not into glass cannon and rogue classes). Tanky pilots spend more time on getting shields up, as their ship isn't going to turn quickly even if they had Evasive Maneuvering X. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
3335
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Posted - 2013.04.01 23:26:00 -
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You are missing the point of both the op and the person you quoted. Well done. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
322
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Posted - 2013.04.01 23:54:00 -
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Wait out the cloak timer to the last second in the hopes that someone else comes through and diverts their attention long enough for you to get away.
Thats all i have to add to the already great advice listed in this thread. Post with your main, like a BOSS! |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1265
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Posted - 2013.04.02 00:57:00 -
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Are you talking about lowsec camps or nullsec camps? Two different things, y'know. Live Events are neither. |
4-AcO-DMT
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2013.04.02 08:23:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote:Wait out the cloak timer to the last second in the hopes that someone else comes through and diverts their attention long enough for you to get away.
Thats all i have to add to the already great advice listed in this thread.
which is ? |
4-AcO-DMT
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2013.04.02 08:24:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Are you talking about lowsec camps or nullsec camps? Two different things, y'know.
lowsec for now |
Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
2192
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Posted - 2013.04.02 08:40:00 -
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don't log in.
instant win. |
Cyprus Black
Perkone Caldari State
732
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Posted - 2013.04.02 08:50:00 -
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Throw wave after wave of ships at them until the debris clogs their exhaust vents and they choke to death. Trolling is like art. Anyone can finger paint, but it takes true talent to create a masterpiece. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2821
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Posted - 2013.04.02 09:09:00 -
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Adapt. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
236
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Posted - 2013.04.02 10:46:00 -
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4-AcO-DMT wrote:Xen Solarus wrote:Wait out the cloak timer to the last second in the hopes that someone else comes through and diverts their attention long enough for you to get away.
Thats all i have to add to the already great advice listed in this thread. which is ?
You didn't see anything helpful posted? A lot of people took the time to write out honest answer's to your question, tricks and tips and guides that worked for them. I'm going to go and edit mine down for clarity so maybe the highlights stand out more. Sorry for not being more clear in my original draft. If its not too much trouble please go back and read it, I am desperate to have someone tell me how helpful I am, I just wait for the few new players that come here asking for advice.
Anyway, good luck.
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
236
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Posted - 2013.04.02 10:48:00 -
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Oh, one more thing comes to mind. Its really tough to avoid getting blown up in Eve but if you stay out of lowsec and stay in an NPC corp you have better chances.
GL/FS === |
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Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
903
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Posted - 2013.04.02 10:55:00 -
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To defeat the camper, you must become the camper. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1271
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Posted - 2013.04.02 11:01:00 -
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4-AcO-DMT wrote:lowsec for now
Oh well that's easy. Use a shuttle. Yes, I'm serious. Shuttle goes from cloaked to warp in like one second flat. You can still get caught at a station (barely, and even then you really have to try to screw up) but a gate? Not unless there's a bubble, and last I checked bubbles were strictly a nullsec thing. You'll be in warp before they can even move their mouse over to select you, let alone target you, let alone scramble you. If all you want to do is get from Point A to Point B, it really can't be beat. Seriously... if someone can gate scramble a shuttle who isn't AFK then that in itself is pretty much enough evidence right there to nail someone for hacking. Live Events are neither. |
4-AcO-DMT
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2013.04.02 12:33:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:4-AcO-DMT wrote:lowsec for now Oh well that's easy. Use a shuttle. Yes, I'm serious. Shuttle goes from cloaked to warp in like one second flat. You can still get caught at a station (barely, and even then you really have to try to screw up) but a gate? Not unless there's a bubble, and last I checked bubbles were strictly a nullsec thing. You'll be in warp before they can even move their mouse over to select you, let alone target you, let alone scramble you. If all you want to do is get from Point A to Point B, it really can't be beat. Seriously... if someone can gate scramble a shuttle who isn't AFK then that in itself is pretty much enough evidence right there to nail someone for hacking.
when docking its better to spam dock button or just wait ? |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
409
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Posted - 2013.04.02 12:46:00 -
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T3 Cruiser with the cloaky subsystem options, along with the one that makes you immune to non-targeted warp interdiction. Have never been caught in mine in my various roams throughout 0.0 and low sec. Been through many, many gate camps successfully. *removed inappropriate signature* - CCP Eterne |
Takseen
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
419
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Posted - 2013.04.02 12:54:00 -
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Does the prototype cloak+MWD trick still work? |
Skeln Thargensen
Filthy Carebear Tax Avoidance Shell Corp
72
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Posted - 2013.04.02 15:23:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Does the prototype cloak+MWD trick still work?
yes, I've been nosing around low sec and null a bit lately and it works for stabbers at least, probably other cruisers, maybe even BC I don't know. i've slid past heaps of gatecamps this way.
also running dual prop is a great way to solo in null. if it's a crap bubblecamp setup (on the other side of the gate) with low DPS you can burn back to the gate with afterburners on overload and you might just make it. do not aggress! also, don't warp gate to gate, do the bounce. try to get in d-scan range. you can drain your cap before warping with MWD if there's no celestial in range.
also while not pertaining to gates the off grid undock warp marker is the final tip for avoid bad campers. I feel like a tourist in this game. |
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