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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.09.07 08:01:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 07/09/2005 08:02:07
Originally by: TornSoul
Originally by: CYVOK The Ascendant Frontier has been in talks for 2 days with The5, FIX, & SE. NO ONE have been able to give us a straight answer on where they stand in the SA vs SE war.
Hmm - What does that remind me of... Oh yes - Trying to talk to ASCN
Guess the taste of your own medicine didnt taste so well.
I hope your unprecedented post (in as far as stating ASCN's intend), is a result of realizing that if you give people bull - You get back bull yourself (ie. no answers)
I'm sorry, TS, but I've got to call some bull**** of my own here.
I've known Cyvok for quite some time and am also familiar with the other leadership of CLS & ASCN as well. Whenever I've wanted to talk directly and get some straight answers, they've never failed to provide them. I may not understand / care why they do some of the things they do, but I've never been left wanting when asking for clarification on any issue. -
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CYVOK
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Posted - 2005.09.07 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Nache1 Edited by: Nache1 on 07/09/2005 07:55:28 hmm you wont let SA through your space to attack SE but you have SE in your gang to take the stations in Omist .
ASCN claim that it wasnt there fault that the southern treaty fell apart.
Now I have been back in game for a short time ( left the game for RL reasons ) and I have made my home in Omist , I had the upmost respect for ASCN up untill now . I have alot of friends in ASCN and SE . I have seen first hand how some ASCN corps treat there friends ( attacking corps in Omist a month ago ) and I have also seen how the rest of ASCN stand by there word . Well up untill now I have stayed by my word and not fired on ASCN untill today , you attack my home and make me -5 ? you hunt my corp and my friends to help your SE buddys ?
Thats all fine by me , just so we all know where you stand in this . ( this was my own views on this and not an offical statment of either Partera Tech or SA )
and yes I know I need to change my sig ..
As I just finished stating, drop the SA tag and we can chat about you keeping YOUR home in omist. ASCN know what it is like to have a home attacked. We have no need to make new enemies. If omist is your home, then what are you doing attacking SE Space?
As for our "attack" on you 6 weeks ago... we sent in 3 ships to get the point across to 2 very specific targets, that they could not set up POS's in our space. It was hardly an "attack". Tonight we sent in 116 ships, totally unplaned I might add, and bulldozed the entire region and all 3 stations, that was an attack.
Our actions are 100% in line with everything ASCN as done to this day. We leave everyone alone until they decide to mess with us or our allies. SE and ASCN have a mutual treaty, we mine, hunt and use each others stations & space. We support our allies. How this turns out, we don't know but at least we made the honorable decesion.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.09.07 08:13:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 07/09/2005 08:14:37 ah nm, again.
You did make an interesting but highly dangerous choice here Cyvok, and the arrognace displayed by your members in this thread is not helping you either. _______________________________________________
Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues. |
Arnold Schwarzennegger
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Posted - 2005.09.07 08:16:00 -
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It's not politically correct for ASCN to do such. Presumably they would be at a high risk of dying more. It is quite unfortunate that when it comes down to it, this whole ASCN / SA clash is grounded in CareBearism.
Sad.
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Fitz Chivalry
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Posted - 2005.09.07 08:17:00 -
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As soon as MASS dragged [5] into this (and no I dont believe for 1 second that they offered their support without being asked (and promisd something) by MASS) it stopped being an "Internal" conflict (if it ever was one) and became something which is threatening to undo all the good work that has been done in making the South a relatively stable region.
Just my own 2isk, not my corp or alliance view blah blah etc etc
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.09.07 08:18:00 -
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I think [5] deciding to side with MASS and SA has thrown a lot of people off guard... -
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Sickbitch
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Posted - 2005.09.07 08:22:00 -
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as far as i can see 1)SA posted an attack on SE. 2) 5 came along right after. (and we all know you wouldnt have the balls to attack anyone with out having 5 on your side way before the announcment) 3) after THE 5 picked a side ASCN picked a side.
now you running your mouth like you own everybody. lol
now for the fourth part it realy cames down to the 5 having to pick a side again, but knowing their reputation it seems clear.
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Evelyn Exxe
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Posted - 2005.09.07 08:26:00 -
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I think once MASS brought RA into the equation it was pretty clear which side [5] was going to go with.....
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.09.07 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Nache1 Edited by: Nache1 on 07/09/2005 07:55:28 hmm you wont let SA through your space to attack SE but you have SE in your gang to take the stations in Omist .
Think some one in ASCN needs to state things right the way things are happening , not the way you want everyone else to see you as .
today I was shocked at what ASCN is doing . So after reading this whole post I now got the facts ..
1) ASCN are attacking SA support systems and claiming them . 2) ASCN are alowing SE through there space to attack SA support systems . 3) ASCN claim they will only hold Omist untill this SE/SA war is over . 4) ASCN claim that it wasnt there fault that the southern treaty fell apart .( at least you tryed to hold it together this long , thanks for trying )
Now I have been back in game for a short time ( left the game for RL reasons ) and I have made my home in Omist , I had the upmost respect for ASCN up untill now . I have alot of friends in ASCN and SE . I have seen first hand how some ASCN corps treat there friends ( attacking corps in Omist a month ago ) and I have also seen how the rest of ASCN stand by there word . Well up untill now I have stayed by my word and not fired on ASCN untill today , you attack my home and make me -5 ? you hunt my corp and my friends to help your SE buddys ?
Thats all fine by me , just so we all know where you stand in this . ( this was my own views on this and not an offical statment of either Partera Tech or SA )
and yes I know I need to change my sig ..
I'd almost have respect left for you guys had you just been men about it in the first place. But it's complete selfishness. Got an axe to grind w/ Cujo? Take it up with Cujo. But you have been insisiting on involving EVERYONE else you folks possibly could on it. I would have respected you all a bunch more had you just gotten with everyone in the South first and asked us all to keep out of it.
We sould love to say it is not our problem, but since you decided to break our southern allaince, that is obviously not the case.
We're gonna do what we have to do, like I said to many ppl yesterday, we're in reaction mode. You guys started this, not us. Could have shot anyone else in the game except for about 4 entities, and we could have cared less. We were not notified of anything prior to this, yet you expected us to sit and watch 2 friends go at each other, to the death? And who exactly was gonna be left to pick up the pieces? Sometimes, you ppl just don't think...
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.09.07 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene I think [5] deciding to side with MASS and SA has thrown a lot of people off guard...
I think it was the obvious and only choice tbh, but that's just my p.o.v., not BoB's take on it.
SE did abysmally against G and it seems high time that someone takes the broom through it. If we were to look on it purely utilitarian here, a weak alliance is of no use to anyone. Therefore, I am glad this war happened, let it trim off some fat and let's have the leaner and meaner SE/A back again.
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Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues. |
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Nache1
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Posted - 2005.09.07 08:32:00 -
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Nothing against you CYVOK , but if you were only trying to get a message through to someone about a pos in your space thats all fine and dandy , but why then did your guys attack the other corps in Omist ? I know this for a fact sence I lost a megathron to 2 of your corp members in d2 !
maybe that wasnt made known to you , no idea .
Drop the SA tag so I can go back to my home ? it was a corp choice to join SA and help Trigger . Trigger has so far stood by all his friends ( for the short time I have known him ) in Omist . What do you do when a friend asks for your help ? you join them in there fight , then you sort out if you stay with SA or go back home to Omist .
We " cannon fodder " are more then holding our own in this fight to help a friend in need . that is all ... no more no less .
I hope this can be sorted by the higher ups before it gets to be to much bigger .I would like to stay friends with ASCN and not have them as targets . An attack is an attack no matter what size of force you use .
So we will see where this go's from here ..
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Emilia White
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Posted - 2005.09.07 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: Nache1 Nothing against you CYVOK , but if you were only trying to get a message through to someone about a pos in your space thats all fine and dandy , but why then did your guys attack the other corps in Omist ? I know this for a fact sence I lost a megathron to 2 of your corp members in d2 !
maybe that wasnt made known to you , no idea .
Drop the SA tag so I can go back to my home ? it was a corp choice to join SA and help Trigger . Trigger has so far stood by all his friends ( for the short time I have known him ) in Omist . What do you do when a friend asks for your help ? you join them in there fight , then you sort out if you stay with SA or go back home to Omist .
We " cannon fodder " are more then holding our own in this fight to help a friend in need . that is all ... no more no less .
I hope this can be sorted by the higher ups before it gets to be to much bigger .I would like to stay friends with ASCN and not have them as targets . An attack is an attack no matter what size of force you use .
So we will see where this go's from here ..
words of a true carebear, tell me trigger where did you dig these corps up?
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Arnold Schwarzennegger
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Posted - 2005.09.07 08:36:00 -
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Stain Empire hasn't done much for the unification of the South aside from providing a safe haven for everyone else to NPC in their space.
Sanshas 4tw!
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2005.09.07 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Seleene I think [5] deciding to side with MASS and SA has thrown a lot of people off guard...
I think it was the obvious and only choice tbh, but that's just my p.o.v., not BoB's take on it.
SE did abysmally against G and it seems high time that someone takes the broom through it. If we were to look on it purely utilitarian here, a weak alliance is of no use to anyone. Therefore, I am glad this war happened, let it trim off some fat and let's have the leaner and meaner SE/A back again.
Still, I'd rather go for a weaker alliance than a backstabbing/ego ridden one any time...
Also, "no use" is big words for someone who was able to field impressively sized fleet imo.
- Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius) |
Nafri
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Posted - 2005.09.07 08:45:00 -
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interesting
Since 5 are supporting the SA, how will this end?
Your bla bla hit bla bla for bla bla damage. Wanna have some bubu now? |
Arnold Schwarzennegger
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Posted - 2005.09.07 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Seleene I think [5] deciding to side with MASS and SA has thrown a lot of people off guard...
I think it was the obvious and only choice tbh, but that's just my p.o.v., not BoB's take on it.
SE did abysmally against G and it seems high time that someone takes the broom through it. If we were to look on it purely utilitarian here, a weak alliance is of no use to anyone. Therefore, I am glad this war happened, let it trim off some fat and let's have the leaner and meaner SE/A back again.
Still, I'd rather go for a weaker alliance than a backstabbing/ego ridden one any time...
Also, "no use" is big words for someone who was able to field impressively sized fleet imo.
What's the matter, are you afraid ASCN will be next after SE crumbles? Your logic, or lack thereof, amuses me. The largest alliance in the game fails in comparison to the embodiment of an alliance who used to call themselves 'the Coalition'??
Give me a break, give me a break, break me off a piece of that Kit Kat bar.
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CYVOK
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Posted - 2005.09.07 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Nache1
It was a corp choice to join SA and help Trigger . Trigger has so far stood by all his friends ( for the short time I have known him ) in Omist . What do you do when a friend asks for your help ? you join them in there fight , then you sort out if you stay with SA or go back home to Omist .
You are standing by your allies, ASCN is standing by ours.
For this reason alone you and I should have some mutual understanding of the decesions made today and perhaps a bit of mutual respect.
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Ragnar Redmane
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Posted - 2005.09.07 08:49:00 -
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Well us "Cannon fodder/Carebear`s" are managing a 5-1 kill ratio
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BlackSabbath
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Posted - 2005.09.07 08:50:00 -
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alt with a refresh button, deadly combination "i am only here to **** you off" |
Silvitni
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Posted - 2005.09.07 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Seleene I think [5] deciding to side with MASS and SA has thrown a lot of people off guard...
I think it was the obvious and only choice tbh, but that's just my p.o.v., not BoB's take on it.
SE did abysmally against G and it seems high time that someone takes the broom through it. If we were to look on it purely utilitarian here, a weak alliance is of no use to anyone. Therefore, I am glad this war happened, let it trim off some fat and let's have the leaner and meaner SE/A back again.
Still, I'd rather go for a weaker alliance than a backstabbing/ego ridden one any time...
Also, "no use" is big words for someone who was able to field impressively sized fleet imo.
Backstabbing - Xetic - ASCN - nap [5]
Rings a bell?
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BlackSabbath
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Posted - 2005.09.07 08:58:00 -
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more like xetic backstabing xetic = ascn "i am only here to **** you off" |
Arnold Schwarzennegger
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Posted - 2005.09.07 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: BlackSabbath more like xetic backstabing xetic = ascn
soon enough I would imagine you'll know how it really feels. It's not much fun, I can tell you that much.
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.09.07 08:59:00 -
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Me, i'm cheering on the side with the guns.
*sotto whisper from off stage*
Huh? Yes, i KNOW they all have guns.
Well, whatever the reasons, whatever the outcome, everyone of you have a braw time shooting each other, k?
Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
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R'adeh
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Posted - 2005.09.07 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Silvitni\ Backstabbing - Xetic - ASCN - nap [5
Rings a bell?
Comon' dude, let it be good...why is it that somehow you guys manage to spam so many threads with comments like that over and over and over again? Since the whole affair doesn't really concern you, go to the pub for a beer and we'll see you up north in a while
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Nepereta
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Posted - 2005.09.07 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: HadHaFangs Im going to be blunt honest
I Dont give a rats rear about SA or SE in their current war. What i do care about is my corp.
Solar Winds has friends on both sides, and does not wish to fight either side.
How is ASCN going to handle the number of corps that moved to Omist to setup a claim out there. Is ASCN going to "Remove" them from the space they said they could inhabit just because of what MASS is doing.
As of right now SOLAR WIND IS NETURAL in the conflict and wishes to remain that way until otherwise stated
Dude get your people to talk to ASCN. If you wanna state your neutrality then do so via the correct channels.
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FraXy
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Posted - 2005.09.07 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: R'adeh
Originally by: Silvitni\ Backstabbing - Xetic - ASCN - nap [5
Rings a bell?
Comon' dude, let it be good...why is it that somehow you guys manage to spam so many threads with comments like that over and over and over again? Since the whole affair doesn't really concern you, go to the pub for a beer and we'll see you up north in a while
TouchŢ...
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LokeDemonG
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Posted - 2005.09.07 09:07:00 -
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"ALL SA Forces are hereby notified to STAY OUT of Feyth, Impass & Ominst. We ARE NOT claming OMIST and will happily return it to the “winner” of this war. However for the time being consider the region under ASCN care"
Riding 2 horses?
Imo, u just lost ur "homeworld"?
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Arud
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Posted - 2005.09.07 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sick***** as far as i can see 1)SA posted an attack on SE. 2) 5 came along right after. (and we all know you wouldnt have the balls to attack anyone with out having 5 on your side way before the announcment) 3) after THE 5 picked a side ASCN picked a side.
now you running your mouth like you own everybody. lol
now for the fourth part it realy cames down to the 5 having to pick a side again, but knowing their reputation it seems clear.
V was there first claiming support for SE
so it was like this
1. SE and SA go to war, goddie goody 2. V claim support to SE, so far only political support 3. 5 claim support to SA, so far only political support 4. ASCN claim support for SE, direct involvement with a funny statement of not going to get involved, ASCN has shown that this is not between just SE and SA, this is now between SE and friends and SA and friends, and most likely will result in more chaos than it would have without them.
Contrary to what ASCN claims of "WE WILL NOT be in the middle of a war" and "not want the south to fall back into total chaos" they are getting directly involved and causing more chaos. Well now we know how they play.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.09.07 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 07/09/2005 08:14:37 ah nm, again.
You did make an interesting but highly dangerous choice here Cyvok, and the arrognace displayed by your members in this thread is not helping you either.
I'm not seeing much arrogance in this thread. Just solid facts.
Ayeilla > Yes, Lineage 2 has the most unhelpful Gm's and tech support around
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ArcticFox
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Posted - 2005.09.07 09:32:00 -
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Everyone is accusing eachother of arrogance in this thread, mostly I just see a lot of sleepy, slightly annoyed, confusion. Everyone accusing eachother of not talking to everyone else. Nobody is playing this to perfect standards of diplomacy (would make for a dull game if we did) and no side is completely blameless for what follows, regardless of the kind of outraged posts we make. Meh, this is just my personal opinion. ----------------------------------
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