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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
543
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:29:00 -
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Andrea Griffin wrote:My high sec bear is in a small corporation that was war-decced by a MUCH larger alliance looking for easy kills. It was three players - myself and two friends - against an alliance with well over a hundred active members.
I took to a covert ops ship, spent a day looking around for these people, and eventually found their home base. It turned out that this alliance likes to take in new players to the game - and not prepare them at all for war. I would sit in the system cloaked (sometimes for hours, waiting) until I found a newbie at a gate or asteroid belt or planet. I'd uncloak, kill his frigate, pop the pod, and escape.
Kill board, or it didn't happen.
I'm betting didn't happen. You seem like one of those big alliance guys trying to con the carebears into trying to fight.
Carebears will not be fooled. We know, the best way to minimize wars is to simply not log in during the war. |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
543
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:31:00 -
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Ayuren Aakiwa wrote: By giving the remaining players a much more authentic sandbox and overall fun game.
There won't be any remaining players, if CCP is bankrupt...
Sheesh.
Some people....
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Ayuren Aakiwa
Wyvern Operations
59
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:34:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Ayuren Aakiwa wrote: By giving the remaining players a much more authentic sandbox and overall fun game.
There won't be any remaining players, if CCP is bankrupt... Sheesh. Some people....
I sincerely think a good portion would adapt to no hisec, and those that don't should **** off anyways. Ccp did just fine with much less subs for a long time. pew pew 24/7 |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
543
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:35:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote: i think that's the first sensible thing i've ever seen you post.
Wow!
Either you don't read much of what I post, or... well... you may not be the sharpest tool in the shed. |
Skeln Thargensen
Filthy Carebear Tax Avoidance Shell Corp
72
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:36:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Carebears will not be fooled. We know, the best way to minimize wars is to simply not log in during the war.
nah 'cos they get some satisfaction out of that. drag them down to lowsec if they want to fight and see what real PvP is like, ie. full of surprise third party *********. I feel like a tourist in this game. |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
543
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:37:00 -
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Ayuren Aakiwa wrote: I sincerely think a good portion would adapt to no hisec, and those that don't should **** off anyways. Ccp did just fine with much less subs for a long time.
And I think you are wrong.
I'm waiting with baited breath for some, ANY, details on the spacescape, rebalance coming with Odyssey. Will I be unsubbing 3 of my accounts, or all 4?
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Ayuren Aakiwa
Wyvern Operations
60
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:39:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Ayuren Aakiwa wrote: I sincerely think a good portion would adapt to no hisec, and those that don't should **** off anyways. Ccp did just fine with much less subs for a long time.
And I think you are wrong. I'm waiting with baited breath for some, ANY, details on the spacescape, rebalance coming with Odyssey. Will I be unsubbing 3 of my accounts, or all 4?
Hopefully all 4 pew pew 24/7 |
Andy Landen
Air Red Alliance
99
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:41:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:LHA Tarawa wrote:Carebears will not be fooled. We know, the best way to minimize wars is to simply not log in during the war. nah 'cos they get some satisfaction out of that. drag them down to lowsec if they want to fight and see what real PvP is like, ie. full of surprise third party *********. Unlike what many think, real pvp is NOT about getting a blob together to take down a single pve ship. |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
543
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:46:00 -
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Andy Landen wrote: Unlike what many think, real pvp is NOT about getting a blob together to take down a single pve ship.
This has to be the most classic example of the Scotsman Logically Fallacy I've ever seen.
Most people at least attempt to disguise their logical fallacies a little. |
Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:47:00 -
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5: Blind gates, you can already see what's waiting for you on the other side of a gate, it's called a scout in a cheap cloaky ship, once again the mechanics are in place, and once again some people choose not to use them.
You condescending bunch of pricks....why do always assume EVERYBODY can actually afford a second account?
8) Elitist wankers who think every other player is wrong. |
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Skeln Thargensen
Filthy Carebear Tax Avoidance Shell Corp
72
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:58:00 -
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Andy Landen wrote:Unlike what many think, real pvp is NOT about getting a blob together to take down a single pve ship.
that wasn't my point, which was real PvP takes place in a hostile environment where third parties can interrupt without notice or CONCORD intervention. I feel like a tourist in this game. |
Skeln Thargensen
Filthy Carebear Tax Avoidance Shell Corp
72
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Posted - 2013.04.02 19:03:00 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:You condescending bunch of pricks....why do always assume EVERYBODY can actually afford a second account?
it is pretty bad, to the point where you see threads where people are enquiring about whether it's possible to solo L5s and people are like sure with 4 alts and they're like errrrrr.
low-sec is totally doable solo without scouts if you learn the cloak and MWD trick. it should work on most fairly quick aligning ships. I feel like a tourist in this game. |
Andy Landen
Air Red Alliance
99
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Posted - 2013.04.02 19:08:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Andy Landen wrote: Unlike what many think, real pvp is NOT about getting a blob together to take down a single pve ship.
This has to be the most classic example of the Scotsman Logically Fallacy I've ever seen. Most people at least attempt to disguise their logical fallacies a little. By definition, blobbing a pve ship is what pve content is all about. Real pvpers are not so bad that they have to hide in a blob against a single pve ship. By definition, because they are real pvpers, they have some amount of skill and courage. |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
543
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Posted - 2013.04.02 19:32:00 -
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Andy Landen wrote:LHA Tarawa wrote:Andy Landen wrote: Unlike what many think, real pvp is NOT about getting a blob together to take down a single pve ship.
This has to be the most classic example of the Scotsman Logically Fallacy I've ever seen. Most people at least attempt to disguise their logical fallacies a little. Andy Landen wrote: By definition, blobbing a pve ship is what pve content is all about.
Making up definitions is what the Scotsman Fallacy is all about. And, here, you are doing it again. PvE is player vs, NPC. If they ship you are shooting is controlled by a NPC, then it is PvE. If it is controlled by another player, then it is NOT PvE. Creating some new definition, then using that definition to prove your point, is the Scotsman Logical Fallacy. [quote=Andy Landen] Real pvpers are not so bad that they have to hide in a blob against a single pve ship. By definition, because they are real pvpers, they have some amount of skill and courage.
Still the Scotsman Logical Fallacy. Hint, the use of "Real" in your statement, just before redefining the word, is a sure give away that it is the Scotsman Logical Fallacy.
Again, you may want to at least attempt to disguise your use of logical fallacy in failed attempts to make a point. Like, maybe, NOT using "real" before a word, in an attempt to magically alter the definition of the word.
Here is an example. A player whose KB stats are just blobbing PVE ships, gets negative reputation as a good PvPer to me.
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Dave Stark
2317
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Posted - 2013.04.02 19:34:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Dave Stark wrote: i think that's the first sensible thing i've ever seen you post.
Wow! Either you don't read much of what I post, or... well... you may not be the sharpest tool in the shed.
actually, i read a lot of what you post.
most of it's that stupid and bad that i can gleefully call it "amusing". although, not quite in a good way. you waste time reading this? |
Rahmiro
Wormhole Exploration Crew R.E.P.O.
22
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Posted - 2013.04.02 19:34:00 -
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Andrea Griffin wrote:My high sec bear is in a small corporation that was war-decced by a MUCH larger alliance looking for easy kills. It was three players - myself and two friends - against an alliance with well over a hundred active members. I took to a covert ops ship, spent a day looking around for these people, and eventually found their home base. It turned out that this alliance likes to take in new players to the game - and not prepare them at all for war. I would sit in the system cloaked (sometimes for hours, waiting) until I found a newbie at a gate or asteroid belt or planet. I'd uncloak, kill his frigate, pop the pod, and escape. I swapped to a bomber and popped a few mining barges, too. Then a destroyer for some quick fun. I would change things up, keep them guessing, so they couldn't just hit the directional scanner and see "Oh, there's a Coercer on scan, time to dock!" After I had gotten a half dozen kills, some in a covert ops (because I could and it's humiliating) and sent polite mails to my victims (your alliance is not preparing you for Eve, they started this war, look elsewhere, check out Eve-Uni), they started to hemorrhage recruits. That hurt. It didn't hurt their kill board much - the value of newbies in cheap mining frigates isn't exactly a lot - but it did hurt their pride and it hurt their morale. Once a few new players left for greener pastures, more followed. The war ended not long after. It doesn't make for a great war story, I don't consider myself some kind of elite PvP pilot, and I certainly don't like to shoot at newbies that just joined the game and don't know any better, but I didn't start the war. So, what can we learn about this? As a single player I cannot take on a large number of combat pilots by myself. I'm not Garmon nor any other elite PvP type. I don't have wads of cash for expensive ships full of faction and officer loot. I don't even have a booster alt. What I can do is look for the weak links. The stragglers. The haulers. People who are a little less smart than I am about Eve (difficult to find, but they exist). The people who simply aren't paying attention and don't even know what a warp scrambler is. I took the aggressive actions of a much larger entity and did the best I could to respond to it. Minimize my risk, maximize theirs. What I didn't do was whine about it. This happened quite a while ago. These days, you have a tool that I never did: You can open your war dec up for assistance from a third party. You don't even have to undock to fight back. If nothing else, you have 3 slots on your account. Play with a different character while your enemies waste money on someone that won't ever log in. Andy Landen wrote:Oh yeah. Forgot to add: 8) Forum Trolls. Not really a feature of the Eve client, but none-the-less annoying. I don't like them either, but there's little that will be done about that, I'm afraid.
This is one of the better war stories I've read in quite sometime. Good stuff. This is why I enjoy the game. I never seen these people in my life. I don't recognize them Your Honor |
YuuKnow
Terra-Formers
694
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Posted - 2013.04.02 19:40:00 -
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Andy Landen wrote:So much going for Eve Online, but quite a few really stupid and game breaking mechanics. Top 7 things I hate about Eve Online:
1) Cyno's - many players gang up against single players. Instant movement of large super capital blobs across vast distances. 2) Stealth ships - the untouchable vehicle for cynos. Instant-locking-after-decloak stealth bombers. 3) Bumping - Many players gang up against single players. Doesn't even do damage. 4) HS Wars - Many players ganging up against single players. 5) Blind gates - Many players gang up against single players, who cannot see the other side of the gate. 6) POS POS's - What a pain. Single players cannot control these independent of the corp (many players). 7) Titans and Supers - DD ista-pop carrier. Motherships with insane ehp and damage compared to their carrier counterparts.
I agree with most of the issues with hot-drops, capitals, and supercapitals. I disagree with the gripes about WHs and HS wars as IMHO they are a good way to induce risk into the game.
yk |
Kali Omega
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
42
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Posted - 2013.04.02 22:11:00 -
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Andy Landen wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:LHA Tarawa wrote:Carebears will not be fooled. We know, the best way to minimize wars is to simply not log in during the war. nah 'cos they get some satisfaction out of that. drag them down to lowsec if they want to fight and see what real PvP is like, ie. full of surprise third party *********. Unlike what many think, real pvp is NOT about getting a blob together to take down a single pve ship.
What is this "real pvp" thing you are trying to pass off? If i see a "single pve ship" floating in a belt why would i not get my friends to come in and join the fun? If that "single pve" ship isn't smart enough to watch local and dscan then he is gonig to die. I think you think "real pvp" is pvp that both parties agree to and have a fair ground on both sides.
If Eve online was fair then it would be boring... |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1497
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Posted - 2013.04.02 22:21:00 -
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Looks like the OP just hates risk. |
Andy Landen
Air Red Alliance
100
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Posted - 2013.04.02 22:33:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote: Still the Scotsman Logical Fallacy. Hint, the use of "Real" in your statement, just before redefining the word, is a sure give away that it is the Scotsman Logical Fallacy.
Again, you may want to at least attempt to disguise your use of logical fallacy in failed attempts to make a point. Like, maybe, NOT using "real" before a word, in an attempt to magically alter the definition of the word.
Here is an example. A player whose KB stats are just blobbing PVE ships, gets negative reputation as a good PvPer to me.
The word "real" is a legitimate word, such as, you are a real tool. Which we are all seeing is true. LOL. |
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baltec1
Bat Country
5784
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Posted - 2013.04.02 22:39:00 -
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Whats all this piffle? |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
1400
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Posted - 2013.04.02 22:43:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Whats all this piffle?
Rant thread moved to GD from F&I for some reason.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Garreth Vlox
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
117
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Posted - 2013.04.02 22:59:00 -
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Andy Landen wrote:Kali Omega wrote:
One thing i hate about eve online.
People like you.
Oh yeah. Forgot to add: 8) Forum Trolls. Not really a feature of the Eve client, but none-the-less annoying.
I don't think he was going for the obvious troll opportunity presented by your previous butthurt post where you detail how CCP needs to redesign the game to make it more fun for you. More likely he was complaining about people like yourself who expect devs making a game for tens of thousands to hand craft it specifically for them so that it does everything they want, the way they want it to, when they want it to. And when that doesn't happen they go on the forums and make pointless threads, like this one, about how things that have been in the game since day one, (gate camping, using an alt scout etc) haven't been changed to suit them yet. The LULZ Boat. |
Kali Omega
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
46
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Posted - 2013.04.02 23:11:00 -
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Andy Landen wrote:LHA Tarawa wrote: Still the Scotsman Logical Fallacy. Hint, the use of "Real" in your statement, just before redefining the word, is a sure give away that it is the Scotsman Logical Fallacy.
Again, you may want to at least attempt to disguise your use of logical fallacy in failed attempts to make a point. Like, maybe, NOT using "real" before a word, in an attempt to magically alter the definition of the word.
Here is an example. A player whose KB stats are just blobbing PVE ships, gets negative reputation as a good PvPer to me.
The word "real" is a legitimate word, such as, you are a real tool. Which we are all seeing is true. LOL. Edit: I agree that risk is good, but removing risk from the pvpers and transferring it all to the pve'ers just sounds like you want easy kills and don't want to work very hard or risk much yourself.
When you quoted "Real is a legitimate word, such as , you are a real tool" I think you ment to quote my statement where i quoted you talking about "real pvp" But you call me to tool? You crack me up andy you really do. Please go edit your post quick like you did before so you can avoid looking like more of a fool infront of everyone.
But lets get back on topic
So your saying that if a "solo pve" ship is in a belt or somewhere in lowsec/null sec i should just leave him alone becuase he is a easy kill?
It is work to find a solo or in your words "easy kill" For the most part people in eve are not dumb and they do check dscan and a eye on local. So for me being -10 it is hard to find a target before he warps out to a station. And to be honest i would not have it any other way...that makes the hunt that much more fun.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1160
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Posted - 2013.04.02 23:25:00 -
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Andy Landen wrote:I dislike that other people are playing this game and that I can't do everything in it by myself. Short version. |
Frying Doom
2117
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Posted - 2013.04.02 23:33:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Andy Landen wrote:I dislike that other people are playing this game and that I can't do everything in it by myself. Short version. The funny thing is that was going to be my joke answer for this thread. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
7682
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Posted - 2013.04.02 23:56:00 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:5: Blind gates, you can already see what's waiting for you on the other side of a gate, it's called a scout in a cheap cloaky ship, once again the mechanics are in place, and once again some people choose not to use them. You condescending bunch of pricks....why do always assume EVERYBODY can actually afford a second account? 8) Elitist wankers who think every other player is wrong.
Who said it had to be a second account? I certainly didn't, and I certainly don't have one, I have something better, it's called friends.
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and every machiavellian space bastard in it. MY CSM ballot is as follows, Psychotic Monk, Mangala Solaris, Malconis, Mynnna, Apricot Baby, Ali Aras, Steve Ronuken. |
Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
103
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Posted - 2013.04.03 00:04:00 -
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Kali Omega wrote:You started a thread about things you don't like about eve online. I just gave you what i dont like about eve you hypocritical ass
oO
since when did you grow a pair kali? now back to the kitchen with you |
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics CODE.
716
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Posted - 2013.04.03 00:14:00 -
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I give you, the modern carebear. He views the other players as the biggest issue with his favorite MMO. |
Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.04.03 01:03:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Drago Shouna wrote:5: Blind gates, you can already see what's waiting for you on the other side of a gate, it's called a scout in a cheap cloaky ship, once again the mechanics are in place, and once again some people choose not to use them. You condescending bunch of pricks....why do always assume EVERYBODY can actually afford a second account? 8) Elitist wankers who think every other player is wrong. Who said it had to be a second account? I wrote that "condescending post" and I certainly didn't, and I certainly don't have one either, I have something better, it's called friends.
A few weeks ago I was bored and thought about doing something different..So I decided to go have a look at LS just to see what all the fuss was about. Off I went to the nearest system I could find, it was a 0.4 system, not exactly hardcore null sec but it was scary enough just with the rating. I went in a cheap ship and warped to the gate and through it...then woke up in my medical station..........As soon as I had poked my nose through the gate I got locked, killed and podded, for absolutely no reason other than I had gone through the gate..And you seriously expect me to ask friends to risk the same fate? If you do then you're the worst kind of friend or corp mate there is. |
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