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Tennessee Jack
Blac-x
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Posted - 2013.04.02 19:22:00 -
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I was going to put this in the suggestion area, but I find myself asking "why" more than "could you do it".
So we have Gravimetric sites that spawn ore, the lifeblood of all manufacturing. Yet we do not have any Ice Belts that can be found through exploration. So why do they not exist? I would think this would be an option for those who icemine, or for those who live in wormholes, or low, or null, or heck even high. They probe down a site, find its ice, and... well mine it.
Just curious why it's not in game. |
Spondoo Lix
University of Caille Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2013.04.02 19:23:00 -
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Because ice doesn't run out? |
Berluth Luthian
14th Legion Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2013.04.02 19:29:00 -
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OOOOooh...proving the CAUSE of the non-existence of something... that's a pretty tough logical/rhetorical problem to argue over. |
Hobgo Togenada
Tinfoil Hat Club
0
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Posted - 2013.04.02 19:54:00 -
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Ask your local Goonswarm representative!
It was their decision! Feel like spreading "false" rumors? Trolling random alts? Then "TINFOIL HAT CLUB" is for you! Apply today and spread the "truth."
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Tennessee Jack
Blac-x
32
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Posted - 2013.04.02 20:00:00 -
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Spondoo Lix wrote:Because ice doesn't run out?
But don't Grav Sites disappear after 2 or 3 days? And from my understanding, in lowsec/nullsec/wormholes, the Grav sites probed out are generally so massive that it would take a armada of Hulk's mining it 24/7 to possibly actually finish it off in 2 or so days?
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Jacid
Sacrificial Lambs The Devil's Warrior Alliance
19
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Posted - 2013.04.02 20:05:00 -
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Because why would you mine in a grav site when you can just mine in a belt... The only flip side to this would be if grav sites had null sec ice in them.. might make worth doing
My 2 Cents |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3980
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Posted - 2013.04.02 20:11:00 -
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Jacid wrote:Because why would you mine in a grav site when you can just mine in a belt... The only flip side to this would be if grav sites had null sec ice in them.. might make worth doing
My 2 Cents
Yes, if they had Dark Glitter in them especially.
This would not stop ISBoxers but would stop Bots. That's really the only advantage. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2545
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Posted - 2013.04.02 20:13:00 -
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There are no probes for ice. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3980
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Posted - 2013.04.02 20:14:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:There are no probes for ice.
For once your logic is "oops".
There are probes for Grav Sites.
That's where the Ice would be. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
100
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Posted - 2013.04.02 20:59:00 -
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There is no gravity in ice. Learn to science. kthxbai |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3983
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Posted - 2013.04.02 21:05:00 -
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Markku Laaksonen wrote:There is no gravity in ice. Learn to science. kthxbai
Actually, tell the OP. It was his idea. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Arronicus
Shadows of Vorlon The Marmite Collective
501
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Posted - 2013.04.02 21:09:00 -
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Tennessee Jack wrote:Spondoo Lix wrote:Because ice doesn't run out? But don't Grav Sites disappear after 2 or 3 days? And from my understanding, in lowsec/nullsec/wormholes, the Grav sites probed out are generally so massive that it would take a armada of Hulk's mining it 24/7 to possibly actually finish it off in 2 or so days?
A single player with 6 hulks and a rorq running boosts can Cycle a large grav site multiple times in 1 day. Hardly an armada. |
Tennessee Jack
Blac-x
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Posted - 2013.04.02 21:13:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:Tennessee Jack wrote:Spondoo Lix wrote:Because ice doesn't run out? But don't Grav Sites disappear after 2 or 3 days? And from my understanding, in lowsec/nullsec/wormholes, the Grav sites probed out are generally so massive that it would take a armada of Hulk's mining it 24/7 to possibly actually finish it off in 2 or so days? A single player with 6 hulks and a rorq running boosts can Cycle a large grav site multiple times in 1 day. Hardly an armada.
So 1 guy with 7 accounts.....
Did not answer Ops question though. Why don't they exist? |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2545
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Posted - 2013.04.02 21:56:00 -
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Until there is vodka, there won't be rocks to put it on. |
Jacid
Sacrificial Lambs The Devil's Warrior Alliance
20
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Posted - 2013.04.02 22:13:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Until there is vodka, there won't be rocks to put it on. Someone needs to make a new forum post for Quafe Vodka |
Tennessee Jack
Blac-x
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Posted - 2013.04.02 22:16:00 -
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Jacid wrote:Because why would you mine in a grav site when you can just mine in a belt... The only flip side to this would be if grav sites had null sec ice in them.. might make worth doing
My 2 Cents
Probably the first constructive answer someone gave. That and I would have to agree with that assertion.
Well I figure mining in belts.. That's not what I'm aiming at. I'm curious why they haven't just adjusted the whole ice belt concept, and incorporate them into exploration itself. There are actually people out there who would want to probe out belts, especially lowsec/nullsec/wormhole corporations.
I'm somewhat considering this question more for lowsec, nullsec and wormholes, though I can see this applying to highsec also.
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Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
922
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Posted - 2013.04.02 22:36:00 -
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Well hopefully with the mining update, static everlasting ice belts will go and be replaced by ice in grav sites (rings/comets etc.) - redistribution of resources and all that |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1106
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Posted - 2013.04.02 22:50:00 -
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If ice was in grav sites, how would you expect the bots to find them? HTFU!...for the children! |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
406
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Posted - 2013.04.02 22:54:00 -
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Solhild wrote:Well hopefully with the mining update, static everlasting ice belts will go and be replaced by ice in grav sites (rings/comets etc.) - redistribution of resources and all that
Hopefully this will be the case.
Some ice belts actually did get nerfed about 4-5 years ago, as there aren't nearly so many in High Sec (at least) as there used to be.
And, as others have said -- ice never realistically depletes. Which, ironically, if it were most other substances people would be screaming "imbalance" and pitching a tantie in Jita over it.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2546
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Posted - 2013.04.02 23:41:00 -
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Jacid wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Until there is vodka, there won't be rocks to put it on. Someone needs to make a new forum post for Quafe Vodka
Imagine this commercial for Bacardi and Cola, but for Quafe and Vodka and on a Gallente Pleasure cruiser.
El Linko |
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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1283
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Posted - 2013.04.03 01:03:00 -
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Really Ice should be mixed into normal grav sites(not all but some), and ice should be depletable, even in statics. I still don't understand the idea of infinite ice roids. Don't Vote for Malcanis
New Eden Training Simulation. -áIdea to improve NPE. |
Sentamon
802
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Posted - 2013.04.03 05:26:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Really Ice should be mixed into normal grav sites(not all but some), and ice should be depletable, even in statics. I still don't understand the idea of infinite ice roids.
It's an evil plot so you make 50 accounts to make ice mining profitable. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
John Grimm
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
0
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Posted - 2013.04.03 06:08:00 -
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Quote:Imagine this commercial for Bacardi and Cola, but for Quafe and Vodka and on a Gallente Pleasure cruiser. El Linko
That was awesome and would be funny as hell. CCP make this happen. Steel and Iron guard me well, or else i'm dead and doomed to Hell |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
100
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Posted - 2013.04.03 12:37:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Markku Laaksonen wrote:There is no gravity in ice. Learn to science. kthxbai Actually, tell the OP. It was his idea. Edit: also, Ice has mass, therefore, GRAVITY.
Then why doesn't ice stick to my fridge?
http://media.techeblog.com/images/strange-demotivational-posters.jpg |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
409
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Posted - 2013.04.03 12:51:00 -
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Gravimetric Icebelt sites? Why do they not exist?
Because it would allow Wormhole groups to produce their POS fuels internally. It's the same reason there is very little tritanium in there; shortages mean you must handle logistics and take risks transporting (partial) products and fuels. If wspace had it's own Ice, there would be little reason to make trips back to (read: interact with) kspace at all. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1219
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Posted - 2013.04.03 13:37:00 -
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They don't exist because no one would mine them. And then they would clog up grav site positions for exploration. Mining Overhaul Nothing changed since 2008. |
Friggz
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
80
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Posted - 2013.04.03 13:44:00 -
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The only use I can see is for wormhole corps since I think if you could get ice in the hole from grav sites you could make everything else you need for fuel off PI. I'd imagine CCP doesn't want self sufficient holes, though. Re-elect Trebor Daehdoow for a stronger CSM 8. |
Tennessee Jack
Blac-x
33
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Posted - 2013.04.03 15:30:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Gravimetric Icebelt sites? Why do they not exist?
Because it would allow Wormhole groups to produce their POS fuels internally. It's the same reason there is very little tritanium in there; shortages mean you must handle logistics and take risks transporting (partial) products and fuels. If wspace had it's own Ice, there would be little reason to make trips back to (read: interact with) kspace at all.
Well lets really look at this more indepth.
The only person who really connects with kspace, are the logistics guys. On average, its 1 freighters, and 2 haulers moving ice materials into the hole. They are the only ones who realistically interact with Kspace on any regular basis.
Now if they did put Ice in Signatures.. what would happen?
Would the people be able to make POS fuel in there hole? Yea probably.
Would more people be Targets in the wormhole... well yes. You now have to organize mining operations to mine the ice, obviously boosted. You would have multiple miner's out, in addition, you'd have a pvp fleet out doing guard duty, or raiding other's who try to get into the hole. You'd have bombers trying to blow up the miner's, T3's trying to get those people on the mining op...
I don't quite see how that is a bad thing. Right now, the only interaction the bulk of wormhole corps have with highsec (in regards to POS fuel and Ice Products), is flying an out of corp alt to Jita, placing buy orders, and hauling it to the highsec entrance of the hole, and having a few industrials haul the stuff in. That happens maybe... once a month. The wormholer's aren't going to the icebelts to mine the crap themselves, and if so, it'll be 1 guy with 2 miner's, probably all out of corp, afkish mining it midday once a week or 2. I don't see how the current setup causes "kspace" interaction in any level atm.
Now you could break this up into what nullsec corps do. DO they need actual interaction with highsec.. no. If they do, out of corp hauler, they leave jita, lite a cyno and warp away in 3 seconds, and start bouncing home. That's about the most they'll interact with highsec.
Lowsec.. well same thing, they have the logistical advantage with jump freighters.
In addition.. well they have their own icebelts they can mine themselves, if they so choose to. Wormhole people nether have the logistic advantage Kspace does (We gave that up to live in a wormhole), but they also neither have the access to a basic product, Ice, to fuel such things. Now wormholer's don't have access to random belts like most of kspace does, they have to probe the stuff out and hope it spawns.
Wormholers.. well good luck with that. They already sacrifice allot just to live in such a place. I just don't see the arguement that they have to interact with Kspace, being a valid one. I mean if you really want conflict driver's, Ice for fuel for wormhole people would be one.
I'm thinking that the same approach could be done with ice products. If you really want to make it interesting, make the yields relatively low, and add new alchemy to transmute ice from onetype to another (so you don't have to put in 4 different type of ice asteroids, just 1 new one, and the wh corps would have to transmute it to the product they need). |
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