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Tippia
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:38:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Its total abuse of his CSM position GǪhow is his telling the goons to kill people an abuse of his CSM position?
As for the scams, why would he be trusted in-game just because of an out-of-game position?
Why would I trust the Goon (aka prolific scammer and generally untrustworthy guy, not to mention self-proclaimed spy-master) Mittens just because the Alexander is CSM chair? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:43:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Out of game position being a member of CSM is an ingame position Ah. I think we've found the source of your confusion and why you accidentally trusted the wrong guy for the wrong reasons.
No.
RL Gëá game. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:21:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:No they voted for you because you are the alliance leader and you prob offered them free ships or some bribe, the rest of eve did not vote for you. Who are GÇ£theyGÇ¥? Goons?
GǪand you're quite wrong about the rest of EVE as well.
Quote:You represent all that is bad about eve. No. Like the man said, he represents war and murder, not safety and weakness. So you got that one quite the wrong way around.
Quote:You very essence is about pouring misery on eve players and this is bad for eve. EVE being a game about misery, pouring it on its players is rather good for the game, you knowGǪ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:31:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Malcanis wrote:Why shouldn't he attack ice miners? Oh god i wondered when you was going to show up, to the usual trolls have posted you, drake, and well others... So why shouldn't he attack ice miners?
How is he abusing his position? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:37:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:So your saying the CSM DOES NOT represent the eve player base as a whole? The CSM as a whole represents the voting part of the playerbase as a whole. Each CSM rep represents his/her constituents.
Quote:and if it does not, then how are all the players in eve being represented? they are not!!! Of course not. They didn't vote. No vote = no representation. That's their problem.
What part of this is confusing to you? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:43:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:NO NO the CSM is supposed to be the voice of ALL the players not just those who voted. No they're not. They're just an elected representative body like all elected representative bodies GÇö as a whole, they represent the totality of voters, and individually, the represent their respective constituents.
Quote:That is open to all kinds of abuse! So how is it being abused?
Quote:please post the official rule saying this is the case and CSM does not represent the player base as a whole Please post the official rule saying that the CSM is somehow magically different from all other elected representative bodies in the history of mankind and that they must uphold your rather unrealistic idealGǪ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:46:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. They are. The problem is that a lot of players couldn't care less about being part of that GÇ£societyGÇ£. That's their problem, not a problem with the CSM
Quote:This requires active engagement with the player community It also requires active engagement from the community to vote in the people who will represent and carry the issues they feel are important.
AlsoGǪNex apparatu5 wrote:CSM is NOT meant to represent the playerbase as a whole.
CSM is meant to represent the part of the playerbase that cares about the direction of the game, and of the bigger picture.
This is why there are no hisec caebears on the CSM, they only care about their little world. GǪthis. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:52:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:manipulated by alts...not rocket science. and the rules dont change cos of that - go away goon alt. So in other words, you have no proof and no argument, much like you have nothing to indicate that he's abusing his position.
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:58:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:CSM7 is just around the corner. If the people want him removed, he won't get voted back in.
So, I suspect he'll be campaigning again soon. And you can call him to task during the campaign, if you want. LOGIC?! WTF?!
Now you're just being unreasonable and silly! GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Posted - 2011.10.16 22:02:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:The issue is not if he has or has not abused his position. The OP seems to disagreeGǪ
Quote:The issue is that he is in a position that can be abused, without any NDA or rule being broken. How so?
Quote:But in the position he is in, he does not need to break the NDA to use the information he is being exposed to as an unfair advantage. Again: how? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Posted - 2011.10.16 22:03:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:seriously please stop posting your silly comments, dont you get bored of trolling utter rubbish?
oh btw look at his latest scam on C&P, and i dont need to, he freely admits it... So how is he abusing his position?
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Posted - 2011.10.16 22:17:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:keep trying to derail the post Yes, please do.
For instance, by not responding to the very simple questions: How is he abusing his position? Where's your proof? Where are your arguments? Why shouldn't he kill ice miners?
Quote:anyway as stated.. i will make an official petition to CCP and hopefully get an official reponse. Too bad you're not allowed to share it if you doGǪ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Posted - 2011.10.16 22:35:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:The Mittani wrote:The last thing you should do when dealing with a sadist who has power over you is to cry and whine. It's like blood in the water. Unless you are a masochist, then you should do the opposite of this. GǪor if you're an entertainer, in which case you should do it to give the rest of us a good laugh.
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:08:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:The issue isnt wth the scamming or attacking whatever, its about players seeing these people as people they can trust! But they use this position of trust to abuse the game, such as scamming. Where is the abuse? How is it connected to their position of trust?
Quote:Your represent everything that is bad about eve. Everything! Really? What are they representing? How is it bad for EVE?
Quote:Oh that is rubbish, and you still represent Goons full stop, Goons are about scamming GǪand with that knowledge in hand, how does Mittens abuse his position of trust in-game when he scams? He's doing exactly what everyone expects him to do GÇö that's about as trustworthy as it gets.
Quote:Do you think its right that the chair of the CSM, who is supposed to represent the playerbase, and act for the 'greater good' of the playerbase, uses his position to scam people in game? Is he? You have yet to provide even the minutest shred of evidence that he does.
Where's the abuse? How is it connected to his Gǣposition of trustGǥ? GǪin fact, why on earth do you believe that being CSM chair is a position of trust?
Quote:I guess 200 likes says your wrong No it does not. It means a very small minority of people GÇö overall and in this thread GÇö agrees with you. You might also want to note that only 39 people agree with your actual issue declaration, and these people are most likely then repeating that like in other posts you make. So all in all, that's 39 likes out of 2,700 views. That's pretty darn poor a resultGǪ
But sure, if you want to play the GÇ£likesGÇ¥ game, my 524 likes, Malc's 617 likes, not to mention Mitten's 1000+ likes says you're wrongGǪ Most likely because you are unable to explain where the abuse is, how it is connected to this supposed position of trust, and, in general, what the problem is. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:10:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:I would believe that given the support CCP would launch an official investigation What? Based on what 39 people think? LMAO, dream on.
You need to actually present something for them to investigate first, and then build some support around that.
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:10:00 -
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Cedille Mureau wrote:Damn, how many times do I have to post this? I don't know. Where is it from?
Moreover, where does it say that the CSM is somehow magically different from all other elected representative bodies in the history of mankind and that they must uphold JAT's rather unrealistic ideal? They represent society's interests GÇö society, as always, being those who choose to vote.
Emphasizing the context of GÇ£the greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥ doesn't lead anywhere until you show any kind of evidence that they're not doing that GÇö what issues have they not addressed in the context of the greater good for the player base?. Also, as Malc points out, that is the work of the CSM GÇö the issue here is their actions in-game, which have nothing to do with that non-sourced quote.
Quote:The CSM is not a vehicle for massaging the egos of its members nor should it be the means whereby a minority of the game gets an unfair advantage. SoGǪ where's the abuse? What unfair advantage is being gained
Quote:The point being that CCP set up the CSM to represent the whole of the EVE players base and not as has happened to further the aims of a minority who happen to get most of the CSM members elected. What minority aims have been furthered over the majority's? Who is the majority (and the minority, for that matter)? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:14:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Ignore Tippia, as she is a proven liar. The evidence is in this very thread.
She has 525 likes, not 524. It was true when I wrote itGǪ
Dammit, things happen so fast these days. Damn kids! Git off ma' lawn!! GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:25:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:This thread is ****** now. Tippia is here with "where", "what", "how" and "why" for the next 3 fn pages. No. Only until someone actually manages to answer them.
That may be this page, if they actually have any answers (unlikely), or never, if they don't (very likely). It's only the fundamental issue of the thread, so one might intuitively believe that they actually knew what the problem was that they were crying about, but experience has shown that this is very rarely the case. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Posted - 2011.10.17 11:02:00 -
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Mortis vonShadow wrote:No, friend, you are just too afraid to admit that you got suckered. And that's really the sad conclusion. All of this teeth-gnashing, all the throwing the toys out of the pram, and this entire tantrumGǪ
GǪall because he couldn't figure out that the scammer CEO of Scamers Incorporated (with its byline of GÇ£we blow you up and/or take your money and then laugh at you while we go for a second tryGÇ¥) might GÇö gasp! GÇö be an in-game scammer! Shock! Horror!
All of this is just an extension of his attempts to try to justify his not thinking clearly at all by concocting this tenuous connection between a player's out-of-game position and his in-game actions and imposing on it some arbitrary rules that he has dreamed up for the sole purpose of creating a serious breach of trust, should those non-existing rules be broken.
Also, run-on sentences are good for you. Or some such. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Posted - 2011.10.17 11:20:00 -
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Barry Buckmaster wrote:SO, Just Another Toon, How long will you be spamming jita? Is that seriously what your eve has turned into. Do you honestly think that anyone at CCP is going to sack The Mittani from the CSM because you can get people to click like on your post? Considering that he's now up to a massive 40 GÇ£toonsGÇ¥ supporting him, even after his efforts, I think the game is in pretty good shape as it is. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:07:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Yawn Now that you've added some extra oxygen to your brain, maybe you're ready to answer these questions:
Where's the abuse? How is it connected to his GÇ£position of trustGÇ¥?
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:11:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:for the record, i do, every day, twice a day... We know. After all, you're a nameless alt so obviously your main is wasting time and effort as well, and that makes it twice a day for you.
Now, about those questions you're unable to answerGǪ
Quote:oh god, you're back Yes. You still have no answers, I gather. Well, it's nice to know that you agree that there is no actual issue here.
Also, you don't need to refer to me as God. My ego isn't quite that swollen yet. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:19:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Why dont you try read the forums. Already doing that.
Now, about those questions: Where's the abuse? How is it connected to his GÇ£position of trustGÇ¥?
Why are they so hard for you to answer? Is it because there is no abuse? Is it because it (whatever GÇ£itGÇ¥ is) is not connected to his GÇ£position of trustGÇ¥?
Quote:also 730 likes to this post, i think it proves the support this is getting. You mean those 41 that agree with your OP? No, it doesn't show that much. That's about 1% of the readers of the thread.
Quote:750 likes disagree with you. Oh dearGǪ you do know that those includes all the likes for people who do not agree with you, right? So yeah, if you want to count that way: 750 likes disagree with you. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:24:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Hmm Tippia give you some advice, I know its hard for you, and I understand your probably 12 years old. But go to the front page of General Discussion. Got it? Right Now look at the 'Likes' for this post.. got it? Can you read that? Yes. It says this thread has received 742 likes at the time of writing. Those are not likes towards you but towards posts made in this thread, for and against you. So if you want to falsely claim that 750 people agree with you based on the like count for the thread, then guess what? I can equally claim that 750 people disagree with you.
Your OP, on the other hand, has 41 likes. Out of 3,200 views. That's very very low. Your issue is not getting much traction, largely because you haven't actually presented any issueGǪ
Quote:I think you should stop your looking stupid now.. I think you should answer the following questions now:
Where's the abuse? How is it connected to his GÇ£position of trustGÇ¥? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:27:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:They are corrupt... In what way? Where's the abuse? How is it connected to his GÇ£position of trustGÇ¥?
Quote:Actually tippia my personal like on this are at nearly 300...just saying So? Based on your logic, 750 people disagree with your position. If you want to dispute that number, you have to dispute your own claim, so please GÇö go right ahead. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:36:00 -
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Vaffel Junior wrote:Are you mittens alt ? That's a new one. Usually, it's other people who are supposedly my alts.
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:42:00 -
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lilol' me wrote:Who is this guy? I'm Tippia. Hello. o/
Quote:Doesnt he ever shut up? Not until the OP is able to respond to these very simple questions that would provide some kind of reasoning or proof behind the random blather spewed in the OP:
In what way are they corrupt? Where's the abuse? How is it connected to their GÇ£positions of trustGÇ¥?
Quote:I think the OP is right, go read the whole thread. I have. That's how I've managed to be part of it since the beginning. That's also how I know that he hasn't answered those very fundamental questions.
Mr R4nd0m wrote:here here Where where? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:56:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:If a person is in a position of trust, the CSM as a whole represents, or should represent the player base of eve. Therefore amongst alot of the player base the CSM are 'trusted' individuals.` Why would you trust them just because they're on the CSM?
Quote:Thus if you are using your title to scam people in game then that is pretty much corruption. And the question remains: where is the proof that they're doing that?
Quote:If say a person trades with, especially the Chair of the CSM, one would assume he is trustworthy, whether in goons or not. Lol no. Largely because you're not trading with the CSM chair GÇö you're trading with the Goon CEO, a decidedly untrustworthy guy.
Why is it so hard for you to distinguish in-game from real life?
Quote:So are you saying that the CSM ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED? Not in-game, no. Why should they be? The CSM does not exist in the game. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:05:00 -
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White Tree wrote:Seleene wrote: Ummm...is there a list somewhere in this thread of who among the CSM is the least / most trustworthy? Or do we all eat babies? No we're all basically scum. We've actually been compared to the Reich several times completely casually. You stay classy EVE-O. Look, we all know you guys made faustian deals to get on the CSM and that the amount of baby-eating you did is directly proportional to the number of votes you got.
So really, the only question is: which works best, HP sauce or ketchup? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:17:00 -
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WhyTry1 wrote:Wow, just wow, you really believe that stuff your saying? He doesnt have to make a big sign saying that - people know hes the chair.or part of the CSM, that goes for any CSM member.. Yes he does, or he's not abusing his position GÇö you know, the supposed (but unproven) basis of the thread?
Quote:People will AUTOMATICALLY trust him, I think the question has been asked, but no ones give an answer, And why on earth is that a problem with the CSM and not with people making stupid decisions based on completely unrelated characteristics?
Quote:You are basically saying - the csm cannot be trusted No, he's saying that the CSM can be trusted to do CSM stuff. Goons can be trusted to do goon stuff (which makes them untrustworthy).
The problem is that some fools can't tell the two apart. They are unable to make the distinction between the in-game character of The Mittani, CEO of Goons, and the out-of-game person Alex, chair of the CSM. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:20:00 -
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I take issue with that illustration.
You're making it seem like EVE players are people. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:23:00 -
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WhyTry1 wrote:How can you be trusted to do your CSM Job? If you are scamming people. Because the CSM have so far delivered on what the CSM is supposed to do. Also, because there is zero indication that the CSM are scamming people.
Quote:If you scam someone ingame, you are the looked upon as an untrustworthy person. They will see you personally as a person not to be trusted. Correct? No. They will see that character as someone who can't be trusted GÇö they have no clue wither the person behind it or not can be, because they don't know him (or her).
In fact, I'd rather argue the opposite: the less you can trust their in-game characters, the more you can trust their out-of-game representation, because at least then you know that they are familiar enough with the game to pull that kind of scam, and that kind of knowledge is pretty a prerequisite for them to be a trusted with bringing the community's views in front of CCP.
Quote:So how can you expect people to trust you anymore whether its in or out of game. By expecting them to be able to make the distinction between character and person. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:30:00 -
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WhyTry1 wrote:Are you really stupid! If a person is character, they are still that person in real life scamming. No. JustGǪ no.
Scamming in a game where scamming is allowed, and even actively encouraged, does not make the person playing that game as a scammer a scammer in real life. Rather, it makes that person knowledgeable about the game, its mechanics, and its rules, and rather makes him a good candidate to discuss the game with its designers.
Just because I capture the whole board in Monopoly does not mean I own any hotels in real life, or that I will screw you out of your every last penny, or that I prefer to stay in jail for as long as possible to avoid paying money to other peopleGǪ Instead, me doing all those things in monopoly simply means that I know how to play the game. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Just Another Toon wrote:oh dear..You keep digging that grave... Well sure GÇö it needs to be quite deep to fit you inside, seeing as how you can't even answer these simple questions:
How is the CSM corrupt? Where's the abuse? How is it connected to their GÇ£positions of trustGÇ¥?
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Just Another Toon wrote:The questions have been answered Good. Then it will be easy for you to copy-paste the answers (or just the links to the relevant posts) right here.
So: How is the CSM corrupt? Where's the abuse? How is it connected to their GÇ£positions of trustGÇ¥?
Quote:over 400 personal likes and 50+topic likes GǪin other words, a very small minority (especially once you remove that 5-person band following you around).
Vaffel Junior wrote:How do you come up with all those questions ? Oh, I've collected them over the course of the thread as JAT has either been given direct questions that he has not been able to answer, or has made out-of-the-blue assertions without any kind of support or reasoning behind them. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Malcanis wrote:In fact most EVE characters are relative saints compared to the likes of WoW "heroes". These psychotic racists attack without provocation at random or in sickening pre-planned orgies of violence other sentient beings (as well as endangered species) purely because of their race and nationality, often using abilities chosen not because of their simple effectiveness, but as part of bizarre cults which advocate the use of pain, sorcery and demonic worship as a tool. After killing their near-helpless victims and devastating the local ecology until nothing living remains, these vicious, deranged murderers then mutilate the corpses in a sickening harvest of internal organs and body parts. Yeah, but then again, we have some of those psychos in EVE as well. Just look at Motsu and IrjunenGǪ
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Xython wrote:Actually, given the similarities in writing style and avatar, I'd wager Just Another Toon is either Adum (the guy who was scammed out of 11.5B) or in the same alliance. That would explain a lot. If I was stupid enough to get scammed out of 11.5 billion isk I'd be posting some delicious forum tears, too. That, or Alidar GÇö the guy who went nuts over losing his mac to one of Mitten's Brutixes.
Just Another Toon wrote:over 400 likes and over 50 actual topic likes, seems alot of people agree with me...sorry... 50 characters is not Gǣa lotGǥ, and those 400 are from the same five characters liking every post you make, no matter the content. So no, you are pretty much alone in your opinion. Hell, even with that five-man-band as your support, you are a minority in this threadGǪ
So how about you answer those questions, so you might actually be able to gain some support for your cause? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Yoink? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Aidan Brooder wrote:I stick to my believe that Just another Toon is a Mittani or other Goon Alt or has been paid to start this by now mega-long thread. You can all stop now. It is just one big Goon PR stunt. He would have more than 5 supporters if that were the caseGǪ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Just Another Toon wrote:FYI - Official petition has now been sent to CCP GÇ£OfficialGÇ¥? Too bad you're not allowed to post the answer when they laugh their collective asses off.
By the way, in that official petition, did you by any chance provide some answers to the following questions: GÇó How is the CSM corrupt? GÇó Where's the abuse? GÇó How is it connected to their GÇ£positions of trustGÇ¥? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Ammzi wrote:*shamelessly tries to snipe for first post on next page* edit: fails It's 20 posts per page, showing up as 20n-1 replies in the forum list (or 20n as the post number at the bottom of the page). That's when you strike. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Just Another Toon wrote:lol haha yeah it really works like that doesnt it Yes it does, since having likes strewn out all over the place is something quite different from having them all in one place. And no, my coming into the thread multiple times does not increase the view count the way you imagine (unsurprisinglyGǪ very few things work like you imagine).
The fact of the matter is that you don't have that many likes GÇö a 1.5% approval rating, as mentioned GÇö and a minority of the likes in the thread. Moreover, you have a nice little squad of +1:ers following you around and liking every post you make, regardless of what it contains, which removes all value from those 400 likes you like to wave around.
So yes. You really should stop trying to flaunt that like count, because it only draws attention to how poor your support it.
Instead, you should try to gain some actual support by proving that there is an issue to support. You can do this by answering three very simple questions: GÇó How is the CSM corrupt? GÇó Where's the abuse? GÇó How is it connected to their GÇ£positions of trustGÇ¥? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Walter Stine wrote:I would like to see the CSM implement an E-HONOURE System that rewards honoureable actions. Excellent suggestion.
-1 For posting in the wrong section and thread GÇö that should hopefully keep you out of counselling for a while. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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CCP Phantom wrote:Thread moved from General Disucssion. To the soap box? That's just meanGǪ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Just Another Toon wrote:Why? Because 'tis a silly thread where you grouse about the CSM. So this is an appropriate spot for it.
Maybe if you had actually tried to discuss those questions, it would have been suited for General Discussion, but alas, you couldn't, wouldn't, and didn'tGǪ so it wasn't, and here we are. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Just Another Toon wrote:oh god you again Yes, my son, it's me, God. Would you like to make a confession? Interesting sentence fragment. Have you considered adding a predicate and maybe an object? If you're going to use the gerund as a subject (together with that very fancy use of the possessive pronoun where most people would have used a personal one instead), you really need to add the other phrases to create a complete clause.
Me boring myself isGǪ what? (Assuming, of course, that I am boring myself, which isn't true, but stillGǪ)
Quote:I will no longer reply to any of your threads Ok. They're all on the old forum, so you can't reply to them anyway.
While we're here, though, maybe you can answer a few questions in relation to your OP: GÇó How is the CSM corrupt? GÇó Where's the abuse? GÇó How is it connected to their GÇ£positions of trustGÇ¥? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Just Another Toon wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:they DDOS other sites Do you have proof to back this up, or is it just a baseless accusation? Please dont go there with that....its a FACT So do you have proof to back this up, or is it just a baseless accusation? How is he wrong? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Just Another Toon wrote:Two words Tippa for you - starts with Y and second starts with R Yes, I know I'm right. Your complete inability to provide any kind of support for your assertions proves this. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Lord Zim wrote:Tippia wrote:Quote:Could I trust them out of game and be trusted to represent on the CSM, if they screw over people in game? Yes. I'd probably degrade that to a "probably", just to be on the safe side. Nah. At most I'd hedge it with, GÇ£yes, as much as he can trust anyone without anything to go byGÇ¥.
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Just Another Toon wrote:I have never seen anyone so negative on these forums as you You've never seen yourself on the forums? I suppose that would explain your inability to string together something that might be even remotely construed as a coherent argument.
Your continual inability to provide any proof, to answer any kind of question, to post anything but personal insults, and to add anything but unfounded accusations only further proves that I'm right. The fact remains: a minute and completely insignificant amount of people agree with your delusions, and most people have no problems separating the CSM from in-game behaviour. The entire premise for your complaint remains 100% unproven. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Just Another Toon wrote:Get over it...wasnt jsut mine plenty ppl supported it No. A tiiiiiiiny amount of people supported it. Your opinion doesn't matter, and this thread (and your posts) prove it.
Quote:yeah keep saying that I will, until there's a reason to say otherwise, for instance if you were to start actually arguing your case and provide some kind of reasoning for what has gotten you so up in arms and why it needs to be changed.
Quote:never seen someone so desperate to derail a post Well maybe you should stop doing it then, and just accept that since there was no support for your cause, you should let the matter drop instead of trying to divert everyone's attention away from the fact that no-one agrees with you.
Big Bad Mofo wrote:I have to agree.. Tippia you are a pain in the ass fella.. Fortunately, it's a pain that's easily remedied: all he needs to do is provide proof, reasoning and arguments, and stop trying to deflect the questions he's being asked. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Just Another Toon wrote:Zzzzz - damn you made me fall asleep.. You should. Then you can dream up some more nonsense to post, just like in your OP. I'm sure the same pitiful misguided guys would support whatever new delusions you come up with.
Don't worry GÇö we all know you have no ability to back your assertions up, so we can probably skip that whole dance the whole time, and you won't have to was as much time and effort trying to evade and obfuscate this obvious fact.
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Just Another Toon wrote:lol this is funny. the 80 real likes and the 700 personal likes FROM OTHER PEOPLE GǪwhich doesn't mean anything. How can you not have understood this yet? That could be as few as 26 accounts. And no, it does not even have to be from other people. You are a very very very small minority, and you have the numbers to prove it.
The fact of the matter remains: you had no case, you had no arguments, you had no proof, you had no reasoning and your little quest got halted for that exact reason. Just because a very tiny amount of people didn't think you needed any of those (for whatever reason) does not mean that your complete lack of convincing argumentation is suddenly worth anything.
Those are the things you need GÇö not likes GÇö to get a message across. Had you had any of that, you could probably have gained even more likes, but they would still not mean anything: your argument would. Without such an argument, you lost before you even started.
Quote:The post achieved EXACTLY what it set out to do. You could have just posted in the Gǣgive an receive likesGǥ if that was your goal, you know. Instead, you chose to rack up how many marks against your account for continuously breaking the forum rulesGǪ?
Quote:I guess i got a few hundred other loon brothers with me then. Yes, zero hundred is indeed very few. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Just Another Toon wrote:I dont understand anything We know. That's why your little petition didn't go anywhere.
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