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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:09:00 -
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its seems goons are stirring up lots of problems with eve. Firstly he ordered the killing of gallente ice miners and now in C&P more scamming going on, plus the added goon scamming as a whole.
Its total abuse of his CSM position, where people will trust him. Its not on nor acceptable. CSM members are seen as people that hold some trust and this should not be allowed by any CSM member when they are in post. Mittani is abusing his power and is not fit to hold this post...
Even Vile Rat should be removed too...
no wonder eve is dying cos ccp allows stuff like this to happen from the CSM Chair..
Im sure many goons/alts will troll the thread, but if you agree +1, i think its about time we stood up to this cr@p |
Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Iure Divino
54
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:14:00 -
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*imitates reporter*
Sir, does this mean that you do intend to run for office in the upcoming election?
*/imitation*
Sounds good, but removing people from the CSM without an election is just bad. Get a candidate to replace him, and organize a campaign to elect that candidate. |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:15:00 -
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Scamming and Ganking are allowed. If you trust someone because of a Title you should stop doing that immediately.
Being an A$$hole is not grounds for removal from office, just ask any elected official anywhere at anytime. If you do not like him then ether find a real crime that is against the rules and provide evidence or wait till his term expires and vote him out next term.
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
130
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:17:00 -
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
:deep breath:
just a second, i've got the mittani on the phone. here, let me pass it to you.
:over speakers:
"hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!"
I'd rather have someone who knows what hes doing but disagrees with my opinions at the helm than some absolute moron with similar goals. anyone your average highsec pubbie would vote for would, in all likelihood, only understand a fraction of the game and have a tenacious at best grasp of it. |
Botleten
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
78
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:17:00 -
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How dare he use a sandbox MMO as if it were a sandbox!!!! CURSE YOU EVIL GOONIES!!
Seriously dude, did you huff paint before you wrote this? Do you even realize what game you're playing? |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:17:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Scamming and Ganking are allowed. If you trust someone because of a Title you should stop doing that immediately.
Being an A$$hole is not grounds for removal from office, just ask any elected official anywhere at anytime. If you do not like him then ether find a real crime that is against the rules and provide evidence or wait till his term expires and vote him out next term.
YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT
It is a problem when you hold a position of trust...they want to scam fine BUT THEY STEP DOWN FROM CSM - SIMPLE AS |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:17:00 -
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Mehrdad Kor-Azor wrote: Sir, does this mean that you do intend to run for office in the upcoming election?
Watch this.
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:17:00 -
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Botleten wrote:How dare he use a sandbox MMO as if it were a sandbox!!!! CURSE YOU EVIL GOONIES!!
Seriously dude, did you huff paint before you wrote this? Do you even realize what game you're playing?
1st in a goon troll post - awaiting many more to come...
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Botleten
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
78
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:19:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Botleten wrote:How dare he use a sandbox MMO as if it were a sandbox!!!! CURSE YOU EVIL GOONIES!!
Seriously dude, did you huff paint before you wrote this? Do you even realize what game you're playing? 1st in a goon troll post - awaiting many more to come...
Congrats, you pointed out my corp affiliation without answering anything associated with my post. Good job showing utter intellectual weakness. |
Nariya Kentaya
Celestial Ascension
6
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:21:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Scamming and Ganking are allowed. If you trust someone because of a Title you should stop doing that immediately.
Being an A$$hole is not grounds for removal from office, just ask any elected official anywhere at anytime. If you do not like him then ether find a real crime that is against the rules and provide evidence or wait till his term expires and vote him out next term.
YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT It is a problem when you hold a position of trust...they want to scam fine BUT THEY STEP DOWN FROM CSM - SIMPLE AS
your FIRST mistake is you believed a politician was trustworthy and ISNT in the position of power just to serve his own shitz'n'gigglez.
keep posting, no one cares.
(and seriously, i hate goons as much as the next guy, but trying to punish them for using legit mechanics? butthurt much?) |
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Velicitia
Open Designs
0
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:22:00 -
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linkage to Assembly Hall 1/10 troll poast |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:22:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote: YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT
It is a problem when you hold a position of trust...they want to scam fine BUT THEY STEP DOWN FROM CSM - SIMPLE AS
Bolded the part that is wrong, I don't trust any of them in game and neither should anyone else. Outside of the game I trust them to do what they think is best for EVE Online. That is why there constituents voted for them.
Inside of the game they are just members of the sandbox free to play as they chose within the EULA.
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
130
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:23:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Scamming and Ganking are allowed. If you trust someone because of a Title you should stop doing that immediately.
Being an A$$hole is not grounds for removal from office, just ask any elected official anywhere at anytime. If you do not like him then ether find a real crime that is against the rules and provide evidence or wait till his term expires and vote him out next term.
YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT It is a problem when you hold a position of trust...they want to scam fine BUT THEY STEP DOWN FROM CSM - SIMPLE AS
Here's the thing. scamming is 100% A-OK in the world of EVE. In fact, it is just as legitimate a source of income as missioning or market gaming, only its about 10x as fun if you know what you're doing. It isn't my style, but your complaining about it is hilariously naive. |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
209
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:23:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:pubbie
Quote:Test Alliance Please Ignore
Akirei Scytale wrote:pubbie
Quote:Test Alliance Please Ignore
Akirei Scytale wrote:pubbie
Hmmm.... [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img] |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
130
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:26:00 -
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like you have room to talk, headerman member of the biggest renter alliance in EVE! |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:28:00 -
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I remember when you were a member of Test.
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
131
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:28:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:I remember when you were a member of Test.
I do too. I also remember how he managed to get kicked from TEST. How does that even happen? |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:30:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Scamming and Ganking are allowed. If you trust someone because of a Title you should stop doing that immediately.
Being an A$$hole is not grounds for removal from office, just ask any elected official anywhere at anytime. If you do not like him then ether find a real crime that is against the rules and provide evidence or wait till his term expires and vote him out next term.
YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT It is a problem when you hold a position of trust...they want to scam fine BUT THEY STEP DOWN FROM CSM - SIMPLE AS Here's the thing. scamming is 100% A-OK in the world of EVE. In fact, it is just as legitimate a source of income as missioning or market gaming, only its about 10x as fun if you know what you're doing. It isn't my style, but your complaining about it is hilariously naive.
oh god - look everyone please ignore all post from TEST and GOONS... |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:31:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote: oh god - look everyone please ignore all post from TEST and GOONS...
Democracy in Action.
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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
30
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:31:00 -
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Well, you really are a waste of space, aren't you?
I'm not a Goon or a Goon alt, but I have to ask, have you ever read anything about The Mittani and what he does on the CSM for the overall gaming experience of EVE Online? I'll bet the answer is no, you have not. Because if you had, you would come to the realization that you don't know what you are saying.
First and foremost The Mittani is an "ingame" toon. His place on the CSM has nothing to do with it. How many GM's and Dev's that work for CCP are pirates and scammers/griefers? If you bother to look it up, you will see that quite a few of them are. Should they be fired for playing the game the way they like to play? Or should they just play the game all squeaky clean like?
Secondly, The Mittani's role on the CSM is one of the reasons we are having a huge revamp of the sov mechanics in nullsec, and with a play balance of the super capitals. He is also the voice of us hisec miners that have been screaming for years about the friggin' bots that are truelly ruining the game for us. He also leads the war on RMT's.
If you would bother to look up who the real Mittani is, you would find that he is a professional that works in a nations capital. He is not going to jeapordize his real life with some crap from a computer game.
Its not the Mittani that has an issue with blurring the lines between reality and EVE Online. No, it is you. You think that because there are people that play this game with dark intentions that somehow in real life they are bad people.
I feel sorry for people like you. You guys get on the forums and scream for CCP to help or to ban or change the game mechanics, but you all fail to realize, sometimes in games you will loose, as in life. Thats how a sandbox game is meant to be played.
Oh, if I've offended you in some small way. I don't care. If you want to take it out on me in game, I live in Parses. I will honor your 1v1 and bring any boat you like, I fly them all, except the capitals.
I would give you a hug, seeing as how you need one, but you smell funny. Get out of your mothers basement and take a shower.
Have a nice day. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:32:00 -
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Mortis vonShadow wrote:Well, you really are a waste of space, aren't you?
I'm not a Goon or a Goon alt, but I have to ask, have you ever read anything about The Mittani and what he does on the CSM for the overall gaming experience of EVE Online? I'll bet the answer is no, you have not. Because if you had, you would come to the realization that you don't know what you are saying.
First and foremost The Mittani is an "ingame" toon. His place on the CSM has nothing to do with it. How many GM's and Dev's that work for CCP are pirates and scammers/griefers? If you bother to look it up, you will see that quite a few of them are. Should they be fired for playing the game the way they like to play? Or should they just play the game all squeaky clean like?
Secondly, The Mittani's role on the CSM is one of the reasons we are having a huge revamp of the sov mechanics in nullsec, and with a play balance of the super capitals. He is also the voice of us hisec miners that have been screaming for years about the friggin' bots that are truelly ruining the game for us. He also leads the war on RMT's.
If you would bother to look up who the real Mittani is, you would find that he is a professional that works in a nations capital. He is not going to jeapordize his real life with some crap from a computer game.
Its not the Mittani that has an issue with blurring the lines between reality and EVE Online. No, it is you. You think that because there are people that play this game with dark intentions that somehow in real life they are bad people.
I feel sorry for people like you. You guys get on the forums and scream for CCP to help or to ban or change the game mechanics, but you all fail to realize, sometimes in games you will loose, as in life. Thats how a sandbox game is meant to be played.
Oh, if I've offended you in some small way. I don't care. If you want to take it out on me in game, I live in Parses. I will honor your 1v1 and bring any boat you like, I fly them all, except the capitals.
I would give you a hug, seeing as how you need one, but you smell funny. Get out of your mothers basement and take a shower.
Have a nice day.
sticks and stone - boring - I dont care what he does in real life...hes not fit for the role - simple
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
131
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:35:00 -
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Mortis vonShadow wrote:If you would bother to look up who the real Mittani is, you would find that he is a professional that works in a nations capital. He is not going to jeapordize his real life with some crap from a computer game.
Mortis vonShadow wrote:he is a professional that works in a nations capital.
Mortis vonShadow wrote:works in a nations capital.
Mortis vonShadow wrote:works
wat. don't get me wrong, i agree with your post. but wat. |
Cyaxares II
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:36:00 -
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Headerman wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:pubbie Quote:Test Alliance Please Ignore Hmmm....
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
513
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:38:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Its total abuse of his CSM position GǪhow is his telling the goons to kill people an abuse of his CSM position?
As for the scams, why would he be trusted in-game just because of an out-of-game position?
Why would I trust the Goon (aka prolific scammer and generally untrustworthy guy, not to mention self-proclaimed spy-master) Mittens just because the Alexander is CSM chair? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Drake Draconis
Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation
23
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:38:00 -
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The OP is so angry...and at the same time embarrassed....he had to erase his topic from assembly hall. I see he's not doing so well here either.
That and he's hiding under an alt. |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
30
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:40:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:no wonder eve is dying cos ccp allows stuff like this to happen from the CSM Chair..
Its not players like The Mittani that is ruining EVE, its players like you.
And you know nothing of leadership. If you did, you wouldn't be blurring his role in game and his role out of game.
-1 to you for being less than perfect. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
102
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:40:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:oh god - look everyone please ignore all post from TEST and GOONS...
Why? Just because they have "Goonswarm" or "TEST" under their portraits doesn't mean their opinions are less valid than yours... except that theirs are backed up by the current rules while yours is rooted on personal ethics/principles. Which do you matters at the end of the day? "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:41:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Its total abuse of his CSM position GǪhow is his telling the goons to kill people an abuse of his CSM position? As for the scams, why would he be trusted in-game just because of an out-of-game position? Why would I trust the Goon (aka prolific scammer and generally untrustworthy guy, not to mention self-proclaimed spy-master) Mittens just because the Alexander is CSM chair?
Out of game position being a member of CSM is an ingame position
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:41:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:oh god - look everyone please ignore all post from TEST and GOONS... Why? Just because they have "Goonswarm" or "TEST" under their portraits doesn't mean their opinions are less valid than yours... except that theirs are backed up by the current rules while yours is rooted on personal ethics/principles. Which do you matters at the end of the day?
biased perhaps?
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Nyio
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
148
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:42:00 -
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+1 Guess I'd sign that. Features & Ideas Discussion: Agent Finder, Black Holes Needs a banner here.. |
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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
30
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:43:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Its total abuse of his CSM position GǪhow is his telling the goons to kill people an abuse of his CSM position? As for the scams, why would he be trusted in-game just because of an out-of-game position? Why would I trust the Goon (aka prolific scammer and generally untrustworthy guy, not to mention self-proclaimed spy-master) Mittens just because the Alexander is CSM chair? Out of game position being a member of CSM is an ingame position
How? Expand the thought please. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
131
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:43:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Its total abuse of his CSM position GǪhow is his telling the goons to kill people an abuse of his CSM position? As for the scams, why would he be trusted in-game just because of an out-of-game position? Why would I trust the Goon (aka prolific scammer and generally untrustworthy guy, not to mention self-proclaimed spy-master) Mittens just because the Alexander is CSM chair? Out of game position being a member of CSM is an ingame position
Except all the meetings etc are done out of game, person to person. not avatar to avatar. if you're getting that line blurred, its time to take a break from the internet. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
513
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:43:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Out of game position being a member of CSM is an ingame position Ah. I think we've found the source of your confusion and why you accidentally trusted the wrong guy for the wrong reasons.
No.
RL Gëá game. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Varesk
Maelstrom Crew
28
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:44:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:its seems goons are stirring up lots of problems with eve. Firstly he ordered the killing of gallente ice miners and now in C&P more scamming going on, plus the added goon scamming as a whole.
Its total abuse of his CSM position, where people will trust him. Its not on nor acceptable. CSM members are seen as people that hold some trust and this should not be allowed by any CSM member when they are in post. Mittani is abusing his power and is not fit to hold this post...
Even Vile Rat should be removed too...
no wonder eve is dying cos ccp allows stuff like this to happen from the CSM Chair..
Im sure many goons/alts will troll the thread so flame away - sticks and stones, but if you agree +1, i think its about time we stood up to this cr@p
I will also be filing an official petition and also be contacting as many MMO editorials as possible, to give this maximum exposure, on how much this is not right.
keep liking guys - even if you dont want to post ...
2/10
it would have been higher on the troll-o-meter but you have posted a lot in this thread.
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Jon Swayne
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:45:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:its seems goons are stirring up lots of problems with eve. Firstly he ordered the killing of gallente ice miners and now in C&P more scamming going on, plus the added goon scamming as a whole.
Its total abuse of his CSM position, where people will trust him. Its not on nor acceptable. CSM members are seen as people that hold some trust and this should not be allowed by any CSM member when they are in post. Mittani is abusing his power and is not fit to hold this post...
Even Vile Rat should be removed too...
no wonder eve is dying cos ccp allows stuff like this to happen from the CSM Chair..
Im sure many goons/alts will troll the thread so flame away - sticks and stones, but if you agree +1, i think its about time we stood up to this cr@p
I will also be filing an official petition and also be contacting as many MMO editorials as possible, to give this maximum exposure, on how much this is not right.
-1
CSM simply represents the playerbase regarding CCP issues and gameplay decisions. Player-generated content that occurs within the rules and overall accepted style of EVE is not a conflict of interest with holding a CSM position. In fact, such behavior could be likened to "I'm a 2-year vet, you should trust me". Again, EVE is a game that is infamous for harboring, if not endorsing, scamming in general, if the only unfair advantage is the victim's own overdeveloped sense of trust and/or being "a moron in a hurry".
You are more than welcome to rant and rave about the price-fixing campaign, but it's no more despicable than the voting blocs that empower the CSM delegates we have now.
All that said, the Goons do write some interesting television... |
Written Word
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
38
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:57:00 -
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Just Another Toon should be removed from the forum.
This is why
1. Bad posting 2. Using the word toon. |
Deopheel Dalonne
Dalonne Smelting and Fabrication
15
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:RL Gëá game. If only things were so simple ...
Behind each toon, there is a real person. And playing EvE is part of the "real life" of that person. How on earth can one imagine that who that person is in "real life" is not going to influence how he behaves in-game ? By the way, I thought that immersion and role playing were not that central to EvE game-play ...
The question regarding Goons (and many others) is this: Are they having fun playing EvE because:
1. They like piloting ships in space and fighting others and building POSes etc ... (in other words, they have "in-game" reasons for having fun) ?
or
2. They like spoiling the game for other people and making CCP look stupid and maybe bring the whole show to a stop just to show that they can ?
If the real reason why they are having fun playing EvE is option 2. above, it means that their "real life" motivations for playing EvE are stronger than whatever "in game" mask they put on may pretend. And these motivations are neither pretty nor to the advantage of other players. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
135
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:04:00 -
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Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Tippia wrote:RL Gëá game. 1. They like piloting ships in space and fighting others and building POSes etc ... (in other words, they have "in-game" reasons for having fun) ? or 2. They like spoiling the game for other people and making CCP look stupid and maybe bring the whole show to a stop just to show that they can ?
all of the above (except anything to do with a POS, ever). |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
165
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:08:00 -
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The problem i have with Mittani as the head of the CSM is that he is a high-profile alliance leader, and i doubt that he would agree with changes for the sake of balance, if said changes were to somehow interfere with his own alliance, or disagree with changes that would affect his enemies more than it would his own ally. He cannot have an impartial opinion on most subjects he deals with as a CSM member.
But unfortunatly that is in the nature of the CSM election. Besides being chairman doesnt mean he gets the final word, only that he gets to pass it on. This CSM has some very good members, like seleene and white tree, and i trust their judgement. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
967
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:10:00 -
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This thread pleases me.
I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.
That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
967
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:11:00 -
[41] - Quote
Renan Ruivo wrote:The problem i have with Mittani as the head of the CSM is that he is a high-profile alliance leader, and i doubt that he would agree with changes for the sake of balance, if said changes were to somehow interfere with his own alliance, or disagree with changes that would affect his enemies more than it would his own ally. He cannot have an impartial opinion on most subjects he deals with as a CSM member.
But unfortunatly that is in the nature of the CSM election. Besides being chairman doesnt mean he gets the final word, only that he gets to pass it on. This CSM has some very good members, like seleene and white tree, and i trust their judgement.
This is foolish and uninformed. Goonswarm has one of the largest supercap fleets in the game, as well as some of the largest technetium holdings. I've vehemently advocated for nerfing both, loudly and in public.
You're welcome to spew your tinfoil theories though. |
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:11:00 -
[42] - Quote
What are CSM supposed to do? Sit in a throne room in a station all day waving politely to the public? |
Deopheel Dalonne
Dalonne Smelting and Fabrication
15
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:12:00 -
[43] - Quote
Akirei Scytale wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Tippia wrote:RL Gëá game. 1. They like piloting ships in space and fighting others and building POSes etc ... (in other words, they have "in-game" reasons for having fun) ? or 2. They like spoiling the game for other people and making CCP look stupid and maybe bring the whole show to a stop just to show that they can ? all of the above (except anything to do with a POS, ever). Aren't the two contradictory ? (if you bring the game down, you can no longer have fun of the 1. variety ...)
And isn't it a little bit of a conflict of interest, if your goal is option 2. above, to be on the CSM at the same time ? |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:14:00 -
[44] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:This thread pleases me.
I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.
That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.
No they voted for you because you are the alliance leader and you prob offered them free ships or some bribe, the rest of eve did not vote for you. You represent all that is bad about eve. I dont care if you was the president of the USA. You very essence is about pouring misery on eve players and this is bad for eve. You should not be scamming, and abusing your position. I bet you tell people you are scamming oh dont worry im the CSM Chair...
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Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
198
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:15:00 -
[45] - Quote
I concur with OP. What Mittani has done, as chairman no less, clearly shows he doesnt take his position seriously and should be voted out. +1
If Women aren't supposed to do the cooking, why are their bodies full of milk and eggs? |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
35
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:16:00 -
[46] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:The problem i have with Mittani as the head of the CSM is that he is a high-profile alliance leader, and i doubt that he would agree with changes for the sake of balance, if said changes were to somehow interfere with his own alliance, or disagree with changes that would affect his enemies more than it would his own ally. He cannot have an impartial opinion on most subjects he deals with as a CSM member.
But unfortunatly that is in the nature of the CSM election. Besides being chairman doesnt mean he gets the final word, only that he gets to pass it on. This CSM has some very good members, like seleene and white tree, and i trust their judgement. This is foolish and uninformed. Goonswarm has one of the largest supercap fleets in the game, as well as some of the largest technetium holdings. I've vehemently advocated for nerfing both, loudly and in public. You're welcome to spew your tinfoil theories though.
But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
137
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:17:00 -
[47] - Quote
Darius III wrote: I concur with OP. What Mittani has done, as chairman no less, clearly shows he doesnt take his position seriously and should be voted out. +1
lol. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
137
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:17:00 -
[48] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:
But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.
the ice miners were attacking the ice for their own gain. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
972
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:18:00 -
[49] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote: But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.
I ran for CSM on a platform of explicitly being a manipulative bastard, because it takes someone like me to actually bring CCP around to reason.
So far, so good! |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
610
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:20:00 -
[50] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:This thread pleases me.
I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.
That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.
Ah, so you'll have plenty of cheese to enjoy with all these fine whines.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Nariya Kentaya
Celestial Ascension
7
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:20:00 -
[51] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:This thread pleases me.
I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.
That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.
No they voted for you because you are the alliance leader and you prob offered them free ships or some bribe, the rest of eve did not vote for you. You represent all that is bad about eve. I dont care if you was the president of the USA. You very essence is about pouring misery on eve players and this is bad for eve. You should not be scamming, and abusing your position. I bet you tell people you are scamming oh dont worry im the CSM Chair...
honestly, if Mittani WAS the rpesident of the US of A, we prolly wouldnt be all that worse off, hell, we might even be ebtter off, since most of the last 10 or so presidents didnt quite do so well.
and really, i RARELy see goons anywhere except a few roams in providence and the occasional fleet on their way to engage an Atlas./Ev0ke defense fleet, so tell me, how is THAT pouring misery on everyone? and out-of-game i have seen him advocatinga lot fo things that a majority of the more "opinionated" Eve population wants to see change, nerfing alot of blob-incentives is one of those things.
honestly, if you can't provide at elast 3 instances where the Mittani has gone OUT OF HIS WAY to make EVERYONE's lives miserable, dont post.
TL;DR evidence or GTFO |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
610
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:20:00 -
[52] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:The problem i have with Mittani as the head of the CSM is that he is a high-profile alliance leader, and i doubt that he would agree with changes for the sake of balance, if said changes were to somehow interfere with his own alliance, or disagree with changes that would affect his enemies more than it would his own ally. He cannot have an impartial opinion on most subjects he deals with as a CSM member.
But unfortunatly that is in the nature of the CSM election. Besides being chairman doesnt mean he gets the final word, only that he gets to pass it on. This CSM has some very good members, like seleene and white tree, and i trust their judgement. This is foolish and uninformed. Goonswarm has one of the largest supercap fleets in the game, as well as some of the largest technetium holdings. I've vehemently advocated for nerfing both, loudly and in public. You're welcome to spew your tinfoil theories though. But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.
Why shouldn't he attack ice miners? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Drake Draconis
Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation
23
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:21:00 -
[53] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:The problem i have with Mittani as the head of the CSM is that he is a high-profile alliance leader, and i doubt that he would agree with changes for the sake of balance, if said changes were to somehow interfere with his own alliance, or disagree with changes that would affect his enemies more than it would his own ally. He cannot have an impartial opinion on most subjects he deals with as a CSM member.
But unfortunatly that is in the nature of the CSM election. Besides being chairman doesnt mean he gets the final word, only that he gets to pass it on. This CSM has some very good members, like seleene and white tree, and i trust their judgement. This is foolish and uninformed. Goonswarm has one of the largest supercap fleets in the game, as well as some of the largest technetium holdings. I've vehemently advocated for nerfing both, loudly and in public. You're welcome to spew your tinfoil theories though. But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.
What they do? Run over your mothers sisters aunties dog with priceless jewels? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
513
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:21:00 -
[54] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:No they voted for you because you are the alliance leader and you prob offered them free ships or some bribe, the rest of eve did not vote for you. Who are GÇ£theyGÇ¥? Goons?
GǪand you're quite wrong about the rest of EVE as well.
Quote:You represent all that is bad about eve. No. Like the man said, he represents war and murder, not safety and weakness. So you got that one quite the wrong way around.
Quote:You very essence is about pouring misery on eve players and this is bad for eve. EVE being a game about misery, pouring it on its players is rather good for the game, you knowGǪ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
35
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:21:00 -
[55] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Just Another Toon wrote: But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.
I ran for CSM on a platform of explicitly being a manipulative bastard, because it takes someone like me to actually bring CCP around to reason. So far, so good!
Mittani, thats all well and good, but you should not be abusing your position to scam people and all the other stuff you stand for. Simple.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
165
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:21:00 -
[56] - Quote
Darius III wrote: I concur with OP. What Mittani has done, as chairman no less, clearly shows he doesnt take his position seriously and should be voted out. +1
breaching NDA is A-OK though |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
35
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:22:00 -
[57] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:The problem i have with Mittani as the head of the CSM is that he is a high-profile alliance leader, and i doubt that he would agree with changes for the sake of balance, if said changes were to somehow interfere with his own alliance, or disagree with changes that would affect his enemies more than it would his own ally. He cannot have an impartial opinion on most subjects he deals with as a CSM member.
But unfortunatly that is in the nature of the CSM election. Besides being chairman doesnt mean he gets the final word, only that he gets to pass it on. This CSM has some very good members, like seleene and white tree, and i trust their judgement. This is foolish and uninformed. Goonswarm has one of the largest supercap fleets in the game, as well as some of the largest technetium holdings. I've vehemently advocated for nerfing both, loudly and in public. You're welcome to spew your tinfoil theories though. But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you. Why shouldn't he attack ice miners?
Oh god i wondered when you was going to show up, to the usual trolls have posted you, drake, and well others...
+1 for not letting me down..
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Deopheel Dalonne
Dalonne Smelting and Fabrication
15
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:23:00 -
[58] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Just Another Toon wrote: But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.
I ran for CSM on a platform of explicitly being a manipulative bastard, because it takes someone like me to actually bring CCP around to reason. So far, so good! Yeah, the old dream of "killing God" ....
Old boy Nietzsche knew that it was the ultimate thrill. And then some guys in brown (then black) shirts in Germany followed his advice. Lots of good it did them ...
Oh but "GoonWaffe" is an explicit reference to this little jamboree! I beg your pardon. I am preaching to the choir ... |
Caulk H0lster
Kazakh Ministry of Wealth Redistribution
1
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:24:00 -
[59] - Quote
MAYBE MORE PEOPLE SHOULD VOTE IN THE CSM ELECTIONS AND NOT VOTE FOR GOONS, WHO ARE KNOWN SCAMMERS AND GRIEFERS.
If you wanna blame someone, blame the people who elected him, not The Mittani, he's just doing what he's always done.
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Nariya Kentaya
Celestial Ascension
7
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:25:00 -
[60] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:Just Another Toon wrote: But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.
I ran for CSM on a platform of explicitly being a manipulative bastard, because it takes someone like me to actually bring CCP around to reason. So far, so good! Mittani, thats all well and good, but you should not be abusing your position to scam people and all the other stuff you stand for. Simple.
AND AGAIN, we say, why would you trust ANYONE just because they are in a position of political "power"?
just cause Obama is the president doesn't mean ill lend him my credit card, social security number, and car keys.
he scammed people before he was CSM, scammed people as CSM, and gosh-darnit he will scam people after hes been CSM, anyone foolish enough to expect specific virtues or behaviours from someone simply on the basis of a title deserves to lose what they got. |
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White Tree
Broski Federation Elite Space Guild
351
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:25:00 -
[61] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Malcanis wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:The problem i have with Mittani as the head of the CSM is that he is a high-profile alliance leader, and i doubt that he would agree with changes for the sake of balance, if said changes were to somehow interfere with his own alliance, or disagree with changes that would affect his enemies more than it would his own ally. He cannot have an impartial opinion on most subjects he deals with as a CSM member.
But unfortunatly that is in the nature of the CSM election. Besides being chairman doesnt mean he gets the final word, only that he gets to pass it on. This CSM has some very good members, like seleene and white tree, and i trust their judgement. This is foolish and uninformed. Goonswarm has one of the largest supercap fleets in the game, as well as some of the largest technetium holdings. I've vehemently advocated for nerfing both, loudly and in public. You're welcome to spew your tinfoil theories though. But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you. Why shouldn't he attack ice miners? Oh god i wondered when you was going to show up, to the usual trolls have posted you, drake, and well others... +1 for not letting me down..
A viewpoint that opposes yours is not a troll.
EDIT: PAGE 4 QUICKSCOPE SNIPER. |
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
29
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:26:00 -
[62] - Quote
The Mittani is clearly on a mission to convince CCP that there is a need for tech 3 mining barges with stronger armor and shields. Miners should be thanking him. |
Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
98
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:26:00 -
[63] - Quote
I have yet to hear a valid reason as to why the CSM 'shouldn't participate in ganking/scamming apart from the inherent 'waaaaaahhhhhh' in all of your posts.
They are an advisory council to CCP, not an in-game leadership/PR council. |
Psychophantic
77
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:27:00 -
[64] - Quote
Newsflash.
Mittani represents his constituents who happen to be goons.
Goons are a community independent of whatever game they happen to be playing, DAOC, SWG, WoW, STO, Second Life, EvE, they've been there and done the same ****.
http://www.wired.com/gaming/virtualworlds/magazine/16-02/mf_goons?currentPage=all
They do it for the lulz.
Sounds like another group which made headlines earlier this year.
And no I don't have another 10 bux.
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
36
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:27:00 -
[65] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:This thread pleases me.
I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.
That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.
Ah so you admit that you are representing 'Your constituency' as in goons and not the eve player base. What you put forward, is everything your constituents want. They represent all the is bad for eve, scamming, manipulation everything else.
Tell me, how can you be the chair of the CSM (which is supposed to represent all players) when all you do is represent yourself and the needs of your alliance.
Do what you like in game, but you should not be abusing your position, and should be removed.
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betoli
Between the lines
4
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:28:00 -
[66] - Quote
The Mittani wrote: I was once an attorney in DC
I was going to laugh at the OP. But now I read this. You sir, should stand down immediately!
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White Tree
Broski Federation Elite Space Guild
351
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:28:00 -
[67] - Quote
Psychophantic wrote:
And no I don't have another 10 bux.
Looks like there's a pretty good reason why your first 10 went to waste. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
973
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:29:00 -
[68] - Quote
If any of you trust a politician, I don't know what to tell you. Try not to drown in a puddle of rain?
The luxury of my popularity is that I don't have to bother lying to my voters about who and what I am. You get exactly what you voted for: a manipulative sadist who makes no apologies for who or what he is. And that's the kind of leadership the CSM requires if it's to accomplish anything when dealing with CCP; already CSM6 has demonstrated that with its lengthy record of successes. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
36
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:29:00 -
[69] - Quote
Zirse wrote:I have yet to hear a valid reason as to why the CSM 'shouldn't participate in ganking/scamming apart from the inherent 'waaaaaahhhhhh' in all of your posts.
They are an advisory council to CCP, not an in-game leadership/PR council.
So you think abusing your position to scam people is ok then? When people see people like CSM tag or Chair of CSM sig they expect trust, infact they are getting scammed.
Its disgusting and totally wrong for the game.. and is not acceptable.
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
142
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:29:00 -
[70] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:This thread pleases me.
I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.
That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.
Ah so you admit that you are representing 'Your constituency' as in goons and not the eve player base. What you put forward, is everything your constituents want. They represent all the is bad for eve, scamming, manipulation everything else. Tell me, how can you be the chair of the CSM (which is supposed to represent all players) when all you do is represent yourself and the needs of your alliance. Do what you like in game, but you should not be abusing your position, and should be removed.
If you actually PAID ATTENTION to the **** that is getting proposed by the Mittani, it benefits *everyone*. Its almost entirely "hey, this **** is beyond broken, fix it", and not "we want: A, B, C." |
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
36
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:31:00 -
[71] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:If any of you trust a politician, I don't know what to tell you. Try not to drown in a puddle of rain?
The luxury of my popularity is that I don't have to bother lying to my voters about who and what I am. You get exactly what you voted for: a manipulative sadist who makes no apologies for who or what he is. And that's the kind of leadership the CSM requires if it's to accomplish anything when dealing with CCP; already CSM6 has demonstrated that with its lengthy record of successes.
Are you missing something here? Thats all well and good, but you should not be abusing your position and scamming people.
Are you now saying that you DO NOT represent eve players as the chair of the CSM? but only the goons?
Are you saying by the statement that infact the CSM should not be trusted? Because it sounds like that..
Please also list your successes... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
513
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:31:00 -
[72] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Malcanis wrote:Why shouldn't he attack ice miners? Oh god i wondered when you was going to show up, to the usual trolls have posted you, drake, and well others... So why shouldn't he attack ice miners?
How is he abusing his position? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
White Tree
Broski Federation Elite Space Guild
351
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:31:00 -
[73] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:This thread pleases me.
I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.
That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.
Ah so you admit that you are representing 'Your constituency' as in goons and not the eve player base. What you put forward, is everything your constituents want. They represent all the is bad for eve, scamming, manipulation everything else. Tell me, how can you be the chair of the CSM (which is supposed to represent all players) when all you do is represent yourself and the needs of your alliance. Do what you like in game, but you should not be abusing your position, and should be removed.
Each CSM member has put the needs of their constituents above needs of those who are not. The justification for this? You didn't vote for that CSM member because you felt they didn't represent you. Just because they were elected does not mean they suddenly have to represent you now. In addition to this, representing each individuals singular interests is virtually impossible. It's easier, more efficient, and to be fair basically politically correct to represent your constituents. You should find a CSM member that _does_ represent your interests, and then consider petitioning your concerns with them, as they're more likely to agree with you and they're probably at least partially responsible for your personal concerns. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
165
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:34:00 -
[74] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Are you missing something here? Thats all well and good, but you should not be abusing your position and scamming people.
Are you now saying that you DO NOT represent eve players as the chair of the CSM? but only the goons?
Are you saying by the statement that infact the CSM should not be trusted? Because it sounds like that..
Please also list your successes...
Being the CSM chairman doesn't mean that you're bound to a more limited set of rules as a player than anyone else. It's EVE, he can abuse his title as much as he wants as long as he doesn't breach NDA (like Darius III did) |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
424
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:34:00 -
[75] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:The problem i have with Mittani as the head of the CSM is that he is a high-profile alliance leader, and i doubt that he would agree with changes for the sake of balance, if said changes were to somehow interfere with his own alliance, or disagree with changes that would affect his enemies more than it would his own ally. He cannot have an impartial opinion on most subjects he deals with as a CSM member.
But unfortunatly that is in the nature of the CSM election. Besides being chairman doesnt mean he gets the final word, only that he gets to pass it on. This CSM has some very good members, like seleene and white tree, and i trust their judgement. This is foolish and uninformed. Goonswarm has one of the largest supercap fleets in the game, as well as some of the largest technetium holdings. I've vehemently advocated for nerfing both, loudly and in public. You're welcome to spew your tinfoil theories though. Yes of course. By building and maintaining a supercap fleet (derived from tech moons) and laughing at how you can run an ice denial campaign with funds derived from the tech moons.
In fact, I'm quite curious why you are now suddenly defending your pitiful role? You're on a self-prophesing and cheap ego trip. I know it, you know it. So why bother?
You even described yourself as "a manipulative bastard". It's much closer to the truth than even you realise and worse, your sheep don't even know it. The perfect ruse.....
You're full of it Mittens...
But it's a game after all yeah..... About ******* time you learned that it's not just yours. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
34
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:34:00 -
[76] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Zirse wrote:I have yet to hear a valid reason as to why the CSM 'shouldn't participate in ganking/scamming apart from the inherent 'waaaaaahhhhhh' in all of your posts.
They are an advisory council to CCP, not an in-game leadership/PR council. So you think abusing your position to scam people is ok then? When people see people like CSM tag or Chair of CSM sig they expect trust, infact they are getting scammed. Its disgusting and totally wrong for the game.. and is not acceptable.
How did the Mittani use his position as the chair of the CSM to abuse ppl? Can we get some proof of this abuse? Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Nariya Kentaya
Celestial Ascension
7
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:35:00 -
[77] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:This thread pleases me.
I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.
That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.
Ah so you admit that you are representing 'Your constituency' as in goons and not the eve player base. What you put forward, is everything your constituents want. They represent all the is bad for eve, scamming, manipulation everything else. Tell me, how can you be the chair of the CSM (which is supposed to represent all players) when all you do is represent yourself and the needs of your alliance. Do what you like in game, but you should not be abusing your position, and should be removed.
by your logic, democrats should support republicans and republicans should support democrats, oh, and america should ahve helped the soviet rebels take over greece in the cold war.
people will always advocate for what benefits them to some extent, and while he may advocate what he feels the goons want, that doesnt mean alot of people elsewhere dont support his decisions.
Also, if you think the CSm should be all carebear industrialist sissypants, why dont you run? im sure with your love and peace trustworthy leader of the public attitude you'll get THOUSANDS of people voting for you /sarcasm |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:35:00 -
[78] - Quote
White Tree wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:This thread pleases me.
I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.
That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.
Ah so you admit that you are representing 'Your constituency' as in goons and not the eve player base. What you put forward, is everything your constituents want. They represent all the is bad for eve, scamming, manipulation everything else. Tell me, how can you be the chair of the CSM (which is supposed to represent all players) when all you do is represent yourself and the needs of your alliance. Do what you like in game, but you should not be abusing your position, and should be removed. Each CSM member has put the needs of their constituents above needs of those who are not. The justification for this? You didn't vote for that CSM member because you felt they didn't represent you. Just because they were elected does not mean they suddenly have to represent you now. In addition to this, representing each individuals singular interests is virtually impossible. It's easier, more efficiency, and to be fair basically politically correct to represent your constituents. You should find a CSM member that _does_ represent your interests, and then consider petitioning your concerns with them, as they're more likely to agree with you and they're probably at least partially responsible for your personal concerns.
So your saying the CSM DOES NOT represent the eve player base as a whole? Because if that is true then the CSM is a lie and should be disbanded immediately.
and if it does not, then how are all the players in eve being represented? they are not!!!
You have just made it clear that each CSM are just out to get whats best for their voters (in other words their alliance)
Because no one else voted for you. This makes the CSM even more of a joke then...
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:36:00 -
[79] - Quote
Andski wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Are you missing something here? Thats all well and good, but you should not be abusing your position and scamming people.
Are you now saying that you DO NOT represent eve players as the chair of the CSM? but only the goons?
Are you saying by the statement that infact the CSM should not be trusted? Because it sounds like that..
Please also list your successes... Being the CSM chairman doesn't mean that you're bound to a more limited set of rules as a player than anyone else. It's EVE, he can abuse his title as much as he wants as long as he doesn't breach NDA (like Darius III did)
HOLY SH*T IS THIS TRUE - CCP PLEASE DONT TELL ME THIS IS TRUE!! OMFG
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
973
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:36:00 -
[80] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:This thread pleases me.
I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.
That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.
Ah so you admit that you are representing 'Your constituency' as in goons and not the eve player base. What you put forward, is everything your constituents want. They represent all the is bad for eve, scamming, manipulation everything else. Tell me, how can you be the chair of the CSM (which is supposed to represent all players) when all you do is represent yourself and the needs of your alliance. Do what you like in game, but you should not be abusing your position, and should be removed.
Every CSM represents their own constituents. Some have delusions about 'representing everyone'. I do not.
You clearly don't keep up with CSM issues; you got scammed for an Aeon or an Erebus or had your Mackinaw blown up (hopefully by me!) and are only just now waking up. But I've never made any bones about who I represent, or my view that (gasp) politicians represent their voters.
There are some folks in EVE - quite a lot, really - who have alarmingly naive views about democracy and politics. If you happen to be an American, I suggest going to your local Republican representative and asking him why he isn't implementing a Democratic policy point. After all, he represents 'everyone', right? Even those who vehemently oppose him?
Politics is about power and conflict. Some lie about it. I don't have to.
My constituents represent all that is good in EVE: grand warfare, violence, dystopia, power struggles, cleverness, cruelty and brilliance. If you think that chewing a cud while using a mining bot and shooting an Ice Belt is what EVE is, I'm happy that I helped awaken you to the real possibilities of New Eden.
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Ajunyx
XxBroski North Reloaded Federation NinjaGuldDotxX. Elite Space Guild
0
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:36:00 -
[81] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:
So your saying the CSM DOES NOT represent the eve player base as a whole? Because if that is true then the CSM is a lie and should be disbanded immediately.
and if it does not, then how are all the players in eve being represented? they are not!!!
You have just made it clear that each CSM are just out to get whats best for their voters (in other words their alliance)
Because no one else voted for you. This makes the CSM even more of a joke then...
How can the CSM represent every single player and their individual concerns? You're basically asking the impossible. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
513
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:37:00 -
[82] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:So your saying the CSM DOES NOT represent the eve player base as a whole? The CSM as a whole represents the voting part of the playerbase as a whole. Each CSM rep represents his/her constituents.
Quote:and if it does not, then how are all the players in eve being represented? they are not!!! Of course not. They didn't vote. No vote = no representation. That's their problem.
What part of this is confusing to you? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum KUGUTSUMEN.
180
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:38:00 -
[83] - Quote
People seem really butt hurt over Mittani and Goons. Every week its something new. |
Ajunyx
XxBroski North Reloaded Federation NinjaGuldDotxX. Elite Space Guild
0
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:39:00 -
[84] - Quote
Luckily for the endless multitudes of babies who incessantly whine about the CSM, next year you'll have the opportunity to change the way the CSM is built, and an equal opportunity to whine incessantly about how that CSM isn't representing your interests either. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:39:00 -
[85] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:So your saying the CSM DOES NOT represent the eve player base as a whole? The CSM as a whole represents the voting part of the playerbase as a whole. Quote:and if it does not, then how are all the players in eve being represented? they are not!!! Of course not. They didn't vote. No vote = no representation.
NO NO the CSM is supposed to be the voice of ALL the players not just those who voted. That is open to all kinds of abuse! and if thats the case please post the official rule saying this is the case and CSM does not represent the player base as a whole.. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
977
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:40:00 -
[86] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote: Because no one else voted for you. This makes the CSM even more of a joke then...
GSF had an exit poll system for the election; I received approximately 1700 votes from within my alliance out of my total of 5365. Sorry to destroy your tinfoil with facts!
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Nyio
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
148
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:40:00 -
[87] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:This thread pleases me.
I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.
That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.
You also seem to be pretty full of yourself.. And to me that rhymes bad with having a position within the CSM.
Features & Ideas Discussion: Agent Finder, Black Holes Needs a banner here.. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:40:00 -
[88] - Quote
Brooks Puuntai wrote:People seem really butt hurt over Mittani and Goons. Every week its something new.
k.com that way <-----
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
142
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:41:00 -
[89] - Quote
Brooks Puuntai wrote:People seem really butt hurt over Mittani and Goons. Every week its something new.
apparently all you have to do is lightly poke highsec (as a whole) and it turns into literally a bottomless fountain of tears.
you should try it. |
Psychophantic
77
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:41:00 -
[90] - Quote
One of our esteemed CSM's recruting on Something Awful.
Quote: Newbie pro-tip:
You can play EVE for free by buying widgets called 'PLEX' ingame; they're worth a month of subscription time and cost, as of this writing, about 315 million isk.
You can join Goonswarm and instantly turn around and recruitment scam hapless pubbies out of 500m to 1b+ isk on your very first day of playing since the poor fucks are so desperate to get into our alliance (cf. Space Communism, above). We'll teach you how; scamming owns.
One successful scam and bam - you'll never pay for EVE, unlike other MMOs which ding your credit card every month like clockwork. I haven't paid for an EVE subscription in more than a year, and I have four accounts; that'd be 60 bucks a month if I wasn't an honorless griefing metagamer.
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:41:00 -
[91] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Just Another Toon wrote: Because no one else voted for you. This makes the CSM even more of a joke then...
GSF had an exit poll system for the election; I received approximately 1700 votes from within my alliance out of my total of 5365. Sorry to destroy your tinfoil with facts!
lol yeah and the alliance alts...please dont try your manipulation tactics on me - it dont work...
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Ajunyx
XxBroski North Reloaded Federation NinjaGuldDotxX. Elite Space Guild
0
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:42:00 -
[92] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:So your saying the CSM DOES NOT represent the eve player base as a whole? The CSM as a whole represents the voting part of the playerbase as a whole. Quote:and if it does not, then how are all the players in eve being represented? they are not!!! Of course not. They didn't vote. No vote = no representation. NO NO the CSM is supposed to be the voice of ALL the players not just those who voted.
Wrong. If you didn't vote your opinion is moot. You had a chance to change the outcome of the election and you ignored it. You don't get the whine about it if you can't be bothered to change it. Again, you can't represent everyone. It's not possible. Real politics don't work this way, why should fictitious internet politics work this way. |
Nariya Kentaya
Celestial Ascension
7
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:42:00 -
[93] - Quote
Ajunyx wrote:Luckily for the endless multitudes of babies who incessantly whine about the CSM, next year you'll have the opportunity to change the way the CSM is built, and an equal opportunity to whine incessantly about how that CSM isn't representing your interests either. or you know, they shut up and unsub, or go back to being an indy in highsec, but i realy doubt they will even vote next year, they seem like one of thsoe people that would rather not vote and then complain about who gets elected and then tell all their friends about how the other guy was ebtter (you knw, the other candidate they ddint vote for either?)
i still haven't seen any specific instances of Mittani abusing his CSM position that the fault can't be layed entirely on the victim's naivety and stupidity. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
977
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:42:00 -
[94] - Quote
Nyio wrote:The Mittani wrote:This thread pleases me.
I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.
That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.
You also seem to be pretty full of yourself.. And to me that rhymes bad with having a position within the CSM.
Where you find a humble leader, you'll also find your politicians who 'represent everyone'.
Good luck in your search. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
142
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:42:00 -
[95] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Just Another Toon wrote: Because no one else voted for you. This makes the CSM even more of a joke then...
GSF had an exit poll system for the election; I received approximately 1700 votes from within my alliance out of my total of 5365. Sorry to destroy your tinfoil with facts!
and before people accuse TEST of voting for The Mittani: White Tree was our candidate. EVERY SINGLE MEMBER of the CSM got a lot more than just their alliance vote. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
74
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:43:00 -
[96] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:This thread pleases me.
I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.
That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.
So... you're telling me your experiences in DC have greatly helped your success in EVE as a scammer, politician and griefer.
Not surprising.
NOSTRO AURUM NON EST AURUM VULGI |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
513
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:43:00 -
[97] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:NO NO the CSM is supposed to be the voice of ALL the players not just those who voted. No they're not. They're just an elected representative body like all elected representative bodies GÇö as a whole, they represent the totality of voters, and individually, the represent their respective constituents.
Quote:That is open to all kinds of abuse! So how is it being abused?
Quote:please post the official rule saying this is the case and CSM does not represent the player base as a whole Please post the official rule saying that the CSM is somehow magically different from all other elected representative bodies in the history of mankind and that they must uphold your rather unrealistic idealGǪ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:43:00 -
[98] - Quote
Ajunyx wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:So your saying the CSM DOES NOT represent the eve player base as a whole? The CSM as a whole represents the voting part of the playerbase as a whole. Quote:and if it does not, then how are all the players in eve being represented? they are not!!! Of course not. They didn't vote. No vote = no representation. NO NO the CSM is supposed to be the voice of ALL the players not just those who voted. Wrong. If you didn't vote your opinion is moot. You had a chance to change the outcome of the election and you ignored it. You don't get the whine about it if you can't be bothered to change it. Again, you can't represent everyone. It's not possible. Real politics don't work this way, why should fictitious internet politics work this way.
WRONG
The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. It is important to keep in mind that the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
166
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:43:00 -
[99] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:Just Another Toon wrote: Because no one else voted for you. This makes the CSM even more of a joke then...
GSF had an exit poll system for the election; I received approximately 1700 votes from within my alliance out of my total of 5365. Sorry to destroy your tinfoil with facts! lol yeah and the alliance alts...please dont try your manipulation tactics on me - it dont work...
The exit poll accounted for that. Sorry! |
Ajunyx
XxBroski North Reloaded Federation NinjaGuldDotxX. Elite Space Guild
0
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:43:00 -
[100] - Quote
Psychophantic wrote:One of our esteemed CSM's recruting on Something Awful. Quote: Newbie pro-tip:
You can play EVE for free by buying widgets called 'PLEX' ingame; they're worth a month of subscription time and cost, as of this writing, about 315 million isk.
You can join Goonswarm and instantly turn around and recruitment scam hapless pubbies out of 500m to 1b+ isk on your very first day of playing since the poor fucks are so desperate to get into our alliance (cf. Space Communism, above). We'll teach you how; scamming owns.
One successful scam and bam - you'll never pay for EVE, unlike other MMOs which ding your credit card every month like clockwork. I haven't paid for an EVE subscription in more than a year, and I have four accounts; that'd be 60 bucks a month if I wasn't an honorless griefing metagamer.
Oh no, GSF doesn't teach its newbies about honor and the true pubbie way of life!!!
If you can extract infinite money from the infinitely stupid then you should do it. Lets face it, EVE is blatantly Darwinian in this regard and if you want to deny it then you should probably quit EVE immediately. |
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Deopheel Dalonne
Dalonne Smelting and Fabrication
15
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:44:00 -
[101] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Nyio wrote:The Mittani wrote:This thread pleases me.
I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.
That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.
You also seem to be pretty full of yourself.. And to me that rhymes bad with having a position within the CSM. Where you find a humble leader, you'll also find your politicians who 'represent everyone'. Good luck in your search. Do you realize that this is basically what ****** (the chancellor of Germany btw 1933 and 1945) was saying ? |
Nex apparatu5
Not a Shell Corp
9
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:44:00 -
[102] - Quote
CSM is NOT meant to represent the playerbase as a whole.
CSM is meant to represent the part of the playerbase that cares about the direction of the game, and of the bigger picture.
This is why there are no hisec caebears on the CSM, they only care about their little world.
0.0 players are the ones who vote, and therefore control the CSM.
You don't like it, do something about it.
I think Mittens is awesome. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
979
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:45:00 -
[103] - Quote
Bloodpetal wrote:So... you're telling me your experiences in DC have greatly helped your success in EVE as a scammer, politician and griefer. Not surprising.
Between that, Carl Schmitt and Karl Marx, yep. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
424
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:45:00 -
[104] - Quote
Akirei Scytale wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:People seem really butt hurt over Mittani and Goons. Every week its something new. apparently all you have to do is lightly poke highsec (as a whole) and it turns into literally a bottomless fountain of tears. you should try it. And the only reason Test is even involved is because G()ns would kick you clean out of Fountain if you do not comply with their demands. How very democratic....
You guys have got strength and some really good people and use it only to follow the Pied Piper.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Nariya Kentaya
Celestial Ascension
7
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:45:00 -
[105] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:
WRONG
The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. It is important to keep in mind that the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP.
you dont really GET politics or meta-gaming, do you? |
Ajunyx
XxBroski North Reloaded Federation NinjaGuldDotxX. Elite Space Guild
0
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:46:00 -
[106] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote: WRONG
The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. It is important to keep in mind that the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP.
Apparently the greater good of the playerbase was effectively and correctly represented when The Mittani recieved over 5000 votes putting him clearly and stunningly ahead of everyone else in the election. By the very nature of the CSM as a political structure, The Mittani is rightfully the chairman of CSM6. His ability to use his Alliance to torment hisec and the general masses existed long before his election to CSM6, however only now it apparently comes with the tag of 'abusing his privileged.' Heads up: It doesn't. It does in your mind because you want it too.
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:46:00 -
[107] - Quote
Andski wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:Just Another Toon wrote: Because no one else voted for you. This makes the CSM even more of a joke then...
GSF had an exit poll system for the election; I received approximately 1700 votes from within my alliance out of my total of 5365. Sorry to destroy your tinfoil with facts! lol yeah and the alliance alts...please dont try your manipulation tactics on me - it dont work... The exit poll accounted for that. Sorry!
Are you stupid, you the poll knew all alts of all accounts, and all alts in other corps and alliances affiliated with goon account
Dont talk rubbush...
Your telling me that ccp checked all those 1700 goon accounts to see if they had alts that had voted, and checked if they had seconds and third accounts with alts that voted... yeah ofc course they did.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
513
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:46:00 -
[108] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. They are. The problem is that a lot of players couldn't care less about being part of that GÇ£societyGÇ£. That's their problem, not a problem with the CSM
Quote:This requires active engagement with the player community It also requires active engagement from the community to vote in the people who will represent and carry the issues they feel are important.
AlsoGǪNex apparatu5 wrote:CSM is NOT meant to represent the playerbase as a whole.
CSM is meant to represent the part of the playerbase that cares about the direction of the game, and of the bigger picture.
This is why there are no hisec caebears on the CSM, they only care about their little world. GǪthis. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
165
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:46:00 -
[109] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:The problem i have with Mittani as the head of the CSM is that he is a high-profile alliance leader, and i doubt that he would agree with changes for the sake of balance, if said changes were to somehow interfere with his own alliance, or disagree with changes that would affect his enemies more than it would his own ally. He cannot have an impartial opinion on most subjects he deals with as a CSM member.
But unfortunatly that is in the nature of the CSM election. Besides being chairman doesnt mean he gets the final word, only that he gets to pass it on. This CSM has some very good members, like seleene and white tree, and i trust their judgement. This is foolish and uninformed. Goonswarm has one of the largest supercap fleets in the game, as well as some of the largest technetium holdings. I've vehemently advocated for nerfing both, loudly and in public. You're welcome to spew your tinfoil theories though.
On these matters, yes you have and i applaud that. But those were the obvious/easy ones. Besides like i said my main concern is that you are a high-profile alliance leader and wether you want or not, you get exposed to NDA data that might in more cases than not give you an unfair advantages over your adversaries. I.E you might know in advance about a nerf or buff that the NDA forbids you from discussing, but can't keep you from planning in advance with much more time than other alliances.
As an example, right know you might know for a fact that Tech is getting nerf and in what way its getting nerfed, therefore you have much more time to adapt your own alliance than your tech-holding adversaries will have, when that information gets public.
And with you being bound by the NDA, you can do nothing but give your own word that the information you are handling does not give you an unfair advantage.
So again i don't see a problem with you, as a person, being the chairman of the CSM. And i also don't see a problem with you being the fearless leader of Goonswarm. I see a problem with you being both. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Ajunyx
XxBroski North Reloaded Federation NinjaGuldDotxX. Elite Space Guild
0
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:47:00 -
[110] - Quote
Deopheel Dalonne wrote: Do you realize that this is basically what ****** (the chancellor of Germany btw 1933 and 1945) was saying ?
:SIREN: GODWIN :SIREN: |
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
979
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:47:00 -
[111] - Quote
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:The Mittani wrote:Nyio wrote:The Mittani wrote:This thread pleases me.
I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.
That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.
You also seem to be pretty full of yourself.. And to me that rhymes bad with having a position within the CSM. Where you find a humble leader, you'll also find your politicians who 'represent everyone'. Good luck in your search. Do you realize that this is basically what ****** (the chancellor of Germany btw 1933 and 1945) was saying ?
My leadership model in Goonswarm is much more based on Stalin. But last week some hisec miner compared me to Osama Bin Laden because I dropped my Brutix on his Mackinaw and blew it up, so I'll accept your insult in the tear-stained spirit of anguish it was given. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:47:00 -
[112] - Quote
Ajunyx wrote:Just Another Toon wrote: WRONG
The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. It is important to keep in mind that the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP.
Apparently the greater good of the playerbase was effectively and correctly represented when The Mittani recieved over 5000 votes putting him clearly and stunningly ahead of everyone else in the election. By the very nature of the CSM as a political structure, The Mittani is rightfully the chairman of CSM6. His ability to use his Alliance to torment hisec and the general masses existed long before his election to CSM6, however only now it apparently comes with the tag of 'abusing his privileged.' Heads up: It doesn't. It does in your mind because you want it too.
manipulated by alts...not rocket science. and the rules dont change cos of that - go away goon alt...
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
167
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:48:00 -
[113] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:People seem really butt hurt over Mittani and Goons. Every week its something new. apparently all you have to do is lightly poke highsec (as a whole) and it turns into literally a bottomless fountain of tears. you should try it. And the only reason Test is even involved is because G()ns would kick you clean out of Fountain if you do not comply with their demands. How very democratic.... You guys have got strength and some really good people and use it only to follow the Pied Piper.
TEST are their own alliance - Goonswarm doesn't dictate what they do. |
Ajunyx
XxBroski North Reloaded Federation NinjaGuldDotxX. Elite Space Guild
0
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:49:00 -
[114] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Ajunyx wrote:Just Another Toon wrote: WRONG
The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. It is important to keep in mind that the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP.
Apparently the greater good of the playerbase was effectively and correctly represented when The Mittani recieved over 5000 votes putting him clearly and stunningly ahead of everyone else in the election. By the very nature of the CSM as a political structure, The Mittani is rightfully the chairman of CSM6. His ability to use his Alliance to torment hisec and the general masses existed long before his election to CSM6, however only now it apparently comes with the tag of 'abusing his privileged.' Heads up: It doesn't. It does in your mind because you want it too. manipulated by alts...not rocket science. and the rules dont change cos of that - go away goon alt...
It'd be really cool if you could dismiss legitimate counter-points by just saying 'Goon alt' or something like that but luckily we can't because we're not inherently stupid on a fundamental level. |
Paragon Renegade
The Multinational Company.
7
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:51:00 -
[115] - Quote
.........................He didn't do anything wrong.
I'm not even a vet, and I know that Mittani, while he is a complete ass in the game, is a vocal proponent of............. everything that enhances gameplay really.
Scamming with his title, griefing & accomplishing his own ends is exactly what everyone else does, don't make a special plea for CSM personnel. If somebody trusts someone to begin with, they're doing it wrong. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
513
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:52:00 -
[116] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:manipulated by alts...not rocket science. and the rules dont change cos of that - go away goon alt. So in other words, you have no proof and no argument, much like you have nothing to indicate that he's abusing his position.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
142
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:52:00 -
[117] - Quote
Andski wrote:The Apostle wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:People seem really butt hurt over Mittani and Goons. Every week its something new. apparently all you have to do is lightly poke highsec (as a whole) and it turns into literally a bottomless fountain of tears. you should try it. And the only reason Test is even involved is because G()ns would kick you clean out of Fountain if you do not comply with their demands. How very democratic.... You guys have got strength and some really good people and use it only to follow the Pied Piper. TEST are their own alliance - Goonswarm doesn't dictate what they do.
just to exemplify this with some history:
Remember when the clusterfuck coalition decided to destroy the NC alongside the russians, and how it recently killed Morsus Mihi's attempt at Delve sov? Yeah, that was all Montolio. Goons were actually kinda pissed at us for a little bit over that, but followed us into that war. Goonswarm may be the dominant power in the CFC, but they are not the only driver. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
979
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:54:00 -
[118] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:
Are you stupid, you the poll knew all alts of all accounts, and all alts in other corps and alliances affiliated with goon account
Dont talk rubbush...
Your telling me that ccp checked all those 1700 goon accounts to see if they had alts that had voted, and checked if they had seconds and third accounts with alts that voted... yeah ofc course they did.
I'm one of the most well known players in the game, I've written a popular column on Tentonhammer for years, and I have a lot of people who - while they may not like me personally - believe that my particular methods are effective in getting CCP to do what is best for EVE.
If you can't understand that, well - you're probably a victim, the kind of fool who gets scammed out of a supercap.
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Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
137
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:54:00 -
[119] - Quote
lmao 6 likes unlucky bub |
Nariya Kentaya
Celestial Ascension
7
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:55:00 -
[120] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:manipulated by alts...not rocket science. and the rules dont change cos of that - go away goon alt. So in other words, you have no proof and no argument, much like you have nothing to indicate that he's abusing his position. i guess "when in doubt, blame it on goon alts" eh? lol
OP should really stop posting and let thread die while they still have SOME respectability (not much, but enough to be redeemed in time) |
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
114
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:56:00 -
[121] - Quote
CSM7 is just around the corner. If the people want him removed, he won't get voted back in.
So, I suspect he'll be campaigning again soon. And you can call him to task during the campaign, if you want. What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Ajunyx
XxBroski North Reloaded Federation NinjaGuldDotxX. Elite Space Guild
4
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:56:00 -
[122] - Quote
Thread disaster. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
514
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:58:00 -
[123] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:CSM7 is just around the corner. If the people want him removed, he won't get voted back in.
So, I suspect he'll be campaigning again soon. And you can call him to task during the campaign, if you want. LOGIC?! WTF?!
Now you're just being unreasonable and silly! GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
168
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 21:58:00 -
[124] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:CSM7 is just around the corner. If the people want him removed, he won't get voted back in.
So, I suspect he'll be campaigning again soon. And you can call him to task during the campaign, if you want.
we've all plexed dozens of accounts each to stuff the ballots with the hours for plex thing |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
983
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 22:00:00 -
[125] - Quote
Vote Mittani 2012: ~Chairman for Life~ |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
165
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 22:00:00 -
[126] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:manipulated by alts...not rocket science. and the rules dont change cos of that - go away goon alt. So in other words, you have no proof and no argument, much like you have nothing to indicate that he's abusing his position.
The issue is not if he has or has not abused his position.
The issue is that he is in a position that can be abused, without any NDA or rule being broken. Were he not the leader of GSF, but a simple director or even a grunt and someone says that GSF has taken advantage of NDA data, the only possibility of that happening would be due to an NDA breach and that would be investigated accordingly.
But in the position he is in, he does not need to break the NDA to use the information he is being exposed to as an unfair advantage.
In his place i would either not have applied for the CSM, or stepped down from the leadership of GSM upon winning the election.
But hey, those are just my principles.. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
137
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 22:00:00 -
[127] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
Are you stupid, you the poll knew all alts of all accounts, and all alts in other corps and alliances affiliated with goon account
Dont talk rubbush...
Your telling me that ccp checked all those 1700 goon accounts to see if they had alts that had voted, and checked if they had seconds and third accounts with alts that voted... yeah ofc course they did.
I'm one of the most well known players in the game, I've written a popular column on Tentonhammer for years, and I have a lot of people who - while they may not like me personally - believe that my particular methods are effective in getting CCP to do what is best for EVE. If you can't understand that, well - you're probably a victim, the kind of fool who gets scammed out of a supercap. he didn't want that erebus anyway |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
168
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 22:00:00 -
[128] - Quote
our cyno accounts drive democracy forward |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
35
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 22:01:00 -
[129] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:manipulated by alts...not rocket science. and the rules dont change cos of that - go away goon alt. So in other words, you have no proof and no argument, much like you have nothing to indicate that he's abusing his position.
seriously please stop posting your silly comments, dont you get bored of trolling utter rubbish?
oh btw look at his latest scam on C&P, and i dont need to, he freely admits it...
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Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
98
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Posted - 2011.10.16 22:02:00 -
[130] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:White Tree wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:This thread pleases me.
I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.
That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.
Ah so you admit that you are representing 'Your constituency' as in goons and not the eve player base. What you put forward, is everything your constituents want. They represent all the is bad for eve, scamming, manipulation everything else. Tell me, how can you be the chair of the CSM (which is supposed to represent all players) when all you do is represent yourself and the needs of your alliance. Do what you like in game, but you should not be abusing your position, and should be removed. Each CSM member has put the needs of their constituents above needs of those who are not. The justification for this? You didn't vote for that CSM member because you felt they didn't represent you. Just because they were elected does not mean they suddenly have to represent you now. In addition to this, representing each individuals singular interests is virtually impossible. It's easier, more efficiency, and to be fair basically politically correct to represent your constituents. You should find a CSM member that _does_ represent your interests, and then consider petitioning your concerns with them, as they're more likely to agree with you and they're probably at least partially responsible for your personal concerns. So your saying the CSM DOES NOT represent the eve player base as a whole? Because if that is true then the CSM is a lie and should be disbanded immediately. and if it does not, then how are all the players in eve being represented? they are not!!! You have just made it clear that each CSM are just out to get whats best for their voters (in other words their alliance) Because no one else voted for you. This makes the CSM even more of a joke then...
You are ******** and/or 12.
How can a small group of people ever completely represent an exponentially larger group of players completely? |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
514
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 22:02:00 -
[131] - Quote
Renan Ruivo wrote:The issue is not if he has or has not abused his position. The OP seems to disagreeGǪ
Quote:The issue is that he is in a position that can be abused, without any NDA or rule being broken. How so?
Quote:But in the position he is in, he does not need to break the NDA to use the information he is being exposed to as an unfair advantage. Again: how? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
35
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 22:02:00 -
[132] - Quote
Zirse wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:White Tree wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:This thread pleases me.
I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.
That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.
Ah so you admit that you are representing 'Your constituency' as in goons and not the eve player base. What you put forward, is everything your constituents want. They represent all the is bad for eve, scamming, manipulation everything else. Tell me, how can you be the chair of the CSM (which is supposed to represent all players) when all you do is represent yourself and the needs of your alliance. Do what you like in game, but you should not be abusing your position, and should be removed. Each CSM member has put the needs of their constituents above needs of those who are not. The justification for this? You didn't vote for that CSM member because you felt they didn't represent you. Just because they were elected does not mean they suddenly have to represent you now. In addition to this, representing each individuals singular interests is virtually impossible. It's easier, more efficiency, and to be fair basically politically correct to represent your constituents. You should find a CSM member that _does_ represent your interests, and then consider petitioning your concerns with them, as they're more likely to agree with you and they're probably at least partially responsible for your personal concerns. So your saying the CSM DOES NOT represent the eve player base as a whole? Because if that is true then the CSM is a lie and should be disbanded immediately. and if it does not, then how are all the players in eve being represented? they are not!!! You have just made it clear that each CSM are just out to get whats best for their voters (in other words their alliance) Because no one else voted for you. This makes the CSM even more of a joke then... You are ******** and/or 12. How can a small group of people ever completely represent an exponentially larger group of players completely?
so your saying the president of the usa doesnt represent everyone in the usa? oh btw read the CSM scope |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
514
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 22:03:00 -
[133] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:seriously please stop posting your silly comments, dont you get bored of trolling utter rubbish?
oh btw look at his latest scam on C&P, and i dont need to, he freely admits it... So how is he abusing his position?
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
165
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 22:04:00 -
[134] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:manipulated by alts...not rocket science. and the rules dont change cos of that - go away goon alt. So in other words, you have no proof and no argument, much like you have nothing to indicate that he's abusing his position. seriously please stop posting your silly comments, dont you get bored of trolling utter rubbish? oh btw look at his latest scam on C&P, and i dont need to, he freely admits it...
I don't always agree with Tippia but i've never seen he/she/it trolling, just arguing with facts as it sees them Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
143
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 22:05:00 -
[135] - Quote
I don't even know what's going on in this thread anymore. Anyone want to play transformice? |
Nariya Kentaya
Celestial Ascension
9
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 22:09:00 -
[136] - Quote
let's all instead talk about something we can all agree on!
Pie is good, my favorite is pumpkin, what is yours?
BTW if the mittani DOES NOT like pie, then maybe he shouldnt be CSM, and if OP doesnt like pie, OP should unsub.
but honestly, does this thread even have a point anymore? im starting to think OP has no proof beyond their own butthurt-ness that Mittani should be removed. |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
209
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 22:13:00 -
[137] - Quote
Akirei Scytale wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:I remember when you were a member of Test. I do too. I also remember how he managed to get kicked from TEST. How does that even happen?
I forgive you, pubbies - TEST pubblies especially have pretty short/faulty memories [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img] |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
38
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 22:15:00 -
[138] - Quote
Nariya Kentaya wrote:let's all instead talk about something we can all agree on!
Pie is good, my favorite is pumpkin, what is yours?
BTW if the mittani DOES NOT like pie, then maybe he shouldnt be CSM, and if OP doesnt like pie, OP should unsub.
but honestly, does this thread even have a point anymore? im starting to think OP has no proof beyond their own butthurt-ness that Mittani should be removed.
keep trying to derail the post
anyway as stated.. i will make an official petition to CCP and hopefully get an official reponse. In that i will state all my arguments in full. I will also be writing to all MMO editorials on this matter, and lets see what people outside eve think also. I aim to get maximum exposure on this...so you goon alts can troll all you like, derail the post, whatever... its wrong and not acceptable..
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
165
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 22:16:00 -
[139] - Quote
Test kicked someone? I though you guys were an alliance made of rejects from other alliances..
Not that i have anything against that though.. i even thought about going there if/when i get booted from my own because i don't have a filter between my brain and my mouth. And i don't want one. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
516
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 22:17:00 -
[140] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:keep trying to derail the post Yes, please do.
For instance, by not responding to the very simple questions: How is he abusing his position? Where's your proof? Where are your arguments? Why shouldn't he kill ice miners?
Quote:anyway as stated.. i will make an official petition to CCP and hopefully get an official reponse. Too bad you're not allowed to share it if you doGǪ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
172
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 22:18:00 -
[141] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Nariya Kentaya wrote:let's all instead talk about something we can all agree on!
Pie is good, my favorite is pumpkin, what is yours?
BTW if the mittani DOES NOT like pie, then maybe he shouldnt be CSM, and if OP doesnt like pie, OP should unsub.
but honestly, does this thread even have a point anymore? im starting to think OP has no proof beyond their own butthurt-ness that Mittani should be removed. keep trying to derail the post anyway as stated.. i will make an official petition to CCP and hopefully get an official reponse. In that i will state all my arguments in full. I will also be writing to all MMO editorials on this matter, and lets see what people outside eve think also. I aim to get maximum exposure on this...so you goon alts can troll all you like, derail the post, whatever... its wrong and not acceptable..
because you obviously have a lot more pull in the gaming media than the mittani |
Nariya Kentaya
Celestial Ascension
9
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 22:18:00 -
[142] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Nariya Kentaya wrote:let's all instead talk about something we can all agree on!
Pie is good, my favorite is pumpkin, what is yours?
BTW if the mittani DOES NOT like pie, then maybe he shouldnt be CSM, and if OP doesnt like pie, OP should unsub.
but honestly, does this thread even have a point anymore? im starting to think OP has no proof beyond their own butthurt-ness that Mittani should be removed. keep trying to derail the post anyway as stated.. i will make an official petition to CCP and hopefully get an official reponse. In that i will state all my arguments in full. I will also be writing to all MMO editorials on this matter, and lets see what people outside eve think also. I aim to get maximum exposure on this...so you goon alts can troll all you like, derail the post, whatever... its wrong and not acceptable.. ONE <--- not a goon alt, in fact, used to fly AGAINST goons quite often, still have buddies that do, but only cause goons are the only people who will stay and fight instead of running to the nearest station (often cause they have roams out in non-blue space)
SECOND, WTH are you posting this at all if your NOT GOING TO PRESENT ANY PROOF until you file it in a petition NONE OF US ARE PROBABLY GOING TO SEE.
your logic is flawed, adn i can GUARANTEE you will attempt to bias the hell out of any "reports" you write to outside editorials.
also, IMO, i wouldnt try to base EVE decisions based on the opinions of people who DONT play, since alot of the things EVE is famous for arent even ALLOWED (under threat of banning) in other MMO's. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
172
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 22:19:00 -
[143] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:anyway as stated.. i will make an official petition to CCP and hopefully get an official reponse.
The logs show nothing |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
25
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 22:20:00 -
[144] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote: anyway as stated.. i will make an official petition to CCP and hopefully get an official reponse.
Don't forget to list the hundreds of +1's you got from this thread.
You know, to show that the Community is behind you and your not just a lone nut job.
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Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
209
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 22:20:00 -
[145] - Quote
I have to say also that Brother Mittens is not at fault here at all.
I am confident he, Vile Rat, White Tree + others are doing their best.
Will let you in on a lil secret i have learned over the years...
When you are faced with something, you ALWAYS have 2 or more choices. In this case, one is whinging to the CSM to stop being silly. Another is to stop ice mining. Another is to mine ice in an area of space that has it. Another option is to war dec the Goonies and kill them in high sec. Another option is some python injection to give u more ice. Another option is to put up a Caldari tower.
So there you go. Plenty of options for you to try. [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img] |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
35
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Posted - 2011.10.16 22:20:00 -
[146] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Nariya Kentaya wrote:let's all instead talk about something we can all agree on!
Pie is good, my favorite is pumpkin, what is yours?
BTW if the mittani DOES NOT like pie, then maybe he shouldnt be CSM, and if OP doesnt like pie, OP should unsub.
but honestly, does this thread even have a point anymore? im starting to think OP has no proof beyond their own butthurt-ness that Mittani should be removed. keep trying to derail the post anyway as stated.. i will make an official petition to CCP and hopefully get an official reponse. In that i will state all my arguments in full. I will also be writing to all MMO editorials on this matter, and lets see what people outside eve think also. I aim to get maximum exposure on this...so you goon alts can troll all you like, derail the post, whatever... its wrong and not acceptable..
Max Tearage! Woot! I never thought I'd live to see the day! Praise be to God! And the Mittani! Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Roosterton
Eternal Frontier
89
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Posted - 2011.10.16 22:28:00 -
[147] - Quote
I'm voting for Mittens in the next election. Just because of this thread. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
993
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 22:29:00 -
[148] - Quote
The last thing you should do when dealing with a sadist who has power over you is to cry and whine. It's like blood in the water. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
145
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Posted - 2011.10.16 22:30:00 -
[149] - Quote
Headerman wrote:I forgive you, pubbies - TEST pubblies especially have pretty short/faulty memories
I remember plenty. |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
106
|
Posted - 2011.10.16 22:30:00 -
[150] - Quote
If you don't want The Mittanni to be in the CSM, then vote for someone else next time.
Didn't vote? You just highlighted one of the key problems behind any electoral system - non participation. This is why some countries compel their citizens to vote. |
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Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
108
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Posted - 2011.10.16 22:31:00 -
[151] - Quote
This thread is a precious jewel and anybody badposting in it should feel bad. |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
209
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Posted - 2011.10.16 22:31:00 -
[152] - Quote
Akirei Scytale wrote:Headerman wrote:I forgive you, pubbies - TEST pubblies especially have pretty short/faulty memories I remember plenty.
Too bad it's wrong. I was not in E115 when it was in TEST u dickhead [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img] |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
145
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Posted - 2011.10.16 22:32:00 -
[153] - Quote
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:This thread is a precious jewel and anybody badposting in it should feel bad.
Dude, badposting is what I do. You can have your jewel, I am merely the impurities that lend it its unique color. |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2011.10.16 22:33:00 -
[154] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:The last thing you should do when dealing with a sadist who has power over you is to cry and whine. It's like blood in the water. Unless you are a masochist, then you should do the opposite of this.
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
165
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Posted - 2011.10.16 22:34:00 -
[155] - Quote
Taedrin wrote:If you don't want The Mittanni to be in the CSM, then vote for someone else next time.
Didn't vote? You just highlighted one of the key problems behind any electoral system - non participation. This is why some countries compel their citizens to vote.
Which is worse. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
516
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Posted - 2011.10.16 22:35:00 -
[156] - Quote
Alara IonStorm wrote:The Mittani wrote:The last thing you should do when dealing with a sadist who has power over you is to cry and whine. It's like blood in the water. Unless you are a masochist, then you should do the opposite of this. GǪor if you're an entertainer, in which case you should do it to give the rest of us a good laugh.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
145
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Posted - 2011.10.16 22:36:00 -
[157] - Quote
Renan Ruivo wrote:Taedrin wrote:If you don't want The Mittanni to be in the CSM, then vote for someone else next time.
Didn't vote? You just highlighted one of the key problems behind any electoral system - non participation. This is why some countries compel their citizens to vote. Which is worse.
Oh god tell me about it. When I was in Ecuador, election week was a nightmare. Voting was compulsory, and enforced by police. They had such severe issues with the "drunk vote" in the past that the entire country went dry for the election week. It was... hell. |
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises Tactical Narcotics Team
0
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Posted - 2011.10.16 22:37:00 -
[158] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Nariya Kentaya wrote:let's all instead talk about something we can all agree on!
Pie is good, my favorite is pumpkin, what is yours?
BTW if the mittani DOES NOT like pie, then maybe he shouldnt be CSM, and if OP doesnt like pie, OP should unsub.
but honestly, does this thread even have a point anymore? im starting to think OP has no proof beyond their own butthurt-ness that Mittani should be removed. keep trying to derail the post anyway as stated.. i will make an official petition to CCP and hopefully get an official reponse. In that i will state all my arguments in full. I will also be writing to all MMO editorials on this matter, and lets see what people outside eve think also. I aim to get maximum exposure on this...so you goon alts can troll all you like, derail the post, whatever... its wrong and not acceptable..
Damn, the tears have never rolled so hard, could we send you a few cases of tissue to help with you whining.
If The Mittani came keep up doing what he does to cause all this whining for another year, this game might actually get fixed. |
Killer Gandry
Shadow of the Pain
2
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Posted - 2011.10.16 22:38:00 -
[159] - Quote
I don't like Goons. I never claimed I did and never will. They are an infectious disease in any game.
However there is absolutely no rule which states that anyone in the CSM isn't allowed to use anything ingame which is allowed within the game mechanics.
They can scam, they can gank they can do whateve they want aslong as it's allowed within the limited sandbox we call EVE.
There are other ways to get rid of Goons, but that would mean more work than the general population in a game has the heart for. It's a lot easier to whine and complain about something than actually do something about it within the same mechanics they play.
He has chair now within the CSM and if you don't want him there you will have to work harder than his croonies, who got him there, to get him out of that position. Effectivly this means you have to convince a large chunk of the playerbase to vote for someone else. Not a spread vote but a block vote.
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
994
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Posted - 2011.10.16 22:40:00 -
[160] - Quote
Alara IonStorm wrote:The Mittani wrote:The last thing you should do when dealing with a sadist who has power over you is to cry and whine. It's like blood in the water. If you are a masochist, then you should do the opposite of this.
I love masochists, as long as they're attractive and female. I find the male variety instinctively repellent. |
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
426
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Posted - 2011.10.16 22:40:00 -
[161] - Quote
Renan Ruivo wrote:Test kicked someone? I though you guys were an alliance made of rejects from other alliances..
Not that i have anything against that though.. i even thought about going there if/when i get booted from my own because i don't have a filter between my brain and my mouth. And i don't want one. Yeah, I remember doing an op with testies where we had to go kill some "strategic tower" in lowsec. We weren't told it was an E115 tower until we got there and saw it. It was purely a payback op if ever. 30 something jumps to pop some POS got a few people annoyed I can tell ya.
Then we got opped to do another tower, same place, apparently also owned by E115, turns out intel ****** up so we shot someone elses tower instead.
When back on the timer and got totally owned by Rooks and Kings. Whatever happened between E115 and test sure pissed off Test.
I still laugh about it... Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2011.10.16 22:48:00 -
[162] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:The Mittani wrote:The last thing you should do when dealing with a sadist who has power over you is to cry and whine. It's like blood in the water. If you are a masochist, then you should do the opposite of this. I love masochists, as long as they're attractive and female. I find the male variety instinctively repellent. What are your opinions on unattractive females. Also what about dudes make them repellent. Is it the whole gay thing?
This part of your life really should be documented in intricate detail for future generations.
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
994
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Posted - 2011.10.16 22:54:00 -
[163] - Quote
Alara IonStorm wrote:The Mittani wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:The Mittani wrote:The last thing you should do when dealing with a sadist who has power over you is to cry and whine. It's like blood in the water. If you are a masochist, then you should do the opposite of this. I love masochists, as long as they're attractive and female. I find the male variety instinctively repellent. What are your opinions on unattractive females. Also what about dudes make them repellent. Is it the whole gay thing? This part of your life really should be documented in intricate detail for future generations.
I actually don't mind gay male masochists at all, just the straight ones. It's sort of an odd, unfair prejudice of mine.
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
48
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Posted - 2011.10.16 22:58:00 -
[164] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:The Mittani wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:The Mittani wrote:The last thing you should do when dealing with a sadist who has power over you is to cry and whine. It's like blood in the water. If you are a masochist, then you should do the opposite of this. I love masochists, as long as they're attractive and female. I find the male variety instinctively repellent. What are your opinions on unattractive females. Also what about dudes make them repellent. Is it the whole gay thing? This part of your life really should be documented in intricate detail for future generations. I actually don't mind gay male masochists at all, just the straight ones. It's sort of an odd, unfair prejudice of mine.
Mittens loves gays. Mittens for CSM 8! |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
209
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Posted - 2011.10.16 22:59:00 -
[165] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:The Mittani wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:The Mittani wrote:The last thing you should do when dealing with a sadist who has power over you is to cry and whine. It's like blood in the water. If you are a masochist, then you should do the opposite of this. I love masochists, as long as they're attractive and female. I find the male variety instinctively repellent. What are your opinions on unattractive females. Also what about dudes make them repellent. Is it the whole gay thing? This part of your life really should be documented in intricate detail for future generations. I actually don't mind gay male masochists at all, just the straight ones. It's sort of an odd, unfair prejudice of mine.
Dood, i am sure you are hurting TESTs feelings atm... why not just reset them and let them feel the pain? [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img] |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
994
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Posted - 2011.10.16 23:05:00 -
[166] - Quote
Katrina Oniseki wrote: Mittens loves gays. Mittens for CSM 8!
i'm a glbt-friendly mitten~ |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
109
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Posted - 2011.10.16 23:05:00 -
[167] - Quote
There has never been a better time to reset TEST. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
146
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Posted - 2011.10.16 23:07:00 -
[168] - Quote
Kick BORT. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
172
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Posted - 2011.10.16 23:14:00 -
[169] - Quote
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:There has never been a better time to reset TEST.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
172
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Posted - 2011.10.16 23:14:00 -
[170] - Quote
kick amok, kick mrchi, kick etny, kick goonwaffe |
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Skurja Volpar
DPB Corporation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.16 23:29:00 -
[171] - Quote
Entertaining thread to say the least.
OP, you really need some sort of proof or incident or at least something to stop you sounding like a snivelling bereaved former Mackinaw owner.
As has been well documented Eve is a game where safety is a brief fleeting moment, and there are many hard working honest players doing their upmost to make that moment as brief and fleeting as possible. And I for one salute them.
I didn't know what an oxygen isotobe was until about 2 weeks ago, I have never erected nor destroyed a pos, I have never lived in nullsec and know nothing of its politics,
But OP know this, your thread has secured at least one non-goon vote for Mittani next time around.
(in fact this whole thread suddenly feels a little too perfect... Just Another Toon, self promoting goonalt?!) |
Darth Skorpius
Legion of Darkwind Order of the Void
17
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Posted - 2011.10.16 23:31:00 -
[172] - Quote
i find it hilarious that people are expecting a lawyer to be all moral and ethical in a game. also, because hes a lawyer he probably has a better understanding of the rules of the game and his position as csm chair than anyone else in this thread! Baa Means Baa! |
CyberRaver
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.16 23:36:00 -
[173] - Quote
If the OP had ANY form of brains he would of been in NON gallente space mining ice and making a killing, Mittani is first and foremost a player of the terrible game we call eve (or currently supercaps online) which means hes free to **** in his sandbox if he wishes as long as its within the ruleset given to us, as stated by EULA His actions have brought about the nerfing of the single most game destroying entitiy in the game the super capital ship, who cares about a few botting ice miners? its all within the rules
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Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
209
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Posted - 2011.10.16 23:37:00 -
[174] - Quote
Well this has got me so excited i am going to go over the road and get a coffee.
Anyone want one? [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img] |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians Blazing Angels Alliance
53
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Posted - 2011.10.16 23:38:00 -
[175] - Quote
Hi OP,
See I think you misunderstood something. This is EVE.
alright? quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Nyio
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
148
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Posted - 2011.10.16 23:42:00 -
[176] - Quote
I predict that The Mittani won't be in the CSM 2012.
Note: I voted for Trebor Daehdoow last time, and would probably do it again. Another candidate that I like after reading some is Seleene. Features & Ideas Discussion: Agent Finder, Black Holes Needs a banner here.. |
Sara XIII
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2011.10.16 23:42:00 -
[177] - Quote
another goon thread............. |
Sage Revinour
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.16 23:49:00 -
[178] - Quote
OP: way to sh!t up General forum with yet more goonie blather. Good job.
ps: alt detected |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics BRABODEN
254
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Posted - 2011.10.16 23:52:00 -
[179] - Quote
I don't agree with the OP that he should be booted, but I do think that the cult of personality is fairly obnoxious. But that's not really on Mittani, it's on those of you who embarrass yourselves licking his ass publically. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
147
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Posted - 2011.10.16 23:52:00 -
[180] - Quote
everyone in eve is a goon alt. except you. |
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Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2011.10.16 23:54:00 -
[181] - Quote
I <3 this Thread so much I would have Sex with it if it was a hot person.
Mittens for CSM 8.
Edit: And Alara missed a 10 Page Snipe and thinks this is now the worst thread ever and is most likely ugly and fat if it was a person.
Still voting for Mittens though. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
165
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Posted - 2011.10.16 23:55:00 -
[182] - Quote
Akirei Scytale wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:Taedrin wrote:If you don't want The Mittanni to be in the CSM, then vote for someone else next time.
Didn't vote? You just highlighted one of the key problems behind any electoral system - non participation. This is why some countries compel their citizens to vote. Which is worse. Oh god tell me about it. When I was in Ecuador, election week was a nightmare. Voting was compulsory, and enforced by police. They had such severe issues with the "drunk vote" in the past that the entire country went dry for the election week. It was... hell.
Its kind of a left-over from military dictatorship era. Equador (and a lot of countries in south-america, including mine) had rebellions and freedom fighting going on for much of the 70's and 80's and when said military dictatorships were finally defeated and replaced by democracy, the so called "freedom fighters" felt that those who didn't want to participate on the "democracy" they brought about with the free-election system must be crazy. And crazy people don't know better, se their hand must be forced or else. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
209
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Posted - 2011.10.17 00:00:00 -
[183] - Quote
Well just FYI, i got an extra large Latte with 2 sweeteners, and a Friand.
I would upload a pic of both if i had a usb cable for my fone :(
I got the coffee from a coffee shop that is a front for Scientologists, so apologies in advance for any bad postings that may result from some freely added hallucinagens [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img] |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
49
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Posted - 2011.10.17 00:22:00 -
[184] - Quote
Hm, I already half-suspect Just Another Toon to be an The Mittani alt...
Just the posting giving him a chance for many non-Goons to agree with him for a change.
Anyway, lets play along...
1. Scamming and killing Ice Miners and griefing is ok in EVE for anyone. Get used to it. 2. If you want someone that doesn't represent the 0-Sec people only, vote differently next time AND make all the people that cannot be bothered to vote at all VOTE! No vote = bad juju for your opinion. 3. Listen to "Still got the Blues for you"... Makes you understand the Zero-Sec dilemma better. 4. Have a nice day!
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
165
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Posted - 2011.10.17 00:38:00 -
[185] - Quote
Aidan Brooder wrote:Hm, I already half-suspect Just Another Toon to be an The Mittani alt... Just the posting giving him a chance for many non-Goons to agree with him for a change. Anyway, lets play along... 1. Scamming and killing Ice Miners and griefing is ok in EVE for anyone. Get used to it. 2. If you want someone that doesn't represent the 0-Sec people only, vote differently next time AND make all the people that cannot be bothered to vote at all VOTE! No vote = bad juju for your opinion. 3. Listen to "Still got the Blues for you"... Makes you understand the Zero-Sec dilemma better. 4. Have a nice day!
High-sec people don't band together, therefore high-sec people have no true figure to represent them. I'm all for keeping the pressure on them bears. Most will leave, but the ones who will stick around will band together and we will all feel their nerd rage.
They might even bring some punishers and some kestrels to 0.1 sectors, imagine that..
nightmarish stuff i tell you. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
49
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Posted - 2011.10.17 00:47:00 -
[186] - Quote
Renan Ruivo wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:Hm, I already half-suspect Just Another Toon to be an The Mittani alt... Just the posting giving him a chance for many non-Goons to agree with him for a change. Anyway, lets play along... 1. Scamming and killing Ice Miners and griefing is ok in EVE for anyone. Get used to it. 2. If you want someone that doesn't represent the 0-Sec people only, vote differently next time AND make all the people that cannot be bothered to vote at all VOTE! No vote = bad juju for your opinion. 3. Listen to "Still got the Blues for you"... Makes you understand the Zero-Sec dilemma better. 4. Have a nice day! High-sec people don't band together, therefore high-sec people have no true figure to represent them. I'm all for keeping the pressure on them bears. Most will leave, but the ones who will stick around will band together and we will all feel their nerd rage. They might even bring some punishers and some kestrels to 0.1 sectors, imagine that.. nightmarish stuff i tell you.
Agree with that... Hard to unite. But not the idiots some make of them either. Not topic of this thread though. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
168
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Posted - 2011.10.17 00:55:00 -
[187] - Quote
Aidan Brooder wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:Hm, I already half-suspect Just Another Toon to be an The Mittani alt... Just the posting giving him a chance for many non-Goons to agree with him for a change. Anyway, lets play along... 1. Scamming and killing Ice Miners and griefing is ok in EVE for anyone. Get used to it. 2. If you want someone that doesn't represent the 0-Sec people only, vote differently next time AND make all the people that cannot be bothered to vote at all VOTE! No vote = bad juju for your opinion. 3. Listen to "Still got the Blues for you"... Makes you understand the Zero-Sec dilemma better. 4. Have a nice day! High-sec people don't band together, therefore high-sec people have no true figure to represent them. I'm all for keeping the pressure on them bears. Most will leave, but the ones who will stick around will band together and we will all feel their nerd rage. They might even bring some punishers and some kestrels to 0.1 sectors, imagine that.. nightmarish stuff i tell you. Agree with that... Hard to unite. But not the idiots some make of them either. Not topic of this thread though.
Sure of it. To me the idiots are those who dismiss something as "I don't like it" even before they smell it.
If all you ever had in your entire life was bread and water, the sight of pizza with hot tomato sauce and melting cheese spreading all around it with random slices of pepperoni will be a discusting thing to look at. Horror movie, grosse, stuff. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.10.17 00:56:00 -
[188] - Quote
I though of something, and I was like "I gotta post that".
The Mittani ain't playing EVE. He is playing something awful.
See what I did there ? Well, you know what it means. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
168
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Posted - 2011.10.17 00:56:00 -
[189] - Quote
Although on a second note you definatly shouldn't smell coke to find out if you will like it or not.. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Jovan Geldon
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
70
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Posted - 2011.10.17 00:56:00 -
[190] - Quote
I hope OP is a Goon alt, because I really don't want to believe that "You're volunteering your time and energy to make this game better, so clearly you shouldn't be allowed to play it how you want to" is a genuine opinion held by a real person |
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
168
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Posted - 2011.10.17 00:58:00 -
[191] - Quote
You should know that EVE isn't a one way money road for everyone ^^ Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:01:00 -
[192] - Quote
Jovan Geldon wrote:I hope OP is a Goon alt, because I really don't want to believe that "You're volunteering your time and energy to make this game better, so clearly you shouldn't be allowed to play it how you want to" is a genuine opinion held by a real person I enjoyed this post and I am usually to much of jerk to "like it" though.
But then I noticed you have 69 Likes. Since there is a chance that you belong to the 75% of men who would find that amusing I will express my honest enjoyment of your post whilst still making an attempt to ruin your day.
70 Likes
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Kimiko Tojima
Daughters of Hada
0
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:01:00 -
[193] - Quote
Jovan Geldon wrote:I hope OP is a Goon alt, because I really don't want to believe that "You're volunteering your time and energy to make this game better, so clearly you shouldn't be allowed to play it how you want to" is a genuine opinion held by a real person ...or OP is an Ankha..thing alt. That would explain a lot.
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Jovan Geldon
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
70
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:02:00 -
[194] - Quote
Alara IonStorm wrote:Jovan Geldon wrote:I hope OP is a Goon alt, because I really don't want to believe that "You're volunteering your time and energy to make this game better, so clearly you shouldn't be allowed to play it how you want to" is a genuine opinion held by a real person I enjoyed this post and I am usually to much of jerk to "like it" though. But then I noticed you have 69 Likes. Since there is a chance that you belong to the 75% of men who would find that amusing I will express my honest enjoyment of your post whilst still making an attempt to ruin your day. 70 Likes
God ******* damm it |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:03:00 -
[195] - Quote
Headerman wrote:Well just FYI, i got an extra large Latte with 2 sweeteners, and a Friand.
I would upload a pic of both if i had a usb cable for my fone :(
I got the coffee from a coffee shop that is a front for Scientologists, so apologies in advance for any bad postings that may result from some freely added hallucinagens
That's not the coffee shop on george street opposity the games paradise is it?
:ohdear: |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
428
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:04:00 -
[196] - Quote
Headerman wrote:Well just FYI, i got an extra large Latte with 2 sweeteners, and a Friand.
I would upload a pic of both if i had a usb cable for my fone :(
I got the coffee from a coffee shop that is a front for Scientologists, so apologies in advance for any bad postings that may result from some freely added hallucinagens Thought for the day while you drink that coffee..
Is The Mittani really Xenu? Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:07:00 -
[197] - Quote
The Apostle wrote: Thought for the day while you drink that coffee..
Is The Mittani really Xenu?
I thought that was Tippia. Tippia is always logical and asks questions.
2 things that makes her Scientology's greatest enemy.
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
168
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:10:00 -
[198] - Quote
I just drink colombian coffee.
Best coffee in the world i tell you. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Jovan Geldon
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
71
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:15:00 -
[199] - Quote
This thread is now about coffee |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:21:00 -
[200] - Quote
What was it about before Coffee?
Speaking of which I can not wake up w/o a XL Tim Hortons Double Double with Milk Double Cupped.
Canada's Crack. |
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Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
691
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:24:00 -
[201] - Quote
the hilarious thing about threads like this is that when it comes to the csm there is no such thing as bad publicity
we **** and murder half of eve, the other half hears about that and thinks "huh I've heard of that guy" and votes for us over the four hundred worthless no-name empire pubbies running on the 'down with goons' banner |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
691
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:28:00 -
[202] - Quote
seriously, the people who run for the csm are such worthless nobodies that you can't expect people to do anything but vote for the name they recognize
meanwhile, every worthless pubbie thinks they can ride 'down with goons' to victory only increasing the vote total of the goon reps while diffusing the highsec vote into nothing |
Jayem See
Drama Llamas
7
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:33:00 -
[203] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:seriously, the people who run for the csm are such worthless nobodies that you can't expect people to do anything but vote for the name they recognize
meanwhile, every worthless pubbie thinks they can ride 'down with goons' to victory only increasing the vote total of the goon reps while diffusing the highsec vote into nothing
In the meantime you continue to be REALLY boring...... |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
255
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:33:00 -
[204] - Quote
Yeah, the CSM sucks, kick all the bums out! CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog What does CSM 6 do? |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
691
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:35:00 -
[205] - Quote
Jayem See wrote:Weaselior wrote:seriously, the people who run for the csm are such worthless nobodies that you can't expect people to do anything but vote for the name they recognize
meanwhile, every worthless pubbie thinks they can ride 'down with goons' to victory only increasing the vote total of the goon reps while diffusing the highsec vote into nothing In the meantime you continue to be REALLY boring......
should i take advice on posting from a man with just over one hundredth of the forum posting power i possess
decisions, decisions |
Kengutsi Akira
40
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:38:00 -
[206] - Quote
Ive petitioned the ice interdiction cause the given reason for doing it not the goon bullshit PR) the actual thread he put up, was to maliciously destroy the market.
Working as intended in essence.
what exactly are they doing that is against the rules out of curiosity? Its funny, a lot of the ppl screaming that Mittani is the devil were saying "I voted Mittani cause either he'll get them to fix the game or burn it down around their ears"
you get what you vote for guys |
Jayem See
Drama Llamas
7
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:38:00 -
[207] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Jayem See wrote:Weaselior wrote:seriously, the people who run for the csm are such worthless nobodies that you can't expect people to do anything but vote for the name they recognize
meanwhile, every worthless pubbie thinks they can ride 'down with goons' to victory only increasing the vote total of the goon reps while diffusing the highsec vote into nothing In the meantime you continue to be REALLY boring...... should i take advice on posting from a man with just over one hundredth of the forum posting power i possess decisions, decisions
One of your amazing hundredth's is quite a bit considering the crusade you have been on. Replying fails to make you more interesting. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1018
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:41:00 -
[208] - Quote
Jayem See wrote:
One of your amazing hundredth's is quite a bit considering the crusade you have been on. Replying fails to make you more interesting.
sorry i couldn't hear you over all the likes weaselior and i have, were you trying to say something about posting?
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
428
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:44:00 -
[209] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:seriously, the people who run for the csm are such worthless nobodies that you can't expect people to do anything but vote for the name they recognize
meanwhile, every worthless pubbie thinks they can ride 'down with goons' to victory only increasing the vote total of the goon reps while diffusing the highsec vote into nothing More fool you. The highsec vote is already nothing. Always has been and anybody with half a brain knows why.
It's also well known that one of the commonest methods of vote diffusion/indifference is by belittling/berating anybody that disagrees with the "accepted norm"...
Unfortunately in Eve the "accepted norm" is a very obvious and polarised view vastly over represented by a minority.
So when any highseccer/carebear (who is in fact a majority player but represented as a minority) even DARES to question the status quo is nailed by that very minority and his view/s become allied against 'the norm" by default.
Me thinks there's only one person that knows EXACTLY how this works. Dare you to guess who that is?
Bah, that's way too deep for you man so just go back to killing Mackinaws and keep calling it "the norm". idgaf Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
38
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:45:00 -
[210] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Jayem See wrote:
One of your amazing hundredth's is quite a bit considering the crusade you have been on. Replying fails to make you more interesting.
sorry i couldn't hear you over all the likes weaselior and i have, were you trying to say something about posting?
+1 for The Mittani Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
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Jayem See
Drama Llamas
7
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:45:00 -
[211] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Jayem See wrote:
One of your amazing hundredth's is quite a bit considering the crusade you have been on. Replying fails to make you more interesting.
sorry i couldn't hear you over all the likes weaselior and i have, were you trying to say something about posting?
Ah it's all about "likes" - I knew I was doing this wrong.
Since when did "likes" matter........you seem to have lost your internet mind.
Used to be about Flying I.......EVE. |
Kengutsi Akira
40
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:47:00 -
[212] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Ive petitioned the ice interdiction cause the given reason for doing it not the goon bullshit PR) the actual thread he put up, was to maliciously destroy the market.
Working as intended in essence.
what exactly are they doing that is against the rules out of curiosity? Its funny, a lot of the ppl screaming that Mittani is the devil were saying "I voted Mittani cause either he'll get them to fix the game or burn it down around their ears"
you get what you vote for guys
this, guys the ppl that voted for the CSM so theyd "either burn it down or fix it" are the ppl you want to blame. Well them an pretty much all of DRF lol and all of the "high sec pubbies" that didnt care to vote
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Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises Tactical Narcotics Team
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:47:00 -
[213] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Jayem See wrote:
One of your amazing hundredth's is quite a bit considering the crusade you have been on. Replying fails to make you more interesting.
sorry i couldn't hear you over all the likes weaselior and i have, were you trying to say something about posting?
Jayem See, WoW -------> Maybe you will have better luck there
Just contract your stuff to me on your way out. |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
692
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:48:00 -
[214] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Ive petitioned the ice interdiction cause the given reason for doing it not the goon bullshit PR) the actual thread he put up, was to maliciously destroy the market.
Working as intended in essence.
what exactly are they doing that is against the rules out of curiosity? Its funny, a lot of the ppl screaming that Mittani is the devil were saying "I voted Mittani cause either he'll get them to fix the game or burn it down around their ears"
you get what you vote for guys this, guys the ppl that voted for the CSM so theyd "either burn it down or fix it" are the ppl you want to blame. Well them an pretty much all of DRF lol and all of the "high sec pubbies" that didnt care to vote
you're supposed to switch to an alt when agreeing with yourself |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
168
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:49:00 -
[215] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:Weaselior wrote:seriously, the people who run for the csm are such worthless nobodies that you can't expect people to do anything but vote for the name they recognize
meanwhile, every worthless pubbie thinks they can ride 'down with goons' to victory only increasing the vote total of the goon reps while diffusing the highsec vote into nothing More fool you. The highsec vote is already nothing. Always has been and anybody with half a brain knows why. It's also well known that one of the commonest methods of vote diffusion/indifference is by belittling/berating anybody that disagrees with the "accepted norm"... Unfortunately in Eve the "accepted norm" is a very obvious and polarised view vastly over represented by a minority. So when any highseccer/carebear (who is in fact a majority player but represented as a minority) even DARES to question the status quo is nailed by that very minority and his view/s become allied against 'the norm" by default. Me thinks there's only one person that knows EXACTLY how this works. Dare you to guess who that is? Bah, that's way too deep for you man so just go back to killing Mackinaws and keep calling it "the norm". idgaf
You.
How can you know that theres only one person who knows something, and not know about that something yourself? Therefore by your own statement that one is you!? Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Jayem See
Drama Llamas
7
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:49:00 -
[216] - Quote
Kyt Thrace wrote:The Mittani wrote:Jayem See wrote:
One of your amazing hundredth's is quite a bit considering the crusade you have been on. Replying fails to make you more interesting.
sorry i couldn't hear you over all the likes weaselior and i have, were you trying to say something about posting? Jayem See, WoW -------> Maybe you will have better luck there Just contract your stuff to me on your way out.
You seem quite cute. Can I keep you? |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
168
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:50:00 -
[217] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Ive petitioned the ice interdiction cause the given reason for doing it not the goon bullshit PR) the actual thread he put up, was to maliciously destroy the market.
Working as intended in essence.
what exactly are they doing that is against the rules out of curiosity? Its funny, a lot of the ppl screaming that Mittani is the devil were saying "I voted Mittani cause either he'll get them to fix the game or burn it down around their ears"
you get what you vote for guys this, guys the ppl that voted for the CSM so theyd "either burn it down or fix it" are the ppl you want to blame. Well them an pretty much all of DRF lol and all of the "high sec pubbies" that didnt care to vote you're supposed to switch to an alt when agreeing with yourself
Oh my god i think that was a fail post Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
428
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:51:00 -
[218] - Quote
Renan Ruivo wrote:The Apostle wrote:Weaselior wrote:seriously, the people who run for the csm are such worthless nobodies that you can't expect people to do anything but vote for the name they recognize
meanwhile, every worthless pubbie thinks they can ride 'down with goons' to victory only increasing the vote total of the goon reps while diffusing the highsec vote into nothing More fool you. The highsec vote is already nothing. Always has been and anybody with half a brain knows why. It's also well known that one of the commonest methods of vote diffusion/indifference is by belittling/berating anybody that disagrees with the "accepted norm"... Unfortunately in Eve the "accepted norm" is a very obvious and polarised view vastly over represented by a minority. So when any highseccer/carebear (who is in fact a majority player but represented as a minority) even DARES to question the status quo is nailed by that very minority and his view/s become allied against 'the norm" by default. Me thinks there's only one person that knows EXACTLY how this works. Dare you to guess who that is? Bah, that's way too deep for you man so just go back to killing Mackinaws and keep calling it "the norm". idgaf You. How can you know that theres only one person who knows something, and not know about that something yourself? Therefore by your own statement that one is you!? Yeah. I assumed you'd accept that "apart from me" was what I meant.... There's probably others too but they ain't come forward..... Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises Tactical Narcotics Team
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:53:00 -
[219] - Quote
Jayem See wrote:Kyt Thrace wrote:The Mittani wrote:Jayem See wrote:
One of your amazing hundredth's is quite a bit considering the crusade you have been on. Replying fails to make you more interesting.
sorry i couldn't hear you over all the likes weaselior and i have, were you trying to say something about posting? Jayem See, WoW -------> Maybe you will have better luck there Just contract your stuff to me on your way out. You seem quite cute. Can I keep you?
Yea come on out to Dekelin & lets meet, we can do it on neutral grounds in VFK-IV,
Just convo me when you get to the system. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
17
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Posted - 2011.10.17 02:29:00 -
[220] - Quote
What is this?? Are some of the Peasants awaking to the state of their serfdom under the oppression of their Feudal Lords??
Well to the OP I say "Welcome to the real world."
However, having preached for some years the truth of the economic slavery under which most of you peons exist (due entirely to your ignorance and indifference for the most part I might add) I must warn you that unless YOU DO SOMETHING TO UNITE THE WORKER'S OPPOSITION to said Overlords...
NOTHING WILL COME OF IT...
You are as they say "The sounding of brass cymbals in the wind.."
On the other hand organize, educate, motivate, and lead the proletariat masses to take up their hammers and scythes and...
SLIT THE THROATS OF THEIR MASTERS !
and maybe you will start something then... |
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Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2011.10.17 02:31:00 -
[221] - Quote
Akirei Scytale wrote:hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
:deep breath:
just a second, i've got the mittani on the phone. here, let me pass it to you.
:over speakers:
"hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!"
I'd rather have someone who knows what hes doing but disagrees with my opinions at the helm than some absolute moron with similar goals. anyone your average highsec pubbie would vote for would, in all likelihood, only understand a fraction of the game and have a tenacious at best grasp of it.
Quoted for perfectly cromulent use of the word tenacious. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
370
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Posted - 2011.10.17 02:34:00 -
[222] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:If any of you trust a politician, I don't know what to tell you. Try not to drown in a puddle of rain?
The luxury of my popularity is that I don't have to bother lying to my voters about who and what I am. You get exactly what you voted for: a manipulative sadist who makes no apologies for who or what he is. And that's the kind of leadership the CSM requires if it's to accomplish anything when dealing with CCP; already CSM6 has demonstrated that with its lengthy record of successes. I bet you're deretsun, all fluffy on the inside~ 84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
429
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Posted - 2011.10.17 02:36:00 -
[223] - Quote
Comrade Commizzar wrote:What is this?? Are some of the Peasants awaking to the state of their serfdom under the oppression of their Feudal Lords??
Well to the OP I say "Welcome to the real world."
However, having preached for some years the truth of the economic slavery under which most of you peons exist (due entirely to your ignorance and indifference for the most part I might add) I must warn you that unless YOU DO SOMETHING TO UNITE THE WORKER'S OPPOSITION to said Overlords...
NOTHING WILL COME OF IT...
You are as they say "The sounding of brass cymbals in the wind.."
On the other hand organize, educate, motivate, and lead the proletariat masses to take up their hammers and scythes and...
SLIT THE THROATS OF THEIR MASTERS !
and maybe you will start something then... Comrade Commisar, we have a small problem. The Mittani likens himself, in a fashion, to Stalin (while he quotes Karl Marx - which is quite disturbing).
In order for you to be as effective in the Rise of the Peasants, you too must also become Stalinesque....
But we need less pointless deaths. Not more. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2011.10.17 02:53:00 -
[224] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:
But we need less pointless deaths. Not more.
Well that's no fun.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Celery Man
Talocan Mining And Industrial Talocan United
2
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Posted - 2011.10.17 02:55:00 -
[225] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Scamming and Ganking are allowed. If you trust someone because of a Title you should stop doing that immediately.
Being an A$$hole is not grounds for removal from office, just ask any elected official anywhere at anytime. If you do not like him then ether find a real crime that is against the rules and provide evidence or wait till his term expires and vote him out next term.
YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT It is a problem when you hold a position of trust...they want to scam fine BUT THEY STEP DOWN FROM CSM - SIMPLE AS
YOU are missing the point.
I voted for the mittani and if he scammed me out of my fortune and burnt all that I owned in this game to dust, i would vote for him once again and with more passion than the first time. I want someone in charge of the CSM who understands the game better than me, and by your whole point of view its clear you really really REALLY do not understand this game.
Its Eve ffs... we came here to get away from players like you. |
Kengutsi Akira
40
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Posted - 2011.10.17 02:57:00 -
[226] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Ive petitioned the ice interdiction cause the given reason for doing it not the goon bullshit PR) the actual thread he put up, was to maliciously destroy the market.
Working as intended in essence.
what exactly are they doing that is against the rules out of curiosity? Its funny, a lot of the ppl screaming that Mittani is the devil were saying "I voted Mittani cause either he'll get them to fix the game or burn it down around their ears"
you get what you vote for guys this, guys the ppl that voted for the CSM so theyd "either burn it down or fix it" are the ppl you want to blame. Well them an pretty much all of DRF lol and all of the "high sec pubbies" that didnt care to vote you're supposed to switch to an alt when agreeing with yourself
I was reiterating a point... it got ignored by the qq around it lol
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non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
69
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Posted - 2011.10.17 02:59:00 -
[227] - Quote
Phew, While reading this thread, for a second there, I thought the CSM ran CCP and EVE. Like they were the ones in power. They are only advisers.
CCP really is dumb enough to not be able to tell when one of their advisers has a vested interest in a part of their world?
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Kengutsi Akira
40
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Posted - 2011.10.17 03:00:00 -
[228] - Quote
non judgement wrote:Phew, While reading this thread, for a second there, I thought the CSM ran CCP and EVE. Like they were the ones in power. They are only advisers.
CCP really is dumb enough to not be able to tell when one of their advisers has a vested interest in a part of their world?
apparently not.... they were all about "stay the course" an all till recently, that shows the intelligence we're working with |
non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
69
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Posted - 2011.10.17 03:04:00 -
[229] - Quote
One is an alliance leader of one of the biggest alliances in game having a vested interest. The other is development decisions.
There's a bit of a difference. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
429
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Posted - 2011.10.17 03:06:00 -
[230] - Quote
Celery Man wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Scamming and Ganking are allowed. If you trust someone because of a Title you should stop doing that immediately.
Being an A$$hole is not grounds for removal from office, just ask any elected official anywhere at anytime. If you do not like him then ether find a real crime that is against the rules and provide evidence or wait till his term expires and vote him out next term.
YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT It is a problem when you hold a position of trust...they want to scam fine BUT THEY STEP DOWN FROM CSM - SIMPLE AS YOU are missing the point. I voted for the mittani and if he scammed me out of my fortune and burnt all that I owned in this game to dust, i would vote for him once again and with more passion than the first time. I want someone in charge of the CSM who understands the game better than me, and by your whole point of view its clear you really really REALLY do not understand this game. Its Eve ffs... we came here to get away from players like you. You would?!
And what's with "we" came here - who do YOU represent? You mean "we" should think like you do? This merely proves that Darwinism in Eve is just a mere concept. Not a practise.
"I" came here to get away from players like "you" - I was told the Eve playerbase had a higher IQ than the average game!
Obviously not. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Sir Substance
Tactical Knightmare
59
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Posted - 2011.10.17 03:15:00 -
[231] - Quote
The Apostle wrote: You would?!
And what's with "we" came here - who do YOU represent? You mean "we" should think like you do? This merely proves that Darwinism in Eve is just a mere concept. Not a practise.
"I" came here to get away from players like "you" - I was told the Eve playerbase had a higher IQ than the average game!
Obviously not.
Darwinism doesn't exist in any setting controlled by sentient beings capable of manipulating their environment. In eve, people work to ruin each other. Thats very different from natural selection. Don't use words you don't understand around here, you'll get called out on it.
I voted for mittens, and I think he's doing a well enough job as a CSM member, which is why I voted for him in the first place. I don't have a problem with his in game machinations, its the right of any eve player to plot and scheme using any tools available to them. If he can use the CSM title to gain an in game advantage without breaking the terms of the CSM agreement, more power to him. |
ThisIsntMyMain
Republic University Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2011.10.17 03:20:00 -
[232] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:This thread pleases me.
I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.
That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.
Ah so you admit that you are representing 'Your constituency' as in goons and not the eve player base. What you put forward, is everything your constituents want. They represent all the is bad for eve, scamming, manipulation everything else. Tell me, how can you be the chair of the CSM (which is supposed to represent all players) when all you do is represent yourself and the needs of your alliance. Do what you like in game, but you should not be abusing your position, and should be removed.
Try for just one second to separate your in game activity from your real life.
In Game : You mine ice while the Mittani leads a bunch of chaotic trolls who murder, kill, steal and maim anyone they can for the lulz. You hate them and they hate you. Goons find this fun. You don't. We understand this.
Out Of game Alex G, who's online alter ego is The Mittani, sits on a player group that tries to influence the development of game rules to provide a better sandbox for us all to play in. Surprisingly, for such a Smug **** he actually does this quite well.
Alex doesn't seem to have a problem separating his CSM role from his In Game activities. You need to step back and see the difference as well.
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Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
112
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Posted - 2011.10.17 03:31:00 -
[233] - Quote
We should do away with elections and make Mittens Chairman For Life and let him pick the rest of the council each year. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
79
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Posted - 2011.10.17 03:36:00 -
[234] - Quote
Mortis vonShadow wrote:Well, you really are a waste of space, aren't you?
I'm not a Goon or a Goon alt, but I have to ask, have you ever read anything about The Mittani and what he does on the CSM for the overall gaming experience of EVE Online? I'll bet the answer is no, you have not. Because if you had, you would come to the realization that you don't know what you are saying.
First and foremost The Mittani is an "ingame" toon. His place on the CSM has nothing to do with it. How many GM's and Dev's that work for CCP are pirates and scammers/griefers? If you bother to look it up, you will see that quite a few of them are. Should they be fired for playing the game the way they like to play? Or should they just play the game all squeaky clean like?
Secondly, The Mittani's role on the CSM is one of the reasons we are having a huge revamp of the sov mechanics in nullsec, and with a play balance of the super capitals. He is also the voice of us hisec miners that have been screaming for years about the friggin' bots that are truelly ruining the game for us. He also leads the war on RMT's.
If you would bother to look up who the real Mittani is, you would find that he is a professional that works in a nations capital. He is not going to jeapordize his real life with some crap from a computer game.
Its not the Mittani that has an issue with blurring the lines between reality and EVE Online. No, it is you. You think that because there are people that play this game with dark intentions that somehow in real life they are bad people.
I feel sorry for people like you. You guys get on the forums and scream for CCP to help or to ban or change the game mechanics, but you all fail to realize, sometimes in games you will loose, as in life. Thats how a sandbox game is meant to be played.
My apologies for the almost total repost, but that says everything I wanted to write. Op and friends are badly mistaken if you think The Mittani's CSM responsibilities are in any way compromised. Like him or not, he has spearheaded a hell of a lot more positive things for Eve than you and all your friends combined.
'Nuff said.
The door is not real. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
429
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Posted - 2011.10.17 03:53:00 -
[235] - Quote
Sir Substance wrote:The Apostle wrote: You would?!
And what's with "we" came here - who do YOU represent? You mean "we" should think like you do? This merely proves that Darwinism in Eve is just a mere concept. Not a practise.
"I" came here to get away from players like "you" - I was told the Eve playerbase had a higher IQ than the average game!
Obviously not.
Darwinism doesn't exist in any setting controlled by sentient beings capable of manipulating their environment. In eve, people work to ruin each other. Thats very different from natural selection. Don't use words you don't understand around here, you'll get called out on it. I voted for mittens, and I think he's doing a well enough job as a CSM member, which is why I voted for him in the first place. I don't have a problem with his in game machinations, its the right of any eve player to plot and scheme using any tools available to them. If he can use the CSM title to gain an in game advantage without breaking the terms of the CSM agreement, more power to him. I suppose I am referring to the branch of Darwinism called "survival of the fittest". Poster I was referring to stated if he got scammed and burned to the ground he'd still vote for the doer of such evils Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
113
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Posted - 2011.10.17 04:02:00 -
[236] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:I suppose I am referring to the branch of Darwinism called "survival of the fittest" :cripes:
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Causalitii Eullon
C.A.S. Assisted Living
0
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Posted - 2011.10.17 04:02:00 -
[237] - Quote
Mortis vonShadow wrote:Well, you really are a waste of space, aren't you?
I'm not a Goon or a Goon alt, but I have to ask, have you ever read anything about The Mittani and what he does on the CSM for the overall gaming experience of EVE Online? I'll bet the answer is no, you have not. Because if you had, you would come to the realization that you don't know what you are saying.
First and foremost The Mittani is an "ingame" toon. His place on the CSM has nothing to do with it. How many GM's and Dev's that work for CCP are pirates and scammers/griefers? If you bother to look it up, you will see that quite a few of them are. Should they be fired for playing the game the way they like to play? Or should they just play the game all squeaky clean like?
Secondly, The Mittani's role on the CSM is one of the reasons we are having a huge revamp of the sov mechanics in nullsec, and with a play balance of the super capitals. He is also the voice of us hisec miners that have been screaming for years about the friggin' bots that are truelly ruining the game for us. He also leads the war on RMT's.
If you would bother to look up who the real Mittani is, you would find that he is a professional that works in a nations capital. He is not going to jeapordize his real life with some crap from a computer game.
Its not the Mittani that has an issue with blurring the lines between reality and EVE Online. No, it is you. You think that because there are people that play this game with dark intentions that somehow in real life they are bad people.
I feel sorry for people like you. You guys get on the forums and scream for CCP to help or to ban or change the game mechanics, but you all fail to realize, sometimes in games you will loose, as in life. Thats how a sandbox game is meant to be played.
Oh, if I've offended you in some small way. I don't care. If you want to take it out on me in game, I live in Parses. I will honor your 1v1 and bring any boat you like, I fly them all, except the capitals.
I would give you a hug, seeing as how you need one, but you smell funny. Get out of your mothers basement and take a shower.
Have a nice day.
I dislike goons for many different reasons that aren't really relevant atm but they play the sandbox mmo well and some people can't handle it. This is not wow. Please grow up or uninstall eve
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Kengutsi Akira
40
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Posted - 2011.10.17 04:02:00 -
[238] - Quote
non judgement wrote:One is an alliance leader of one of the biggest alliances in game having a vested interest. The other is development decisions.
There's a bit of a difference.
theyre stupid or they dont care. Which is worse?
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
87
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Posted - 2011.10.17 04:11:00 -
[239] - Quote
The mittani has my full support.
listen op... that is if you still read this thread nobody should have to explain to you that people elected to represent or liaison between the community and the company are typically PLAYERS of said game, and usually are high profile players.
now couple that with eve and you get
0/10 fail troll post is fail The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
116
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Posted - 2011.10.17 04:20:00 -
[240] - Quote
*double post* What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
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Kengutsi Akira
40
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Posted - 2011.10.17 04:30:00 -
[241] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote: Mittani seems to do a half-decent job for the CSM. I probably won't vote for him, mainly because he'll likely sweep again, so will save my votes for some other deserving candidate.
Well when you have what 72% of 0.0 conquerd and all those corps under your thumb, its not that hard TO get re-elected lol
What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
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Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2011.10.17 04:32:00 -
[242] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote: Mittani seems to do a half-decent job for the CSM. I probably won't vote for him, mainly because he'll likely sweep again, so will save my votes for some other deserving candidate.
Well when you have what 72% of 0.0 conquerd and all those corps under your thumb, its not that hard TO get re-elected lol It will be way more than 72% by the time the next election rolls around.
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
116
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Posted - 2011.10.17 04:34:00 -
[243] - Quote
Goddess Ishtar wrote:It will be way more than 72% by the time the next election rolls around. Hmm. So Goonswarm effort in 0.0 follows the election cycle? What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
6
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Posted - 2011.10.17 04:42:00 -
[244] - Quote
FFS people, hasn't Alex the attention ***** whored enough attention already? |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
18
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Posted - 2011.10.17 04:45:00 -
[245] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:What is this?? Are some of the Peasants awaking to the state of their serfdom under the oppression of their Feudal Lords??
Well to the OP I say "Welcome to the real world."
However, having preached for some years the truth of the economic slavery under which most of you peons exist (due entirely to your ignorance and indifference for the most part I might add) I must warn you that unless YOU DO SOMETHING TO UNITE THE WORKER'S OPPOSITION to said Overlords...
NOTHING WILL COME OF IT...
You are as they say "The sounding of brass cymbals in the wind.."
On the other hand organize, educate, motivate, and lead the proletariat masses to take up their hammers and scythes and...
SLIT THE THROATS OF THEIR MASTERS !
and maybe you will start something then... Comrade Commisar, we have a small problem. The Mittani likens himself, in a fashion, to Stalin (while he quotes Karl Marx - which is quite disturbing). In order for you to be as effective in the Rise of the Peasants, you too must also become Stalinesque.... But we need less pointless deaths. Not more.
Pointless??? Respectfully, Apostle, I must disagree... Until the Peasants of Eve rise up in HighSec and deny their ZeroSec Oppressors access to Jita and indeed all HighSec space by immediately gang-banging every Zero Alliance Main and Alt they encounter... there will be no change in Eve's economic order. The Peasants of HighSec have no ability to fight the Zero Oligarchs in Zero... in fact they will never be able to do so because the resources necessary to build the ships to even engage them IN ZERO are not available to HighSec peasants. Any Revolution in Eve will of necessity begin in the mining ranks and mission farms of HighSec. Like China, it will be the Agrarian Farmers and Proletarian Miners that lead the way... not substitutes of the Elite Oligarchies. Think more along the lines of Chairman Mao than Comrade Stalin. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
140
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Posted - 2011.10.17 04:55:00 -
[246] - Quote
Darius III wrote: I concur with OP. What Mittani has done, as chairman no less, clearly shows he doesnt take his position seriously and should be voted out. +1
This is rich coming from someone who didn't respect his CSM position enough to honor the NDA he signed when taking up said position.
(For those not in the know, cute little cuddly wuddly Darius III here was caught leaking CSM information to his friend Riverini for River's Eve news tabloid, EN24. He's also in the midst of a losing war against Goonswarm, and thus has a confirmed and rather obvious bias.)
This thread, and all the others like it, show the disgusting disparity between the fat afk botting pubbies that make up the backbone of highsec and the people in nullsec who actually enjoy the game enough to pay attention to it.
They didn't have a problem with Mittani and Goons as long as we were the dirty hippies "over there". The second we came to highsec to remind them they're in a sandbox pvp game, welp, OFF WITH HIS HEAD.
Pathetic. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
140
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Posted - 2011.10.17 04:59:00 -
[247] - Quote
non judgement wrote:Phew, While reading this thread, for a second there, I thought the CSM ran CCP and EVE. Like they were the ones in power. They are only advisers.
CCP really is dumb enough to not be able to tell when one of their advisers has a vested interest in a part of their world?
So you're saying the ideal CSM ... wouldn't have any interest in the game?
I know, lets hire the Final Fantasy 14 GM team for our CSM staff next time! They'll definitely not have any "vested interest" in the game.
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Malkuth Delapounti
Avant-Garde Monastery KRYSIS.
6
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Posted - 2011.10.17 05:01:00 -
[248] - Quote
In my opinion just cause he is a CSM does not mean he should not be able to play the game his way, or use his corp the way he wants.
Its his game too.
If the Devs thought he was abusing the system, then they would fix it. Since he really is not, then no more tears please. |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
177
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Posted - 2011.10.17 05:10:00 -
[249] - Quote
Soooo
I'm thinking Lexi Belle tonight.
Or should I go with some Stoya instead?
Opinions? |
Garreth Vlox
Invictus Industries Eternal Strife
4
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Posted - 2011.10.17 05:11:00 -
[250] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:1) its seems goons are stirring up lots of problems with eve.2) Firstly he ordered the killing of gallente ice miners 3) and now in C&P more scamming going on, 4) plus the added goon scamming as a whole.
5) Its total abuse of his CSM position, where people will trust him. I
1) same **** different day 2) since when is ganking against the rules 3) if you fall for a scam its because you're an idiot, goons=scam 4) see number 3^ 5) if you trust anyone in this game you deserve to be scammed out of whatever than can convince you to give them. regardless of title.
i also loved how you just added vile on at the end there, didn't mention any reason why, you just want him gone, makes your goon hate just a little more obvious than it already was, personally i'm not a huge fan of the way the goons operate, but it is funny as hell watching them **** people like you off. |
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
140
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Posted - 2011.10.17 05:19:00 -
[251] - Quote
I still don't quite understand how playing the game means he's abusing the trust he gets as a CSM?
For one, he wasn't even ganking those ships as "The Mittani", he had an alt doing it. So the name recognition isn't there. It's not like these random bots saw "Username: The Mittani" and went "User is SQL table "CSM_Delegates". Resuming ICE_Miner_Bot script."
Actually, let us go into that with a bit more detail.
People trust Mittani? If you asked the average ice miner out there who Mittani is, you know what they'd say?
Absolutely nothing, because they're botting and not actually at the keyboard.
Even if you found one of the 3 or 4 who actually aren't botting, they wouldn't have a clue who Mittani was. They know who Goonswarm is. Sorta. They know the cartoon caricature these pubbie crybabies are putting forth, anyway.
Apparently the AFK Botter faction will only be happy when the CSM is staffed by other people who don't like the game enough to actually play it, like them. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1029
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Posted - 2011.10.17 05:23:00 -
[252] - Quote
Xython wrote:I still don't quite understand how playing the game means he's abusing the trust he gets as a CSM?
For one, he wasn't even ganking those ships as "The Mittani", he had an alt doing it. So the name recognition isn't there. It's not like these random bots saw "Username: The Mittani" and went "User is SQL table "CSM_Delegates". Resuming ICE_Miner_Bot script."
Actually, let us go into that with a bit more detail.
People trust Mittani? If you asked the average ice miner out there who Mittani is, you know what they'd say?
Absolutely nothing, because they're botting and not actually at the keyboard.
Even if you found one of the 3 or 4 who actually aren't botting, they wouldn't have a clue who Mittani was. They know who Goonswarm is. Sorta. They know the cartoon caricature these pubbie crybabies are putting forth, anyway.
Apparently the AFK Botter faction will only be happy when the CSM is staffed by other people who don't like the game enough to actually play it, like them.
Actually, I used both Iraf and The Mittani to gank the **** out of ice miners, when the belts were full. I needed two pirates to gank every 7.5 minutes. Nowadays Gallente space is an abbatoir so one can only line up a gank every 20 minutes or so, so I haven't used Mittens in a while.
I may accidentally stray to Caldari space to knock out a full belt or two with both Iraf and Mittens, just for old times' sake. |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
280
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Posted - 2011.10.17 05:25:00 -
[253] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Soooo
I'm thinking Lexi Belle Tia Cyrus tonight.
Or should I go with some Stoya instead?
Opinions? There
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
429
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Posted - 2011.10.17 05:25:00 -
[254] - Quote
Xython wrote:Darius III wrote: I concur with OP. What Mittani has done, as chairman no less, clearly shows he doesnt take his position seriously and should be voted out. +1
This is rich coming from someone who didn't respect his CSM position enough to honor the NDA he signed when taking up said position. (For those not in the know, cute little cuddly wuddly Darius III here was caught leaking CSM information to his friend Riverini for River's Eve news tabloid, EN24. He's also in the midst of a losing war against Goonswarm, and thus has a confirmed and rather obvious bias.) This thread, and all the others like it, show the disgusting disparity between the fat afk botting pubbies that make up the backbone of highsec and the people in nullsec who actually enjoy the game enough to pay attention to it. They didn't have a problem with Mittani and Goons as long as we were the dirty hippies "over there". The second we came to highsec to remind them they're in a sandbox pvp game, welp, OFF WITH HIS HEAD. Pathetic. I think you'll find most people wanted done with Mittens (and the whole CSM for that matter) prior to "The Great Interdiction"....
The handling of "The Great NeX Debacle" and "The Jita Blockade" and the subsequent "Give Us the Credit" cry smacked of cheap and dirty politics. Fn hypocrites one and all.
This new round of "**** This Game For Everybody Who Doesn't Lick The Mittani's Bits" coming from "The G&&ns" is just more reason to send you and your buddies back into the proverbial cesspot you sprang from.
And please, forgive those players who are in desperate need of playing "The Game" the way THEY want, not the way YOU want... You are but a small percentage of the total population in Eve so I'll be ****** if you have the right to dictate my style of play or that of any others.
And don't you dare give me 'sandbox" this or "sandbox" that!
Everything The CSM, in particular The Mittani has done is try to CHANGE the sandbox because it's "Not Fair", "Unbalanced" etc....
The very changes being sought - and granted - gave rise to the very strength and wealth that The G)(ns now use to bash other players senseless in the name of "fun"...
We just need CCP to wake up to this self-justifying, bullying and flooding crap coming from the G^^ns. Ingame, on forums.... It's all over...
And it's getting really fn tiresome. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
19
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Posted - 2011.10.17 05:26:00 -
[255] - Quote
The Mittens is a Counter-Revolutionary... Pseudo-Socialist of Stalinist bent. If his own followers were aware of the massive resource thefts he has committed against his own they would execute him themselves out of hand.
He is, and the Goons are by being his co-conspiritors, ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE OF EVE and should be attacked as such at every opportunity. They have conspired at every level of the game to destroy the collective interests of the Proletariat of Eve and deny them their natural rights of access to ZeroSec. He has posed as a false "liberator" of the Community while all the time USING the goodwill and services of his misguided and brainwashed followers for purposes of his own private gain. In this he is guilty of the highest form of Theft, that of Willful Conversion of Labor and Time.
Any self respecting Pod Pilot of Eve who recognizes these facts can do nothing but hold the Mitanni in the highest contempt and cooperate with the other responsible members of the Eve Collective Community to bring him to Justice. |
Trainwreck McGee
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2011.10.17 05:31:00 -
[256] - Quote
I am killin an ice miner everytime someone QQ's about Goons
Seriously who ******* cares if Goons are killing ice bots and ice zombies? CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Trainwreck McGee
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2011.10.17 05:32:00 -
[257] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:Xython wrote:Darius III wrote: I concur with OP. What Mittani has done, as chairman no less, clearly shows he doesnt take his position seriously and should be voted out. +1
This is rich coming from someone who didn't respect his CSM position enough to honor the NDA he signed when taking up said position. (For those not in the know, cute little cuddly wuddly Darius III here was caught leaking CSM information to his friend Riverini for River's Eve news tabloid, EN24. He's also in the midst of a losing war against Goonswarm, and thus has a confirmed and rather obvious bias.) This thread, and all the others like it, show the disgusting disparity between the fat afk botting pubbies that make up the backbone of highsec and the people in nullsec who actually enjoy the game enough to pay attention to it. They didn't have a problem with Mittani and Goons as long as we were the dirty hippies "over there". The second we came to highsec to remind them they're in a sandbox pvp game, welp, OFF WITH HIS HEAD. Pathetic. I think you'll find most people wanted done with Mittens (and the whole CSM for that matter) prior to "The Great Interdiction".... The handling of "The Great NeX Debacle" and "The Jita Blockade" and the subsequent "Give Us the Credit" cry smacked of cheap and dirty politics. Fn hypocrites one and all. This new round of "**** This Game For Everybody Who Doesn't Lick The Mittani's Bits" coming from "The G&&ns" is just more reason to send you and your buddies back into the proverbial cesspot you sprang from. And please, forgive those players who are in desperate need of playing "The Game" the way THEY want, not the way YOU want... You are but a small percentage of the total population in Eve so I'll be ****** if you have the right to dictate my style of play or that of any others. And don't you dare give me 'sandbox" this or "sandbox" that! Everything The CSM, in particular The Mittani has done is try to CHANGE the sandbox because it's "Not Fair", "Unbalanced" etc.... The very changes being sought - and granted - gave rise to the very strength and wealth that The G)(ns now use to bash other players senseless in the name of "fun"... We just need CCP to wake up to this self-justifying, bullying and flooding crap coming from the G^^ns. Ingame, on forums.... It's all over... And it's getting really fn tiresome.
Seriously sandbox this AND sandbox that....seriously......no joke
CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1031
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Posted - 2011.10.17 05:34:00 -
[258] - Quote
Comrade Commizzar wrote:The Mittens is a Counter-Revolutionary... Pseudo-Socialist of Stalinist bent. If his own followers were aware of the massive resource thefts he has committed against his own they would execute him themselves out of hand.
He is, and the Goons are by being his co-conspiritors, ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE OF EVE and should be attacked as such at every opportunity. They have conspired at every level of the game to destroy the collective interests of the Proletariat of Eve and deny them their natural rights of access to ZeroSec. He has posed as a false "liberator" of the Community while all the time USING the goodwill and services of his misguided and brainwashed followers for purposes of his own private gain. In this he is guilty of the highest form of Theft, that of Willful Conversion of Labor and Time.
Any self respecting Pod Pilot of Eve who recognizes these facts can do nothing but hold the Mitanni in the highest contempt and cooperate with the other responsible members of the Eve Collective Community to bring him to Justice.
Pay no attention to this kulak and his revisionist line; the People's Soviets of Goonswarm have a free and open accounting of their finances, and our socialist science has brough about the closest realization of socialism ever seen in EVE.
What this false ideologue sees as 'oppression' is simply the free men and women of Goonswarm bringing about the inevitable permanent revolution to the calcified structures of hisec, a land of capitalists who care only for isk, seeking profit even at the expense of their fellow man. We seek to free them from their consumerist slumber through revolution, re-education, and dropping Brutixes on their barges over and over and over again.
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
177
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Posted - 2011.10.17 05:34:00 -
[259] - Quote
Grey Stormshadow wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:Soooo
I'm thinking Lexi Belle Tia Cyrus tonight.
Or should I go with some Stoya instead?
Opinions? There
She's cute but looks too much like Sarah Silverman for me to take her seriously :( |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
429
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Posted - 2011.10.17 05:38:00 -
[260] - Quote
Trainwreck McGee wrote:I am killin an ice miner everytime someone QQ's about Goons
Seriously who ******* cares if Goons are killing ice bots and ice zombies? The ice zombies care.
More to the point, why do YOU care if a player decides to be an ice zombie anyway? Wtf does that have to do with you?
You payin' his subs or what? Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
170
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Posted - 2011.10.17 05:40:00 -
[261] - Quote
Don't look now, but looks like the "remove mittani from CSM" thread is about to reach "AFK Cloaking" thread proportions.. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
88
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Posted - 2011.10.17 05:41:00 -
[262] - Quote
seriously though, this is what you get with a 8+ year old game with no fundamental limits to how powerful an individual or corp can get.
that's how it works, that's eve if you were here then and were still here now I'd bet you would be singing another tune, because you would be one of the power elite
oh, and... sandbox this and sandbox that The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
215
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Posted - 2011.10.17 05:42:00 -
[263] - Quote
I am so excited i am going for an afternoon coffee... flat white this time since the Latte this morning invoked all this goodness! [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img] |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
429
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Posted - 2011.10.17 05:47:00 -
[264] - Quote
Renan Ruivo wrote:Don't look now, but looks like the "remove mittani from CSM" thread is about to reach "AFK Cloaking" thread proportions.. These topics don't start and live by themselves. There is, from what I can see, a true sense of rage starting to be shown here and it needs to be recognised for what it is - and more importanly why.
Every topic comes back to the same conclusions. G&&ns are ******* the game, in whatever method, and people have had enough.
Even if you took some the kissGoon commentary into account (as serious commentary), CCP must surely see that the player base is starting to get a mite pissed off with it all.
They can allow the status quo at their peril I say....
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
19
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Posted - 2011.10.17 05:49:00 -
[265] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:The Mittens is a Counter-Revolutionary... Pseudo-Socialist of Stalinist bent. If his own followers were aware of the massive resource thefts he has committed against his own they would execute him themselves out of hand.
He is, and the Goons are by being his co-conspiritors, ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE OF EVE and should be attacked as such at every opportunity. They have conspired at every level of the game to destroy the collective interests of the Proletariat of Eve and deny them their natural rights of access to ZeroSec. He has posed as a false "liberator" of the Community while all the time USING the goodwill and services of his misguided and brainwashed followers for purposes of his own private gain. In this he is guilty of the highest form of Theft, that of Willful Conversion of Labor and Time.
Any self respecting Pod Pilot of Eve who recognizes these facts can do nothing but hold the Mitanni in the highest contempt and cooperate with the other responsible members of the Eve Collective Community to bring him to Justice. Pay no attention to this kulak and his revisionist line; the People's Soviets of Goonswarm have a free and open accounting of their finances, and our socialist science has brough about the closest realization of socialism ever seen in EVE. What this false ideologue sees as 'oppression' is simply the free men and women of Goonswarm bringing about the inevitable permanent revolution to the calcified structures of hisec, a land of capitalists who care only for isk, seeking profit even at the expense of their fellow man. We seek to free them from their consumerist slumber through revolution, re-education, and dropping Brutixes on their barges over and over and over again.
You are fooling nobody with your fake accounting Mittani and as more and more of the pilots of Eve realize the true nature of your treachery, you and your ilk will inevitably be purged from the scene. A cursor reading of the forums of late seems to indicate that your days of deceit will soon be over. Forward the Revolution ! |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
116
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Posted - 2011.10.17 05:53:00 -
[266] - Quote
Holy shizznat, people!
This Ice Miner Goonicide that's been happening ... it's been happening for a little over a week. Christ. That's not that long at all. You'd think from the bitching, it's been going on for months and months.
These are Goons we're talking about. They get bored of **** and move on. Easily.
If through some miracle, they can sustain this for even four weeks, then start bitching. But until then, gank back or something. Or get together and hire Pandemic Legion to attack Deklein, force them to return home.
--
If The Mittani was abusing his position, I'm sure he'd be sitting in the Douchebag Box alongside Darius III. What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
429
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Posted - 2011.10.17 05:55:00 -
[267] - Quote
Morganta wrote:seriously though, this is what you get with a 8+ year old game with no fundamental limits to how powerful an individual or corp can get.
that's how it works, that's eve if you were here then and were still here now I'd bet you would be singing another tune, because you would be one of the power elite
oh, and... sandbox this and sandbox that Yet another "this is Eve" commentary supporting the very people seeking to change the game while calling anyone else looking to change the status quo as a whiner, carebear, pubbie or whatever where it doesn't suit YOU.
What if I say let's make suicide ganking outlawed in highsec. Make it bannable even. Would it get support? Nope. "This is Eve man, It's a sandbox"....
It's all hypocritical BS. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
116
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Posted - 2011.10.17 05:59:00 -
[268] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:What if I say let's make suicide ganking outlawed in highsec. Make it bannable even. Would it get support? Nope. "This is Eve man, It's a sandbox".... Were you being facetious? Or do you actually support banning/eliminating suicide ganking from highsec?
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
L Salander
All Web Investigations
3
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:01:00 -
[269] - Quote
Who in their right mind unquestioningly trusts the CSM? |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
429
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:04:00 -
[270] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:The Apostle wrote:What if I say let's make suicide ganking outlawed in highsec. Make it bannable even. Would it get support? Nope. "This is Eve man, It's a sandbox".... Were you being facetious? Or do you actually support banning/eliminating suicide ganking from highsec? What does it matter? Until either CCP realises what's happening or a highseccer can get into the CSM, it's a "non-issue" accordingly.
But, there a few rumours about making Concord AI smarter. Can only be one reason for that..... Way overdue. There, I said it
And I'm not even a carebear... I just like seeing small guys get a fair crack of the whip. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:12:00 -
[271] - Quote
"What if I say let's make suicide ganking outlawed in highsec. Make it bannable even."
High sec will be such a yawnfest that all this would do is make the jump to low sec or 0.0 look even more horrifying to those without a corp backing / training them. Seriously, there are 4 yr old mission runners in high sec that think lowsec gates make your ship asplode.
"I just like seeing small guys get a fair crack of the whip."
That's an Australian idea derived from the British idea of fair play. Both lovely ideas from places where 'kick the weak' is the reality. Good real-life values would suck all the adventure out of eve.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
612
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:13:00 -
[272] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:The Apostle wrote:What if I say let's make suicide ganking outlawed in highsec. Make it bannable even. Would it get support? Nope. "This is Eve man, It's a sandbox".... Were you being facetious? Or do you actually support banning/eliminating suicide ganking from highsec? What does it matter? Until either CCP realises what's happening or a highseccer can get into the CSM, it's a "non-issue" accordingly. But, there a few rumours about making Concord AI smarter. Can only be one reason for that..... Way overdue. There, I said it And I'm not even a carebear... I just like seeing small guys get a fair crack of the whip.
You make it sound like this is anything to do with the CSM. The CSM has had nothing to do with the ice campaign.
Let's assume that the CSM had 3 "hi-sec" representatives; what would be different about the ice campaign? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
85
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:14:00 -
[273] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:The Apostle wrote:What if I say let's make suicide ganking outlawed in highsec. Make it bannable even. Would it get support? Nope. "This is Eve man, It's a sandbox".... Were you being facetious? Or do you actually support banning/eliminating suicide ganking from highsec? What does it matter? Until either CCP realises what's happening or a highseccer can get into the CSM, it's a "non-issue" accordingly. But, there a few rumours about making Concord AI smarter. Can only be one reason for that..... Way overdue. There, I said it And I'm not even a carebear... I just like seeing small guys get a fair crack of the whip.
Because it started to sound vaguely hypocritical?
It is already an non-issue as it is still game mechanics within the sandbox, even if a player staying in hi-sec would get a seat on the CSM, the individual would be up against some pretty vocal voices about it.
GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/ |
Cyaxares II
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:15:00 -
[274] - Quote
Comrade Commizzar wrote:The Mittens is a Counter-Revolutionary... Pseudo-Socialist of Stalinist bent. If his own followers were aware of the massive resource thefts he has committed against his own they would execute him themselves out of hand. Trotskist detected. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
20
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:18:00 -
[275] - Quote
Cyaxares II wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:The Mittens is a Counter-Revolutionary... Pseudo-Socialist of Stalinist bent. If his own followers were aware of the massive resource thefts he has committed against his own they would execute him themselves out of hand. Trotskist detected.
Maoist actually. ; ) |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
216
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:18:00 -
[276] - Quote
Hey if Goonies can help push the notion that an alternative to ice mining is needed, i am all for it.
Personally if it was done in PI, then it would be better. [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img] |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
429
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:22:00 -
[277] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:The Apostle wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:The Apostle wrote:What if I say let's make suicide ganking outlawed in highsec. Make it bannable even. Would it get support? Nope. "This is Eve man, It's a sandbox".... Were you being facetious? Or do you actually support banning/eliminating suicide ganking from highsec? What does it matter? Until either CCP realises what's happening or a highseccer can get into the CSM, it's a "non-issue" accordingly. But, there a few rumours about making Concord AI smarter. Can only be one reason for that..... Way overdue. There, I said it And I'm not even a carebear... I just like seeing small guys get a fair crack of the whip. You make it sound like this is anything to do with the CSM. The CSM has had nothing to do with the ice campaign. Let's assume that the CSM had 3 "hi-sec" representatives; what would be different about the ice campaign? What if, just what if, the CSM were highly represented by highseccers? You think the rules on ganking would remain the same?
Really?
Half the justification for highsec ganking is idealogical BS.... Take out cheap targets and half the wannabe warriors would have to actually fight to get a kill. Can't have that 'ey?
Cowards all. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
80
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:22:00 -
[278] - Quote
Eve cannot exist without Chaos, you have to at least admit to that, Apostle ? All personal feelings aside, what the Goons are doing is causing chaos. Without chaos, anything, any system will stagnate.
Look at what this chaos is causing :
- It has raised awereness among players regarding the dangers in Eve. This in turn is slowly (perhaps too slowly) creating a backlash by Highsec players in the form of plans to counteract the suicide ganking.
- It has made what should be a difficult to obtain resource a bit more dangerous to harvest. This has forced some miners to hire help. This in itself is a very good stimulation of game dynamics.
- People who would otherwise not post in these forums are suddenly becoming more aware of the events taking place ingame and they too are becoming more active in these forums. Another good thing to happen to Eve.
- The question of ship insurance and the way it currently works has been aired once again. I'm confident that CCP will do something to fix this, although I would be against any changes to Concord itself. I am for the concept of suicide gank = no ship insurance. It will not prevent suicide ganking, but it will cause such players to pause briefly and think a little harder on what loses they can sustain.
- It has made many players much more aware (me included), of the politics and the dynamic forces in this game. There are the obvious camps of "I like" and "I do not like" and the glaring hatred by some of Goonswarm. How can this not be a good thing ? It has certainly made me more alert to my surroundings.
- There is a constant effort by the same group of people to trash-talk the members of the CSM, The Mittani in particular. Can you not look beyond your personal beliefs and feelings and look at the facts ? Eve would be a poorer place if The Mittani and the rest of the CSM did not protest to CCP the recent Incarna fiasco. Consider they are bound by the NDA and are (and where) chomping at the bit to get information out of CCP in a timeous fashion.
I can think of several more good points and very few bad points, but that puts me in danger of making this wall of text even bigger.
Needless to say, keep up your complaints, for or against. It is what makes Eve the fascinating game it is.
To The Mittani in particular - the chairman of the CSM
You know there are other areas of space in Eve which require attention in the same manner Highsec has been receiving your love. Don't be biased to just Highsec Empire space. Just take one look at the Sov map, you know what I'm speaking of. This current campaign is a tiny drop in the ocean of Space - there are far bigger fish to fry and I suspect that is your endgame. This campaign is the first domino in your grand plan. Will you be posting the particulars for that, or do you deem it a secret to keep your real enemies in the dark ?
Peace out.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:22:00 -
[279] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:Every topic comes back to the same conclusions. G&&ns are ******* the game, in whatever method, and people have had enough. There are way more people cheering us on than there are calling for us to be banned. We do it for the fans.
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Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:24:00 -
[280] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:What if, just what if, the CSM were highly represented by highseccers? You think the rules on ganking would remain the same? Haha you think the CSM makes the rules
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
612
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:28:00 -
[281] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:Malcanis wrote:The Apostle wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:The Apostle wrote:What if I say let's make suicide ganking outlawed in highsec. Make it bannable even. Would it get support? Nope. "This is Eve man, It's a sandbox".... Were you being facetious? Or do you actually support banning/eliminating suicide ganking from highsec? What does it matter? Until either CCP realises what's happening or a highseccer can get into the CSM, it's a "non-issue" accordingly. But, there a few rumours about making Concord AI smarter. Can only be one reason for that..... Way overdue. There, I said it And I'm not even a carebear... I just like seeing small guys get a fair crack of the whip. You make it sound like this is anything to do with the CSM. The CSM has had nothing to do with the ice campaign. Let's assume that the CSM had 3 "hi-sec" representatives; what would be different about the ice campaign? What if, just what if, the CSM were highly represented by highseccers? You think the rules on ganking would remain the same? Really? Half the justification for highsec ganking is idealogical BS.... Take out cheap targets and half the wannabe warriors would have to actually fight to get a kill. Can't have that 'ey? Cowards all.
So what, specifically, do you think would be different?
To throw in a little example, even with "0.0" CSMs, there is a vast list of desperately desired changes to 0.0 that we haven't even seen a 'SoonGäó' for. What hope would a minority group of delegates have of forcing through such an obviously self-interested change when CCP could just ask
"OK so one group of EVE players is fighting another group of EVE players, why should we see this as a problem?"
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
429
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:29:00 -
[282] - Quote
Chopper Rollins wrote:"What if I say let's make suicide ganking outlawed in highsec. Make it bannable even."
High sec will be such a yawnfest that all this would do is make the jump to low sec or 0.0 look even more horrifying to those without a corp backing / training them. Seriously, there are 4 yr old mission runners in high sec that think lowsec gates make your ship asplode. And what of it? There are thousands of targets in low/wh and 0.0 for all the PvP ever wanted.
Quote:Quote: "I just like seeing small guys get a fair crack of the whip." That's an Australian idea derived from the British idea of fair play. Both lovely ideas from places where 'kick the weak' is the reality. Good real-life values would suck all the adventure out of eve. Not really mate. My $15 a month is as good as your $15 a month. All I'm saying is give Lil' Jack Horner a corner and let the rest of Eve have the whole universe.
If Jack wants to get greedy and leave his corner for extra custard, that's his problem then.
Make low and 0.0 more attractive, make high safe (but with less isk potential) and people will leave in droves to get rich ELSEWHERE.
Even Ned Kelly didn't live in Melbourne. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
159
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:30:00 -
[283] - Quote
Chopper Rollins wrote: Quoted for perfectly cromulent use of the word tenacious.
I was thinking tenebroso and my brain went fzzt translating. tenebroso is spanish for dark, hazy, unclear, etc. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
429
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:31:00 -
[284] - Quote
Goddess Ishtar wrote:The Apostle wrote:What if, just what if, the CSM were highly represented by highseccers? You think the rules on ganking would remain the same? Haha you think the CSM makes the rules lol. Funnily enough, nope. But there is such a thing as lobbying.
Let's not forget though G%%n, the CSM sure rushed in to take the credit when the "the rules" got changed.
How soon we forget. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
429
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:32:00 -
[285] - Quote
Goddess Ishtar wrote:The Apostle wrote:Every topic comes back to the same conclusions. G&&ns are ******* the game, in whatever method, and people have had enough. There are way more people cheering us on than there are calling for us to be banned. We do it for the fans. Actually I think you'll find there's far more people who dgaf.
That can be changed. You guys just make it easier. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
117
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:33:00 -
[286] - Quote
Thorn Galen wrote:Look at what this chaos is causing :
- It has raised awereness among players regarding the dangers in Eve. This in turn is slowly (perhaps too slowly) creating a backlash by Highsec players in the form of plans to counteract the suicide ganking.
- It has made what should be a difficult to obtain resource a bit more dangerous to harvest. This has forced some miners to hire help. This in itself is a very good stimulation of game dynamics.
- People who would otherwise not post in these forums are suddenly becoming more aware of the events taking place ingame and they too are becoming more active in these forums. Another good thing to happen to Eve.
- The question of ship insurance and the way it currently works has been aired once again. I'm confident that CCP will do something to fix this, although I would be against any changes to Concord itself. I am for the concept of suicide gank = no ship insurance. It will not prevent suicide ganking, but it will cause such players to pause briefly and think a little harder on what loses they can sustain.
- It has made many players much more aware (me included), of the politics and the dynamic forces in this game. There are the obvious camps of "I like" and "I do not like" and the glaring hatred by some of Goonswarm. How can this not be a good thing ? It has certainly made me more alert to my surroundings.
- There is a constant effort by the same group of people to trash-talk the members of the CSM, The Mittani in particular. Can you not look beyond your personal beliefs and feelings and look at the facts ? Eve would be a poorer place if The Mittani and the rest of the CSM did not protest to CCP the recent Incarna fiasco. Consider they are bound by the NDA and are (and where) chomping at the bit to get information out of CCP in a timeous fashion.
Excellent summation. I just wrote "chaos is good" somewhere ... but this actually spells out all the reasons why chaos is good for EVE.
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:38:00 -
[287] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:Look at what this chaos is causing :
- It has raised awereness among players regarding the dangers in Eve. This in turn is slowly (perhaps too slowly) creating a backlash by Highsec players in the form of plans to counteract the suicide ganking.
- It has made what should be a difficult to obtain resource a bit more dangerous to harvest. This has forced some miners to hire help. This in itself is a very good stimulation of game dynamics.
- People who would otherwise not post in these forums are suddenly becoming more aware of the events taking place ingame and they too are becoming more active in these forums. Another good thing to happen to Eve.
- The question of ship insurance and the way it currently works has been aired once again. I'm confident that CCP will do something to fix this, although I would be against any changes to Concord itself. I am for the concept of suicide gank = no ship insurance. It will not prevent suicide ganking, but it will cause such players to pause briefly and think a little harder on what loses they can sustain.
- It has made many players much more aware (me included), of the politics and the dynamic forces in this game. There are the obvious camps of "I like" and "I do not like" and the glaring hatred by some of Goonswarm. How can this not be a good thing ? It has certainly made me more alert to my surroundings.
- There is a constant effort by the same group of people to trash-talk the members of the CSM, The Mittani in particular. Can you not look beyond your personal beliefs and feelings and look at the facts ? Eve would be a poorer place if The Mittani and the rest of the CSM did not protest to CCP the recent Incarna fiasco. Consider they are bound by the NDA and are (and where) chomping at the bit to get information out of CCP in a timeous fashion.
Excellent summation. I just wrote "chaos is good" somewhere ... but this actually spells out all the reasons why chaos is good for EVE.
That is a terrible excuse. I guess thats what all the dictators, who have poured misery amongst its own people say....its was to help you....yeah right... |
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:38:00 -
[288] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:Even Ned Kelly didn't live in Melbourne.
As a proud Australia, I must humbly ask WTF does this even mean. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
430
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:40:00 -
[289] - Quote
Malcanis wrote: "OK so one group of EVE players is fighting another group of EVE players, why should we see this as a problem?"
Fight? Where?
Oh... Sorry. You mean the massive highly funded 0.0 alliances bashing individual players senseless and using "bots" and "economics" as justification?
Sorry. Yes. That "fight". My bad.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
170
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:40:00 -
[290] - Quote
I was just sucking on a stainless steel nail and i nearly swallowed it by accident.
So don't suck on stainless steel ails. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
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Steelshine
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:42:00 -
[291] - Quote
The first mistake was assuming politicians are honor bound to be trustworthy. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
430
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:44:00 -
[292] - Quote
Masamune Dekoro wrote:The Apostle wrote:Even Ned Kelly didn't live in Melbourne. As a proud Australia, I must humbly ask WTF does this even mean. Ned Kelly. An Australian "hero" by history but an outlaw in life.
He didn't go to the capital of Victoria to get his thrills (analogy highsec).
He did it in "the badlands" of the goldfields (analogy 0.0).
A real fighter... Not some dimwit standing on the street shooting his mouth off with 100 mates to back him up (analogy G&&ns).
Did that help Aussie?
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
117
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:44:00 -
[293] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:That is a terrible excuse. I guess thats what all the dictators, who have poured misery amongst its own people say....its was to help you....yeah right... WHAT?!? Are you quoting from the Book of Crazy, again?
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
612
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:45:00 -
[294] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:Malcanis wrote: "OK so one group of EVE players is fighting another group of EVE players, why should we see this as a problem?"
Fight? Where? Oh... Sorry. You mean the massive highly funded 0.0 alliances bashing individual players senseless and using "bots" and "economics" as justification? Sorry. Yes. That "fight". My bad.
Yeah, sounds pretty much like the majority of 0.0 campaigns, tbh.
So again where's the problem. You're in a boat, I want to violence it; I stay within the rules of the game and you make no effectual response. Where do the CSM come into this gap between my competence and your lack of it? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:47:00 -
[295] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:Malcanis wrote: "OK so one group of EVE players is fighting another group of EVE players, why should we see this as a problem?"
Fight? Where? Oh... Sorry. You mean the massive highly funded 0.0 alliances bashing individual players senseless and using "bots" and "economics" as justification? Sorry. Yes. That "fight". My bad. Other than posting about it (often and badly) what are you doing to protect the poor indy players?
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:49:00 -
[296] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:The Apostle wrote:Malcanis wrote: "OK so one group of EVE players is fighting another group of EVE players, why should we see this as a problem?"
Fight? Where? Oh... Sorry. You mean the massive highly funded 0.0 alliances bashing individual players senseless and using "bots" and "economics" as justification? Sorry. Yes. That "fight". My bad. Yeah, sounds pretty much like the majority of 0.0 campaigns, tbh. So again where's the problem. You're in a boat, I want to violence it; I stay within the rules of the game and you make no effectual response. Where do the CSM come into this gap between my competence and your lack of it?
You seem to be completely missing the point..As always Malcanis.. The issue isnt wth the scamming or attacking whatever, its about players seeing these people as people they can trust! But they use this position of trust to abuse the game, such as scamming. If a person contacts a CSM about anything in game, most players would expect to be treat with honesty.
Then they get scammed, how can that be good for the game, and what the CSM represents? Seriously |
Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:51:00 -
[297] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote: Then they get scammed, how can that be good for the game, and what the CSM represents? Seriously
Did you hear back on your petition yet or are the GMs still passing it around and laughing at you? |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
22
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:52:00 -
[298] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Malcanis wrote:The Apostle wrote:Malcanis wrote: "OK so one group of EVE players is fighting another group of EVE players, why should we see this as a problem?"
Fight? Where? Oh... Sorry. You mean the massive highly funded 0.0 alliances bashing individual players senseless and using "bots" and "economics" as justification? Sorry. Yes. That "fight". My bad. Yeah, sounds pretty much like the majority of 0.0 campaigns, tbh. So again where's the problem. You're in a boat, I want to violence it; I stay within the rules of the game and you make no effectual response. Where do the CSM come into this gap between my competence and your lack of it? You seem to be completely missing the point..As always Malcanis.. The issue isnt wth the scamming or attacking whatever, its about players seeing these people as people they can trust! But they use this position of trust to abuse the game, such as scamming. If a person contacts a CSM about anything in game, most players would expect to be treat with honesty. Then they get scammed, how can that be good for the game, and what the CSM represents? Seriously
Well they'd seriously get the point of EVE I think. Not to mention, last time I checked, scamming wasn't 'abusing the game' at all. In related news, I can remove him from the CSM for the low, low fee of 500M. Please send ISK with reason "remove ebil goon".
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EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
157
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:54:00 -
[299] - Quote
goon |
Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security
12
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:55:00 -
[300] - Quote
lol.. "The goons forumposter brigade" is strong in here.. I vote for only one CSM pr aliance.... for starters. Mittens.... you are NOT getting my vote |
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Dalmont Delantee
Shiloh Technologies STR8NGE BREW
10
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:56:00 -
[301] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:The problem i have with Mittani as the head of the CSM is that he is a high-profile alliance leader, and i doubt that he would agree with changes for the sake of balance, if said changes were to somehow interfere with his own alliance, or disagree with changes that would affect his enemies more than it would his own ally. He cannot have an impartial opinion on most subjects he deals with as a CSM member.
But unfortunatly that is in the nature of the CSM election. Besides being chairman doesnt mean he gets the final word, only that he gets to pass it on. This CSM has some very good members, like seleene and white tree, and i trust their judgement. This is foolish and uninformed. Goonswarm has one of the largest supercap fleets in the game, as well as some of the largest technetium holdings. I've vehemently advocated for nerfing both, loudly and in public. You're welcome to spew your tinfoil theories though. But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.
It's just hulkageddon for goon, and everyone had fair warning. Jesus the attacking ice miners stuff is want eve is about, emergent gameplay.
Seriously mate, learn to accept eve is about loosing stuff and trying to gain from other people. I'm against scamming but don't atop people from doing it, just shows how sad they are in rl, but its a game play style. I also hate goons term of pubbies as they are degenerating someone else's game play style. If they cant take the abuse on their own style they shouldn't give it. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
430
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:57:00 -
[302] - Quote
Goddess Ishtar wrote:The Apostle wrote:Malcanis wrote: "OK so one group of EVE players is fighting another group of EVE players, why should we see this as a problem?"
Fight? Where? Oh... Sorry. You mean the massive highly funded 0.0 alliances bashing individual players senseless and using "bots" and "economics" as justification? Sorry. Yes. That "fight". My bad. Other than posting about it (often and badly) what are you doing to protect the poor indy players? There are many ways G##n. But 'cos you guys are mostly all mouth and no brains ya wouldn't understand even if it came up and bit ya on the ass. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
22
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:01:00 -
[303] - Quote
The classic "you wouldn't understand what I'm doing anyway" defense. Does it involve forum whining? Oh please? |
Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
24
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:01:00 -
[304] - Quote
This thread is full of concentrated stupid. Scamming and herfing are parts of Eve. They've been parts of Eve forever. I am absolutely, positively, 100% in support of a CSM member representing this facet of the Eve experience. Eve dies when these things become anathema. |
Anela Cistine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:02:00 -
[305] - Quote
Dalmont Delantee wrote: I also hate goons term of pubbies as they are degenerating someone else's game play style. If they cant take the abuse on their own style they shouldn't give it.
Pubbie doesn't mean . . . whatever you think it means. It has nothing to do with game play style. Pubbie is derived from public, as in "public recruiting corporation" or "member of the general public". All it really means is "not a goon" and therefore it is not an insult at all, unless you're embarrassed by not being a goon.
Then again, I'm a goon so I'm probably lying about that, and it actually has something to do with pubes. Dirty, smelly pubes. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
85
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:03:00 -
[306] - Quote
Vaffel Junior wrote:
Mittens.... you are NOT getting my vote
He is already in, numbnut.
GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/ |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
141
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:03:00 -
[307] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:Trainwreck McGee wrote:I am killin an ice miner everytime someone QQ's about Goons
Seriously who ******* cares if Goons are killing ice bots and ice zombies? The ice zombies care. More to the point, why do YOU care if a player decides to be an ice zombie anyway? Wtf does that have to do with you? You payin' his subs or what?
No, but his flooding the market with "free" isk and oxytopes is ruining the goddamned game.
It screws up the economy, it screws up the player/ccp interaction (see also: l4 mission buff), it skews the game closer and closer towards a game that you play while AFK as opposed to an actual fun one.
Remember people, these botters do not actually like EVE. If they liked EVE, they'd play it. Instead, they found a way to "play" the game without actually having to play. They are the enemy and should be treated as such by all upstanding and honorable Capsuleers.
Think about this: If we Goons had been destroying those pathetic ice bots for the past 2 years, maybe, just maybe, CCP would have revamped mining so that it requires a little bit of interaction and made it more dynamic. And then maybe, juuuuuuuust maybe, people wouldn't be so soul crushingly bored when mining that they resort to botting it out instead.
I'm an old, OLD Asheron's Call vet. I've seen what accepted unattended macroing does to a game, and if you had any common sense, you would be out there podding ice bots too.
Do your part to save EVE: Kill a botter today! |
Botleten
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
86
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:04:00 -
[308] - Quote
Jesus this terrible thread is still going?
The Apostle, you have a very unhealthy obsession with us goons. You find a way to poke your head into every thread relating to us, and even try to hijack other threads to make them about us. You must be stalking Mittens by now. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
141
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 07:06:00 -
[309] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:The classic "you wouldn't understand what I'm doing anyway" defense. Does it involve forum whining? Oh please?
I think the hilarious thing is the Apostle has like 430 likes and literally all he posts is "WAAAAAAAH MITTANI IS A BIG FAT STUPIDHEAD MEANIE!!!"
(Granted, he mixes it up a bit now and then. Sometimes he whines about Goons being mean in general.) |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
85
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:07:00 -
[310] - Quote
Botleten wrote:Jesus this terrible thread is still going?
The Apostle, you have a very unhealthy obsession with us goons. You find a way to poke your head into every thread relating to us, and even try to hijack other threads to make them about us. You must be stalking Mittens by now.
I know, right? One would think The Apostle has a crush on Mittens.
GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/ |
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Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security
12
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:07:00 -
[311] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Vaffel Junior wrote:
Mittens.... you are NOT getting my vote
He is already in, numbnut.
So... hes CSM for life ?
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
142
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:08:00 -
[312] - Quote
Vaffel Junior wrote:Alpheias wrote:Vaffel Junior wrote:
Mittens.... you are NOT getting my vote
He is already in, numbnut. So... hes CSM for life ?
He's *my* CSM for life. <3 <3 <3 |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
325
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:10:00 -
[313] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Malcanis wrote:The Apostle wrote:Malcanis wrote: "OK so one group of EVE players is fighting another group of EVE players, why should we see this as a problem?"
Fight? Where? Oh... Sorry. You mean the massive highly funded 0.0 alliances bashing individual players senseless and using "bots" and "economics" as justification? Sorry. Yes. That "fight". My bad. Yeah, sounds pretty much like the majority of 0.0 campaigns, tbh. So again where's the problem. You're in a boat, I want to violence it; I stay within the rules of the game and you make no effectual response. Where do the CSM come into this gap between my competence and your lack of it? You seem to be completely missing the point..As always Malcanis.. The issue isnt wth the scamming or attacking whatever, its about players seeing these people as people they can trust! But they use this position of trust to abuse the game, such as scamming. If a person contacts a CSM about anything in game, most players would expect to be treat with honesty. Then they get scammed, how can that be good for the game, and what the CSM represents? Seriously
You seem to be confusing one role we play (CSM representative) for the other role we play (Player, playing a game.). Maybe this is why you're so upset?
Oh no, you aren't suggesting that we need to model our playing style to fit your preconceived notions just because we sit on an elected CCP advisory board? I assume you aren't cause that would be kinda dumb don't you think?
If you approach Mittani about buying a non existant supercap and get scammed then good for him, you're dumb. That has nothing to do with the CSM and your lack of critical thinking skills got you where you are today. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:16:00 -
[314] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Malcanis wrote:The Apostle wrote:Malcanis wrote: "OK so one group of EVE players is fighting another group of EVE players, why should we see this as a problem?"
Fight? Where? Oh... Sorry. You mean the massive highly funded 0.0 alliances bashing individual players senseless and using "bots" and "economics" as justification? Sorry. Yes. That "fight". My bad. Yeah, sounds pretty much like the majority of 0.0 campaigns, tbh. So again where's the problem. You're in a boat, I want to violence it; I stay within the rules of the game and you make no effectual response. Where do the CSM come into this gap between my competence and your lack of it? You seem to be completely missing the point..As always Malcanis.. The issue isnt wth the scamming or attacking whatever, its about players seeing these people as people they can trust! But they use this position of trust to abuse the game, such as scamming. If a person contacts a CSM about anything in game, most players would expect to be treat with honesty. Then they get scammed, how can that be good for the game, and what the CSM represents? Seriously You seem to be confusing one role we play (CSM representative) for the other role we play (Player, playing a game.). Maybe this is why you're so upset? Oh no, you aren't suggesting that we need to model our playing style to fit your preconceived notions just because we sit on an elected CCP advisory board? I assume you aren't cause that would be kinda dumb don't you think? If you approach Mittani about buying a non existant supercap and get scammed then good for him, you're dumb. That has nothing to do with the CSM and your lack of critical thinking skills got you where you are today.
This is why you should be removed.. Your core fundamentals are wrong and you are not fit to serve any of the eve playerbase. Your represent everything that is bad about eve. Everything! You are in a position of TRUST!! You are not worthy or fit to hold that postition. You gain your position by manipulation. This is corruption to the core. |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
212
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:16:00 -
[315] - Quote
I guarantee the OP one thing.. if he were to physically drag Mittens into Hilmar's office and lay out his grievances and charges of scamming and ganking, Hilmar would look at Mittens, laugh, and throw the OP out of the building.
Mittens, and the CSM, don't make the game. They just play it. |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
212
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:17:00 -
[316] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:This is why you should be removed.. Your core fundamentals are wrong and you are not fit to serve any of the eve playerbase. Your represent everything that is bad about eve. Everything!
So vote him out. Simple. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:18:00 -
[317] - Quote
Feligast wrote:I guarantee the OP one thing.. if he were to physically drag Mittens into Hilmar's office and lay out his grievances and charges of scamming and ganking, Hilmar would look at Mittens, laugh, and throw the OP out of the building.
Mittens, and the CSM, don't make the game. They just play it.
Well maybe hilmar should step down as CEO as well then... |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
67
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 07:19:00 -
[318] - Quote
Feligast wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:This is why you should be removed.. Your core fundamentals are wrong and you are not fit to serve any of the eve playerbase. Your represent everything that is bad about eve. Everything!
So vote him out. Simple.
yeah im sure your 2000+ 4000 alts will stop that, its so corrupt its unreal.
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Anna Lynne Larson
Black Sail Anarchists Yarr Collective
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:20:00 -
[319] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Tts seems lately goons and in particular The Mittani are stirring up lots of problems with eve. Firstly he ordered the killing of ice miners https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19206&find=unreadand now in C&P more scamming going on https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=20988&find=unreadThis is just recent, but there is the whole concept of what The Mittani and Goons represent. The represent everything that is wrong and bad about eve, scourning misery amongst eve players, the whole concept of scamming. Goonswarm can simply not be trusted in anyway and neither can its leadership, which in turn is the Chair of The CSM. Now whether you believe scamming is part of the game or not, its actually bad for the game and to be honest the future of the game, how can you expect new players to want to enjoy the game and stay in the game when you have the biggest noob recruitment alliance, scamming them as soon as they enter the game? No wonder people leave. Many people in eve do not know how goons work as a fundamental scamming alliance, and when people deal with someone like The Mittani who is supposed to represent the players as a whole, believe that he would be trustworthy, because he holds this position. Of course they would.. But The Mittani is using this to his own and his alliances advantage. Its total abuse of his CSM position, where people will trust him and he is abusing that. Its not on nor acceptable. CSM members are seen as people that hold some trust and this should not be allowed by any CSM member when they are in post. Mittani is abusing his power and is not fit to hold this post... Even Vile Rat should be removed too as he also represents what goons are.. You may ask, well he plays the game too, why cant he scam.? Well he can, even though I personally hate scammers, eve allows it. The issue isnt about scamming as such, its about a person who is supposed to be held in high regard by the players, and abusing this to scam people. However his other actions suchs as attacking ice miners etc is not in the best interested of the game either. I quote the CSM Scope. The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. It is important to keep in mind that the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP. Some people stated and The Mittani also stated that he represents HIS constituents. This is Goons not the the playerbase! Now some are saying well only 1700 of those votes he got was from Goons the rest wasnt. Seriously? Do you expect us to believe that the rest (or most of) where not from Goon alts or second/third accounts alts? However the scope clearly states there should be active engagement with the 'PlayerBase' and also act GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥ this clearly is not the case, how can the biggest alliance which The Mittani Leads, which actively involves itself in scamming, and things like the miner slaughter si 'for the greater good of the player base' Its not! at all! The issue isnt wth the scamming or attacking whatever, its about players seeing these people as people they can trust! But they use this position of trust to abuse the game, such as scamming. If a person contacts a CSM about anything in game, most players would expect to be treat with honesty. Then they get scammed, how can that be good for the game, and what the CSM represents? Seriously Its plain downright corruption. If this wish to do what they do, fine, but the should not be in a position that represents players TRUST, they should step down! No wonder eve is dying cos ccp allows stuff like this to happen from the CSM Chair.. Im sure many goons/alts will troll the thread so flame away - sticks and stones but if you agree +1 like this post, i think its about time we stood up to this cr@pI will also be filing an official petition and also be contacting as many MMO editorials as possible, to give this maximum exposure, on how much this is not right. keep liking guys - even if you dont want to post ... TOP QUOTE"Being the CSM chairman doesn't mean that you're bound to a more limited set of rules as a player than anyone else. It's EVE, he can abuse his title as much as he wants as long as he doesn't breach NDA (like Darius III did)" HOLY SH*T IS THIS TRUE - CCP PLEASE DONT TELL ME THIS IS TRUE!! OMFG
You don't get EVE. The CSM are PLAYERS. Players are allowed to do whatever the **** they want. That includes issuing a game-wide embargo on Blue Ice; if it's within the rules (and suicide ganking and market manipulation ARE), then it can be done.
You're just mad.
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
142
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:20:00 -
[320] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:This is why you should be removed.. Your core fundamentals are wrong and you are not fit to serve any of the eve playerbase. Your represent everything that is bad about eve. Everything! You are in a position of TRUST!! You are not worthy or fit to hold that postition. You gain your position by manipulation. This is corruption to the core.
So no one from nullsec should be on the CSM?
In other words, you're a pubbie with no clue about, oh, 60% of the game's mechanics? Good to know. |
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Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
46
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:21:00 -
[321] - Quote
I enjoy this hisec vs rest of the game thing that has developed from this. The usual counter people will use is some bland statement about a "sandbox", but I believe that actually totally underscores the point. Nullsec, lowsec, piracy, ganking, griefing, that IS the game, of course with the corollary that this competition is what drives the incredible player-driven cooperation that makes makes this game what it is.
Hisec, starter systems, missions, that stuff exists solely as a means to get you to the actual game because the actual game is so ******* harsh that without this island for people to dip their toes in, they couldn't maintain the critical mass necessary to keep Eve going. That's all your piece of the sandbox is, a rubber room for beginners, the fact that you choose to stay there is your fault, not everyone else's (in fact, it's CCP's fault for making it too safe and not better transitioning people out of hisec).
People will respond by saying that committed hisecers make up x% of subs. However, that is simply because this game is so harsh that many people who join with some vague notion of competing find they don't in fact have what it takes. However, they join and continue to play because this game of Eve, the actual game, is being played by someone. I am absolutely confident when I say that if this game was solely hisecers shooting red crosses etc, it would not exist. People play this game because ghsc pulled off a year long infiltration, sirmolle tried to conquer all of nullsec, goonswarm disbanded bob etc or because of amazing stories their friends told them of daring pirate attacks or similarly fearless rescues and so on.
The simple fact is that if you created a shard universe of just hisec, the subs wouldn't cover the cost to maintain it. No one would play. The fact that there are people who don't recognize that hisec is just an extension of the actual game and wouldn't even exist if it wasn't necessary to ease people into the actual game because of how vicious it can truly be just shows that hisec needs to be made less safe and people need to be introduced to the actual game earlier and more forcefully. Ironically, that is exactly what goons are doing, and the fact that they are able to teach this lesson repeatedly just shows that hisec is far too comfy and insulated from the actual game.
I agree that lowsec emptiness and nullsec malaise are serious problems, but I believe those problems actually ultimately stem from the fact that threads like this even exist in the first place because people have forgotten why they even paid that initial subscription to try and compete in this amazing game they heard so much about.
Yes, I just seriousposted on eve-o gd, and I am correspondingly sickened and ashamed. |
non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
69
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:21:00 -
[322] - Quote
Xython wrote:non judgement wrote:Phew, While reading this thread, for a second there, I thought the CSM ran CCP and EVE. Like they were the ones in power. They are only advisers.
CCP really is dumb enough to not be able to tell when one of their advisers has a vested interest in a part of their world?
So you're saying the ideal CSM ... wouldn't have any interest in the game? I know, lets hire the Final Fantasy 14 GM team for our CSM staff next time! They'll definitely not have any "vested interest" in the game. I wrote a nice and long reply to this but then stopped and decided not to post it. Since you're obviously a troll. What I said is very straight forward and I didn't mean anything more.
If anyone needs me, I'll be off reading about FF14. Just incase their GMs do indeed have to have some knowledge of EVEs existance. |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
325
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:21:00 -
[323] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:This is why you should be removed.. Your core fundamentals are wrong and you are not fit to serve any of the eve playerbase. Your represent everything that is bad about eve. Everything! You are in a position of TRUST!! You are not worthy or fit to hold that postition. You gain your position by manipulation. This is corruption to the core.
Actually as a GSF diplomat I am one of the few people in our alliance who can't scam.
Doesn't matter though since how I play the game has nothing to do with how I conduct myself as a CSM rep since those are two completely different roles. Unless I'm breaking EULA or the NDA then you're just mad about our playing style and wishing that we'd try to be politicians in our off time instead of just doing what we've always done as players.
You really need to get over it. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
67
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 07:22:00 -
[324] - Quote
Anna Lynne Larson wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Tts seems lately goons and in particular The Mittani are stirring up lots of problems with eve. Firstly he ordered the killing of ice miners https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19206&find=unreadand now in C&P more scamming going on https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=20988&find=unreadThis is just recent, but there is the whole concept of what The Mittani and Goons represent. The represent everything that is wrong and bad about eve, scourning misery amongst eve players, the whole concept of scamming. Goonswarm can simply not be trusted in anyway and neither can its leadership, which in turn is the Chair of The CSM. Now whether you believe scamming is part of the game or not, its actually bad for the game and to be honest the future of the game, how can you expect new players to want to enjoy the game and stay in the game when you have the biggest noob recruitment alliance, scamming them as soon as they enter the game? No wonder people leave. Many people in eve do not know how goons work as a fundamental scamming alliance, and when people deal with someone like The Mittani who is supposed to represent the players as a whole, believe that he would be trustworthy, because he holds this position. Of course they would.. But The Mittani is using this to his own and his alliances advantage. Its total abuse of his CSM position, where people will trust him and he is abusing that. Its not on nor acceptable. CSM members are seen as people that hold some trust and this should not be allowed by any CSM member when they are in post. Mittani is abusing his power and is not fit to hold this post... Even Vile Rat should be removed too as he also represents what goons are.. You may ask, well he plays the game too, why cant he scam.? Well he can, even though I personally hate scammers, eve allows it. The issue isnt about scamming as such, its about a person who is supposed to be held in high regard by the players, and abusing this to scam people. However his other actions suchs as attacking ice miners etc is not in the best interested of the game either. I quote the CSM Scope. The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. It is important to keep in mind that the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP. Some people stated and The Mittani also stated that he represents HIS constituents. This is Goons not the the playerbase! Now some are saying well only 1700 of those votes he got was from Goons the rest wasnt. Seriously? Do you expect us to believe that the rest (or most of) where not from Goon alts or second/third accounts alts? However the scope clearly states there should be active engagement with the 'PlayerBase' and also act GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥ this clearly is not the case, how can the biggest alliance which The Mittani Leads, which actively involves itself in scamming, and things like the miner slaughter si 'for the greater good of the player base' Its not! at all! The issue isnt wth the scamming or attacking whatever, its about players seeing these people as people they can trust! But they use this position of trust to abuse the game, such as scamming. If a person contacts a CSM about anything in game, most players would expect to be treat with honesty. Then they get scammed, how can that be good for the game, and what the CSM represents? Seriously Its plain downright corruption. If this wish to do what they do, fine, but the should not be in a position that represents players TRUST, they should step down! No wonder eve is dying cos ccp allows stuff like this to happen from the CSM Chair.. Im sure many goons/alts will troll the thread so flame away - sticks and stones but if you agree +1 like this post, i think its about time we stood up to this cr@pI will also be filing an official petition and also be contacting as many MMO editorials as possible, to give this maximum exposure, on how much this is not right. keep liking guys - even if you dont want to post ... TOP QUOTE"Being the CSM chairman doesn't mean that you're bound to a more limited set of rules as a player than anyone else. It's EVE, he can abuse his title as much as he wants as long as he doesn't breach NDA (like Darius III did)" HOLY SH*T IS THIS TRUE - CCP PLEASE DONT TELL ME THIS IS TRUE!! OMFG You don't get EVE. The CSM are PLAYERS. Players are allowed to do whatever the **** they want. That includes issuing a game-wide embargo on Blue Ice; if it's within the rules (and suicide ganking and market manipulation ARE), then it can be done. You're just mad.
You just dont get it do you...
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
86
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:23:00 -
[325] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:
You just dont get it do you...
We get it. We get that you got sand in your vag, riding your bitter bus to lemon town.
Grats.
GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/ |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
170
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:23:00 -
[326] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:You seem to be confusing one role we play (CSM representative) for the other role we play (Player, playing a game.). Maybe this is why you're so upset?
Oh no, you aren't suggesting that we need to model our playing style to fit your preconceived notions just because we sit on an elected CCP advisory board? I assume you aren't cause that would be kinda dumb don't you think?
If you approach Mittani about buying a non existant supercap and get scammed then good for him, you're dumb. That has nothing to do with the CSM and your lack of critical thinking skills got you where you are today.
Personally i just dislike alliance leaders as CSM's because you guys get exposed to information that can be used as a tactical advantage in-game, like knowing beforehand about something that is getting nerfed and/or buffed. For instance, you could have been made aware of the jumpbridge nerf three to four weeks, maybe more than a month before it was made publicly known so one can argue that you guys had that much more time to adapt and prepare than any other alliances.
And even if you wanted to let other alliances know for the sake of fair-play you can't because of the NDA. If i'm the leader of an alliance, and i get to know about something like that, i will divide myself into two roles like i have double personality. Nobody can help but use whatever information they are given.
But that is a whole different concern that has nothing to do with what the OP is whining about.. at any rate. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:23:00 -
[327] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:This is why you should be removed.. Your core fundamentals are wrong and you are not fit to serve any of the eve playerbase. Your represent everything that is bad about eve. Everything! You are in a position of TRUST!! You are not worthy or fit to hold that postition. You gain your position by manipulation. This is corruption to the core. Actually as a GSF diplomat I am one of the few people in our alliance who can't scam. Doesn't matter though since how I play the game has nothing to do with how I conduct myself as a CSM rep since those are two completely different roles. Unless I'm breaking EULA or the NDA then you're just mad about our playing style and wishing that we'd try to be politicians in our off time instead of just doing what we've always done as players. You really need to get over it.
Oh that is rubbish, and you still represent Goons full stop, Goons are about scamming, about the worse thing about eve, about a community. You are (and in your own words) Vile.
Im sure your alts dont scam either...Yeah right...
No sorry but this is pure downright abuse of power and corruption. I have already contacted a few external editorials and will continually do so. You are bad for the game and bad for eve. Enough is enough now, and will no longer be tolerated. |
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:24:00 -
[328] - Quote
If EVE was run by a democratic political system, the CSMs would be held accountable for their actions and unlawful behaviour would justly be punished.
EVE is not a democracy. If you look at it as a whole, it's more of a mish mash of feudal states and empires vying for control of the areas they claim as their own.
But of course, this is obvious.
Let's look at history - in feudal times, the most successful leaders weren't those who upheld law and justice and followed all the rules; they were the ones who used any means necessary to win, be it underhand or otherwise.
You can't apply real world rules to a sandbox game which operates completely differently.
The CSMs have no in game advantage, aside from their reputation. Last time I checked , they weren't even handed State Issue Ravens as congratulatory presents for their election. I could make a character tomorrow with the first name CSM (just did to check it was possible), and if I managed to scam someone into allowing me to mediate the transmission of a tonne of isk, i'd be well within the bounds of the game and the EULA. As long as you don't impersonate a CCP employee, who you are or who you claim to be is entirely up to you.
>>TL;DR<< EVE is a feudal sandbox. CSMs are players too. Fancy prefixes impress stupid people. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
86
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:25:00 -
[329] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote: No sorry but this is pure downright abuse of power and corruption. I have already contacted a few external editorials and will continually do so. You are bad for the game and bad for eve. Enough is enough now, and will no longer be tolerated.
Off to parade on Wall Street too?
GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/ |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
170
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:25:00 -
[330] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Vile rat wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:This is why you should be removed.. Your core fundamentals are wrong and you are not fit to serve any of the eve playerbase. Your represent everything that is bad about eve. Everything! You are in a position of TRUST!! You are not worthy or fit to hold that postition. You gain your position by manipulation. This is corruption to the core. Actually as a GSF diplomat I am one of the few people in our alliance who can't scam. Doesn't matter though since how I play the game has nothing to do with how I conduct myself as a CSM rep since those are two completely different roles. Unless I'm breaking EULA or the NDA then you're just mad about our playing style and wishing that we'd try to be politicians in our off time instead of just doing what we've always done as players. You really need to get over it. No sorry but this is pure downright abuse of power and corruption. I have already contacted a few external editorials and will continually do so. You are bad for the game and bad for eve. Enough is enough now, and will no longer be tolerated.
You are trying to get more people to laught at you? Is what they are saying so hard for you to comprehend? Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:26:00 -
[331] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Just Another Toon wrote: No sorry but this is pure downright abuse of power and corruption. I have already contacted a few external editorials and will continually do so. You are bad for the game and bad for eve. Enough is enough now, and will no longer be tolerated.
Off to parade on Wall Street too?
If possible yes...a man on a serious mission..
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:26:00 -
[332] - Quote
Renan Ruivo wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Vile rat wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:This is why you should be removed.. Your core fundamentals are wrong and you are not fit to serve any of the eve playerbase. Your represent everything that is bad about eve. Everything! You are in a position of TRUST!! You are not worthy or fit to hold that postition. You gain your position by manipulation. This is corruption to the core. Actually as a GSF diplomat I am one of the few people in our alliance who can't scam. Doesn't matter though since how I play the game has nothing to do with how I conduct myself as a CSM rep since those are two completely different roles. Unless I'm breaking EULA or the NDA then you're just mad about our playing style and wishing that we'd try to be politicians in our off time instead of just doing what we've always done as players. You really need to get over it. No sorry but this is pure downright abuse of power and corruption. I have already contacted a few external editorials and will continually do so. You are bad for the game and bad for eve. Enough is enough now, and will no longer be tolerated. You are trying to get more people to laught at you? Is what they are saying so hard for you to comprehend?
Goon Alt spotted....Do you really think, silly words like this, will worry me, or hinder me? Really? |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
86
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:27:00 -
[333] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Alpheias wrote:Just Another Toon wrote: No sorry but this is pure downright abuse of power and corruption. I have already contacted a few external editorials and will continually do so. You are bad for the game and bad for eve. Enough is enough now, and will no longer be tolerated.
Off to parade on Wall Street too? If possible yes...a man on a serious mission..
Send me a postcard.
GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/ |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
170
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:27:00 -
[334] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Do you really think, silly words like this, will worry me, or hinder me? Really?
Oh my god i fell for it you're such an obvious goon alt Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
157
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:27:00 -
[335] - Quote
While I don't prance about slippers made of "Pure MittaniGäó" as some of the more slavish among us (at least pretend to do) I am however at a loss why you even made this topic.
If The Mittani has an opinion on ice mining (which is wrong) he is entitled to such an opinion. Whether or not he has enough influence on the issue to force it through is debatable. He knows to little about wormhole space to impress people with his in depth knowledge in the field of "possible no risk ninja abc mining" so he would be outdone in a discussions with the other CSM (some of them actually live in wormholes and know their stuff) and this has been proven by discussions of the CSM so far.
If The Mittani, leader of goonswarm and former self proclaimed "spymaster" scammed people in EVE I can't say I am surprised. Its Goonswarms second calling or creed I believe or at least part of their mission statement, you deal with them at your own peril.
The only real thing that disturbs me in the The Mittani is his insistence in saying to people they should "die and/or shut up", however having listened to myself recently while driving I can't really point a finger accusingly. It is however behaviour that shouldn't be allowed from a CSM when he/she is commenting on "official" business or responding to a genuine concerns of players.
No fan of The Mittani, but often he makes some sense. He badly misjudged the whole aurm/nex store thing and thus allowed the incarna/ambulation project to be stillborn (no player control/influence/sandbox in stations = dead stations). But he was not alone in that and would have had little control over it until CCP changes/changed business practices.
So yes The Mittani can be annoying, but the OP should not have a hissy fit. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
170
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:31:00 -
[336] - Quote
I find it impressive how many versions of goon alts and fake toons can have a conversation betweem themselves. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
142
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:34:00 -
[337] - Quote
non judgement wrote:Xython wrote:non judgement wrote:Phew, While reading this thread, for a second there, I thought the CSM ran CCP and EVE. Like they were the ones in power. They are only advisers.
CCP really is dumb enough to not be able to tell when one of their advisers has a vested interest in a part of their world?
So you're saying the ideal CSM ... wouldn't have any interest in the game? I know, lets hire the Final Fantasy 14 GM team for our CSM staff next time! They'll definitely not have any "vested interest" in the game. I wrote a nice and long reply to this but then stopped and decided not to post it. Since you're obviously a troll. What I said is very straight forward and I didn't mean anything more.
Not a troll, a Goon. Merch Industrial; specifically, KiTA from the Penny-Arcade forums.
But what you said certainly did not come across as very straight forward. Yes, every CSM has vested interests in the game -- they're passionate about EVE. That's why they are going through the hassle of being on the CSM and doing stuff like flying to CCP's home offices to help clean up their mess when they drop the ball.
And yes, some of them are PVPers. Fancy that, since this is a PVP Sandbox game. And yes, that includes suicide PVPing highsec people with no frustration tolerance. It's fun.
Remember CCP's motto? Harden the **** up.
But by all means, please explain if I'm misunderstanding. You appear to be suggesting he's abusing his CSM authority in some way, shape, or form by participating in PVP. Care to clarify that? |
Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security
12
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:36:00 -
[338] - Quote
Renan Ruivo wrote:I find it impressive how many versions of goon alts and fake toons can have a conversation betweem themselves.
Its effective.... They can make CCP to change game for them..... |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
325
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:36:00 -
[339] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Oh that is rubbish, and you still represent Goons full stop, Goons are about scamming, about the worse thing about eve , about a community. You are (and in your own words) Vile.
You see this is where you just flail around. You're critiquing a valid in game playstyle and trying to say that because we play the game a certain way we're not WORTHY of being voted in by the playerbase to represent them to CCP.
Quote: Im sure your alts dont scam either...Yeah right...
Nope. I don't scam at all. I'm not allowed to. Granted it's my own rule, but it's one I enforce. I don't really need to though since I'm eve-rich.
Quote: No sorry but this is pure downright abuse of power and corruption. I have already contacted a few external editorials and will continually do so. You are bad for the game and bad for eve. Enough is enough now, and will no longer be tolerated.
Ok outline the abuse and/or corruption. Go ahead. Be detailed. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
170
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:36:00 -
[340] - Quote
Xython wrote:non judgement wrote:Xython wrote:non judgement wrote:Phew, While reading this thread, for a second there, I thought the CSM ran CCP and EVE. Like they were the ones in power. They are only advisers.
CCP really is dumb enough to not be able to tell when one of their advisers has a vested interest in a part of their world?
So you're saying the ideal CSM ... wouldn't have any interest in the game? I know, lets hire the Final Fantasy 14 GM team for our CSM staff next time! They'll definitely not have any "vested interest" in the game. I wrote a nice and long reply to this but then stopped and decided not to post it. Since you're obviously a troll. What I said is very straight forward and I didn't mean anything more. Not a troll, a Goon. Merch Industrial; specifically, KiTA from the Penny-Arcade forums. But what you said certainly did not come across as very straight forward. Yes, every CSM has vested interests in the game -- they're passionate about EVE. That's why they are going through the hassle of being on the CSM and doing stuff like flying to CCP's home offices to help clean up their mess when they drop the ball. And yes, some of them are PVPers. Fancy that, since this is a PVP Sandbox game. And yes, that includes suicide PVPing highsec people with no frustration tolerance. It's fun. Remember CCP's motto? Harden the **** up. But by all means, please explain if I'm misunderstanding. You appear to be suggesting he's abusing his CSM authority in some way, shape, or form by participating in PVP. Care to clarify that?
Stop talking to yourself thats silly! Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
142
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:38:00 -
[341] - Quote
Renan Ruivo wrote:Stop talking to yourself thats silly!
This is a silly thread and we should all be ashamed to be posting in it.
At least it's not another Apostle dropping, though. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:38:00 -
[342] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Oh that is rubbish, and you still represent Goons full stop, Goons are about scamming, about the worse thing about eve , about a community. You are (and in your own words) Vile. You see this is where you just flail around. You're critiquing a valid in game playstyle and trying to say that because we play the game a certain way we're not WORTHY of being voted in by the playerbase to represent them to CCP. Quote: Im sure your alts dont scam either...Yeah right...
Nope. I don't scam at all. I'm not allowed to. Granted it's my own rule, but it's one I enforce. I don't really need to though since I'm eve-rich. Quote: No sorry but this is pure downright abuse of power and corruption. I have already contacted a few external editorials and will continually do so. You are bad for the game and bad for eve. Enough is enough now, and will no longer be tolerated.
Ok outline the abuse and/or corruption. Go ahead. Be detailed.
Read the first post, might help a bit...
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:39:00 -
[343] - Quote
Keep clicking the like button, support is growing!
Its time to stand up to this... |
Botleten
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
90
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:39:00 -
[344] - Quote
Hey 'Just Another Toon', if you feel so passionately about this, why don't you start posting with your main instead of hiding behind an NPC corp alt? |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
325
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:42:00 -
[345] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:
Read the first post, might help a bit...
Your OP included no corruption nor abuse. You just whined that because he's an in game scammer you can't trust him and because you can't trust him you think he's a bad CSM. That's fine, you have your vote and all, but you haven't detailed any corruption nor abuse.
So what else you got? |
Cedille Mureau
Institute of Archaeology
3
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:42:00 -
[346] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Please post the official rule saying that the CSM is somehow magically different from all other elected representative bodies in the history of mankind and that they must uphold your rather unrealistic idealGǪ
Damn, how many times do I have to post this?
"The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. It is important to keep in mind that the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP. " My emphasis.
Please note: This document was originally created by P+¬tur J+¦hannes +ôskarsson on behalf of CCP.
The CSM is not a vehicle for massaging the egos of its members nor should it be the means whereby a minority of the game gets an unfair advantage.
Sorry about the long delay in replying to Tippia's post, but timezones are a nuisance. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:42:00 -
[347] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
Read the first post, might help a bit...
Your OP included no corruption nor abuse. You just whined that because he's an in game scammer you can't trust him and because you can't trust him you think he's a bad CSM. That's fine, you have your vote and all, but you haven't detailed any corruption nor abuse. So what else you got?
Think you need to read again..everyone else seems to understand it.. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:43:00 -
[348] - Quote
Cedille Mureau wrote:Tippia wrote:Please post the official rule saying that the CSM is somehow magically different from all other elected representative bodies in the history of mankind and that they must uphold your rather unrealistic idealGǪ Damn, how many times do I have to post this? "The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. It is important to keep in mind that the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP. " My emphasis. Please note: This document was originally created by P+¬tur J+¦hannes +ôskarsson on behalf of CCP. The CSM is not a vehicle for massaging the egos of its members notr is it the means whereby a minority of the game gets an unfair advantage. Sorry about the long delay in replying to Tippia's post, but timezones are a nuisance.
So whats the point?
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
142
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:43:00 -
[349] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Vile rat wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
Read the first post, might help a bit...
Your OP included no corruption nor abuse. You just whined that because he's an in game scammer you can't trust him and because you can't trust him you think he's a bad CSM. That's fine, you have your vote and all, but you haven't detailed any corruption nor abuse. So what else you got? Think you need to read again..everyone else seems to understand it..
I don't. Please explain. Use small words, I'm a Goon after all. |
non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
69
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:44:00 -
[350] - Quote
Xython wrote:non judgement wrote:Xython wrote:non judgement wrote:Phew, While reading this thread, for a second there, I thought the CSM ran CCP and EVE. Like they were the ones in power. They are only advisers.
CCP really is dumb enough to not be able to tell when one of their advisers has a vested interest in a part of their world?
So you're saying the ideal CSM ... wouldn't have any interest in the game? I know, lets hire the Final Fantasy 14 GM team for our CSM staff next time! They'll definitely not have any "vested interest" in the game. I wrote a nice and long reply to this but then stopped and decided not to post it. Since you're obviously a troll. What I said is very straight forward and I didn't mean anything more. Not a troll, a Goon. Merch Industrial; specifically, KiTA from the Penny-Arcade forums. But what you said certainly did not come across as very straight forward. Yes, every CSM has vested interests in the game -- they're passionate about EVE. That's why they are going through the hassle of being on the CSM and doing stuff like flying to CCP's home offices to help clean up their mess when they drop the ball. And yes, some of them are PVPers. Fancy that, since this is a PVP Sandbox game. And yes, that includes suicide PVPing highsec people with no frustration tolerance. It's fun. Remember CCP's motto? Harden the **** up. But by all means, please explain if I'm misunderstanding. You appear to be suggesting he's abusing his CSM authority in some way, shape, or form by participating in PVP. Care to clarify that? Okay here is a version of my first reply, that I had sitting in notepad off to the side still:
I don't think I'm saying that at all. What I was saying is this: CCP are in control of what happens, not the CSM. CSM are only advisers.
CCP know what Mittens is good at and they know he has a lot of knowledge about nullsec. I think he's a good person to have on CSM because he has good understanding of nullsec and probably most other areas (except maybe wormhole space). They would also know that Mittens would be looking out for his own interests first. Having a vested interest in his part of nullsec is obvious. I did not mean that having a vested interest was a bad thing. It's almost impossible to find someone who doesn't have a vested interest. Of course the people on CSM have vested interests in their part of the game. I'm saying that CCP know all this and most likely take it into consideration when any of the CSM people talk to them.
That is all that I'm saying, nothing more. |
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Victor Dathar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:44:00 -
[351] - Quote
There is no smoke without fire! Watergate Watergate! |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
142
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:45:00 -
[352] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:So whats the point?
The point of the CSM? To represent the player base and bring things up in an orderly fashion.
(If I recall correctly, wasn't the CSM founded after some CCP Dev got caught leaking information to Band of Brothers, or somesuch nonsense? I'm not fully versed in my ancient New Eden history.)
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Botleten
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
90
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:46:00 -
[353] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:
Think you need to read again..everyone else seems to understand it..
Are you stupid or just blind? There's 18 pages of people call you an idiot in this thread. Your OP has 2100 views and 31 likes... you do the math. Somewhere in the range of 1.5% of people agree with you... |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
142
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:46:00 -
[354] - Quote
non judgement wrote:Xython wrote:non judgement wrote:Xython wrote:non judgement wrote:Phew, While reading this thread, for a second there, I thought the CSM ran CCP and EVE. Like they were the ones in power. They are only advisers.
CCP really is dumb enough to not be able to tell when one of their advisers has a vested interest in a part of their world?
So you're saying the ideal CSM ... wouldn't have any interest in the game? I know, lets hire the Final Fantasy 14 GM team for our CSM staff next time! They'll definitely not have any "vested interest" in the game. I wrote a nice and long reply to this but then stopped and decided not to post it. Since you're obviously a troll. What I said is very straight forward and I didn't mean anything more. Not a troll, a Goon. Merch Industrial; specifically, KiTA from the Penny-Arcade forums. But what you said certainly did not come across as very straight forward. Yes, every CSM has vested interests in the game -- they're passionate about EVE. That's why they are going through the hassle of being on the CSM and doing stuff like flying to CCP's home offices to help clean up their mess when they drop the ball. And yes, some of them are PVPers. Fancy that, since this is a PVP Sandbox game. And yes, that includes suicide PVPing highsec people with no frustration tolerance. It's fun. Remember CCP's motto? Harden the **** up. But by all means, please explain if I'm misunderstanding. You appear to be suggesting he's abusing his CSM authority in some way, shape, or form by participating in PVP. Care to clarify that? Okay here is a version of my first reply, that I had sitting in notepad off to the side still: I don't think I'm saying that at all. What I was saying is this: CCP are in control of what happens, not the CSM. CSM are only advisers. CCP know what Mittens is good at and they know he has a lot of knowledge about nullsec. I think he's a good person to have on CSM because he has good understanding of nullsec and probably most other areas (except maybe wormhole space). They would also know that Mittens would be looking out for his own interests first. Having a vested interest in his part of nullsec is obvious. I did not mean that having a vested interest was a bad thing. It's almost impossible to find someone who doesn't have a vested interest. Of course the people on CSM have vested interests in their part of the game. I'm saying that CCP know all this and most likely take it into consideration when any of the CSM people talk to them. That is all that I'm saying, nothing more.
Well, now that I agree with. Can you try to explain that to the OP? He seems to be off his meds. ;) |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:47:00 -
[355] - Quote
didnt read it all, well not even a little.
Its just wall of text written by someone with strong feeling of entitlement for his own opinion.
I bet the discussion broke down to sand box game and other things..
So let me state one thing.
If there were not people who provide meaning to things which happening in EVE than it will be dead end game. Players are and should be one who makes the game interesting. And that is what goons and other alliances doing.
From carebear point, my point.
Its awesome that things happens, i am just an small fish with no real/significant impact on EVE universe. Its sad. But i wish good luck to anyone who actually try to provide more fun and meaning to all us soldiers.
As an soldier who signs up for CTAs you are not one who make a change, well you are but THOSE WHO PROVIDE SUCH OPPORTUNITIES ARE BLESSED AND MAKE EVE what it SHOULD BE.
Otherwise it would be botting haeven and by bots i dont mean 3rd party programs but autistic people who grind and grind so they can .. hmm what have sufficient ISKs for ??? Dont know where it would end. But i personally dont see it as bright future. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:47:00 -
[356] - Quote
Xython wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:So whats the point? The point of the CSM? To represent the player base and bring things up in an orderly fashion. (If I recall correctly, wasn't the CSM founded after some CCP Dev got caught leaking information to Band of Brothers, or somesuch nonsense? I'm not fully versed in my ancient New Eden history.)
No your point...
and yes to REPRESENT THE PLAYERBASE.... think about that for the moment. also 'for the greater good of the playerbase'
are you saying the actions of the mittani, his scamming etc is 'for the greater good' ??? really?
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Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:48:00 -
[357] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Think you need to read again..everyone else seems to understand it.. Actually you and the voices in your head are the only ones who understand it. Every page of this thread is full of people asking for clarification.
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Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:49:00 -
[358] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:are you saying the actions of the mittani, his scamming etc is 'for the greater good' ??? really? Prove that it's not.
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Cedille Mureau
Institute of Archaeology
3
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:49:00 -
[359] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Cedille Mureau wrote:Tippia wrote:Please post the official rule saying that the CSM is somehow magically different from all other elected representative bodies in the history of mankind and that they must uphold your rather unrealistic idealGǪ Damn, how many times do I have to post this? "The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. It is important to keep in mind that the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP. " My emphasis. Please note: This document was originally created by P+¬tur J+¦hannes +ôskarsson on behalf of CCP. The CSM is not a vehicle for massaging the egos of its members notr is it the means whereby a minority of the game gets an unfair advantage. Sorry about the long delay in replying to Tippia's post, but timezones are a nuisance. So whats the point?
The point being that CCP set up the CSM to represent the whole of the EVE players base and not as has happened to further the aims of a minority who happen to get most of the CSM members elected.
Don't know about the USA but in the UK no matter what party the MP belongs to it is their duty to represent the WHOLE of their consitiuents' interests not just those voters of the party to which they belong. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:50:00 -
[360] - Quote
Botleten wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
Think you need to read again..everyone else seems to understand it..
Are you stupid or just blind? There's 18 pages of people call you an idiot in this thread. Your OP has 2100 views and 31 likes... you do the math. Somewhere in the range of 1.5% of people agree with you...
Sorry i got lost in all the goon alt posts, If you think this derails anything, you are sadly mistaken. |
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:52:00 -
[361] - Quote
Cedille Mureau wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Cedille Mureau wrote:Tippia wrote:Please post the official rule saying that the CSM is somehow magically different from all other elected representative bodies in the history of mankind and that they must uphold your rather unrealistic idealGǪ Damn, how many times do I have to post this? "The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. It is important to keep in mind that the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP. " My emphasis. Please note: This document was originally created by P+¬tur J+¦hannes +ôskarsson on behalf of CCP. The CSM is not a vehicle for massaging the egos of its members notr is it the means whereby a minority of the game gets an unfair advantage. Sorry about the long delay in replying to Tippia's post, but timezones are a nuisance. So whats the point? The point being that CCP set up the CSM to represent the whole of the EVE players base and not as has happened to further the aims of a minority who happen to get most of the CSM members elected. Don't know about the USA but in the UK no matter what party the MP belongs to it is their duty to represent the WHOLE of their consitiuents' interests not just those voters of the party to which they belong.
I think you may find that in the UK, we have local councils which represent the constituents, and we have national government that represents the WHOLE of the UK
The CSM are not local they are in these terms national...
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
143
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:52:00 -
[362] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Xython wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:So whats the point? The point of the CSM? To represent the player base and bring things up in an orderly fashion. (If I recall correctly, wasn't the CSM founded after some CCP Dev got caught leaking information to Band of Brothers, or somesuch nonsense? I'm not fully versed in my ancient New Eden history.) No your point... and yes to REPRESENT THE PLAYERBASE.... think about that for the moment. also 'for the greater good of the playerbase' are you saying the actions of the mittani, his scamming etc is 'for the greater good' ??? really?
Yes, absolutely. He's killing ice miner bots. That is by definition the best possible thing people can do if they love EVE and want to see it continue.
A close second is creating "user content" -- and by god, the Gallente Ice fields haven't been this exciting in 3+ years. He's getting people to talk. He's getting people to login. He's shaking up the markets. He's making the game interesting again.
So yes, Mittani's most recent actions have been very, VERY good for the game. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
616
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:52:00 -
[363] - Quote
Cedille Mureau wrote:Tippia wrote:Please post the official rule saying that the CSM is somehow magically different from all other elected representative bodies in the history of mankind and that they must uphold your rather unrealistic idealGǪ Damn, how many times do I have to post this? "The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. It is important to keep in mind that the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP. " My emphasis. Please note: This document was originally created by P+¬tur J+¦hannes +ôskarsson on behalf of CCP. The CSM is not a vehicle for massaging the egos of its members nor should it be the means whereby a minority of the game gets an unfair advantage. Sorry about the long delay in replying to Tippia's post, but timezones are a nuisance.
But that describes his activities as a CSM, not his activities in-game.
How, specifcally, have his actions within the CSM contravened that mandate?
I'm not asking what he's said (mittens loves to troll), but what he's actually DONE in the CSM that you think is so bad? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
46
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:52:00 -
[364] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:are you saying the actions of the mittani, his scamming etc is 'for the greater good' ??? really?
Yes, or at the very least neutral.
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
143
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:54:00 -
[365] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:I'm not asking what he's said (mittens loves to troll), but what he's actually DONE in the CSM that you think is so bad?
None of them have an answer for you.
Hell, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts they don't even know one thing he's done good OR bad in the CSM.
They're just mad that Goons have switched to pirating ice miners, killed their ice miner bots, and The Mittani is the most easily talked about name involved. That's it. They have no complaints about his activities as CSM, they're just desperately trying to use it as a wedge to control and/or punish him. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
90
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 07:54:00 -
[366] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Cedille Mureau wrote:Tippia wrote:Please post the official rule saying that the CSM is somehow magically different from all other elected representative bodies in the history of mankind and that they must uphold your rather unrealistic idealGǪ Damn, how many times do I have to post this? "The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. It is important to keep in mind that the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP. " My emphasis. Please note: This document was originally created by P+¬tur J+¦hannes +ôskarsson on behalf of CCP. The CSM is not a vehicle for massaging the egos of its members nor should it be the means whereby a minority of the game gets an unfair advantage. Sorry about the long delay in replying to Tippia's post, but timezones are a nuisance. But that describes his activities as a CSM, not his activities in-game. How, specifcally, have his actions within the CSM contravened that mandate? I'm not asking what he's said (mittens loves to troll), but what he's actually DONE in the CSM that you think is so bad?
Lets put this question to you.
Do you think its right that the chair of the CSM, who is supposed to represent the playerbase, and act for the 'greater good' of the playerbase, uses his position to scam people in game?
Do you?
just a simple yes or no.. if you vote yes then this is everything that is wrong about eve and the CSM...
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
90
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 07:55:00 -
[367] - Quote
Xython wrote:Malcanis wrote:I'm not asking what he's said (mittens loves to troll), but what he's actually DONE in the CSM that you think is so bad? None of them have an answer for you. Hell, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts they don't even know one thing he's done good OR bad in the CSM. They're just mad that Goons have switched to pirating ice miners, killed their ice miner bots, and The Mittani is the most easily talked about name involved. That's it. They have no complaints about his activities as CSM, they're just desperately trying to use it as a wedge to control and/or punish him.
Sorry goon posts dont interest me, infact this is the last one i shall reply to...
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
90
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 07:57:00 -
[368] - Quote
Elise DarkStar wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:are you saying the actions of the mittani, his scamming etc is 'for the greater good' ??? really? Yes, or at the very least neutral.
Wtf please explain the 'greater good' bit ....
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Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:57:00 -
[369] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Sorry goon posts dont interest me, infact this is the last one i shall reply to... Ah so you don't want an actual discussion...you just want to rant and hear back from your sock puppets.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
617
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:58:00 -
[370] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Malcanis wrote:The Apostle wrote:Malcanis wrote: "OK so one group of EVE players is fighting another group of EVE players, why should we see this as a problem?"
Fight? Where? Oh... Sorry. You mean the massive highly funded 0.0 alliances bashing individual players senseless and using "bots" and "economics" as justification? Sorry. Yes. That "fight". My bad. Yeah, sounds pretty much like the majority of 0.0 campaigns, tbh. So again where's the problem. You're in a boat, I want to violence it; I stay within the rules of the game and you make no effectual response. Where do the CSM come into this gap between my competence and your lack of it? You seem to be completely missing the point..As always Malcanis.. The issue isnt wth the scamming or attacking whatever, its about players seeing these people as people they can trust! But they use this position of trust to abuse the game, such as scamming. If a person contacts a CSM about anything in game, most players would expect to be treat with honesty. Then they get scammed, how can that be good for the game, and what the CSM represents? Seriously
Do you have any actual evidence of any CSM member using a CSM query made by another player to scam them or is it something you just dreamed up that they MIGHT do?
Contrariwise, since when were the CSM members supposed to be of purest virtue within their normal in-game play? The CSM chair of the previous CSM, Mynxee, was a ruthless and implacable pirate, for instance.
You're inventing a restriction on the in-game activity of CSM members that simply doesn't exist. It's like saying that the President isn't allowed to bluff when he plays his buddies at poker on a saturday night, because bluffing is nothing more than lying and scamming and that's not what a president should do!!!!!!11111 oneone Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:58:00 -
[371] - Quote
Goddess Ishtar wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Sorry goon posts dont interest me, infact this is the last one i shall reply to... Ah so you don't want an actual discussion...you just want to rant and hear back from your sock puppets.
I must reply, i would like a NON BIASED discussion, sadly you cant do that...
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Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
47
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:59:00 -
[372] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Wtf please explain the 'greater good' bit ....
Scamming, ganking, etc, within the rules is competition. Competition creates content. Content creates the game.
I don't think you ~get~ Eve. |
Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
47
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:00:00 -
[373] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:You're inventing a restriction on the in-game activity of CSM members that simply doesn't exist. It's like saying that the President isn't allowed to bluff when he plays his buddies at poker on a saturday night, because bluffing is nothing more than lying and scamming and that's not what a president should do!!!!!!11111 oneone
Excellent analogy. I wish I had thought of it.
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:00:00 -
[374] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Malcanis wrote:The Apostle wrote:Malcanis wrote: "OK so one group of EVE players is fighting another group of EVE players, why should we see this as a problem?"
Fight? Where? Oh... Sorry. You mean the massive highly funded 0.0 alliances bashing individual players senseless and using "bots" and "economics" as justification? Sorry. Yes. That "fight". My bad. Yeah, sounds pretty much like the majority of 0.0 campaigns, tbh. So again where's the problem. You're in a boat, I want to violence it; I stay within the rules of the game and you make no effectual response. Where do the CSM come into this gap between my competence and your lack of it? You seem to be completely missing the point..As always Malcanis.. The issue isnt wth the scamming or attacking whatever, its about players seeing these people as people they can trust! But they use this position of trust to abuse the game, such as scamming. If a person contacts a CSM about anything in game, most players would expect to be treat with honesty. Then they get scammed, how can that be good for the game, and what the CSM represents? Seriously Do you have any actual evidence of any CSM member using a CSM query made by another player to scam them or is it something you just dreamed up that they MIGHT do? Contrariwise, since when were the CSM members supposed to be of purest virtue within their normal in-game play? The CSM chair of the previous CSM, Mynxee, was a ruthless and implacable pirate, for instance. You're inventing a restriction on the in-game activity of CSM members that simply doesn't exist. It's like saying that the President isn't allowed to bluff when he plays his buddies at poker on a saturday night, because bluffing is nothing more than lying and scamming and that's not what a president should do!!!!!!11111 oneone
Hang on piracy and scamming is not the same thing... and president scamming his MATES and a President scamming his people is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, if he was found to be abusing his power, he would be removed from office.. The people would demand it..Simple...
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
617
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:01:00 -
[375] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Elise DarkStar wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:are you saying the actions of the mittani, his scamming etc is 'for the greater good' ??? really? Yes, or at the very least neutral. Wtf please explain the 'greater good' bit ....
Well for everyone one hurt-butte forum whiner like you, there are ten readers laughing their ass off at your foolishness, so the calculus felix is in effect. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:01:00 -
[376] - Quote
Elise DarkStar wrote:Malcanis wrote:You're inventing a restriction on the in-game activity of CSM members that simply doesn't exist. It's like saying that the President isn't allowed to bluff when he plays his buddies at poker on a saturday night, because bluffing is nothing more than lying and scamming and that's not what a president should do!!!!!!11111 oneone Excellent analogy. I wish I had thought of it.
Errr no its not, see my response..are you alt liking your own post Mal?
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:02:00 -
[377] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Elise DarkStar wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:are you saying the actions of the mittani, his scamming etc is 'for the greater good' ??? really? Yes, or at the very least neutral. Wtf please explain the 'greater good' bit .... Well for everyone one hurt-butte forum whiner like you, there are ten readers laughing their ass off at your foolishness, so the calculus felix is in effect.
Yeah great answer...oh dear...
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Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:03:00 -
[378] - Quote
The Apostle wrote: A real fighter... Not some dimwit standing on the street shooting his mouth off with 100 mates to back him up (analogy G&&ns).
Meh, I'll take my bushrangers like Captain Thunderbolt, a gentleman who left a life of ease (high sec) for thrills n spills (0.0). If I recall correctly, his dying words were his beloved's name.
The Kellys had more excuses than a pregnant nun.
Just sayin'.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
88
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:03:00 -
[379] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Malcanis wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Elise DarkStar wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:are you saying the actions of the mittani, his scamming etc is 'for the greater good' ??? really? Yes, or at the very least neutral. Wtf please explain the 'greater good' bit .... Well for everyone one hurt-butte forum whiner like you, there are ten readers laughing their ass off at your foolishness, so the calculus felix is in effect. Yeah great answer...oh dear...
Well, yes. I am not seeing you coming up anything greater.
GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/ |
Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:04:00 -
[380] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Goddess Ishtar wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Sorry goon posts dont interest me, infact this is the last one i shall reply to... Ah so you don't want an actual discussion...you just want to rant and hear back from your sock puppets. I must reply, i would like a NON BIASED discussion, sadly you cant do that... No you want a biased discussion as long as the bias is towards your loony theories
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Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
215
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:05:00 -
[381] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Feligast wrote:I guarantee the OP one thing.. if he were to physically drag Mittens into Hilmar's office and lay out his grievances and charges of scamming and ganking, Hilmar would look at Mittens, laugh, and throw the OP out of the building.
Mittens, and the CSM, don't make the game. They just play it. Well maybe hilmar should step down as CEO as well then...
Okay, now I know this is all a troll. Well played, good sir, you've got 19 pages and growing. I applaud you.
EDIT: 20 pages! |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
170
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:06:00 -
[382] - Quote
Can CCP close a thread where a person uses two hand puppets to have an argument with himself? Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
617
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:08:00 -
[383] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote: Hang on piracy and scamming is not the same thing... and president scamming his MATES and a President scamming his people is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, if he was found to be abusing his power, he would be removed from office.. The people would demand it..Simple...
Why is piracy different from scamming? Both are wholly legitimate, game-legal forms of PvP, not only permitted by CCP, but actively endorsed and even included in their public advertising for the game. Scamming is no worse than bluffing in poker; both are an attempt to play on your opponent's greed to make him think that he's going to trick you, when in fact it is he who is being tricked. It's very difficult to scam someone who doesn't secretly think that he's getting the best of the deal.
But even if scamming were somehow "worse" than piracy, so what? In-game play means nothing to someone's CSM position as long as they stay within the rules. What rules has mittens broken? None. What abuse has he made of his CSM position? From the actual evidence you've presented: NONE
If mittens has been misbehaving within the CSM, then produce your evidence.
So far all you've shown us is "Mittens is a goon; I hate goons; therefore mittens should not be on the CSM". Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Jen'Dar
Shodan Industries
0
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:10:00 -
[384] - Quote
[/quote]
You just dont get it do you...
[/quote]
Best thread ever.
You, OP, seem to be the only one here that is missing the point. EVE is pain and misery, wrapped up in scams and lawlessness.
It doesn't take very long to realise that the game is full of people, like Mittens, who enjoy these aspects of the game. Just because i dont go around scamming and ganking ice bots, doesn't mean it doesn't make me smile when it happens
I think you need to take a long hard look at what EVE means to you. are you here to have fun? are you still having fun? if not, perhaps you should be looking at other games that suit your playstyle better? may i suggest LEGO universe?
Those of us who love EVE, Love it for what it is.
Including the Mittani. do you think he would still be playing if he didn't love it? only a fool would say that he hasn't achieved anything while being on the CSM. the proof is there if you want to find it.
I fully support the Mittani, since all he is doing is continuing to make eve an interesting, evolving sandbox. and i do it without hiding behind an alt.
I may not trust him (you're an idiot if you do ), but i gotta give him full props for everything he has managed to achieve in EVE and as a member of CSM!
Long live Mittens, long live the CSM! |
Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
47
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:11:00 -
[385] - Quote
The fact that someone elected to represent me can do so both in spite of and by the very act of scamming me is what makes Eve so ******* great.
His scamming me in no way precludes him from representing my specific interests to CCP, and he is in fact representing my general interests by competing with me through scamming, killing, griefing, extorting (etc) me.
Again, if this doesn't make sense to you, then you don't understand this game.
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
170
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:11:00 -
[386] - Quote
Jen'Dar wrote:Quote:
You just dont get it do you...
Best thread ever. You, OP, seem to be the only one here that is missing the point. EVE is pain and misery, wrapped up in scams and lawlessness. It doesn't take very long to realise that the game is full of people, like Mittens, who enjoy these aspects of the game. Just because i dont go around scamming and ganking ice bots, doesn't mean it doesn't make me smile when it happens I think you need to take a long hard look at what EVE means to you. are you here to have fun? are you still having fun? if not, perhaps you should be looking at other games that suit your playstyle better? may i suggest LEGO universe? Those of us who love EVE, Love it for what it is. Including the Mittani. do you think he would still be playing if he didn't love it? only a fool would say that he hasn't achieved anything while being on the CSM. the proof is there if you want to find it. I fully support the Mittani, since all he is doing is continuing to make eve an interesting, evolving sandbox. and i do it without hiding behind an alt. I may not trust him (you're an idiot if you do ), but i gotta give him full props for everything he has managed to achieve in EVE and as a member of CSM! Long live Mittens, long live the CSM!
You are the one missing the point the op is an alt and you have just been trolled. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
69
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:12:00 -
[387] - Quote
Darn it's true.. Just Another Toon a Goon alt.
I bet you guys troll each other all the time on your own forums. I think a few Goons just got bored of doing this on your own forums and started this thread just to see how long you could keep it going. |
Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
99
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:13:00 -
[388] - Quote
I'm 95% convinced this whole thing is a troll by someone with too much time.
At this point, you are really only trolling yourself. |
Shadako
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:19:00 -
[389] - Quote
Dalloway Jones wrote:What are CSM supposed to do? Sit in a throne room in a station all day waving politely to the public?
Yes and reading Futa hentai. Anything else has no E HONORS. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
170
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:23:00 -
[390] - Quote
baby pigs are so cute why do they have to grow up Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
186
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:29:00 -
[391] - Quote
Perhaps the OP can tell us by what standards he judges members of the CSM? Why should they have to play this game by a more limited set of rules than the rest of us, all else equal? |
Jen'Dar
Shodan Industries
0
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:44:00 -
[392] - Quote
Renan Ruivo wrote:Jen'Dar wrote:Quote:
You just dont get it do you...
Best thread ever. You, OP, seem to be the only one here that is missing the point. EVE is pain and misery, wrapped up in scams and lawlessness. It doesn't take very long to realise that the game is full of people, like Mittens, who enjoy these aspects of the game. Just because i dont go around scamming and ganking ice bots, doesn't mean it doesn't make me smile when it happens I think you need to take a long hard look at what EVE means to you. are you here to have fun? are you still having fun? if not, perhaps you should be looking at other games that suit your playstyle better? may i suggest LEGO universe? Those of us who love EVE, Love it for what it is. Including the Mittani. do you think he would still be playing if he didn't love it? only a fool would say that he hasn't achieved anything while being on the CSM. the proof is there if you want to find it. I fully support the Mittani, since all he is doing is continuing to make eve an interesting, evolving sandbox. and i do it without hiding behind an alt. I may not trust him (you're an idiot if you do ), but i gotta give him full props for everything he has managed to achieve in EVE and as a member of CSM! Long live Mittens, long live the CSM! You are the one missing the point the op is an alt and you have just been trolled.
Trolling is also part of EVE, i can feed the troll if i want to... right?
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
171
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:44:00 -
[393] - Quote
Andski wrote:Perhaps the OP can tell us by what standards he judges members of the CSM? Why should they have to play this game by a more limited set of rules than the rest of us, all else equal?
quit trying, its looking stupid now Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
171
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:45:00 -
[394] - Quote
Jen'Dar wrote:Trolling is also part of EVE, i can feed the troll if i want to... right?
You ever saw that monty python sketch? Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
187
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 08:45:00 -
[395] - Quote
Renan Ruivo wrote:Andski wrote:Perhaps the OP can tell us by what standards he judges members of the CSM? Why should they have to play this game by a more limited set of rules than the rest of us, all else equal? quit trying, its looking stupid now
why the **** would a goon call his troll alt "Just Another Toon" cripes |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
171
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:49:00 -
[396] - Quote
Andski wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:Andski wrote:Perhaps the OP can tell us by what standards he judges members of the CSM? Why should they have to play this game by a more limited set of rules than the rest of us, all else equal? quit trying, its looking stupid now why the **** would a goon call his troll alt "Just Another Toon" cripes
so that he can use that argument xD Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
261
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:54:00 -
[397] - Quote
Renan Ruivo wrote:Andski wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:Andski wrote:Perhaps the OP can tell us by what standards he judges members of the CSM? Why should they have to play this game by a more limited set of rules than the rest of us, all else equal? quit trying, its looking stupid now why the **** would a goon call his troll alt "Just Another Toon" cripes so that he can use that argument xD
lol Goon alt..this is the funniest thing in this thread. |
DidntWantThatShipAnway
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
6
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:55:00 -
[398] - Quote
Dammit goons, I spent 15 minutes on this, so I'm going to post it, even if it is a troll.
I love how you pull the "greatest good" thing out of context.
"This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. "
"EVE issue awareness" is the subject of the sentence.
The CSM's job is to know what the problems with EVE are, to UNDERSTAND those problems, and EVALUATE them. The "context" that you so righteously cite, is the idea that those problems put forward as important by the CSM should represent things that when fixed, create the "greatest good for the greater player base".
To paraphrase, their job is to show CCP what needs to be fixed.
None of that has any relevance your being mad.
Please, don't read anything I'm writing, or reply to any one of the twenty or so valid counter-arguments that have been posted so far. Just keep spewing the same faulty logic over and over again, just like a fox news political analyst would.
Don't let me stop you from continuing to rant like a lunatic, we're all enjoying it immensely. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
261
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:57:00 -
[399] - Quote
DidntWantThatShipAnway wrote:I love how you pull the "greatest good" thing out of context.
"This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. "
"EVE issue awareness" is the subject of the sentence.
The CSM's job is to know what the problems with EVE are, to UNDERSTAND those problems, and EVALUATE them. The "context" that you so righteously cite, is the idea that those problems put forward as important by the CSM should represent things that when fixed, create the "greatest good for the greater player base".
To paraphrase, their job is to show CCP what needs to be fixed.
None of that has any relevance your being mad.
Please, don't read anything I'm writing, or reply to any one of the twenty or so valid counter-arguments that have been posted so far. Just keep spewing the same faulty logic over and over again, just like a fox news political analyst would.
Don't let me stop you from continuing to rant like a lunatic, we're all enjoying it immensely.
**update**
Thank you for the support - over 200 likes throughout the thread, keep them coming, and lets stand up to this. It should no longer be tolerated.
I guess 200 likes says your wrong
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Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security
27
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:58:00 -
[400] - Quote
So mutch goon vommit..... |
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
78
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Posted - 2011.10.17 09:10:00 -
[401] - Quote
If Mittani is removed from the CSm for using some in-game tactics then so should every other member of the CSM. OP should be banned from playing Eve as he has deliberately done in game things that have caused untold grief to other pllayers (in game) and in fact everyone who has ever egaged in PVP should also be banned, The use of in-game tactics is thoroughly unfair.
Everyone should be permabanned from Eve. Icluding me. |
Gheng Kondur
Serva Fidem
2
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Posted - 2011.10.17 09:13:00 -
[402] - Quote
Simple fact I knew before I joined the game, unless you are a goon, you can't trust a goon.
Not my style of play and not tactics I like, but hey, this is a sandbox and if they enjoy, they can carry on doing it. If I get scammed or ganked by a goon I only have myself to blame as I know what they are.
Mittani was a goon before he was elected and is still playing the same way, nothing unfair about that, it's democracy.
While I won't agree with all his suggestions and work on CSM, and don't agree with his outlook on the game, he is free to have his opinion and as voted in represent those views on CSM.
If you don't accept that, stand for CSM next time. From my perspective though anybody willing to stand as a politician automatically can't be trusted by default, but in a democratic process you have as much right as him to stand and represent a different view.
Meanwhile he can carry on being who he is and a goon, which is what he's always been. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Placid PI Thundering Herd
24
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Posted - 2011.10.17 09:14:00 -
[403] - Quote
Yuppers. He needs to go.
An insane man who needs a THERAPIST BADLY.
The ORIGINAL motive about Gallente Ice (blah blah blah) was valid, but now he has utterly lost his mind. God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 09:18:00 -
[404] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:
**update**
Thank you for the support - over 200 likes throughout the thread, keep them coming, and lets stand up to this. It should no longer be tolerated.
I guess 200 likes says your wrong
out of 2500 views thats potentially 2,300 dislikes if the button was available. Nuff said with your agument really don't you think?
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
265
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Posted - 2011.10.17 09:21:00 -
[405] - Quote
malcovas Henderson wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
**update**
Thank you for the support - over 200 likes throughout the thread, keep them coming, and lets stand up to this. It should no longer be tolerated.
I guess 200 likes says your wrong
out of 2500 views thats potentially 2,300 dislikes if the button was available. Nuff said with your agument really don't you think?
LOL no it doesnt quite work like that, and see many have multiple posted...like how you try to derail the support through a useless post...keep trying..support is growing... |
Zleon Leigh
13
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Posted - 2011.10.17 09:28:00 -
[406] - Quote
Alara IonStorm wrote:Scamming and Ganking are allowed. If you trust someone because of a Title you should stop doing that immediately.
Being an A$$hole is not grounds for removal from office, just ask any elected official anywhere at anytime. If you do not like him then ether find a real crime that is against the rules and provide evidence or wait till his term expires and vote him out next term.
Actually it is - that's why most elected positions have a recall provision tied to it. You never know when someone's going to let power go to their head. Problem is, as far as I know, CCP didn't put in a recall mechanism in the CSM structure - big mistake.
Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital. |
Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2011.10.17 09:28:00 -
[407] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:LOL no it doesnt quite work like that, and see many have multiple posted...like how you try to derail the support through a useless post...keep trying..support is growing... Do you think after a certain number of people "like" your post that CCP will remove Mittens from the CSM?
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Banroh
Fleet of the Damned Legion of The Damned.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.17 09:29:00 -
[408] - Quote
Every community has to have one Silvio Berlusconi = universal balance |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
274
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Posted - 2011.10.17 09:34:00 -
[409] - Quote
Goddess Ishtar wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:LOL no it doesnt quite work like that, and see many have multiple posted...like how you try to derail the support through a useless post...keep trying..support is growing... Do you think after a certain number of people "like" your post that CCP will remove Mittens from the CSM?
I would believe that given the support CCP would launch an official investigation, or if people had given support The Mittani would step down..
Seems we need to have an 'Internal Affairs' type group.....
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Kell Tarhun
Lamb Federation Navy Against ALL Authorities
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 09:42:00 -
[410] - Quote
+1
In my humble opinion all CSM idea should be kicked not just one representative Lets start from Mittani... |
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
28
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:07:00 -
[411] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Just Another Toon wrote: But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.
I ran for CSM on a platform of explicitly being a manipulative bastard, because it takes someone like me to actually bring CCP around to reason. So far, so good!
As much as I normally can't stand this emotionally-childish, self-aggrandising little doos, and his crew of (with certain exceptions) drooling, braying lemmings--so pitifully earnest, so loudly, nai'ively eager to be with the cool-kids! So. Utterly.Pitiful.--I have to agree here.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
526
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:08:00 -
[412] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:The issue isnt wth the scamming or attacking whatever, its about players seeing these people as people they can trust! But they use this position of trust to abuse the game, such as scamming. Where is the abuse? How is it connected to their position of trust?
Quote:Your represent everything that is bad about eve. Everything! Really? What are they representing? How is it bad for EVE?
Quote:Oh that is rubbish, and you still represent Goons full stop, Goons are about scamming GǪand with that knowledge in hand, how does Mittens abuse his position of trust in-game when he scams? He's doing exactly what everyone expects him to do GÇö that's about as trustworthy as it gets.
Quote:Do you think its right that the chair of the CSM, who is supposed to represent the playerbase, and act for the 'greater good' of the playerbase, uses his position to scam people in game? Is he? You have yet to provide even the minutest shred of evidence that he does.
Where's the abuse? How is it connected to his Gǣposition of trustGǥ? GǪin fact, why on earth do you believe that being CSM chair is a position of trust?
Quote:I guess 200 likes says your wrong No it does not. It means a very small minority of people GÇö overall and in this thread GÇö agrees with you. You might also want to note that only 39 people agree with your actual issue declaration, and these people are most likely then repeating that like in other posts you make. So all in all, that's 39 likes out of 2,700 views. That's pretty darn poor a resultGǪ
But sure, if you want to play the GÇ£likesGÇ¥ game, my 524 likes, Malc's 617 likes, not to mention Mitten's 1000+ likes says you're wrongGǪ Most likely because you are unable to explain where the abuse is, how it is connected to this supposed position of trust, and, in general, what the problem is. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
618
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:08:00 -
[413] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Goddess Ishtar wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:LOL no it doesnt quite work like that, and see many have multiple posted...like how you try to derail the support through a useless post...keep trying..support is growing... Do you think after a certain number of people "like" your post that CCP will remove Mittens from the CSM? I would believe that given the support CCP would launch an official investigation, or if people had given support The Mittani would step down.. Seems we need to have an 'Internal Affairs' type group.....
An official investigation of what? That you don't like him? You can't even post with your main... Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Prince Kobol
53
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:09:00 -
[414] - Quote
I think the Mittani and the Goons have done Eve proud by helping to remove the shackles of bondage from all those poor ice miners :)
Also as for people being scammed by any member of the goons, I call that Darwin's Theory of Evolution - Natural Selection |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
526
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:10:00 -
[415] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:I would believe that given the support CCP would launch an official investigation What? Based on what 39 people think? LMAO, dream on.
You need to actually present something for them to investigate first, and then build some support around that.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
526
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:10:00 -
[416] - Quote
Cedille Mureau wrote:Damn, how many times do I have to post this? I don't know. Where is it from?
Moreover, where does it say that the CSM is somehow magically different from all other elected representative bodies in the history of mankind and that they must uphold JAT's rather unrealistic ideal? They represent society's interests GÇö society, as always, being those who choose to vote.
Emphasizing the context of GÇ£the greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥ doesn't lead anywhere until you show any kind of evidence that they're not doing that GÇö what issues have they not addressed in the context of the greater good for the player base?. Also, as Malc points out, that is the work of the CSM GÇö the issue here is their actions in-game, which have nothing to do with that non-sourced quote.
Quote:The CSM is not a vehicle for massaging the egos of its members nor should it be the means whereby a minority of the game gets an unfair advantage. SoGǪ where's the abuse? What unfair advantage is being gained
Quote:The point being that CCP set up the CSM to represent the whole of the EVE players base and not as has happened to further the aims of a minority who happen to get most of the CSM members elected. What minority aims have been furthered over the majority's? Who is the majority (and the minority, for that matter)? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
618
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:10:00 -
[417] - Quote
Ignore Tippia, as she is a proven liar. The evidence is in this very thread.
She has 525 likes, not 524. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Darkdell
The Sci-Clone Experiment
13
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:12:00 -
[418] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:The problem i have with Mittani as the head of the CSM is that he is a high-profile alliance leader, and i doubt that he would agree with changes for the sake of balance, if said changes were to somehow interfere with his own alliance, or disagree with changes that would affect his enemies more than it would his own ally. He cannot have an impartial opinion on most subjects he deals with as a CSM member.
But unfortunatly that is in the nature of the CSM election. Besides being chairman doesnt mean he gets the final word, only that he gets to pass it on. This CSM has some very good members, like seleene and white tree, and i trust their judgement. This is foolish and uninformed. Goonswarm has one of the largest supercap fleets in the game, as well as some of the largest technetium holdings. I've vehemently advocated for nerfing both, loudly and in public. You're welcome to spew your tinfoil theories though. But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.
Of course he's happy to manipulate the game, he's the leader of the largest aliance in EVE, if he wasn't trying to manipulate the game internally for the benefit of his members then he wouldn't be doing his job.
Eve is about manipulation, power has always been about manipulation. There is nothing to stop me or you deciding that we are going to wage a war of extreme prejudice against spider tanking imacus fleets. The major difference is when the Mittani decides to kill ice miners, for whatever reason, he has an army of players that trust his decisions so they go kill ice miners..or whatever.
If anything most would-be leaders in this game need to look at what The Mittani has achieved and see if there are any lessons they may learn on their chosen path to greatness.
It appears to me that many people miss the beauty and creative freedom of EVE.
And for the record I'm not a Goon or a Goon alt, and yes this is my main.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
526
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:14:00 -
[419] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Ignore Tippia, as she is a proven liar. The evidence is in this very thread.
She has 525 likes, not 524. It was true when I wrote itGǪ
Dammit, things happen so fast these days. Damn kids! Git off ma' lawn!! GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
430
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:19:00 -
[420] - Quote
This thread is ****** now.
Tippia is here with "where", "what", "how" and "why" for the next 3 fn pages.
Enjoy. I'll see ya'll tomorrow. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
171
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:21:00 -
[421] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Malcanis wrote:Ignore Tippia, as she is a proven liar. The evidence is in this very thread.
She has 525 likes, not 524. It was true when I wrote itGǪ Dammit, things happen so fast these days. Damn kids! Git off ma' lawn!!
i know rite i've stated several times i don't want no ******* likes but they keep spreading like rabbits Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Aud Actori
Ciomach Industry
0
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:24:00 -
[422] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:
I would believe that given the support CCP would launch an official investigation, or if people had given support The Mittani would step down..
It is incredibly nieve to either hope or expect The Mittani or any of the other CSMs to step down or to be expelled for 'playing the game'.
Actions such as the Goon ice interdiction, whilst being inconvienient, are actually welcomed by many miners, as their profits increase so long as they don't AFK mine, and the bot miners suffer greater losses.
As to scamming, this game is like the real world when it comes to trade... a fool and his money deserve to be parted.
You may not like what The Mittani represents in game, and by inference, other CSMs too. However, the CSMs do represent a large proportion of the long term player base, and that can not really be disputed.
I think its pretty obvious that you need to stop whinging, and instead wait until the next CSM election, where you can stand for election as a CSM representative, and argue your case against The Mittani. If enough players agree with your arguments, I'm sure that at the very least you'll have a position on the CSM so you can argue for measures to be introduced to overhaul the way in which the CSM is elected.
Just Another Toon, you are a troll ! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
526
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:25:00 -
[423] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:This thread is ****** now. Tippia is here with "where", "what", "how" and "why" for the next 3 fn pages. No. Only until someone actually manages to answer them.
That may be this page, if they actually have any answers (unlikely), or never, if they don't (very likely). It's only the fundamental issue of the thread, so one might intuitively believe that they actually knew what the problem was that they were crying about, but experience has shown that this is very rarely the case. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:27:00 -
[424] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote: Thank you for the support - over 200 likes throughout the thread, keep them coming, and lets stand up to this. It should no longer be tolerated.
I guess 200 likes says your wrong
I just Liked Mittens 20 Times in this Thread.
The System Works!
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Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:29:00 -
[425] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:This thread is ****** now. Tippia is here with "where", "what", "how" and "why" for the next 3 fn pages. Enjoy. I'll see ya'll tomorrow. So you're scared of Tippia just like you're scared of afk cloakers?
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Cailais
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
47
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:32:00 -
[426] - Quote
Dear Op,
An excellent troll! 22 pages eh? You sir win the forums for this week!!!
C.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
619
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:32:00 -
[427] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:This thread is ****** now. Tippia is here with "where", "what", "how" and "why" for the next 3 fn pages. Enjoy. I'll see ya'll tomorrow.
Oh look, Apostle abandoning a thread when he's asked to substantiate his bizzarro-world accusations.
This should make the news. Someone alert Riverini. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics BRABODEN
255
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:41:00 -
[428] - Quote
I'd like to see this operation move on to another batch of obnoxious bots eventually - the endless parade of Bestowers and Magnates birthing themseles from the exit holes of stations housing L4 hauling agents for R&D corps in high sec. |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
51
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:41:00 -
[429] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:If a person contacts a CSM about anything in game, most players would expect to be treat with honesty.
And this is where you are wrong, right here. If someone contacts a CSM about game mechanics and the CSM abuses the rules for gain, then IA would be all over them, and they would get the banhammer. But, if that same person contacts a CSM about playing the game, and gets scammed or griefed, then where is the abuse? No, friend, you are just too afraid to admit that you got suckered.
Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
29
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:43:00 -
[430] - Quote
Ajunyx wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote: Do you realize that this is basically what ****** (the chancellor of Germany btw 1933 and 1945) was saying ?
:SIREN: GODWIN :SIREN:
Yeah, but Godwin is a tool, too.
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
29
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:53:00 -
[431] - Quote
Nariya Kentaya wrote:let's all instead talk about something we can all agree on!
Pie is good, my favorite is pumpkin, what is yours?
BTW if the mittani DOES NOT like pie, then maybe he shouldnt be CSM, and if OP doesnt like pie, OP should unsub.
but honestly, does this thread even have a point anymore? im starting to think OP has no proof beyond their own butthurt-ness that Mittani should be removed.
I'm old school about that sort of thing: The ole' reliables, peach or apple...can't go wrong! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
530
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Posted - 2011.10.17 11:02:00 -
[432] - Quote
Mortis vonShadow wrote:No, friend, you are just too afraid to admit that you got suckered. And that's really the sad conclusion. All of this teeth-gnashing, all the throwing the toys out of the pram, and this entire tantrumGǪ
GǪall because he couldn't figure out that the scammer CEO of Scamers Incorporated (with its byline of GÇ£we blow you up and/or take your money and then laugh at you while we go for a second tryGÇ¥) might GÇö gasp! GÇö be an in-game scammer! Shock! Horror!
All of this is just an extension of his attempts to try to justify his not thinking clearly at all by concocting this tenuous connection between a player's out-of-game position and his in-game actions and imposing on it some arbitrary rules that he has dreamed up for the sole purpose of creating a serious breach of trust, should those non-existing rules be broken.
Also, run-on sentences are good for you. Or some such. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Barry Buckmaster
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 11:03:00 -
[433] - Quote
From Jita local:
Just Another Toon > https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=22324&find=unread - IMPORTANT - Please show your support - CLICK LIKE ON THE POST
SO, Just Another Toon, Do you honestly think that anyone at CCP is going to sack The Mittani from the CSM because you can get people to click like on your post? How long will you be spamming jita? Is that seriously what your eve has turned into.
You do realise that his actions in game, all these tear posts and drama is wonderful advertisement for this game. It is the cornerstone of eve online. It is literally how most of us came to play this game. Reading the epic stories of this wonderful sandbox. There are those that raze and burn, and those that are victims. There are victims that take it on the chin and understand that it is eve and learn from their mistakes. Then there are those that post threads like yours, trying to bring the villain down to get vengeance but to all of us bystanders its painfully obvious that you got done son. The more your inner rage burns and you try to bring justice from your 'clever' posting the more entertaining it is for the majority of us.
I cant help but think you are THAT GUY who got titan-scammed for 80bil. heh. Surely all this effort isn't over some exhumer. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
29
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Posted - 2011.10.17 11:05:00 -
[434] - Quote
Headerman wrote:Well this has got me so excited i am going to go over the road and get a coffee.
Anyone want one?
If there's a Timmy's near you, then could you make mine a double-double, black, size large? I suspect I'll need it for this threadnought
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ThisIsntMyMain
Republic University Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2011.10.17 11:08:00 -
[435] - Quote
Malcanis wrote: This should make the news. Someone alert Riverini.
Riverini reports news ? Wonder why it took him so long to report the Gallente ice Interdiction? Wonder when he'll get round to reporting it properly ?
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Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2011.10.17 11:08:00 -
[436] - Quote
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:If there's a Timmy's near you, then could you make mine a double-double, black, size large? I suspect I'll need it for this threadnought TT w Milk XL in a Double Cup.
I <3 Timmy's
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
29
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Posted - 2011.10.17 11:12:00 -
[437] - Quote
Alara IonStorm wrote:What was it about before Coffee?
Speaking of which I can not wake up w/o a XL Tim Hortons Double Double with Milk Double Cupped.
Canada's Crack.
Pie, I think? Or was it cake...As we used to say here in A(sshole)lberta when I was growing up: You know it, eh!
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
29
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Posted - 2011.10.17 11:18:00 -
[438] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:
[pubbie this, pubbie that, and as well, something else involving pubbies, whatever those actually are...]
Mate: Last summer called, it wants its' meme back...Just sayin'.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
533
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Posted - 2011.10.17 11:20:00 -
[439] - Quote
Barry Buckmaster wrote:SO, Just Another Toon, How long will you be spamming jita? Is that seriously what your eve has turned into. Do you honestly think that anyone at CCP is going to sack The Mittani from the CSM because you can get people to click like on your post? Considering that he's now up to a massive 40 GÇ£toonsGÇ¥ supporting him, even after his efforts, I think the game is in pretty good shape as it is. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Via Shivon
Kriegsmarinewerft Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.10.17 11:23:00 -
[440] - Quote
gtfo and play kitty online if you dont like eve someone playing LEGAL eve and mechanics is the bad boy? lol
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
29
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Posted - 2011.10.17 11:25:00 -
[441] - Quote
Chopper Rollins wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
:deep breath:
just a second, i've got the mittani on the phone. here, let me pass it to you.
:over speakers:
"hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!"
I'd rather have someone who knows what hes doing but disagrees with my opinions at the helm than some absolute moron with similar goals. anyone your average highsec pubbie would vote for would, in all likelihood, only understand a fraction of the game and have a tenacious at best grasp of it. Quoted for perfectly cromulent use of the word tenacious.
Indeed..I bet it made him feel embiggened, though, eh?
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Midge Mo'yb
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2011.10.17 11:37:00 -
[442] - Quote
Mittens represents the citizens of new eden that woke up and went to the polling booths (+3 votes from me).
if you didn't vote for him, he doesn't answer to you - nor care about you. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
292
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 11:53:00 -
[443] - Quote
Via Shivon wrote:gtfo and play kitty online if you dont like eve someone playing LEGAL eve and mechanics is the bad boy? lol
Yawn
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Shawnm339
Galactic Shipyards Inc NEM3SIS.
10
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Posted - 2011.10.17 11:57:00 -
[444] - Quote
OP get laid soon........you are investing way to much time and effort in an internet game... |
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
10
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:04:00 -
[445] - Quote
Holy ****, almost 300 likes and spamming Jita... change is clearly in the wind.
For the record I am a player with no affiliation to goons other than fighting wars against them back in '05-'06 or so, and I'm 100% in favor of the CSM chair scamming in game. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
535
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:07:00 -
[446] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Yawn Now that you've added some extra oxygen to your brain, maybe you're ready to answer these questions:
Where's the abuse? How is it connected to his GÇ£position of trustGÇ¥?
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
295
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:07:00 -
[447] - Quote
Shawnm339 wrote:OP get laid soon........you are investing way to much time and effort in an internet game...
for the record, i do, every day, twice a day...
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
295
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:08:00 -
[448] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Yawn Now that you've added some extra oxygen to your brain, maybe you're ready to answer these questions: Where's the abuse? How is it connected to his GÇ£position of trustGÇ¥?
oh god, you're back.. havent you said something already? or you back to your usual forum trolling?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
535
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:11:00 -
[449] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:for the record, i do, every day, twice a day... We know. After all, you're a nameless alt so obviously your main is wasting time and effort as well, and that makes it twice a day for you.
Now, about those questions you're unable to answerGǪ
Quote:oh god, you're back Yes. You still have no answers, I gather. Well, it's nice to know that you agree that there is no actual issue here.
Also, you don't need to refer to me as God. My ego isn't quite that swollen yet. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
52
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:11:00 -
[450] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Shawnm339 wrote:OP get laid soon........you are investing way to much time and effort in an internet game... for the record, i do, every day, twice a day... Your hand doesn't count Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
295
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:15:00 -
[451] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:for the record, i do, every day, twice a day... We know. After all, you're a nameless alt so obviously your main is wasting time and effort as well, and that makes it twice a day for you. Now, about those questions you're unable to answerGǪ Quote:oh god, you're back Yes. You still have no answers, I gather. Well, it's nice to know that you agree that there is no actual issue here. Also, you don't need to refer to me as God. My ego isn't quite that swollen yet.
Why dont you try read the forums....are you in love with Mittani or something, you seem to be constantly kissing his ass in this thread, also 730 likes to this post, i think it proves the support this is getting....so this will be the last time i will reply to your troll, so please dont expect any
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
90
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:16:00 -
[452] - Quote
Posting my anti-support for this thread and the OP.
Without badguys, what would Eve be all about? Fleeting up to shoot npcs?
If anyone "gets" Eve, its Mittens, not you. I'm quite happy with him as chair of the CSM.
This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
295
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:17:00 -
[453] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:Posting my anti-support for this thread and the OP.
Without badguys, what would Eve be all about? Fleeting up to shoot npcs?
If anyone "gets" Eve, its Mittens, not you. I'm quite happy with him as chair of the CSM.
750 likes disagree with you. sorry...support is growing... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
535
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:19:00 -
[454] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Why dont you try read the forums. Already doing that.
Now, about those questions: Where's the abuse? How is it connected to his GÇ£position of trustGÇ¥?
Why are they so hard for you to answer? Is it because there is no abuse? Is it because it (whatever GÇ£itGÇ¥ is) is not connected to his GÇ£position of trustGÇ¥?
Quote:also 730 likes to this post, i think it proves the support this is getting. You mean those 41 that agree with your OP? No, it doesn't show that much. That's about 1% of the readers of the thread.
Quote:750 likes disagree with you. Oh dearGǪ you do know that those includes all the likes for people who do not agree with you, right? So yeah, if you want to count that way: 750 likes disagree with you. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
52
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:20:00 -
[455] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:War Kitten wrote:Posting my anti-support for this thread and the OP.
Without badguys, what would Eve be all about? Fleeting up to shoot npcs?
If anyone "gets" Eve, its Mittens, not you. I'm quite happy with him as chair of the CSM.
750 likes disagree with you. sorry...support is growing...
To Mittens what? 20,000 people that support him. You have a looong way to go.
Your problem isn't that you don't get it, your problem is, you can't sell it.
Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
10
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:20:00 -
[456] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:War Kitten wrote:Posting my anti-support for this thread and the OP.
Without badguys, what would Eve be all about? Fleeting up to shoot npcs?
If anyone "gets" Eve, its Mittens, not you. I'm quite happy with him as chair of the CSM.
750 likes disagree with you. sorry...support is growing...
I think you'll find people like the thread because you are either: 1- entertaining troll 2- a complete idiot
Either way, good read. I certainly like this thread though I don't agree with what the OP is saying. |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
256
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:21:00 -
[457] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Shawnm339 wrote:OP get laid soon........you are investing way to much time and effort in an internet game... for the record, i do, every day, twice a day...
Just so that we don't get another one of these threads in the future ("Whaaa, my mommy told me getting laid meant something different"), you do know that "getting laid" doesn't mean laying down in your bed, right? Cause I am thinking that works out right, once for your afternoon nap, and then once for your bedtime.
This whole thread is stupid. Being on the CSM does have restrictions, but those only extend to not using our advance knowledge of game changes to make a profit, and the NDA. We certainly didn't sign any sort of "I will not scam" promise. You might want to focus some of your impotent forum rage on the CSM alternate that got his seat by scamming folks, Darius III. CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog What does CSM 6 do? |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
305
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:21:00 -
[458] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Why dont you try read the forums. Already doing that. Now, about those questions: Where's the abuse? How is it connected to his GÇ£position of trustGÇ¥? Why are they so hard for you to answer? Is it because there is no abuse? Is it because it (whatever GÇ£itGÇ¥ is) is not connected to his GÇ£position of trustGÇ¥? Quote:also 730 likes to this post, i think it proves the support this is getting. You mean those 41 that agree with your OP? No, it doesn't show that much. That's about 1% of the readers of the thread.
Hmm Tippia give you some advice, I know its hard for you, and I understand your probably 12 years old. But go to the front page of General Discussion. Got it? Right Now look at the 'Likes' for this post.. got it? Can you read that?
I think you should stop your looking stupid now.. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
305
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:23:00 -
[459] - Quote
Two step wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Shawnm339 wrote:OP get laid soon........you are investing way to much time and effort in an internet game... for the record, i do, every day, twice a day... Just so that we don't get another one of these threads in the future ("Whaaa, my mommy told me getting laid meant something different"), you do know that "getting laid" doesn't mean laying down in your bed, right? Cause I am thinking that works out right, once for your afternoon nap, and then once for your bedtime. This whole thread is stupid. Being on the CSM does have restrictions, but those only extend to not using our advance knowledge of game changes to make a profit, and the NDA. We certainly didn't sign any sort of "I will not scam" promise. You might want to focus some of your impotent forum rage on the CSM alternate that got his seat by scamming folks, Darius III.
nearly 300 likes say your wrong... and disagree with you. you are obviously abusing your position with that statement...Maybe the whole CSM is corrupt then... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
535
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:24:00 -
[460] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Hmm Tippia give you some advice, I know its hard for you, and I understand your probably 12 years old. But go to the front page of General Discussion. Got it? Right Now look at the 'Likes' for this post.. got it? Can you read that? Yes. It says this thread has received 742 likes at the time of writing. Those are not likes towards you but towards posts made in this thread, for and against you. So if you want to falsely claim that 750 people agree with you based on the like count for the thread, then guess what? I can equally claim that 750 people disagree with you.
Your OP, on the other hand, has 41 likes. Out of 3,200 views. That's very very low. Your issue is not getting much traction, largely because you haven't actually presented any issueGǪ
Quote:I think you should stop your looking stupid now.. I think you should answer the following questions now:
Where's the abuse? How is it connected to his GÇ£position of trustGÇ¥? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
53
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:25:00 -
[461] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Two step wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Shawnm339 wrote:OP get laid soon........you are investing way to much time and effort in an internet game... for the record, i do, every day, twice a day... Just so that we don't get another one of these threads in the future ("Whaaa, my mommy told me getting laid meant something different"), you do know that "getting laid" doesn't mean laying down in your bed, right? Cause I am thinking that works out right, once for your afternoon nap, and then once for your bedtime. This whole thread is stupid. Being on the CSM does have restrictions, but those only extend to not using our advance knowledge of game changes to make a profit, and the NDA. We certainly didn't sign any sort of "I will not scam" promise. You might want to focus some of your impotent forum rage on the CSM alternate that got his seat by scamming folks, Darius III. nearly 800 likes say your wrong... and disagree with you. you are obviously abusing your position with that statement...Maybe the whole CSM is corrupt then...
WOW, now you're accusing the whole CSM of being corrupt. I think CCP should ban you and your accounts for harrassment.
Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
307
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:25:00 -
[462] - Quote
Mortis vonShadow wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:War Kitten wrote:Posting my anti-support for this thread and the OP.
Without badguys, what would Eve be all about? Fleeting up to shoot npcs?
If anyone "gets" Eve, its Mittens, not you. I'm quite happy with him as chair of the CSM.
750 likes disagree with you. sorry...support is growing... To Mittens what? 20,000 people that support him. You have a looong way to go. Your problem isn't that you don't get it, your problem is, you can't sell it.
20,000 where do you get that from? |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
307
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:26:00 -
[463] - Quote
Mortis vonShadow wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Two step wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Shawnm339 wrote:OP get laid soon........you are investing way to much time and effort in an internet game... for the record, i do, every day, twice a day... Just so that we don't get another one of these threads in the future ("Whaaa, my mommy told me getting laid meant something different"), you do know that "getting laid" doesn't mean laying down in your bed, right? Cause I am thinking that works out right, once for your afternoon nap, and then once for your bedtime. This whole thread is stupid. Being on the CSM does have restrictions, but those only extend to not using our advance knowledge of game changes to make a profit, and the NDA. We certainly didn't sign any sort of "I will not scam" promise. You might want to focus some of your impotent forum rage on the CSM alternate that got his seat by scamming folks, Darius III. nearly 800 likes say your wrong... and disagree with you. you are obviously abusing your position with that statement...Maybe the whole CSM is corrupt then... WOW, now you're accusing the whole CSM of being corrupt. I think CCP should ban you and your accounts for harrassment.
They are corrupt... |
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
10
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:26:00 -
[464] - Quote
OP: on the day the current CSM term is over and you realize you've affected nothing, can you please come back here and tell us what it's like to be a failure?
thanks |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
307
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:26:00 -
[465] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Hmm Tippia give you some advice, I know its hard for you, and I understand your probably 12 years old. But go to the front page of General Discussion. Got it? Right Now look at the 'Likes' for this post.. got it? Can you read that? Yes. It says this thread has received 742 likes at the time of writing. Those are not likes towards you but towards posts made in this thread, for and against you. Your OP, on the other hand, has 41 likes. Out of 3,200 views. That's very very low. Your issue is not getting much traction, largely because you haven't actually presented any issueGǪ Quote:I think you should stop your looking stupid now.. I think you should answer the following questions now: Where's the abuse? How is it connected to his Gǣposition of trustGǥ?
Actually tippia my personal like on this are at nearly 300...just saying |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
535
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:27:00 -
[466] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:They are corrupt... In what way? Where's the abuse? How is it connected to his GÇ£position of trustGÇ¥?
Quote:Actually tippia my personal like on this are at nearly 300...just saying So? Based on your logic, 750 people disagree with your position. If you want to dispute that number, you have to dispute your own claim, so please GÇö go right ahead. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security
27
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:32:00 -
[467] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:They are corrupt... In what way? Where's the abuse? How is it connected to his GÇ£position of trustGÇ¥? Quote:Actually tippia my personal like on this are at nearly 300...just saying So? Based on your logic, 750 people disagree with your position. If you want to dispute that number, you have to dispute your own claim, so please GÇö go right ahead.
Are you mittens alt ?
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Ryvius
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:33:00 -
[468] - Quote
This protest is based on shortsighted and poorly researched perspectives. Fact is that Mitanni holds himself to all the rules. I didn't hear any of you thanking him when he made a stand for EVE players this summer. The lack of gratitude is apalling.
It is like saying the earth is flat, just because it looks that way from your location on the planet. Atleast take the entire context into your story. |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:35:00 -
[469] - Quote
These threads just keep on coming |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
535
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:36:00 -
[470] - Quote
Vaffel Junior wrote:Are you mittens alt ? That's a new one. Usually, it's other people who are supposedly my alts.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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lilol' me
Comply Or Die
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:37:00 -
[471] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:They are corrupt... In what way? Where's the abuse? How is it connected to his GÇ£position of trustGÇ¥? Quote:Actually tippia my personal like on this are at nearly 300...just saying So? Based on your logic, 750 people disagree with your position. If you want to dispute that number, you have to dispute your own claim, so please GÇö go right ahead.
Who is this guy? Doesnt he ever shut up? Hes like a petulant kid. I think the OP is right, go read the whole thread. If you cant understand it then you I agree you need to stop posting.
I for one agree with OP, its not right +1 from me, keep going and ignore all the goon/alts m8...
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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
53
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:38:00 -
[472] - Quote
+1 to the GOONS for attacking us hisec miners. Keep up the good work. Make these children cry! I'm loving it. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Mr R4nd0m
Ministry Of Mining And Industry Shit.Happens
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:38:00 -
[473] - Quote
lilol' me wrote:Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:They are corrupt... In what way? Where's the abuse? How is it connected to his GÇ£position of trustGÇ¥? Quote:Actually tippia my personal like on this are at nearly 300...just saying So? Based on your logic, 750 people disagree with your position. If you want to dispute that number, you have to dispute your own claim, so please GÇö go right ahead. Who is this guy? Doesnt he ever shut up? Hes like a petulant kid. I think the OP is right, go read the whole thread. If you cant understand it then you I agree you need to stop posting. I for one agree with OP, its not right +1 from me, keep going and ignore all the goon/alts m8...
+1 here here |
White Tree
Broski Federation Elite Space Guild
355
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:38:00 -
[474] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:
They are corrupt...
Show me specifically where I have been 'corrupt'. |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:40:00 -
[475] - Quote
White Tree wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
They are corrupt...
Show me specifically where I have been 'corrupt'. THIS IS NOT THE TIME FOR EVIDENCE OR FACT!
VIVA LA REVOLUTION! |
WisdomLikeSilence
The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League
53
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:41:00 -
[476] - Quote
This reminds me of that thread where some guy was complaining that his spaceship got blown up EVEN THOUGH HE WAS JUST MINDING HIS OWN BUSINESS.
A large number of People play eve to do bad things to other people and not get arrested. Some of those bad things involve "murder". Some involve "larceny". I find it hilarious that the OP complains about Mittens morals concerning the latter rather than the former. Goons destroy thousands of ships in "battles" - wheres the nerdrage?
If you want a game where nothing bad happens to anyone, seriously try wii sports or something (but not the boxing - its "violent"). |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
537
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:42:00 -
[477] - Quote
lilol' me wrote:Who is this guy? I'm Tippia. Hello. o/
Quote:Doesnt he ever shut up? Not until the OP is able to respond to these very simple questions that would provide some kind of reasoning or proof behind the random blather spewed in the OP:
In what way are they corrupt? Where's the abuse? How is it connected to their GÇ£positions of trustGÇ¥?
Quote:I think the OP is right, go read the whole thread. I have. That's how I've managed to be part of it since the beginning. That's also how I know that he hasn't answered those very fundamental questions.
Mr R4nd0m wrote:here here Where where? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Psilocin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:42:00 -
[478] - Quote
White Tree wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
They are corrupt...
Show me specifically where I have been 'corrupt'.
By being a goonie alt of course, duh |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
47
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:44:00 -
[479] - Quote
White Tree wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
They are corrupt...
Show me specifically where I have been 'corrupt'.
You mean except pushing agendas that benefit only the huge nullsec alliances, like removing all high end ore from WH-space? |
Sir Substance
Tactical Knightmare
63
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:44:00 -
[480] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:I suppose I am referring to the branch of Darwinism called "survival of the fittest". Poster I was referring to stated if he got scammed and burned to the ground he'd still vote for the doer of such evils I am going to explain this to you once, and once only. Taking into account your limited intelligence, I shall describe it thus:
Survival of the fittest is a statement based on the concept that all other variables being equal, the creature most suited to its environment has the greatest chance of reproducing.
Lets imagine a world with two creates living on it. It is a cold world, and one of the two creatures (lets call them coldies) is well adapted for the cold. polar bear style fur, lots of fat etc.
The others, referred to as warmies, are badly adapted for cold environments. They have no hair and no fat.
If neither of these two species is sentient, then the coldies will survive, and the warmies will inevitably die out. Survival of the fittest.
However, if the warmies are sentient, they might choose to dump billions of tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere, creating an enhanced greenhouse effect to warm the planet. The result is that the coldies die out, despite being better adapted for their planet.
The warmies modified their environment to suit their inferior survivability, and in doing so, removed the principal of survival of the fittest from the equation.
Every day in eve, people well suited to the game give up and leave because people less well suited but more experienced use tools to beat them.
Infact, eve doesn't actually have an environment. In darwinism, if you make everyone sit still and do nothing, one species will still emerge better adapted. In eve, if you sit everyone still, nothing happens and noone dies.
So, from this, understand that darwinism does not, never has and never will exist in eve. The fact that you think it does means someone else has tricked you into thinking that, probably in an attempt to manipulate you.
If that explanation isn't clear enough for you, then I'm afraid I cannot lower the explanation to your intellectual level. |
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Mr R4nd0m
Ministry Of Mining And Industry Shit.Happens
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:44:00 -
[481] - Quote
White Tree wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
They are corrupt...
Show me specifically where I have been 'corrupt'.
You know I answer this for the OP, because perhaps coming from someone else, you might understand.
If a person is in a position of trust, the CSM as a whole represents, or should represent the player base of eve. Therefore amongst alot of the player base the CSM are 'trusted' individuals.` Thus if you are using your title to scam people in game then that is pretty much corruption.
If say a person trades with, especially the Chair of the CSM, one would assume he is trustworthy, whether in goons or not.
So are you saying that the CSM ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED? Are you? If you are, then how can the player base trust the CSM with any other affairs? I think personally I would like to know your answer to these questions...
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Airu Naari
The Noxious
5
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:46:00 -
[482] - Quote
It may not be right, and it certainly isn't pleasant for the one scammed, however - if it's allowed - SUCK IT UP. Also, CSM and in-game actions are a separate thing. When CCP sees someone seriously exploits CSM in a wrong way, I'm sure they will act upon it.
The Mittani would do this being CSM, as well as not being CSM, I'm sure!
He was elected (MAYBE the vast majority of the votes came from Goonswarm, but why don't you form an opposition then and fight it off?). I'm not an ass-kisser by the way, but it's the truth what I'm saying. |
WisdomLikeSilence
The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League
54
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:48:00 -
[483] - Quote
If this is an "official" protest, lets see your permit. |
White Tree
Broski Federation Elite Space Guild
357
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:49:00 -
[484] - Quote
Deviana Sevidon wrote:White Tree wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
They are corrupt...
Show me specifically where I have been 'corrupt'. You mean except pushing agendas that benefit only the huge nullsec alliances, like removing all high end ore from WH-space?
By pushing agendas by legitimate means you mean doing exactly what politicians are supposed to do?
Sorry. 'I don't like this decision that has been made.' is not political corruption, in fact -- it's politics! Whoa! |
White Tree
Broski Federation Elite Space Guild
357
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:49:00 -
[485] - Quote
Edit: Double post, delete me. |
Sir Substance
Tactical Knightmare
63
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:50:00 -
[486] - Quote
Since you posted twice white tree, I liked it twice. You're welcome |
White Tree
Broski Federation Elite Space Guild
357
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:51:00 -
[487] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:White Tree wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
They are corrupt...
Show me specifically where I have been 'corrupt'. You know I answer this for the OP, because perhaps coming from someone else, you might understand. If a person is in a position of trust, the CSM as a whole represents, or should represent the player base of eve. Therefore amongst alot of the player base the CSM are 'trusted' individuals.` Thus if you are using your title to scam people in game then that is pretty much corruption. If say a person trades with, especially the Chair of the CSM, one would assume he is trustworthy, whether in goons or not. So are you saying that the CSM ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED? Are you? If you are, then how can the player base trust the CSM with any other affairs? I think personally I would like to know your answer to these questions...
I have actually never scammed anyone using my CSM title as a voice of validity, nor have I even actually scammed someone.
Next. |
Takamori Maruyama
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
16
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:51:00 -
[488] - Quote
>250 likes >in a game with at least 45k players >mfw a¦á_a¦á The Codex Astartes guides us....*someone poke and whisper something* Oh wrong scenario...WHERE IS MY GIANT AQUARIUM?! |
Mr R4nd0m
Ministry Of Mining And Industry Shit.Happens
1
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:52:00 -
[489] - Quote
White Tree wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:White Tree wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
They are corrupt...
Show me specifically where I have been 'corrupt'. You know I answer this for the OP, because perhaps coming from someone else, you might understand. If a person is in a position of trust, the CSM as a whole represents, or should represent the player base of eve. Therefore amongst alot of the player base the CSM are 'trusted' individuals.` Thus if you are using your title to scam people in game then that is pretty much corruption. If say a person trades with, especially the Chair of the CSM, one would assume he is trustworthy, whether in goons or not. So are you saying that the CSM ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED? Are you? If you are, then how can the player base trust the CSM with any other affairs? I think personally I would like to know your answer to these questions... I have actually never scammed anyone using my CSM title as a voice of validity, nor have I even actually scammed someone. Next.
You have not answered these two fundamental questions...You need to give a response.
So are you saying that the CSM ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED? Are you? If you are, then how can the player base trust the CSM with any other affairs? |
White Tree
Broski Federation Elite Space Guild
357
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:53:00 -
[490] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
So are you saying that the CSM ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED? Are you? If you are, then how can the player base trust the CSM with any other affairs?
I didn't say the CSM weren't to be trusted at all. I'm saying the CSM are politicians, you may apply whatever your personal perception of politicians is to that at your will, that's your responsibility, not mine. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
539
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:56:00 -
[491] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:If a person is in a position of trust, the CSM as a whole represents, or should represent the player base of eve. Therefore amongst alot of the player base the CSM are 'trusted' individuals.` Why would you trust them just because they're on the CSM?
Quote:Thus if you are using your title to scam people in game then that is pretty much corruption. And the question remains: where is the proof that they're doing that?
Quote:If say a person trades with, especially the Chair of the CSM, one would assume he is trustworthy, whether in goons or not. Lol no. Largely because you're not trading with the CSM chair GÇö you're trading with the Goon CEO, a decidedly untrustworthy guy.
Why is it so hard for you to distinguish in-game from real life?
Quote:So are you saying that the CSM ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED? Not in-game, no. Why should they be? The CSM does not exist in the game. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Sir Substance
Tactical Knightmare
63
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:57:00 -
[492] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote: So are you saying that the CSM ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED? Are you? If you are, then how can the player base trust the CSM with any other affairs?
Personally, I think terry pratchett had it right when he suggested that we should just throw every politician in jail as soon as we elect them. In the words of someone I can remember who was probably fictional, those who desire power are the least suited to wield it.
Your mileage may vary, especially with the CSM. |
CynoNet Two
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:58:00 -
[493] - Quote
Sir Substance wrote:The Apostle wrote:I suppose I am referring to the branch of Darwinism called "survival of the fittest". Poster I was referring to stated if he got scammed and burned to the ground he'd still vote for the doer of such evils I am going to explain this to you once, and once only. Taking into account your limited intelligence, I shall describe it thus: Survival of the fittest is a statement based on the concept that all other variables being equal, the creature most suited to its environment has the greatest chance of reproducing. ... If that explanation isn't clear enough for you, then I'm afraid I cannot lower the explanation to your intellectual level.
10/10 for ability to be condescending 1/10 for poorly applying a Darwinism analogy to a video game about spaceships |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
49
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:58:00 -
[494] - Quote
White Tree wrote:Deviana Sevidon wrote:White Tree wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
They are corrupt...
Show me specifically where I have been 'corrupt'. You mean except pushing agendas that benefit only the huge nullsec alliances, like removing all high end ore from WH-space? By pushing agendas by legitimate means you mean doing exactly what politicians are supposed to do? Sorry. 'I don't like this decision that has been made.' is not political corruption, in fact -- it's politics! Whoa!
Yup, that is politics, corrupts politics, but most certainly politics and you still fail to see why people have problems with the CSM, if it follows the screw-over-majority-when-it-helps-their-own-wallet-behavior?
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WisdomLikeSilence
The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League
54
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 12:59:00 -
[495] - Quote
Sir Substance wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote: So are you saying that the CSM ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED? Are you? If you are, then how can the player base trust the CSM with any other affairs?
Personally, I think terry pratchett had it right when he suggested that we should just throw every politician in jail as soon as we elect them. In the words of someone I can't remember who was probably fictional, those who desire power are the least suited to wield it. Your mileage may vary, especially with the CSM.
Bring back the rule of KINGS!
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White Tree
Broski Federation Elite Space Guild
361
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:00:00 -
[496] - Quote
Deviana Sevidon wrote: Yup, that is politics, corrupts politics
Look at how wrong you are. |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
270
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:01:00 -
[497] - Quote
Ummm...is there a list somewhere in this thread of who among the CSM is the least / most trustworthy? Or do we all eat babies? Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:02:00 -
[498] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:White Tree wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
They are corrupt...
Show me specifically where I have been 'corrupt'. You know I answer this for the OP, because perhaps coming from someone else, you might understand. If a person is in a position of trust, the CSM as a whole represents, or should represent the player base of eve. Therefore amongst alot of the player base the CSM are 'trusted' individuals.` Thus if you are using your title to scam people in game then that is pretty much corruption. If say a person trades with, especially the Chair of the CSM, one would assume he is trustworthy, whether in goons or not. So are you saying that the CSM ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED? Are you? If you are, then how can the player base trust the CSM with any other affairs? I think personally I would like to know your answer to these questions... Scamming is a respected part of the game, in fact CCP made a Trailer encouraging new players to join the game for the purpose of Scamming.
CSM's are not the guys who hang out in the Help Channel they are players with an agenda to push, those that vote for them want there agenda to be represented.
If a CSM runs a Pro Crime Campaign then does not participate then how can we trust that they really believe in there Scamming Agenda.
I am willing to bet you can not find any proof in which a member of the CSM Scammed someone by saying you can trust me I am a CSM. If you trust a CSM to be your best buddy in game and coddle you that's your fault, they represent there Agenda to the Devs and nothing else. If you or anyone else comes to the stupidly false conclusion that they represent anything more then that is your fault.
They are not Noobie Help Bunnies nor should they be treated as such.
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White Tree
Broski Federation Elite Space Guild
361
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:02:00 -
[499] - Quote
Seleene wrote: Ummm...is there a list somewhere in this thread of who among the CSM is the least / most trustworthy? Or do we all eat babies? No we're all basically scum. We've actually been compared to the Reich several times completely casually. You stay classy EVE-O. |
Mr R4nd0m
Ministry Of Mining And Industry Shit.Happens
1
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:02:00 -
[500] - Quote
White Tree wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:
So are you saying that the CSM ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED? Are you? If you are, then how can the player base trust the CSM with any other affairs?
I didn't say the CSM weren't to be trusted at all. I'm saying the CSM are politicians, you may apply whatever your personal perception of politicians is to that at your will, that's your responsibility, not mine.
Well you seem to be wholeheartedly happy that people are getting scammed by certain members of the CSM.
Let me ask you it in another way.
1) Do you believe that the CSM hold a position of 'trust' with the eve player base? 2) If yes, then do you believe that by holding that position of trust, should allow you to take advantage of that, to scam people 3) If no, then you are saying that the CSM are not to be trusted. |
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
30
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:03:00 -
[501] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Why dont you try read the forums. Already doing that. Now, about those questions: Where's the abuse? How is it connected to his GÇ£position of trustGÇ¥? Why are they so hard for you to answer? Is it because there is no abuse? Is it because it (whatever GÇ£itGÇ¥ is) is not connected to his GÇ£position of trustGÇ¥? Quote:also 730 likes to this post, i think it proves the support this is getting. You mean those 41 that agree with your OP? No, it doesn't show that much. That's about 1% of the readers of the thread. Hmm Tippia give you some advice, I know its hard for you, and I understand your probably 12 years old. But go to the front page of General Discussion. Got it? Right Now look at the 'Likes' for this post.. got it? Can you read that? I think you should stop your looking stupid now..
Advice, OP:
Learn the difference between "your" and "you're," and when to use 'em, before calling someone else a 12 year old. Because you're the one that looks not just aged 12, but also illiterate, which makes your over-entitled whinging ranting look even more pitiful, which is saying something.
Hey, you'll thank me for it later, luv:
Trust me, you'll need all the microscopic, most tangential shreds of credibility you can possibly muster after this.
As utterly repellent as I find Mittani, and indeed, most of this go-around's CSM--for nothing to do with scamming or ganking, by the way--even I can, at long last, respect--grudgingly. Very grudgingly--the 'Swarm again, at least for now.
This has been good for EVE, despite Mittens' brazen credit-whoring hypocrisy.
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Velicitia
Open Designs
4
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:03:00 -
[502] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
So are you saying that the CSM ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED? Are you? If you are, then how can the player base trust the CSM with any other affairs?
You don't trust other EVE Players (or alts...) the CSM are EVE Players
Therefore, don't trust the CSM.
works fine for me, and I'll still vote for the one who most solidly shares my views. Or at least says they do at the time of the elections... |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
270
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:03:00 -
[503] - Quote
White Tree wrote:Seleene wrote: Ummm...is there a list somewhere in this thread of who among the CSM is the least / most trustworthy? Or do we all eat babies? No we're all basically scum. We've actually been compared to the Reich several times completely casually. You stay classy EVE-O.
Cripes. Don't tell anyone I have a house in Germany. Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
541
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:05:00 -
[504] - Quote
White Tree wrote:Seleene wrote: Ummm...is there a list somewhere in this thread of who among the CSM is the least / most trustworthy? Or do we all eat babies? No we're all basically scum. We've actually been compared to the Reich several times completely casually. You stay classy EVE-O. Look, we all know you guys made faustian deals to get on the CSM and that the amount of baby-eating you did is directly proportional to the number of votes you got.
So really, the only question is: which works best, HP sauce or ketchup? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
256
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:05:00 -
[505] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
You have not answered these two fundamental questions...You need to give a response.
So are you saying that the CSM ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED? Are you? If you are, then how can the player base trust the CSM with any other affairs?
It is very simple. If mittens were, say, posting an "official CSM chairman 3rd party service" and using that to scam, that would be crossing a line. That isn't what is happening here.
This thread is about angry people who got suicide ganked, despite the fact that the goons proclaimed loudly exactly where they would be ganking.
If you want extra rules to apply to CSM members, you need to raise that as a proposal and have it go through the CSM process. You also can't change the rules after the fact, as I am sure some CSM members would not have agreed to run if they weren't allowed to scam or suicide gank or whatever you guys get angry about next. CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog What does CSM 6 do? |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
328
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:06:00 -
[506] - Quote
When you elect assholes in order to have them be assholes for your cause, don't be too stunned when they in fact turn out to be assholes. |
VaMei
Meafi Corp
29
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:06:00 -
[507] - Quote
Botleten wrote:How dare he use a sandbox MMO as if it were a sandbox!!!! CURSE YOU EVIL GOONIES!!
Seriously dude, did you huff paint before you wrote this? Do you even realize what game you're playing?
My feelings exactly. You can love what the Goonies are doing, or you can hate it, but what they have been doing only goes to prove that the Eve I started playing years ago is alive and well and the old rules of Eve are still in full force:
1. You are never safe in Eve. Not in hi-sec, not even while docked. Someone is always out to get your isk, your ass, or both. 2. Never undock flying or carrying anything you can't afford to lose. Every time you undock, assume you are going to lose your ship, your cargo and your pod. Anything else is a good day. 3. Trust no one you can't punch in the face IRL. Everyone else is a thief, a spy, or a traitor. Even the most honest players, it's only a question of their price. 4. If your game experience was ruined by someone elseGÇÖs actions, see rules 1 through 3, and suck it up.
This is a sandbox game. CCP gives us the sandbox and the toys we play with. Within the limits of CCPs sandbox, we make the rules, we make the game, and we create the content. Love it or hate it, the Goonies are giving us content that people will remember for years to come.
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Velicitia
Open Designs
4
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:07:00 -
[508] - Quote
[quote=Two step If you want extra rules to apply to CSM members, you need to raise that as a proposal and have it go through the CSM process. You also can't change the rules after the fact, as I am sure some CSM members would not have agreed to run if they weren't allowed to scam or suicide gank or whatever you guys get angry about next.[/quote]
wasn't it Darius III who was using scamming and suicide ganks to get votes? |
Psilocin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:08:00 -
[509] - Quote
Seleene wrote:White Tree wrote:Seleene wrote: Ummm...is there a list somewhere in this thread of who among the CSM is the least / most trustworthy? Or do we all eat babies? No we're all basically scum. We've actually been compared to the Reich several times completely casually. You stay classy EVE-O. Cripes. Don't tell anyone I have a house in Germany.
Were you born in Brazil, by any chance? |
Gheng Kondur
Serva Fidem
4
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:09:00 -
[510] - Quote
Think the OP and others are missing some distinctions here.
Can the Mittani, leader of the Goons be trusted in game? No unless you are another Goon. But that goes for all CSM members and in fact everybody else in game you don't have a reason to trust.
Can the Mittani, elected CSM member be trusted in that role? Yes, he may not represent my views but he certainly represents a huge voting chunk who got him there.
Can the Mittani the real life man be trusted? Who knows, I don't know him. Got no reason to believe he can't though.
You need to seperate "in game" from the CSM role and RL.
If you can't understand the difference you play this far too much. If he abused the role for 'in game' advantage, and that could be shown, I would support this thread. But as it can't and everything I've seen him do in the CSM role has been from what he feels need to be done for the good of the game, I can't support this.
The CSM will never please all of the people all of the time, that's life in any democracy where the constituents are individuals with different views and opinions. Live with it or go move to a dictorship. |
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Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security
33
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:09:00 -
[511] - Quote
Seleene wrote: Ummm...is there a list somewhere in this thread of who among the CSM is the least / most trustworthy? Or do we all eat babies?
Dont eat babies.... i guess they taste like poo.... Steal their candy |
CynoNet Two
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
58
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:10:00 -
[512] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:White Tree wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
They are corrupt...
Show me specifically where I have been 'corrupt'. You know I answer this for the OP, because perhaps coming from someone else, you might understand. If a person is in a position of trust, the CSM as a whole represents, or should represent the player base of eve. Therefore amongst alot of the player base the CSM are 'trusted' individuals.` Thus if you are using your title to scam people in game then that is pretty much corruption. If say a person trades with, especially the Chair of the CSM, one would assume he is trustworthy, whether in goons or not. 'assume' makes an ass out of u (and not me, because I'm not that damn naive)
The role of the CSM is to pass player concerns onto CCP, based on their personal experience with the game. Short of keeping NDA'd material to themselves it is not a position of trust, and CSM reps do not owe you a thing:
Quote:Also, players with a serious warning or ban on any account in their possession can be excluded from candidate eligibility. However, in-game behavior, regardless of play style, will never be a criterion for candidacy unless the rules of the EULA and/or TOS are violated.
Feel free to prove me wrong with this http://www.eveonline.com/download/devblog/CSM.pdf |
WhyTry1
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:11:00 -
[513] - Quote
Two step wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:
You have not answered these two fundamental questions...You need to give a response.
So are you saying that the CSM ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED? Are you? If you are, then how can the player base trust the CSM with any other affairs?
It is very simple. If mittens were, say, posting an "official CSM chairman 3rd party service" and using that to scam, that would be crossing a line. That isn't what is happening here. This thread is about angry people who got suicide ganked, despite the fact that the goons proclaimed loudly exactly where they would be ganking. If you want extra rules to apply to CSM members, you need to raise that as a proposal and have it go through the CSM process. You also can't change the rules after the fact, as I am sure some CSM members would not have agreed to run if they weren't allowed to scam or suicide gank or whatever you guys get angry about next.
Wow, just wow, you really believe that stuff your saying? He doesnt have to make a big sign saying that - people know hes the chair.or part of the CSM, that goes for any CSM member..
People will AUTOMATICALLY trust him, I think the question has been asked, but no ones give an answer,
You are basically saying - the csm cannot be trusted.... i think thats all we need to know... perhaps this thread can be locked now...
nail - coffin..... |
White Tree
Broski Federation Elite Space Guild
361
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:11:00 -
[514] - Quote
Love2MurderPubs |
White Tree
Broski Federation Elite Space Guild
361
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:12:00 -
[515] - Quote
WhyTry1 wrote:Two step wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:
You have not answered these two fundamental questions...You need to give a response.
So are you saying that the CSM ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED? Are you? If you are, then how can the player base trust the CSM with any other affairs?
It is very simple. If mittens were, say, posting an "official CSM chairman 3rd party service" and using that to scam, that would be crossing a line. That isn't what is happening here. This thread is about angry people who got suicide ganked, despite the fact that the goons proclaimed loudly exactly where they would be ganking. If you want extra rules to apply to CSM members, you need to raise that as a proposal and have it go through the CSM process. You also can't change the rules after the fact, as I am sure some CSM members would not have agreed to run if they weren't allowed to scam or suicide gank or whatever you guys get angry about next. Wow, just wow, you really believe that stuff your saying? He doesnt have to make a big sign saying that - people know hes the chair.or part of the CSM, that goes for any CSM member.. People will AUTOMATICALLY trust him, I think the question has been asked, but no ones give an answer, You are basically saying - the csm cannot be trusted.... i think thats all we need to know...
CSM6 can be trusted to do its job as the CSM and our track record so far basically proves this. If you want more beyond this role then you're asking for something we're not obliged to provide. |
Mr R4nd0m
Ministry Of Mining And Industry Shit.Happens
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:12:00 -
[516] - Quote
White Tree wrote:Love2MurderPubs
Still like an answer please..
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Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
10
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:13:00 -
[517] - Quote
Seleene wrote: Ummm...is there a list somewhere in this thread of who among the CSM is the least / most trustworthy? Or do we all eat babies?
Hi Sel 0/
You all eat babies.
thanks, Danks |
Cass Lie
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:13:00 -
[518] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:White Tree wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
They are corrupt...
Show me specifically where I have been 'corrupt'. You know I answer this for the OP, because perhaps coming from someone else, you might understand. If a person is in a position of trust, the CSM as a whole represents, or should represent the player base of eve. Therefore amongst alot of the player base the CSM are 'trusted' individuals.` Thus if you are using your title to scam people in game then that is pretty much corruption. If say a person trades with, especially the Chair of the CSM, one would assume he is trustworthy, whether in goons or not. So are you saying that the CSM ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED? Are you? If you are, then how can the player base trust the CSM with any other affairs? I think personally I would like to know your answer to these questions...
What is this I don't even..
You got asked one single simple question. You answered with "if you had done done X, then that would be bad" and proceeded to blame White Tree for avoiding giving answers. Words, they fail me... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
541
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:17:00 -
[519] - Quote
WhyTry1 wrote:Wow, just wow, you really believe that stuff your saying? He doesnt have to make a big sign saying that - people know hes the chair.or part of the CSM, that goes for any CSM member.. Yes he does, or he's not abusing his position GÇö you know, the supposed (but unproven) basis of the thread?
Quote:People will AUTOMATICALLY trust him, I think the question has been asked, but no ones give an answer, And why on earth is that a problem with the CSM and not with people making stupid decisions based on completely unrelated characteristics?
Quote:You are basically saying - the csm cannot be trusted No, he's saying that the CSM can be trusted to do CSM stuff. Goons can be trusted to do goon stuff (which makes them untrustworthy).
The problem is that some fools can't tell the two apart. They are unable to make the distinction between the in-game character of The Mittani, CEO of Goons, and the out-of-game person Alex, chair of the CSM. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
31
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:17:00 -
[520] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Vaffel Junior wrote:Are you mittens alt ? That's a new one. Usually, it's other people who are supposedly my alts.
I thought everyone in EVE was Chribba's alts?
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Sir Substance
Tactical Knightmare
65
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:17:00 -
[521] - Quote
Velicitia wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:
So are you saying that the CSM ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED? Are you? If you are, then how can the player base trust the CSM with any other affairs?
You don't trust other EVE Players (or alts...) the CSM are EVE Players Therefore, don't trust the CSM. works fine for me, and I'll still vote for the one who most solidly shares my views. Or at least says they do at the time of the elections... edit --> as with other eve players, I just expect them to stab me in the back at some point.
Here, I've put this in handy-dandy diagrammatic form, to aid in everyones comprehension of the situation:
http://i.imgur.com/FkQPS.png |
WhyTry1
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:19:00 -
[522] - Quote
Quote: CSM6 can be trusted to do its job as the CSM and our track record so far basically proves this. If you want more beyond this role then you're asking for something we're not obliged to provide.
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How can you be trusted to do your CSM Job? If you are scamming people. Look at this way..
If you scam someone ingame, you are the looked upon as an untrustworthy person. They will see you personally as a person not to be trusted. Correct? So how can you expect people to trust you anymore whether its in or out of game. Your reputation to that person you scammed is ruined. They cant trust you and never will.
If your government pillaged your home, killed all your family, took all your goods and lifes work, would you then trust them to run the country? I think not |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
544
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:20:00 -
[523] - Quote
I take issue with that illustration.
You're making it seem like EVE players are people. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
260
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:20:00 -
[524] - Quote
WhyTry1 wrote: Wow, just wow, you really believe that stuff your saying? He doesnt have to make a big sign saying that - people know hes the chair.or part of the CSM, that goes for any CSM member..
People will AUTOMATICALLY trust him, I think the question has been asked, but no ones give an answer,
You are basically saying - the csm cannot be trusted.... i think thats all we need to know... perhaps this thread can be locked now...
nail - coffin.....
I'm sorry, but you don't get to impose your arbitrary restrictions on the way I, or any other CSM, can play this game. I know that makes you want to cry and throw your toys around your room, but that is the way it is.
I am saying that any member of the CSM is just as likely to scam you as anyone else in EVE. That is the game. If you don't like it, the unsub button is right up there ^^. CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog What does CSM 6 do? |
WhyTry1
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:21:00 -
[525] - Quote
Two step wrote:WhyTry1 wrote: Wow, just wow, you really believe that stuff your saying? He doesnt have to make a big sign saying that - people know hes the chair.or part of the CSM, that goes for any CSM member..
People will AUTOMATICALLY trust him, I think the question has been asked, but no ones give an answer,
You are basically saying - the csm cannot be trusted.... i think thats all we need to know... perhaps this thread can be locked now...
nail - coffin.....
I'm sorry, but you don't get to impose your arbitrary restrictions on the way I, or any other CSM, can play this game. I know that makes you want to cry and throw your toys around your room, but that is the way it is. I am saying that any member of the CSM is just as likely to scam you as anyone else in EVE. That is the game. If you don't like it, the unsub button is right up there ^^.
for me you have said all you need to say... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
544
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:23:00 -
[526] - Quote
WhyTry1 wrote:How can you be trusted to do your CSM Job? If you are scamming people. Because the CSM have so far delivered on what the CSM is supposed to do. Also, because there is zero indication that the CSM are scamming people.
Quote:If you scam someone ingame, you are the looked upon as an untrustworthy person. They will see you personally as a person not to be trusted. Correct? No. They will see that character as someone who can't be trusted GÇö they have no clue wither the person behind it or not can be, because they don't know him (or her).
In fact, I'd rather argue the opposite: the less you can trust their in-game characters, the more you can trust their out-of-game representation, because at least then you know that they are familiar enough with the game to pull that kind of scam, and that kind of knowledge is pretty a prerequisite for them to be a trusted with bringing the community's views in front of CCP.
Quote:So how can you expect people to trust you anymore whether its in or out of game. By expecting them to be able to make the distinction between character and person. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
260
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:24:00 -
[527] - Quote
WhyTry1 wrote:Quote: CSM6 can be trusted to do its job as the CSM and our track record so far basically proves this. If you want more beyond this role then you're asking for something we're not obliged to provide.
How can you be trusted to do your CSM Job? If you are scamming people. Look at this way.. If you scam someone ingame, you are the looked upon as an untrustworthy person. They will see you personally as a person not to be trusted. Correct? So how can you expect people to trust you anymore whether its in or out of game. Your reputation to that person you scammed is ruined. They cant trust you and never will. If your government pillaged your home, killed all your family, took all your goods and lifes work, would you then trust them to run the country? I think not
Again, you still aren't getting it. As a leader of my corporation, I have invaded the home wormholes of people that voted for me, blew up all their POSes and ships, and stole the mods that dropped. This is just fine, and those people still talk to me about CSM stuff. What you need to learn to do is separate CSM duties from playing the game. We still get to play the game, any way we want to. If you don't like that, I don't give a ****. CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog What does CSM 6 do? |
WhyTry1
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:25:00 -
[528] - Quote
Tippia wrote:WhyTry1 wrote:How can you be trusted to do your CSM Job? If you are scamming people. Because the CSM have so far delivered on what the CSM is supposed to do. Also, because there is zero indication that the CSM are scamming people. Quote:If you scam someone ingame, you are the looked upon as an untrustworthy person. They will see you personally as a person not to be trusted. Correct? No. They will see that character as someone who can't be trusted GÇö they have no clue wither the person behind it or not can be, because they don't know him (or her). Quote:So how can you expect people to trust you anymore whether its in or out of game. By expecting them to be able to make the distinction between character and person.
Are you really stupid! If a person is character, they are still that person in real life scamming. Are you mad? Go away jeez now your making me mad never mind the other people...get out, get out now...im going to get a coffee to calm down.. |
Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security
33
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:25:00 -
[529] - Quote
I can not say that I trust CSM......... |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
620
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:26:00 -
[530] - Quote
Deviana Sevidon wrote:White Tree wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
They are corrupt...
Show me specifically where I have been 'corrupt'. You mean except pushing agendas that benefit only the huge nullsec alliances, like removing all high end ore from WH-space?
Hey look at this guy - he's a liar!
He's deliberately distorting the facts in an attempt to mislead or injure. That's called lying Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Nyio
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
151
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:26:00 -
[531] - Quote
Two step wrote:What you need to learn to do is separate CSM duties from playing the game.
Interesting stuff right there. Features & Ideas Discussion: Agent Finder, Black Holes Needs a banner here.. |
Mr R4nd0m
Ministry Of Mining And Industry Shit.Happens
1
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:26:00 -
[532] - Quote
Two step wrote:WhyTry1 wrote:Quote: CSM6 can be trusted to do its job as the CSM and our track record so far basically proves this. If you want more beyond this role then you're asking for something we're not obliged to provide.
How can you be trusted to do your CSM Job? If you are scamming people. Look at this way.. If you scam someone ingame, you are the looked upon as an untrustworthy person. They will see you personally as a person not to be trusted. Correct? So how can you expect people to trust you anymore whether its in or out of game. Your reputation to that person you scammed is ruined. They cant trust you and never will. If your government pillaged your home, killed all your family, took all your goods and lifes work, would you then trust them to run the country? I think not Again, you still aren't getting it. As a leader of my corporation, I have invaded the home wormholes of people that voted for me, blew up all their POSes and ships, and stole the mods that dropped. This is just fine, and those people still talk to me about CSM stuff. What you need to learn to do is separate CSM duties from playing the game. We still get to play the game, any way we want to. If you don't like that, I don't give a ****.
This is the worse possible answer you could give, and your dont give a f*** attitude is all wrong. Please hand in your resignation...douche |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
57
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:28:00 -
[533] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:Two step wrote:WhyTry1 wrote:Quote: CSM6 can be trusted to do its job as the CSM and our track record so far basically proves this. If you want more beyond this role then you're asking for something we're not obliged to provide.
How can you be trusted to do your CSM Job? If you are scamming people. Look at this way.. If you scam someone ingame, you are the looked upon as an untrustworthy person. They will see you personally as a person not to be trusted. Correct? So how can you expect people to trust you anymore whether its in or out of game. Your reputation to that person you scammed is ruined. They cant trust you and never will. If your government pillaged your home, killed all your family, took all your goods and lifes work, would you then trust them to run the country? I think not Again, you still aren't getting it. As a leader of my corporation, I have invaded the home wormholes of people that voted for me, blew up all their POSes and ships, and stole the mods that dropped. This is just fine, and those people still talk to me about CSM stuff. What you need to learn to do is separate CSM duties from playing the game. We still get to play the game, any way we want to. If you don't like that, I don't give a ****. This is the worse possible answer you could give, and your dont give a f*** attitude is all wrong. Please hand in your resignation...douche Mr Random, you need to get a life. Now you are down to name calling. How big of you. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
450
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:29:00 -
[534] - Quote
Two step wrote:WhyTry1 wrote:Quote: CSM6 can be trusted to do its job as the CSM and our track record so far basically proves this. If you want more beyond this role then you're asking for something we're not obliged to provide.
How can you be trusted to do your CSM Job? If you are scamming people. Look at this way.. If you scam someone ingame, you are the looked upon as an untrustworthy person. They will see you personally as a person not to be trusted. Correct? So how can you expect people to trust you anymore whether its in or out of game. Your reputation to that person you scammed is ruined. They cant trust you and never will. If your government pillaged your home, killed all your family, took all your goods and lifes work, would you then trust them to run the country? I think not Again, you still aren't getting it. As a leader of my corporation, I have invaded the home wormholes of people that voted for me, blew up all their POSes and ships, and stole the mods that dropped. This is just fine, and those people still talk to me about CSM stuff. What you need to learn to do is separate CSM duties from playing the game. We still get to play the game, any way we want to. If you don't like that, I don't give a ****.
oh dear..You keep digging that grave... |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
31
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:29:00 -
[535] - Quote
Tippia wrote:White Tree wrote:Seleene wrote: Ummm...is there a list somewhere in this thread of who among the CSM is the least / most trustworthy? Or do we all eat babies? No we're all basically scum. We've actually been compared to the Reich several times completely casually. You stay classy EVE-O. Look, we all know you guys made faustian deals to get on the CSM and that the amount of baby-eating you did is directly proportional to the number of votes you got. So really, the only question is: which works best, HP sauce or ketchup?
I prefer Heinz 57 Steak Sauce, myself...But then, I'm just a "pubbie," so what do I know. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
621
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:30:00 -
[536] - Quote
WhyTry1 wrote:Tippia wrote:WhyTry1 wrote:How can you be trusted to do your CSM Job? If you are scamming people. Because the CSM have so far delivered on what the CSM is supposed to do. Also, because there is zero indication that the CSM are scamming people. Quote:If you scam someone ingame, you are the looked upon as an untrustworthy person. They will see you personally as a person not to be trusted. Correct? No. They will see that character as someone who can't be trusted GÇö they have no clue wither the person behind it or not can be, because they don't know him (or her). Quote:So how can you expect people to trust you anymore whether its in or out of game. By expecting them to be able to make the distinction between character and person. Are you really stupid! If a person is character, they are still that person in real life scamming. Are you mad? Go away jeez now your making me mad never mind the other people...get out, get out now...im going to get a coffee to calm down..
Sir, are you a member of the Ministry of War in real life? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
545
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:30:00 -
[537] - Quote
WhyTry1 wrote:Are you really stupid! If a person is character, they are still that person in real life scamming. No. JustGǪ no.
Scamming in a game where scamming is allowed, and even actively encouraged, does not make the person playing that game as a scammer a scammer in real life. Rather, it makes that person knowledgeable about the game, its mechanics, and its rules, and rather makes him a good candidate to discuss the game with its designers.
Just because I capture the whole board in Monopoly does not mean I own any hotels in real life, or that I will screw you out of your every last penny, or that I prefer to stay in jail for as long as possible to avoid paying money to other peopleGǪ Instead, me doing all those things in monopoly simply means that I know how to play the game. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
545
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:32:00 -
[538] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:oh dear..You keep digging that grave... Well sure GÇö it needs to be quite deep to fit you inside, seeing as how you can't even answer these simple questions:
How is the CSM corrupt? Where's the abuse? How is it connected to their GÇ£positions of trustGÇ¥?
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
VaMei
Meafi Corp
29
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:33:00 -
[539] - Quote
WhyTry1 wrote:Are you really stupid! If a person is character, they are still that person in real life scamming. Are you mad? Go away jeez now your making me mad never mind the other people...get out, get out now...im going to get a coffee to calm down..
This in an MMORPG. The player is free to RP a character with moral defects that will do things in game the player would ever consider IRL.
VaMei generally follows my RL ethics. He's never attacked anyone that did not start the fight, and has never taken a dishonet isk from anyone in his 6 years of Eve. Some of my other characters are not so... scrupulous, but their personality does not reflect what anyone would ever see from me IRL. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
451
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:35:00 -
[540] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:oh dear..You keep digging that grave... Well sure GÇö it needs to be quite deep to fit you inside, seeing as how you can't even answer these simple questions: How is the CSM corrupt? Where's the abuse? How is it connected to their GÇ£positions of trustGÇ¥?
The questions have been answered, perhaps you find it difficult to read. over 400 personal likes and 50+topic likes, still says alot of people agree with me, Like it or not tippia..
Anyway i really cant answer any more your posts, i know you probably stamping your feet like a 2 year old, but its time you went back in your play pen |
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Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
48
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:37:00 -
[541] - Quote
It's a good thing Mittani is blasting miners and scamming suckers because there is obviously a worrying number of people playing this game under substantial misconceptions.
Obviously this kind of issue awareness needs to be brought up more often so these pustules of absolute cluelessness don't grow to be so big in the future before being popped and having their ignorance ooze all over the forums.
If Eve is having this supposed existential crisis atm with nex and a stagnant nullsec etc, let's add an obvious failure to inform and acclimatize newer players to the actual nature of Eve as a game. |
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
10
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:37:00 -
[542] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Two step wrote:WhyTry1 wrote:Quote: CSM6 can be trusted to do its job as the CSM and our track record so far basically proves this. If you want more beyond this role then you're asking for something we're not obliged to provide.
How can you be trusted to do your CSM Job? If you are scamming people. Look at this way.. If you scam someone ingame, you are the looked upon as an untrustworthy person. They will see you personally as a person not to be trusted. Correct? So how can you expect people to trust you anymore whether its in or out of game. Your reputation to that person you scammed is ruined. They cant trust you and never will. If your government pillaged your home, killed all your family, took all your goods and lifes work, would you then trust them to run the country? I think not Again, you still aren't getting it. As a leader of my corporation, I have invaded the home wormholes of people that voted for me, blew up all their POSes and ships, and stole the mods that dropped. This is just fine, and those people still talk to me about CSM stuff. What you need to learn to do is separate CSM duties from playing the game. We still get to play the game, any way we want to. If you don't like that, I don't give a ****. oh dear..You keep digging that grave...
What grave? Based on that reply I would vote for that person. |
Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security
33
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:38:00 -
[543] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:oh dear..You keep digging that grave... Well sure GÇö it needs to be quite deep to fit you inside, seeing as how you can't even answer these simple questions: How is the CSM corrupt? Where's the abuse? How is it connected to their GÇ£positions of trustGÇ¥?
How do you come up with all those questions ?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
546
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:38:00 -
[544] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:The questions have been answered Good. Then it will be easy for you to copy-paste the answers (or just the links to the relevant posts) right here.
So: How is the CSM corrupt? Where's the abuse? How is it connected to their GÇ£positions of trustGÇ¥?
Quote:over 400 personal likes and 50+topic likes GǪin other words, a very small minority (especially once you remove that 5-person band following you around).
Vaffel Junior wrote:How do you come up with all those questions ? Oh, I've collected them over the course of the thread as JAT has either been given direct questions that he has not been able to answer, or has made out-of-the-blue assertions without any kind of support or reasoning behind them. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
70
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:39:00 -
[545] - Quote
The police will have to make lots of room available for all the murderers. I've seen a lot of killing in this game. I'm pretty sure most of them are likely to do the same thing out of game. |
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
89
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:41:00 -
[546] - Quote
Someone was a miner and got blown up....and started an epic troll whine thread. Good show sir. I like the tears.
On a related note, if Mitanni scams and burns. I don't care. I have fun watching it. Its a game. His CSM duties are unrelated the what he can or can not do ingame as long as he doesn't break NDA. So far CSM has done what they said they would and for that Good job.
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Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security
33
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:42:00 -
[547] - Quote
non judgement wrote:The police will have to make lots of room available for all the murderers. I've seen a lot of killing in this game. I'm pretty sure most of them are likely to do the same thing out of game.
I hope not
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Nyio
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
152
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:42:00 -
[548] - Quote
Later that evening The Mittani checks his voice messages:
"Very good job on the forums my young apprentice! We have the crowd completely diverted from the critical issues now, and HE will be very pleased to hear this."
Features & Ideas Discussion: Agent Finder, Black Holes Needs a banner here.. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
621
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:44:00 -
[549] - Quote
VaMei wrote:WhyTry1 wrote:Are you really stupid! If a person is character, they are still that person in real life scamming. Are you mad? Go away jeez now your making me mad never mind the other people...get out, get out now...im going to get a coffee to calm down.. This in an MMO RPG. The player is free to RP a character with moral defects that will do things in game the player would never consider IRL. VaMei generally follows my RL ethics. He's never attacked anyone that did not start the fight, and has never taken a dishonet isk from anyone in his 6 years of Eve. Some of my other characters are not so... scrupulous, but their personality does not reflect what anyone would ever see from me IRL.
In fact most EVE characters are relative saints compared to the likes of WoW "heroes". These psychotic racists attack without provocation at random or in sickening pre-planned orgies of violence other sentient beings (as well as endangered species) purely because of their race and nationality, often using abilities chosen not because of their simple effectiveness, but as part of bizarre cults which advocate the use of pain, sorcery and demonic worship as a tool. After killing their near-helpless victims and devastating the local ecology until nothing living remains, these vicious, deranged murderers then mutilate the corpses in a sickening harvest of internal organs and body parts. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
621
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:45:00 -
[550] - Quote
Needless to say, the players of these hellish psychopaths are themselves morally corrupt in ways that would make Hannibal Lecter gag in disgust. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Maredreus
StoneDogS Fatal Ascension
0
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:45:00 -
[551] - Quote
White Tree wrote:Seleene wrote: Ummm...is there a list somewhere in this thread of who among the CSM is the least / most trustworthy? Or do we all eat babies? No we're all basically scum. We've actually been compared to the Reich several times completely casually. You stay classy EVE-O.
Godwin's law "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving ***** or ****** approaches" |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
148
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:46:00 -
[552] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:oh dear..You keep digging that grave... Well sure GÇö it needs to be quite deep to fit you inside, seeing as how you can't even answer these simple questions: How is the CSM corrupt? Where's the abuse? How is it connected to their GÇ£positions of trustGÇ¥? The questions have been answered, perhaps you find it difficult to read. over 400 personal likes and 50+topic likes, still says alot of people agree with me, Like it or not tippia.. Anyway i really cant answer any more your posts, i know you probably stamping your feet like a 2 year old, but its time you went back in your play pen
It hasn't been answered at all. Back before I went to bed, every time you asked you said either "lol look at the OP" or "lol, I don't have to explain, you're a goon." Now your trying to explain that you're just so popular on spacebook that you don't HAVE to explain.
No.
Explain where your accusations of corruption are coming from. Give some form of evidence. Harden the **** up. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
546
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:46:00 -
[553] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:In fact most EVE characters are relative saints compared to the likes of WoW "heroes". These psychotic racists attack without provocation at random or in sickening pre-planned orgies of violence other sentient beings (as well as endangered species) purely because of their race and nationality, often using abilities chosen not because of their simple effectiveness, but as part of bizarre cults which advocate the use of pain, sorcery and demonic worship as a tool. After killing their near-helpless victims and devastating the local ecology until nothing living remains, these vicious, deranged murderers then mutilate the corpses in a sickening harvest of internal organs and body parts. Yeah, but then again, we have some of those psychos in EVE as well. Just look at Motsu and IrjunenGǪ
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
149
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 13:55:00 -
[554] - Quote
Mr LaForge wrote:Someone was a miner and got blown up....and started an epic troll whine thread. Good show sir. I like the tears.
On a related note, if Mitanni scams and burns. I don't care. I have fun watching it. Its a game. His CSM duties are unrelated the what he can or can not do ingame as long as he doesn't break NDA. So far CSM has done what they said they would and for that Good job.
The thing is, Mittani doesn't scam, outside of the standard nullsec diplomacy stuff. He doesn't have to, he basically has the entire Goonswarm wallet at his disposal, to say nothing about all the other ways he's made himself spacerich over the years. Hell, a major reason this whole thing with killing ice bots was so important was that it was fun an interesting enough to get Mittani to actually play EVE.
This is all stemming from some younger Goon selling some particularly clueless European(?) Alliance a supercap that didn't actually exist. When they became flighty, that goon brought in Mittani as a "neutral third party" and the twits handed over 11.5B isk without ever seeing the ship. This is generally considered a Faux Pas for this very reason -- he should have brought in a "Supercap director" or something similar instead of Mittani, but that's a discussion for another day.
Actually, given the similarities in writing style and avatar, I'd wager Just Another Toon is either Adum (the guy who was scammed out of 11.5B) or in the same alliance. That would explain a lot. If I was stupid enough to get scammed out of 11.5 billion isk I'd be posting some delicious forum tears, too. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
455
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:57:00 -
[555] - Quote
Xython wrote:Mr LaForge wrote:Someone was a miner and got blown up....and started an epic troll whine thread. Good show sir. I like the tears.
On a related note, if Mitanni scams and burns. I don't care. I have fun watching it. Its a game. His CSM duties are unrelated the what he can or can not do ingame as long as he doesn't break NDA. So far CSM has done what they said they would and for that Good job.
The thing is, Mittani doesn't scam, outside of the standard nullsec diplomacy stuff. He doesn't have to, he basically has the entire Goonswarm wallet at his disposal, to say nothing about all the other ways he's made himself spacerich over the years. Hell, a major reason this whole thing with killing ice bots was so important was that it was fun an interesting enough to get Mittani to actually play EVE. This is all stemming from some younger Goon selling some particularly clueless European(?) Alliance a supercap that didn't actually exist. When they became flighty, that goon brought in Mittani as a "neutral third party" and the twits handed over 11.5B isk without ever seeing the ship. This is generally considered a Faux Pas for this very reason -- he should have brought in a "Supercap director" or something similar instead of Mittani, but that's a discussion for another day. Actually, given the similarities in writing style and avatar, I'd wager Just Another Toon is either Adum (the guy who was scammed out of 11.5B) or in the same alliance. That would explain a lot. If I was stupid enough to get scammed out of 11.5 billion isk I'd be posting some delicious forum tears, too.
He was part of the scam, simple. Not getting out of it.
over 400 likes and over 50 actual topic likes, seems alot of people agree with me...sorry...
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
547
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:01:00 -
[556] - Quote
Xython wrote:Actually, given the similarities in writing style and avatar, I'd wager Just Another Toon is either Adum (the guy who was scammed out of 11.5B) or in the same alliance. That would explain a lot. If I was stupid enough to get scammed out of 11.5 billion isk I'd be posting some delicious forum tears, too. That, or Alidar GÇö the guy who went nuts over losing his mac to one of Mitten's Brutixes.
Just Another Toon wrote:over 400 likes and over 50 actual topic likes, seems alot of people agree with me...sorry... 50 characters is not Gǣa lotGǥ, and those 400 are from the same five characters liking every post you make, no matter the content. So no, you are pretty much alone in your opinion. Hell, even with that five-man-band as your support, you are a minority in this threadGǪ
So how about you answer those questions, so you might actually be able to gain some support for your cause? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
58
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:04:00 -
[557] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Xython wrote:Mr LaForge wrote:Someone was a miner and got blown up....and started an epic troll whine thread. Good show sir. I like the tears.
On a related note, if Mitanni scams and burns. I don't care. I have fun watching it. Its a game. His CSM duties are unrelated the what he can or can not do ingame as long as he doesn't break NDA. So far CSM has done what they said they would and for that Good job.
The thing is, Mittani doesn't scam, outside of the standard nullsec diplomacy stuff. He doesn't have to, he basically has the entire Goonswarm wallet at his disposal, to say nothing about all the other ways he's made himself spacerich over the years. Hell, a major reason this whole thing with killing ice bots was so important was that it was fun an interesting enough to get Mittani to actually play EVE. This is all stemming from some younger Goon selling some particularly clueless European(?) Alliance a supercap that didn't actually exist. When they became flighty, that goon brought in Mittani as a "neutral third party" and the twits handed over 11.5B isk without ever seeing the ship. This is generally considered a Faux Pas for this very reason -- he should have brought in a "Supercap director" or something similar instead of Mittani, but that's a discussion for another day. Actually, given the similarities in writing style and avatar, I'd wager Just Another Toon is either Adum (the guy who was scammed out of 11.5B) or in the same alliance. That would explain a lot. If I was stupid enough to get scammed out of 11.5 billion isk I'd be posting some delicious forum tears, too. He was part of the scam, simple. Not getting out of it. over 400 likes and over 50 actual topic likes, seems alot of people agree with me...sorry...
Wow a whole 50 actual topic likes. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
149
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:04:00 -
[558] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote: He was part of the scam, simple. Not getting out of it.
over 400 likes and over 50 actual topic likes, seems alot of people agree with me...sorry...
Quit waving your (nonexistant) epeen around, you pathetic little child. No one gives two squirts of **** about how many likes you have on spacebook. Especially when you can't provide any evidence for your claims other than "Look, MAH EPEEN IS BIG."
And no, he wasn't part of the scam. He just stood there and watched while someone particularly stupid fell for one. |
Hesperus Vanderbeets
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:06:00 -
[559] - Quote
I am a homosexual. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
547
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:06:00 -
[560] - Quote
Yoink? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
149
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:09:00 -
[561] - Quote
Page 29. New topic, then. With Goons destroying the Ice mining efforts in Gallente space, has anyone moved on to something else? Caldari mining, perhaps? |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
75
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:12:00 -
[562] - Quote
Seleene wrote: Ummm...is there a list somewhere in this thread of who among the CSM is the least / most trustworthy? Or do we all eat babies?
Can I eat babies with you?
BBQ Sauce, NOM!!
CSM, we all know your just alts of Mittani. Stop pretending you're not. You faked multiple international ID's, Passports and hired actor duplicates to cover for the sherade on CCP meetings minutes. Mittani in FACT makes himself pretend to disagree with himself just to make sure the whole ploy doesn't seem too blatantly obvious.
This is how vile and despicable the Mittani is. And he's a communist. Go figure.
NOSTRO AURUM NON EST AURUM VULGI |
Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
70
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:14:00 -
[563] - Quote
be it for the better or the worse, scamming and suicide ganking are part of the game. CCP advertised for that, it's a part of the gameplay. you can't say someone is wrong because he use gameplay you don't like.
if you're tired of being attacked on high sec, go mine somewhere else, or fight. if yo'ure tired of people being scammed by goons, well everyone know that goons do scams, so if they fall into the trap they are idiots, and don't merit your pity. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
75
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:14:00 -
[564] - Quote
Xython wrote:Page 29. New topic, then. With Goons destroying the Ice mining efforts in Gallente space, has anyone moved on to something else? Caldari mining, perhaps?
I'm mining lots of Caldari Ice and using it to buy Gallente ice in bulk and dumping it in Jita to help lower the prices on the markets. Everyone should do this.
Next... NOSTRO AURUM NON EST AURUM VULGI |
Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security
33
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:15:00 -
[565] - Quote
Xython wrote:Page 29. New topic, then. With Goons destroying the Ice mining efforts in Gallente space, has anyone moved on to something else? Caldari mining, perhaps?
I am mining veldspar in empire.... with my alts
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Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
49
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:16:00 -
[566] - Quote
I stick to my believe that Just another Toon is a Mittani or other Goon Alt or has been paid to start this by now mega-long thread.
You can all stop now. It is just one big Goon PR stunt. |
Mallak Azaria
Three 6 MaFiA Dark Phoenix Rising.
4
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:17:00 -
[567] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Xython wrote:Mr LaForge wrote:Someone was a miner and got blown up....and started an epic troll whine thread. Good show sir. I like the tears.
On a related note, if Mitanni scams and burns. I don't care. I have fun watching it. Its a game. His CSM duties are unrelated the what he can or can not do ingame as long as he doesn't break NDA. So far CSM has done what they said they would and for that Good job.
The thing is, Mittani doesn't scam, outside of the standard nullsec diplomacy stuff. He doesn't have to, he basically has the entire Goonswarm wallet at his disposal, to say nothing about all the other ways he's made himself spacerich over the years. Hell, a major reason this whole thing with killing ice bots was so important was that it was fun an interesting enough to get Mittani to actually play EVE. This is all stemming from some younger Goon selling some particularly clueless European(?) Alliance a supercap that didn't actually exist. When they became flighty, that goon brought in Mittani as a "neutral third party" and the twits handed over 11.5B isk without ever seeing the ship. This is generally considered a Faux Pas for this very reason -- he should have brought in a "Supercap director" or something similar instead of Mittani, but that's a discussion for another day. Actually, given the similarities in writing style and avatar, I'd wager Just Another Toon is either Adum (the guy who was scammed out of 11.5B) or in the same alliance. That would explain a lot. If I was stupid enough to get scammed out of 11.5 billion isk I'd be posting some delicious forum tears, too. He was part of the scam, simple. Not getting out of it. over 400 likes and over 50 actual topic likes, seems alot of people agree with me...sorry...
I read every single post on every single page & you still managed to not make a coherent point in 25 pages of teary blubbering. My 4 votes to Mittani has paid off.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
547
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 14:17:00 -
[568] - Quote
Aidan Brooder wrote:I stick to my believe that Just another Toon is a Mittani or other Goon Alt or has been paid to start this by now mega-long thread. You can all stop now. It is just one big Goon PR stunt. He would have more than 5 supporters if that were the caseGǪ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
149
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 14:17:00 -
[569] - Quote
Bloodpetal wrote:Xython wrote:Page 29. New topic, then. With Goons destroying the Ice mining efforts in Gallente space, has anyone moved on to something else? Caldari mining, perhaps? I'm mining lots of Caldari Ice and using it to buy Gallente ice in bulk and dumping it in Jita to help lower the prices on the markets. Everyone should do this. Next...
Yes, everyone should definitely do this. The faster we burn through the Gallente Ice remaining on the market, the faster we'll hit the market crash point. Sometime soon people are going to go to refill their POSes and there won't be enough cheap stuff, so they'll stockpile, so there won't be even enough expensive stuff, and... Whee~! |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
463
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:22:00 -
[570] - Quote
FYI - Official petition has now been sent to CCP |
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
149
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:23:00 -
[571] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:FYI - Official petition has now been sent to CCP
Pubbies are so cute when they're clueless. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
463
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:24:00 -
[572] - Quote
Xython wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:FYI - Official petition has now been sent to CCP Pubbies are so cute when they're clueless.
You are sending me to sleep now...
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Ammzi
Imperial Guardians Blazing Angels Alliance
56
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:24:00 -
[573] - Quote
*shamelessly tries to snipe for first post on next page*
edit: fails quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security
33
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:25:00 -
[574] - Quote
Xython wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:FYI - Official petition has now been sent to CCP Pubbies are so cute when they're clueless.
You MUST be mittens alt
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VaMei
Meafi Corp
30
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:25:00 -
[575] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:FYI - Official petition has now been sent to CCP
I'm sure they'll file it right where it belongs. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
548
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 14:26:00 -
[576] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:FYI - Official petition has now been sent to CCP GÇ£OfficialGÇ¥? Too bad you're not allowed to post the answer when they laugh their collective asses off.
By the way, in that official petition, did you by any chance provide some answers to the following questions: GÇó How is the CSM corrupt? GÇó Where's the abuse? GÇó How is it connected to their GÇ£positions of trustGÇ¥? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
61
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 14:26:00 -
[577] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:FYI - Official petition has now been sent to CCP
Good luck with that. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
149
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:27:00 -
[578] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Xython wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:FYI - Official petition has now been sent to CCP Pubbies are so cute when they're clueless. You are sending me to sleep now...
Goodnight, sweet moron, and may flights of goonies sing thee to thy rest.
With Caldari Navy Antimatter charges. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
548
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 14:28:00 -
[579] - Quote
Ammzi wrote:*shamelessly tries to snipe for first post on next page* edit: fails It's 20 posts per page, showing up as 20n-1 replies in the forum list (or 20n as the post number at the bottom of the page). That's when you strike. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Big Bad Mofo
Comply Or Die
26
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:29:00 -
[580] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:FYI - Official petition has now been sent to CCP GÇ£OfficialGÇ¥? Too bad you're not allowed to post the answer when they laugh their collective asses off. By the way, in that official petition, did you by any chance provide some answers to the following questions: GÇó How is the CSM corrupt? GÇó Where's the abuse? GÇó How is it connected to their GÇ£positions of trustGÇ¥?
damn this guy is an idiot. and tippia you want to have a slanging match with me instead, go ahead, cos youll know about it if you do....
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Wacktopia
Sicarius. Legion of The Damned.
14
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:35:00 -
[581] - Quote
[1] Killing ice miners is a strategic move by the Goons. It is no different from planning to invade a system or declare war on an alliance. It is entirely within in-game mechanics. I see no reason why this should be held again The Mittani with regard to the CSM as it is clearly a tactical move to raise the Ice prices for their own profit.
[2] Scamming is completely allowed in game so long as it's not for PLEX. The ONLY reason why I would disprove of this is if The Mittani said "Hey Im on the CSM, you can trust me", abusing their position, which I do not beleive they are doing from what I have seen. (Stop me if I'm wrong).
/no support |
Shadowsword
The Rough Riders Ares Protectiva
27
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:46:00 -
[582] - Quote
This thread is so full of delicous tears, you could create an ice belt with it.
Like so many others have already said, being a CSM is like being a Dev. It is entirely unrelated to whatever avatar's actions the player happen to control. |
Josefius
Caldari Elite Force Apocalypse Now.
15
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:49:00 -
[583] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC.
It all makes sense now.
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T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:50:00 -
[584] - Quote
should have voted serious internet politician.
CSM 4 Alt2, CSM5 Alt1 / Rage Quit, CSM6 Fail Candidate Hasbeen Ragequitting Creator of New Edens Largest Non-Profit Events
derp. |
Roosterton
Eternal Frontier
93
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:04:00 -
[585] - Quote
Quote:The questions have been answered, perhaps you find it difficult to read. over 400 personal likes and 50+topic likes, still says alot of people agree with me, Like it or not tippia..
60 topic likes out of 3976 topic views. In other words, you have a 1.5% approval rating. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
485
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:06:00 -
[586] - Quote
Roosterton wrote:Quote:The questions have been answered, perhaps you find it difficult to read. over 400 personal likes and 50+topic likes, still says alot of people agree with me, Like it or not tippia.. 60 topic likes out of 3976 topic views. In other words, you have a 1.5% approval rating.
lol haha yeah it really works like that doesnt it, i think i have viewed the topic 200 times at least...tippia at least 1000
however 450 personal likes on this thread and 60 topic lieks from real people is good support and its growing..sorry to disappoint mr goon alt
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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
66
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:12:00 -
[587] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Roosterton wrote:Quote:The questions have been answered, perhaps you find it difficult to read. over 400 personal likes and 50+topic likes, still says alot of people agree with me, Like it or not tippia.. 60 topic likes out of 3976 topic views. In other words, you have a 1.5% approval rating. lol haha yeah it really works like that doesnt it, i think i have viewed the topic 200 times at least...tippia at least 1000 however 450 personal likes on this thread and 60 topic lieks from real people is good support and its growing..sorry to disappoint mr goon alt
Sorry to disappoint you that you don't really have the support that you think you have. Do you realize the number of Goons that have liked your post to see you continue on? So, hows that petition coming? Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
554
|
Posted - 2011.10.17 15:13:00 -
[588] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:lol haha yeah it really works like that doesnt it Yes it does, since having likes strewn out all over the place is something quite different from having them all in one place. And no, my coming into the thread multiple times does not increase the view count the way you imagine (unsurprisinglyGǪ very few things work like you imagine).
The fact of the matter is that you don't have that many likes GÇö a 1.5% approval rating, as mentioned GÇö and a minority of the likes in the thread. Moreover, you have a nice little squad of +1:ers following you around and liking every post you make, regardless of what it contains, which removes all value from those 400 likes you like to wave around.
So yes. You really should stop trying to flaunt that like count, because it only draws attention to how poor your support it.
Instead, you should try to gain some actual support by proving that there is an issue to support. You can do this by answering three very simple questions: GÇó How is the CSM corrupt? GÇó Where's the abuse? GÇó How is it connected to their GÇ£positions of trustGÇ¥? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
baltec1
99
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:13:00 -
[589] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Roosterton wrote:Quote:The questions have been answered, perhaps you find it difficult to read. over 400 personal likes and 50+topic likes, still says alot of people agree with me, Like it or not tippia.. 60 topic likes out of 3976 topic views. In other words, you have a 1.5% approval rating. lol haha yeah it really works like that doesnt it, i think i have viewed the topic 200 times at least...tippia at least 1000 however 450 personal likes on this thread and 60 topic lieks from real people is good support and its growing..sorry to disappoint mr goon alt
60 out of 300000 is a majority |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
66
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:16:00 -
[590] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:lol haha yeah it really works like that doesnt it Yes it does, since having likes strewn out all over the place is something quite different from having them all in one place. And no, my coming into the thread multiple times does not increase the view count the way you imagine (unsurprisinglyGǪ very few things work like you imagine). The fact of the matter is that you don't have that many likes GÇö a 1.5% approval rating, as mentioned GÇö and a minority of the likes in the thread. Moreover, you have a nice little squad of +1:ers following you around and liking every post you make, regardless of what it contains, which removes all value from those 400 likes you like to wave around. So yes. You really should stop trying to flaunt that like count, because it only draws attention to how poor your support it. Instead, you should try to gain some actual support by proving that there is an issue to support. You can do this by answering three very simple questions: GÇó How is the CSM corrupt? GÇó Where's the abuse? GÇó How is it connected to their GÇ£positions of trustGÇ¥?
Keep it up, Tippia!
+1 for the tenacity. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
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Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security
51
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:18:00 -
[591] - Quote
cmon now goon poster brigade... take it like men. You have lost this thread |
David Carel
19
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:20:00 -
[592] - Quote
8/10, it's kind of obvious so not 10/10 but god i laughed |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
68
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:21:00 -
[593] - Quote
Vaffel Junior wrote:cmon now goon poster brigade... take it like men. You have lost this thread
You're one of those people that thinks that 2 + 2 = snack cakes, aren't you? Its okay, we think you're sort of special too. But, please, go have a seat and we'll call you when we need some support from the peanut gallery. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
145
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:24:00 -
[594] - Quote
I, for one, am literally Hit|er (lmao Hit|er is censored) |
Walter Stine
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
40
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:26:00 -
[595] - Quote
I would like to see the CSM implement an E-HONOURE System that rewards honoureable actions.
Here's an example of how it might work:
- Taking Eve seriously is worth 1 point.
- Putting o7, m8s, and gf in chat unironically is worth 3 points.
- Forever living in High Sec is worth 5 points.
- Posting on the EO forums in an honoureable fashion is 7 points.
- And creating a detailed back story or bio is 10 points.
So when you reach a certain number of points someone from CCP shows up at your front door to an take action related to how many points you have.
4 Points: Counseling. Experts work with you through intensive therapy sessions to find and address the root cause of your illness. 6 Points: Rehabilitation. In patient centers designed to deal with your sickness can in some cases return you to a productive and healthy existence. 8 Points: Isolation. There is no hope. It's best that you're completely isolated from the rest of humanity to limit their exposure. 10 Points: Drastic Measures. You'll disappear into an unmarked shallow grave. It's better this way. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
623
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:28:00 -
[596] - Quote
Walter Stine wrote:I would like to see the CSM implement an E-HONOURE System that rewards honoureable actions. Here's an example of how it might work: - Taking Eve seriously is worth 1 point.
- Putting o7, m8s, and gf in chat unironically is worth 3 points.
- Forever living in High Sec is worth 5 points.
- Posting on the EO forums in an honoureable fashion is 7 points.
- And creating a detailed back story or bio is 10 points.
So when you reach a certain number of points someone from CCP shows up at your front door to an take action related to how many points you have. 4 Points: Counseling. Experts work with you through intensive therapy sessions to find and address the root cause of your illness. 6 Points: Rehabilitation. In patient centers designed to deal with your sickness can in some cases return you to a productive and healthy existence. 8 Points: Isolation. There is no hope. It's best that you're completely isolated from the rest of humanity to limit their exposure. 10 Points: Drastic Measures. You'll disappear into an unmarked shallow grave. It's better this way.
Sensible proposals for a better tomorrow!
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
556
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:29:00 -
[597] - Quote
Walter Stine wrote:I would like to see the CSM implement an E-HONOURE System that rewards honoureable actions. Excellent suggestion.
-1 For posting in the wrong section and thread GÇö that should hopefully keep you out of counselling for a while. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
CynoNet Two
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:30:00 -
[598] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Roosterton wrote:Quote:The questions have been answered, perhaps you find it difficult to read. over 400 personal likes and 50+topic likes, still says alot of people agree with me, Like it or not tippia.. 60 topic likes out of 3976 topic views. In other words, you have a 1.5% approval rating. lol haha yeah it really works like that doesnt it, i think i have viewed the topic 200 times at least...tippia at least 1000 however 450 personal likes on this thread and 60 topic lieks from real people is good support and its growing..sorry to disappoint mr goon alt 60 people have liked my posts too, and I'm a terrible poster.
There's no accounting for taste. |
Tarikan
Hardcore p0wnography Cascade Probable
2
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:31:00 -
[599] - Quote
we really need a dislike option added to these forums here.
Mittani - CSM forever!
EDIT - on to the real stuff!
so if i may be clear OP, you're saying that i can scam and steal and grief as much as i want, but when i want to become a CSM member, i can't do those things anymore?
you know that is a hilarious way of thinking, but wrong.
also 4/10, it's too bad you have to hide behind an alt because of your ignorance. |
WhyTry1
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:31:00 -
[600] - Quote
CynoNet Two wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Roosterton wrote:Quote:The questions have been answered, perhaps you find it difficult to read. over 400 personal likes and 50+topic likes, still says alot of people agree with me, Like it or not tippia.. 60 topic likes out of 3976 topic views. In other words, you have a 1.5% approval rating. lol haha yeah it really works like that doesnt it, i think i have viewed the topic 200 times at least...tippia at least 1000 however 450 personal likes on this thread and 60 topic lieks from real people is good support and its growing..sorry to disappoint mr goon alt 60 people have liked my posts too, and I'm a terrible poster. There's no accounting for taste.
probably your goons friends that like them, cos no one else would
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Generals4
150
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:32:00 -
[601] - Quote
While i have nothing against the GOONS nor mittani i do find the whole concept of having someone who's sole purpose is to ruin this game to represent the players to be quite disturbing. I guess the better solution would be to ensure that everyone actually goes to the voting booth. I doubt someone like mittani would be elected for such a job ever again. -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
68
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:33:00 -
[602] - Quote
CynoNet Two wrote: 60 people have liked my posts too, and I'm a terrible poster.
There's no accounting for taste.
+1 for being a great poster. You don't let them stinky poopy pants people get you down. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
35
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:35:00 -
[603] - Quote
Thread moved from General Disucssion. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
556
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:36:00 -
[604] - Quote
CCP Phantom wrote:Thread moved from General Disucssion. To the soap box? That's just meanGǪ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
490
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:48:00 -
[605] - Quote
CCP Phantom wrote:Thread moved from General Disucssion.
Why? to stop it getting exposure? No reads this forum..you should but it back... |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
68
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:50:00 -
[606] - Quote
Generals4 wrote:While i have nothing against the GOONS nor mittani i do find the whole concept of having someone who's sole purpose is to ruin this game to represent the players to be quite disturbing. I guess the better solution would be to ensure that everyone actually goes to the voting booth. I doubt someone like mittani would be elected for such a job ever again.
How is the Mittani and the Goons trying to ruin this game? From everything I've read, the Mittani is trying to improve the game mechanics for everyone that plays. Now, the Goons on the other hand, their sole purpose is to scam and grief, and with a 6000+ member count, they're not ruining the game, but enjoying themselves.
And I doubt anyone like you would ever make it to the CSM position in the first place. -1 for you for not knowing what you talk about. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
68
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:51:00 -
[607] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:CCP Phantom wrote:Thread moved from General Disucssion. Why? to stop it getting exposure? No reads this forum..you should but it back...
hahahahahhahaha. Naw, CCP should leave it right here. Where it belongs. +1 for CCP. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Generals4
150
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:53:00 -
[608] - Quote
Mortis vonShadow wrote:Generals4 wrote:While i have nothing against the GOONS nor mittani i do find the whole concept of having someone who's sole purpose is to ruin this game to represent the players to be quite disturbing. I guess the better solution would be to ensure that everyone actually goes to the voting booth. I doubt someone like mittani would be elected for such a job ever again. How is the Mittani and the Goons trying to ruin this game? From everything I've read, the Mittani is trying to improve the game mechanics for everyone that plays. Now, the Goons on the other hand, their sole purpose is to scam and grief, and with a 6000+ member count, they're not ruining the game, but enjoying themselves. And I doubt anyone like you would ever make it to the CSM position in the first place. -1 for you for not knowing what you talk about.
From what i've read ruining the game is what being a GOON is all about. and to be honest, their actions reflect that pretty well. Now off course in the harsh EVE world it is considered as "the daily stuff" however when an alliance is dedicated to doing that one must ask himself if you truly want those to represent the players. -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
557
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:53:00 -
[609] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Why? Because 'tis a silly thread where you grouse about the CSM. So this is an appropriate spot for it.
Maybe if you had actually tried to discuss those questions, it would have been suited for General Discussion, but alas, you couldn't, wouldn't, and didn'tGǪ so it wasn't, and here we are. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
490
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:56:00 -
[610] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Why? Because 'tis a silly thread where you grouse about the CSM. So this is an appropriate spot for it. Maybe if you had actually tried to discuss those questions, it would have been suited for General Discussion, but alas, you couldn't, wouldn't, and didn'tGǪ so it wasn't, and here we are.
oh god you again...your boring tippia. I will no longer reply to any of your threads, you are an annoying child
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Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
4
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:57:00 -
[611] - Quote
When I learned about the political aspect of EVE I fell in love with this game... With that said....
I hate Sarah Palin
However, Mittani is not Sarah Palin. He actually does things about the obvious stuff. He did NOT leave his powerful post of the THA Goonmaster (sounds more catchy than CEO of goons) just so he could do more things as a "Private Citizen". The Highsec Ice interdiction (IMO a high quality manuver ) was possible because he actually cared about something and does something to combat the problem.
He is a CSM with POWER and he USES it. From what I hear and read, he has done good things for NullSec as a whole.
Has he or his alliance ever benefitted me? No.
Did I vote? No. I had no skin in the game with 1 month in the game. Will I vote next time? Yes, and Mittani will get my vote, should he run again.
Ugh... I got this really bad feeling in my stomach about this post... I just wrote a GOOD post about a Goon.... I gotta go take a HUGE dump..... |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
68
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:57:00 -
[612] - Quote
Generals4 wrote:Mortis vonShadow wrote:Generals4 wrote:While i have nothing against the GOONS nor mittani i do find the whole concept of having someone who's sole purpose is to ruin this game to represent the players to be quite disturbing. I guess the better solution would be to ensure that everyone actually goes to the voting booth. I doubt someone like mittani would be elected for such a job ever again. How is the Mittani and the Goons trying to ruin this game? From everything I've read, the Mittani is trying to improve the game mechanics for everyone that plays. Now, the Goons on the other hand, their sole purpose is to scam and grief, and with a 6000+ member count, they're not ruining the game, but enjoying themselves. And I doubt anyone like you would ever make it to the CSM position in the first place. -1 for you for not knowing what you talk about. From what i've read ruining the game is what being a GOON is all about. and to be honest, their actions reflect that pretty well. Now off course in the harsh EVE world it is considered as "the daily stuff" however when your alliance is dedicated to doing that one must ask is you truly want those to represent the players.
How do they ruin the game? Do they go against the EULA? Nope. Then they don't ruin the game. They may, however, ruin YOUR gaming experience, because you want something risk free, but unfortunately for you and those like you, its not against the EULA. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
68
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:59:00 -
[613] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Why? Because 'tis a silly thread where you grouse about the CSM. So this is an appropriate spot for it. Maybe if you had actually tried to discuss those questions, it would have been suited for General Discussion, but alas, you couldn't, wouldn't, and didn'tGǪ so it wasn't, and here we are. oh god you again...your boring tippia. I will no longer reply to any of your threads, you are an annoying child
You've said that 3+ times now, and yet you always respond to Tippia. I'm beginning to think that you need Tippia, that you want Tippia, because somewhere deep down you know how lame you really do sound.
+1 to Tippia, and -1 to you. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
558
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Posted - 2011.10.17 16:04:00 -
[614] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:oh god you again Yes, my son, it's me, God. Would you like to make a confession? Interesting sentence fragment. Have you considered adding a predicate and maybe an object? If you're going to use the gerund as a subject (together with that very fancy use of the possessive pronoun where most people would have used a personal one instead), you really need to add the other phrases to create a complete clause.
Me boring myself isGǪ what? (Assuming, of course, that I am boring myself, which isn't true, but stillGǪ)
Quote:I will no longer reply to any of your threads Ok. They're all on the old forum, so you can't reply to them anyway.
While we're here, though, maybe you can answer a few questions in relation to your OP: GÇó How is the CSM corrupt? GÇó Where's the abuse? GÇó How is it connected to their GÇ£positions of trustGÇ¥? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security
51
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Posted - 2011.10.17 16:05:00 -
[615] - Quote
Oh... post moved... Nice move there goons |
dent308
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 16:07:00 -
[616] - Quote
Not reading all that. Tears and scams are legal currency. Vote Mittani! |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
152
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Posted - 2011.10.17 16:12:00 -
[617] - Quote
Generals4 wrote:While i have nothing against the GOONS nor mittani i do find the whole concept of having someone who's sole purpose is to ruin this game to represent the players to be quite disturbing. I guess the better solution would be to ensure that everyone actually goes to the voting booth. I doubt someone like mittani would be elected for such a job ever again.
In what way is Mittani's sole purpose to ruin the game? That's the most foolhardy, strawman-filled nonsense I've read today, which is impressive cause I did in fact load EN24.
Sorry to say this, but The Mittani and the cartoon caricature of The Mittani you little pubbies have in your imaginations are not one and the same. He loves this game enough that he was willing to put his entire life on hold just to go to CCP's HQ and try to stop the Jita riots. If he didn't like the game, he would have been out in force in the gaming media throwing gas on the fire.
Listen, just because the big bad goonies destroyed your ice miner bot, it doesn't mean they want to destroy the game. In fact, as I'm pointed out several times in this thread, if you love this game, you'd be out destroying and reporting ice miner bots too. They are the cancer that is killing EVE, just like they were the cancer that all but killed Asheron's Call. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1151
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Posted - 2011.10.17 16:25:00 -
[618] - Quote
Thorn Galen wrote: To The Mittani in particular - the chairman of the CSM
You know there are other areas of space in Eve which require attention in the same manner Highsec has been receiving your love. Don't be biased to just Highsec Empire space. Just take one look at the Sov map, you know what I'm speaking of. This current campaign is a tiny drop in the ocean of Space - there are far bigger fish to fry and I suspect that is your endgame. This campaign is the first domino in your grand plan. Will you be posting the particulars for that, or do you deem it a secret to keep your real enemies in the dark ?
Peace out.
Come now, a girl doesn't kiss and tell. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1151
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Posted - 2011.10.17 16:30:00 -
[619] - Quote
Walter Stine wrote:I would like to see the CSM implement an E-HONOURE System that rewards honoureable actions. Here's an example of how it might work: - Taking Eve seriously is worth 1 point.
- Putting o7, m8s, and gf in chat unironically is worth 3 points.
- Forever living in High Sec is worth 5 points.
- Posting on the EO forums in an honoureable fashion is 7 points.
- And creating a detailed back story or bio is 10 points.
So when you reach a certain number of points someone from CCP shows up at your front door to an take action related to how many points you have. 4 Points: Counseling. Experts work with you through intensive therapy sessions to find and address the root cause of your illness. 6 Points: Rehabilitation. In patient centers designed to deal with your sickness can in some cases return you to a productive and healthy existence. 8 Points: Isolation. There is no hope. It's best that you're completely isolated from the rest of humanity to limit their exposure. 10 Points: Drastic Measures. You'll disappear into an unmarked shallow grave. It's better this way.
now this, gentlemen, this is a post
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Jovan Geldon
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
82
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Posted - 2011.10.17 16:37:00 -
[620] - Quote
At the risk of actually contributing to this trainwreck of a thread, I should point out that "The Mittani" is a character in the internet spaceship game EVE Online.
"Alexander Gianturco" is a member of the Council of Stellar Management, a player-run lobbyist group given stakeholder status by CCP hf., aiming to improve the aforementioned internet spaceship game for all its players.
If you can't appreciate the difference, I suggest you seek psychiatric assistance. |
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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
113
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Posted - 2011.10.17 16:46:00 -
[621] - Quote
Can you explain to me, oh great and wise OP, why every single one of your posts has EXACTLY 6 likes? Is that how many accounts you have?
Hey everyone, make sure that any post disagreeing with the OP gets a like out f you too... OP is just circlejerkin, lets all join in
And, and for the record, I voted for Mittens on one account(my pvp one) and Trebor on my Indy alt. BecauseMittens is good for the game, and the other 7 Non-goon CSM can temper his bloodlust ;) o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Shadako
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.10.17 16:46:00 -
[622] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:CCP Phantom wrote:Thread moved from General Disucssion. Why? to stop it getting exposure? No reads this forum..you should but it back...
Blammo
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Generals4
151
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Posted - 2011.10.17 17:06:00 -
[623] - Quote
Xython wrote:Generals4 wrote:While i have nothing against the GOONS nor mittani i do find the whole concept of having someone who's sole purpose is to ruin this game to represent the players to be quite disturbing. I guess the better solution would be to ensure that everyone actually goes to the voting booth. I doubt someone like mittani would be elected for such a job ever again. In what way is Mittani's sole purpose to ruin the game? That's the most foolhardy, strawman-filled nonsense I've read today, which is impressive cause I did in fact load EN24. Sorry to say this, but The Mittani and the cartoon caricature of The Mittani you little pubbies have in your imaginations are not one and the same. He loves this game enough that he was willing to put his entire life on hold just to go to CCP's HQ and try to stop the Jita riots. If he didn't like the game, he would have been out in force in the gaming media throwing gas on the fire. Listen, just because the big bad goonies destroyed your ice miner bot, it doesn't mean they want to destroy the game. In fact, as I'm pointed out several times in this thread, if you love this game, you'd be out destroying and reporting ice miner bots too. They are the cancer that is killing EVE, just like they were the cancer that all but killed Asheron's Call.
You're not making your alliance look any better by reacting like what i would call a primary school kid. I don't mine ice, never had and never will. Nor do i care a tiny bit about what you do in Gallente space. I'm however expressing my opinion based on what i've seen and read. I may be wrong but GOONS aren't really known for being those who are helpful in any possible way. Which isn't bad per se, i merely have my doubts about whether such people representing the community as a whole is a bright idea. -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
493
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Posted - 2011.10.17 17:10:00 -
[624] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Can you explain to me, oh great and wise OP, why every single one of your posts has EXACTLY 6 likes? Is that how many accounts you have? Hey everyone, make sure that any post disagreeing with the OP gets a like out f you too... OP is just circlejerkin, lets all join in And, and for the record, I voted for Mittens on one account(my pvp one) and Trebor on my Indy alt. BecauseMittens is good for the game, and the other 7 Non-goon CSM can temper his bloodlust ;)
lol nice consipracy theory - thats funny.... oh if you say so...
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Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
262
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Posted - 2011.10.17 17:24:00 -
[625] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Can you explain to me, oh great and wise OP, why every single one of your posts has EXACTLY 6 likes? Is that how many accounts you have? Hey everyone, make sure that any post disagreeing with the OP gets a like out f you too... OP is just circlejerkin, lets all join in And, and for the record, I voted for Mittens on one account(my pvp one) and Trebor on my Indy alt. BecauseMittens is good for the game, and the other 7 Non-goon CSM can temper his bloodlust ;)
Actually, one can like their own post if you switch to an alt, so he probably has 3 accounts. CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog What does CSM 6 do? |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1160
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Posted - 2011.10.17 17:43:00 -
[626] - Quote
Ciar Meara wrote: No fan of The Mittani, but often he makes some sense. He badly misjudged the whole aurm/nex store thing and thus allowed the incarna/ambulation project to be stillborn (no player control/influence/sandbox in stations = dead stations). But he was not alone in that and would have had little control over it until CCP changes/changed business practices.
So yes The Mittani can be annoying, but the OP should not have a hissy fit.
This doesn't even make a lick of sense, and I've read it three times now. /I/ misjudged the NeX rollout, and /I/ ****** up Incarna?
I don't get paid a CCP salary, kiddo. Not my expansion, not my fault. |
Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security
52
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Posted - 2011.10.17 17:52:00 -
[627] - Quote
Two step wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Can you explain to me, oh great and wise OP, why every single one of your posts has EXACTLY 6 likes? Is that how many accounts you have? Hey everyone, make sure that any post disagreeing with the OP gets a like out f you too... OP is just circlejerkin, lets all join in And, and for the record, I voted for Mittens on one account(my pvp one) and Trebor on my Indy alt. BecauseMittens is good for the game, and the other 7 Non-goon CSM can temper his bloodlust ;) Actually, one can like their own post if you switch to an alt, so he probably has 3 accounts.
You are soooo wrong
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Khalia Nestune
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:05:00 -
[628] - Quote
The tears here are so, so sweet.
I'm voting for the Mittani in the next CSM elections; I never cared very much before, but this campaign has made me a huge fan.
Keep up the excellent work.
http://www.mylootyourtears.com |
CapnWinkie
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:09:00 -
[629] - Quote
Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't he be banned anyway for exploitation of game mechanics; instructing everyone participating in the Ice ganking fest on how to get ride of Concord so they won't properly do their job? |
Luctor Etemergo
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:15:00 -
[630] - Quote
CapnWinkie wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't he be banned anyway for exploitation of game mechanics; instructing everyone participating in the Ice ganking fest on how to get ride of Concord so they won't properly do their job?
You need to play more and get a more in depth grip of game mechanics. Everything the goons do is within the limits and rules of the game and its mechanics. If you do feel this is not the case, feel free to petition one of them and see the GM response.
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CapnWinkie
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:18:00 -
[631] - Quote
Luctor Etemergo wrote:CapnWinkie wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't he be banned anyway for exploitation of game mechanics; instructing everyone participating in the Ice ganking fest on how to get ride of Concord so they won't properly do their job? You need to play more and get a more in depth grip of game mechanics. Everything the goons do is within the limits and rules of the game and its mechanics. If you do feel this is not the case, feel free to petition one of them and see the GM response.
I'm reading what CCP says about it and I have to disagree. I'm not sure I can report it as it hasn't happened to me; I' not a miner. |
Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
100
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:20:00 -
[632] - Quote
Its not an exploit to move Concord around as long as you don't use throwaway alts to do it.
Edit: And it will be nice that this thread can finally die and its amazing amount of dumb can rest in peace. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
78
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:20:00 -
[633] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Ciar Meara wrote: No fan of The Mittani, but often he makes some sense. He badly misjudged the whole aurm/nex store thing and thus allowed the incarna/ambulation project to be stillborn (no player control/influence/sandbox in stations = dead stations). But he was not alone in that and would have had little control over it until CCP changes/changed business practices.
So yes The Mittani can be annoying, but the OP should not have a hissy fit.
This doesn't even make a lick of sense, and I've read it three times now. /I/ misjudged the NeX rollout, and /I/ ****** up Incarna? I don't get paid a CCP salary, kiddo. Not my expansion, not my fault.
Silence Hilmar.
NOSTRO AURUM NON EST AURUM VULGI |
Gallosek
Fer Lomarcan Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
0
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:23:00 -
[634] - Quote
ahahahahahaaaa,
Oh, and there is a mechanic for punishing those who shoot innocent people in highsec, it is called Concord, and it is very successfully killing every single one of those ships agressing the miners.
You could always take a new tack, with all that money you're making mining, buy your own gank ships and get the first shot in :)
Or mine something else, somewhere else.
Or do some missions.
Or join whoever-is-fighting-goons in nullsec and either mine there, and help invade goon territory.
Or try FW
Or Incursions
Or ninja salvage all those goon wrecks being generated
Or move into a WH and mine/rat there
Or try market speculation
Or try highsec warfare
Or take a break and go sightseeing (the EVE gate is a dissappointment, but the shattered planets are epic)
Or read all the Eve Chronicles and books
Or try to collect one of every item in the whole of eve
Or infiltrate another corp and run off with their stuff one day
Or find something entirely new and unexpected to do :) |
Venus Vermillion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:29:00 -
[635] - Quote
Oh god help us! Someone is playing the game the way they want to and holding a position at the same time! The game is going to be destroyed because someone is representing the views of a good 33% of the game and not my own personal interests exactly as I believe they should!
Lastly, we're all going to die because I didn't find and ****-up this thread sooner. |
Deopheel Dalonne
Dalonne Smelting and Fabrication
19
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:30:00 -
[636] - Quote
Goons like to identify with the IIIrd Reich ("GoonWaffe" and also the uniforms of certain goons like Andski and others). Goons like to identify with islamic terrorism (Jihad, Osama bin Laden in a recent Mittani post) Mitanni likes to compare himself to Stalin (same post as above).
Ok, this is a game. But there is a limit. Once it is crossed, it just becomes distasetful.
Look at this quote, for example:
The Mittani wrote:Pay no attention to this kulak and his revisionist line; the People's Soviets of Goonswarm have a free and open accounting of their finances, and our socialist science has brough about the closest realization of socialism ever seen in EVE. This is really not funny. When "kulaks" were targeted by the soviets in Ukraine in the 1930s, millions died in a state-induced artificial famine.
Do we really want to play alongside individual who consider such dreadful memories as toys to have fun with ?
Does CCP want to have such people as customers ? |
FOl2TY8
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:36:00 -
[637] - Quote
Darius III wrote: I concur with OP. What Mittani has done, as chairman no less, clearly shows he doesnt take his position seriously and should be voted out. +1
I think Darius should be voted out because of his misogynistic signature. |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
272
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:41:00 -
[638] - Quote
This thread is going to garner Mittens at least a thousand new votes in the next election. Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
101
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:44:00 -
[639] - Quote
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Goons like to identify with the IIIrd Reich ("Goon Waffe" and also the uniforms of certain goons like Andski and others). Goons like to identify with islamic terrorism (Jihad, Osama bin Laden in a recent Mittani post) Mitanni likes to compare himself to Stalin (same post as above). Ok, this is a game. But there is a limit. Once it is crossed, it just becomes distasetful. Look at this quote, for example: The Mittani wrote:Pay no attention to this kulak and his revisionist line; the People's Soviets of Goonswarm have a free and open accounting of their finances, and our socialist science has brough about the closest realization of socialism ever seen in EVE. This is really not funny. When "kulaks" were targeted by the soviets in Ukraine in the 1930s, millions died in a state-induced artificial famine. Do we really want to play alongside individual who consider such dreadful memories as toys to have fun with ? Does CCP want to have such people as customers ?
They do that to elicit a response from people such as yourself. If you can't appreciate the irony then just ignore it. I for one find it hilarious, and like most Goons am not a Stalinst/fascist/rascist etc. And yes for the record, CCP would love to take their money. |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
269
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:47:00 -
[640] - Quote
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Goons like to identify with the IIIrd Reich ("Goon Waffe" and also the uniforms of certain goons like Andski and others). Goons like to identify with islamic terrorism (Jihad, Osama bin Laden in a recent Mittani post) Mitanni likes to compare himself to Stalin (same post as above). Ok, this is a game. But there is a limit. Once it is crossed, it just becomes distasetful. Look at this quote, for example: The Mittani wrote:Pay no attention to this kulak and his revisionist line; the People's Soviets of Goonswarm have a free and open accounting of their finances, and our socialist science has brough about the closest realization of socialism ever seen in EVE. This is really not funny. When "kulaks" were targeted by the soviets in Ukraine in the 1930s, millions died in a state-induced artificial famine. Do we really want to play alongside individual who consider such dreadful memories as toys to have fun with ? Does CCP want to have such people as customers ?
Confirming that mittens is in fact a 3rd reich jihadi stalinist, he told me about his secret plans to crash giant red stars into jewish ukranian skyscrapers. CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog What does CSM 6 do? |
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Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security
52
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:47:00 -
[641] - Quote
Seleene Why did you vote for destruction of supercaps ? You are not a goon........ |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
274
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:56:00 -
[642] - Quote
Vaffel Junior wrote:Seleene Why did you vote for destruction of supercaps ? You are not a goon........
First of all, I don't recall any 'votes' going on but, yes, I supported the move to iterate on Supers. They weren't touched for three years and when they were, it was supposed to be the start of an iterative process. Nearly two years later, they've not been touched again. That's two balancing passes on over five years on one of the most visible and powerful classes in the game. It was long past time to tweak and balance them. Hell, if I had had fighter bays three -four years ago when I did the Fuel Bay announcement, the removal (or a severe nerfing) of regular drone bays would have happened back then. I do not agree with the HP changes as they are nor do I see any reason to reduce the bays for fighters or fighter bombers, but CCP is being active about acting on the feedback they've gotten so far. We'll see what actually hits TQ and what happens in the point releases afterward. Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Deopheel Dalonne
Dalonne Smelting and Fabrication
19
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:57:00 -
[643] - Quote
Zirse wrote:... and like most Goons am not a Stalinst/fascist/rascist etc. Then why do you all enjoy so much pretending to be so ?
Either it is extremely childish, or it borders on psycopathy and then it is scary.
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dent308
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:59:00 -
[644] - Quote
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Zirse wrote:... and like most Goons am not a Stalinst/fascist/rascist etc. Then why do you all enjoy so much pretending to be so ? Either it is extremely childish, or it borders on psycopathy and then it is scary.
Winning. |
Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
101
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Posted - 2011.10.17 19:00:00 -
[645] - Quote
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Zirse wrote:... and like most Goons am not a Stalinst/fascist/rascist etc. Then why do you all enjoy so much pretending to be so ? Either it is extremely childish, or it borders on psycopathy and then it is scary.
Because people like you get upset and I find that funny. |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
221
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Posted - 2011.10.17 19:10:00 -
[646] - Quote
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Zirse wrote:... and like most Goons am not a Stalinst/fascist/rascist etc. Then why do you all enjoy so much pretending to be so ? Either it is extremely childish, or it borders on psycopathy and then it is scary.
Confirming we are all psychopaths. Every. Single One. Of. Us.
Scared yet?
You Should Be |
Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security AAA Citizens
52
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Posted - 2011.10.17 19:13:00 -
[647] - Quote
Seleene wrote:Vaffel Junior wrote:Seleene Why did you vote for destruction of supercaps ? You are not a goon........ First of all, I don't recall any 'votes' going on but, yes, I supported the move to iterate on Supers. They weren't touched for three years and when they were, it was supposed to be the start of an iterative process. Nearly two years later, they've not been touched again. That's two balancing passes on over five years on one of the most visible and powerful classes in the game. It was long past time to tweak and balance them. Hell, if I had had fighter bays three -four years ago when I did the Fuel Bay announcement, the removal (or a severe nerfing) of regular drone bays would have happened back then. I do not agree with the HP changes as they are nor do I see any reason to reduce the bays for fighters or fighter bombers, but CCP is being active about acting on the feedback they've gotten so far. We'll see what actually hits TQ and what happens in the point releases afterward.
Thanks for the ansver..... I know my q was a little harse.... im sorry... but im angry.... been flying a nyx for over a year now... and cant see that it is overpowered... actualy... its bad at shooting towers with..... only thing to use is senteryes.... witch after nerf is not an option eaven that... Figtherbombers dont work on subcaps..... and figthers are slow... Still.... CSM agreed with CCP that SC needed a nerf.... I dont understand...
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Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
59
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Posted - 2011.10.17 19:15:00 -
[648] - Quote
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Zirse wrote:... and like most Goons am not a Stalinst/fascist/rascist etc. Then why do you all enjoy so much pretending to be so ? Either it is extremely childish, or it borders on psycopathy and then it is scary.
It's important to demystify and humanize these things instead of letting them become gargantuan intellectual bogeymen whose names are only spoken in whispers. Humor keeps these things accessible and relatable, such that we can engage the still very pertinent issues they represent.
It's the people who are afraid of a word and who just classify things away as unspeakable who are childish, and more likely to end up failing to learn valuable lessons from engaging these topics.
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Ammzi
Imperial Guardians Blazing Angels Alliance
57
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Posted - 2011.10.17 19:18:00 -
[649] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Ammzi wrote:*shamelessly tries to snipe for first post on next page* edit: fails It's 20 posts per page, showing up as 20n-1 replies in the forum list (or 20n as the post number at the bottom of the page). That's when you strike.
Thank you sir! quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
53
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Posted - 2011.10.17 19:30:00 -
[650] - Quote
Vaffel Junior wrote:Thanks for the ansver..... I know my q was a little harse.... im sorry... but im angry.... been flying a nyx for over a year now... and cant see that it is overpowered... actualy... its bad at shooting towers with..... only thing to use is senteryes.... witch after nerf is not an option eaven that... Figtherbombers dont work on subcaps..... and figthers are slow... Still.... CSM agreed with CCP that SC needed a nerf.... I dont understand... but.. offtopic ahahahahahaha look at the guy in the crappy renter alliance all mad about supercaps
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Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security AAA Citizens
52
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Posted - 2011.10.17 19:39:00 -
[651] - Quote
Goddess Ishtar wrote: ahahahahahaha look at the guy in the crappy renter alliance all mad about supercaps
Yeah.... I heard that my corp joined a aliance of some sort..... But im not logging on to quit... effort
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baltec1
106
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Posted - 2011.10.17 19:46:00 -
[652] - Quote
Vaffel Junior wrote:Thanks for the ansver..... I know my q was a little harse.... im sorry... but im angry.... been flying a nyx for over a year now... and cant see that it is overpowered... actualy... its bad at shooting towers with..... only thing to use is senteryes.... witch after nerf is not an option eaven that... Figtherbombers dont work on subcaps..... and figthers are slow... Still.... CSM agreed with CCP that SC needed a nerf.... I dont understand... but.. offtopic
A message from all sub caps for you |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
49
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Posted - 2011.10.17 19:49:00 -
[653] - Quote
White Tree wrote:Deviana Sevidon wrote: Yup, that is politics, corrupts politics
Look at how wrong you are.
A really witty reply, perhaps I got a bit closer to the truth then you would like. |
Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
55
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Posted - 2011.10.17 19:55:00 -
[654] - Quote
Vaffel Junior wrote:Goddess Ishtar wrote: ahahahahahaha look at the guy in the crappy renter alliance all mad about supercaps
Yeah.... I heard that my corp joined a alliance of some sort..... But im not logging on to quit...to mutch effort Hopefully all supercap pilots will follow your example and never log on. |
sbeaulieu
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2011.10.17 19:59:00 -
[655] - Quote
All Goons are Evil! Get out! Any member linked to the Goonswarm Federation alliance should be banned and removed from the game to clean this game of their horribleness. |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
115
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Posted - 2011.10.17 20:03:00 -
[656] - Quote
sbeaulieu wrote:All Goons are Evil! Get out! Any member linked to the Goonswarm Federation alliance should be banned and removed from the game to clean this game of their horribleness. You forgot your alt o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
224
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Posted - 2011.10.17 20:09:00 -
[657] - Quote
sbeaulieu wrote:All Goons are Evil! Get out! Any member linked to the Goonswarm Federation alliance should be banned and removed from the game to clean this game of their horribleness.
Kick WIDOT.
At least from the forums, they're all terrible posters. |
Lorren Canada
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
65
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Posted - 2011.10.17 20:11:00 -
[658] - Quote
Holy ****, look at the tears. This is ******* priceless. |
David Carel
23
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Posted - 2011.10.17 20:11:00 -
[659] - Quote
You'll never get stuff shipped again Feligast. |
David Carel
26
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Posted - 2011.10.17 20:12:00 -
[660] - Quote
Only if you compensate me for the immense mental pain you have caused. Page 34 snipe :3 |
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Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
226
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Posted - 2011.10.17 20:25:00 -
[661] - Quote
David Carel wrote:You'll never get stuff shipped again Feligast.
See? Another terrible post.
(Oh God, what have I done?) |
David Carel
26
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Posted - 2011.10.17 20:27:00 -
[662] - Quote
Nom |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
226
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Posted - 2011.10.17 20:31:00 -
[663] - Quote
Want. |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
115
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Posted - 2011.10.17 20:32:00 -
[664] - Quote
OP forgot to do something me things o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
David Carel
26
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Posted - 2011.10.17 20:35:00 -
[665] - Quote
How could I forget this |
sbeaulieu
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2011.10.17 20:41:00 -
[666] - Quote
ahhhh so cute. |
baltec1
107
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Posted - 2011.10.17 21:01:00 -
[667] - Quote
Well would you look at the time |
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
17
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Posted - 2011.10.17 21:03:00 -
[668] - Quote
THIS IS WHY WE'RE FAT |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
117
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Posted - 2011.10.17 21:06:00 -
[669] - Quote
You have to love it... o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
214
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Posted - 2011.10.17 21:12:00 -
[670] - Quote
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Goons like to identify with the IIIrd Reich ("GoonWaffe" and also the uniforms of certain goons like Andski and others).
yeah I see the striking similarities between my character portrait and a Waffen-SS officer |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
214
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Posted - 2011.10.17 21:13:00 -
[671] - Quote
CCP needs to add iron crosses to the nex store |
Venus Vermillion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2011.10.17 21:19:00 -
[672] - Quote
The OP makes a great argument for a return of the "Dislike" or "neg rep" button. |
sbeaulieu
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2011.10.17 21:26:00 -
[673] - Quote
Andski wrote:CCP needs to add iron crosses to the nex store
Now that might be inappropriate... therefore I would buy one unless it cost more than a monocle. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1193
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Posted - 2011.10.17 21:28:00 -
[674] - Quote
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Goons like to identify with the IIIrd Reich ("Goon Waffe" and also the uniforms of certain goons like Andski and others). Goons like to identify with islamic terrorism (Jihad, Osama bin Laden in a recent Mittani post) Mitanni likes to compare himself to Stalin (same post as above). Ok, this is a game. But there is a limit. Once it is crossed, it just becomes distasetful. Look at this quote, for example: The Mittani wrote:Pay no attention to this kulak and his revisionist line; the People's Soviets of Goonswarm have a free and open accounting of their finances, and our socialist science has brough about the closest realization of socialism ever seen in EVE. This is really not funny. When "kulaks" were targeted by the soviets in Ukraine in the 1930s, millions died in a state-induced artificial famine. Do we really want to play alongside individual who consider such dreadful memories as toys to have fun with ? Does CCP want to have such people as customers ?
I also gain pleasure from hurting people, and I prefer girls to be in chains and begging. |
David Carel
29
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Posted - 2011.10.17 21:29:00 -
[675] - Quote
Danks wrote:THIS IS WHY WE'RE FAT
I'm actually pretty skinny. |
Largo Coronet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.10.17 21:30:00 -
[676] - Quote
Andski wrote:CCP needs to add iron crosses to the nex store And a free copy of "Mein Kampf" with every monocle. |
L1m9n1663r
The Treehugger Corp None Of The Above
23
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Posted - 2011.10.17 21:36:00 -
[677] - Quote
The Mittani wrote: I also gain pleasure from hurting people, and I prefer girls to be in chains and begging.
PLEASE!! You are hurting me!! |
Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
60
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Posted - 2011.10.17 21:40:00 -
[678] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:and I prefer girls to be in chains and begging.
My women are always begging...
...for more deep dikking.
:shadesdescendmagicallyfromtopofscreen:
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Tora Oni
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2011.10.17 21:49:00 -
[679] - Quote
Its simple. The Mittani got enough votes to be chairman. You don't have to like how he plays EVE, but its allowed and there is a big group of people who like that too. If you want someone else in "power", vote for someone else or go do it yourself. Its called a democracy. Your post should be called "Vote for me next time !". That would be constructive. |
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
17
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Posted - 2011.10.17 21:50:00 -
[680] - Quote
David Carel wrote:Danks wrote:THIS IS WHY WE'RE FAT I'm actually pretty skinny.
Me too I'm actually one of those people who can eat anything and not gain weight. I probably should have posted that with an alt. |
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Tarikan
Hardcore p0wnography Cascade Probable
4
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Posted - 2011.10.17 22:54:00 -
[681] - Quote
CapnWinkie wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't he be banned anyway for exploitation of game mechanics; instructing everyone participating in the Ice ganking fest on how to get ride of Concord so they won't properly do their job?
so by your thinking, Anyone who participates in Hulkageddon should be banned because it exploits game mechanics by instructing all of the eve pirate community to gank any and all miners?
oh that's right. |
RIP Wash
FISKL GUARDS The Kadeshi
0
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Posted - 2011.10.17 22:58:00 -
[682] - Quote
This OP has very nearly convinced me vote for mittens next election.
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RDevz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.10.17 23:20:00 -
[683] - Quote
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Goons like to identify with the IIIrd Reich ("GoonWaffe" and also the uniforms of certain goons like Andski and others).
"Waffe" is German for "Weapon". Now, the Luftwaffe ("Air-weapon") has been around for some time. It started off in 1935 as the air arm of the Wehrmacht, this is true. However, the Bundeswehr air force is also called the Luftwaffe, and was formed in 1956. Consequently, one cannot simply say "Goonwaffe" and draw an immediate parallel to National Socialism. Indeed, the Federal version of the Luftwaffe has been around for over 5 times as long as its predecessor.
Cefte, as a history buff, knew this, and suggested the name Goonwaffe (lit. "Goon-weapon") back in 2006, when GoonFleet ran out of space, because CCP hadn't released the sovereignty skill (Google search: "The Sad Little Bee"). |
Johan Krieger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.10.17 23:56:00 -
[684] - Quote
All I'm reading in the OP is "I'm upset because Mittani is playing the game just like everyone else! He shouldn't be allowed to have fun! Boo hoo hoo hoo!"
Grow up, Kid. It's a game, he can play it however he wants. If he wants to go around ripping off idiots then so be it. It's EVE. EVE is a harsh world where harsh things happen. If you can't handle that then maybe you should go play WoW where the GM's will give you back your money because some goony goon stole it.
Harden the **** up. |
Sir Substance
Tactical Knightmare
74
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Posted - 2011.10.18 00:08:00 -
[685] - Quote
Jesus christ guys, I've got 160 notifications. I'm unsubscribing from this monstrosity. Play nice! |
Koby Botick
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.10.18 00:57:00 -
[686] - Quote
Sir Substance wrote:[quote=Mr R4nd0m] Personally, I think terry pratchett had it right when he suggested that we should just throw every politician in jail as soon as we elect them. In the words of someone I can't remember who was probably fictional, those who desire power are the least suited to wield it.
If you bring Terry Pratchett into this, then just think of the Mittani as Lord Veterinari. That's actually a very fitting analogy.
Just came in to post this, because the thread and OP is way beyond dumb.
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Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
877
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Posted - 2011.10.18 01:09:00 -
[687] - Quote
RIP Wash wrote:This OP has very nearly convinced me vote for mittens next election.
you should
mittens 2012: a ragepost in every forum |
Sirhan Blixt
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.10.18 01:42:00 -
[688] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:"Being the CSM chairman doesn't mean that you're bound to a more limited set of rules as a player than anyone else. It's EVE, he can abuse his title as much as he wants as long as he doesn't breach NDA (like Darius III did)" HOLY SH*T IS THIS TRUE - CCP PLEASE DONT TELL ME THIS IS TRUE!! OMFG This is where you should have stopped.
The rest of this post is not for you. It's for anybody left even slightly in your camp that's even slightly trainable.
- You are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts. No one is obligated to share in your delusion.
- CSM members are under no obligation to maintain anything resembling a "position of trust." Your arbitrary definitions of the CSM or what consitute a CSM member's responsibilities are irrelevant, no matter how many hypothetical or "real world" anecdotes you've tried to drag into the conversation.
- In fact, applicable regulatory guidance, such as it is, is quite clear on CSM members' expected standards of behavior. It reads pretty much like the money quote above.
- The conversation logs about the scams in question are a matter of public record. Nowhere in either of them does the Mittani cite his position as CSM chairman as any sort of guarantee or authority or assurance of trust.
- If, after all the prevailing evidence, and total lack of proof, you still are willing to trot out the notion that the Mittani or any other CSM member is "corrupt" or guilty of some sort of malfeasance requiring either negative sanction or changing game mechanics, then your delusion is willful and you are deliberately arguing in bad faith. And there is no reason to listen to you, no matter how many "likes" you claim to have received.
- There is no sixth thing.
My griefer alt can't come out of the cooker fast enough. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
471
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Posted - 2011.10.18 01:44:00 -
[689] - Quote
OP.
I dislike Mittens for being in charge of G**nsville. My reasons have been stated. I dislike Mittens for doing what he has/has not done on the CSM. My reasons have also been stated. Whether people agree with me or not is just part of the fun.
But I have never, and never will accuse Mittens of using his role to do things that are NOT allowed in game.
Arguing an "ethical" standpoint where the two roles might intersect is fine but pointless; I know, I've tried
Regardless, The Mittani has to be "ethical" in RL to deal with CCP as much as he can be who he damn well pleases in game.
There IS a difference.
I can't support your post or it's reasoning even if it means missing out on an opportunity at pissing off the G&&ns.... Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Sirhan Blixt
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.10.18 01:47:00 -
[690] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:OP. I dislike Mittens for being in charge of G**nsville. My reasons have been stated. I dislike Mittens for doing what he has/has not done on the CSM. My reasons have also been stated. Whether people agree with me or not is just part of the fun. But I have never, and never will accuse Mittens of using his role to do things that are NOT allowed in game. Arguing an "ethical" standpoint where the two roles might intersect is fine but pointless; I know, I've tried Regardless, The Mittani has to be "ethical" in RL to deal with CCP as much as he can be who he damn well pleases in game. There IS a difference. I can't support your post or it's reasoning even if it means missing out on an opportunity at pissing off the G&&ns.... Holy cow who are you and what have you done with The Apostle? |
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Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
132
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Posted - 2011.10.18 01:51:00 -
[691] - Quote
Sirhan Blixt wrote:The Apostle wrote:OP. I dislike Mittens for being in charge of G**nsville. My reasons have been stated. I dislike Mittens for doing what he has/has not done on the CSM. My reasons have also been stated. Whether people agree with me or not is just part of the fun. But I have never, and never will accuse Mittens of using his role to do things that are NOT allowed in game. Arguing an "ethical" standpoint where the two roles might intersect is fine but pointless; I know, I've tried Regardless, The Mittani has to be "ethical" in RL to deal with CCP as much as he can be who he damn well pleases in game. There IS a difference. I can't support your post or it's reasoning even if it means missing out on an opportunity at pissing off the G&&ns.... Holy cow who are you and what have you done with The Apostle? Maybe he's tired of being on the wrong side of every single issue.
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Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
21
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Posted - 2011.10.18 01:52:00 -
[692] - Quote
Botleten wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
Think you need to read again..everyone else seems to understand it..
Are you stupid or just blind? There's 18 pages of people call you an idiot in this thread. Your OP has 2100 views and 31 likes... you do the math. Somewhere in the range of 1.5% of people agree with you...
Do you think the overbearing number of Goons reading this thread might affect that ratio? Hm? As for the Mittani... I don't really care about his being on the CSM or not.. As far as I'm concerned he is nothing more than the Leader of one of the larger Serf Plantations in Zero that need to be exterminated. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1203
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Posted - 2011.10.18 02:50:00 -
[693] - Quote
Comrade Commizzar wrote:Botleten wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
Think you need to read again..everyone else seems to understand it..
Are you stupid or just blind? There's 18 pages of people call you an idiot in this thread. Your OP has 2100 views and 31 likes... you do the math. Somewhere in the range of 1.5% of people agree with you... Do you think the overbearing number of Goons reading this thread might affect that ratio? Hm? As for the Mittani... I don't really care about his being on the CSM or not.. As far as I'm concerned he is nothing more than the Leader of one of the larger Serf Plantations in Zero that need to be exterminated.
Goons are a free people, empowered by Soviet Science and a thorough understanding of Marxist dialectic. A dialectic which you are sorely lacking in, kulak pretender. Have you read your Gramsci? Do you know the difference between even the Third and the Fourth International? Your ideological underpinnings are weak, and your thought is shallow - surely the sign of a reactionary agent provocateur, a capitalist wolf in Maoist clothing~ |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1203
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 02:52:00 -
[694] - Quote
yeah i've read das kapital and i've got the prison notebooks on my ipad, what up
don't bring me any of that weaksauce JDPEN crap son i'm ~~~straight outta lf~~~ |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
106
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 03:03:00 -
[695] - Quote
Sic 'em Mittani!
+1 (Mittani for CSM Chair for life!)
Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Sirhan Blixt
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 04:41:00 -
[696] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:yeah i've read das kapital and i've got the prison notebooks on my ipad, what up don't bring me any of that weaksauce JDPEN crap son i'm ~~~straight outta lf~~~ I think ... in about three hours ... that I am going to have to be hospitalized for priapism.
It just won't. Go. Down. |
Celery Man
Talocan Mining And Industrial Talocan United
3
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 04:47:00 -
[697] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:Celery Man wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Scamming and Ganking are allowed. If you trust someone because of a Title you should stop doing that immediately.
Being an A$$hole is not grounds for removal from office, just ask any elected official anywhere at anytime. If you do not like him then ether find a real crime that is against the rules and provide evidence or wait till his term expires and vote him out next term.
YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT It is a problem when you hold a position of trust...they want to scam fine BUT THEY STEP DOWN FROM CSM - SIMPLE AS YOU are missing the point. I voted for the mittani and if he scammed me out of my fortune and burnt all that I owned in this game to dust, i would vote for him once again and with more passion than the first time. I want someone in charge of the CSM who understands the game better than me, and by your whole point of view its clear you really really REALLY do not understand this game. Its Eve ffs... we came here to get away from players like you. You would?! And what's with "we" came here - who do YOU represent? You mean "we" should think like you do? This merely proves that Darwinism in Eve is just a mere concept. Not a practise. "I" came here to get away from players like "you" - I was told the Eve playerbase had a higher IQ than the average game! Obviously not.
Darwinism is alive and well in eve - your here crying, while others much smarter than you (And in this specific case me as well, slow poke that i am to the markets) are making insane amounts of isk off of others work ganking in the ice belts. |
Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
150
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 06:34:00 -
[698] - Quote
OP needs to man the f*ck up /thread |
Deopheel Dalonne
Dalonne Smelting and Fabrication
23
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 07:33:00 -
[699] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Goons like to identify with the IIIrd Reich ("Goon Waffe" and also the uniforms of certain goons like Andski and others). Goons like to identify with islamic terrorism (Jihad, Osama bin Laden in a recent Mittani post) Mitanni likes to compare himself to Stalin (same post as above). Ok, this is a game. But there is a limit. Once it is crossed, it just becomes distasetful. Look at this quote, for example: The Mittani wrote:Pay no attention to this kulak and his revisionist line; the People's Soviets of Goonswarm have a free and open accounting of their finances, and our socialist science has brough about the closest realization of socialism ever seen in EVE. This is really not funny. When "kulaks" were targeted by the soviets in Ukraine in the 1930s, millions died in a state-induced artificial famine. Do we really want to play alongside individual who consider such dreadful memories as toys to have fun with ? Does CCP want to have such people as customers ? I also gain pleasure from hurting people, and I prefer girls to be in chains and begging. You do not. You are just a grown child trying to exorcise his fears.
It is pathetic. |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
236
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 07:39:00 -
[700] - Quote
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:You do not. You are just a grown child trying to exorcise his fears.
It is pathetic.
I know you are, but what is he??
(stooping to your level ITP) |
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Deopheel Dalonne
Dalonne Smelting and Fabrication
23
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 09:07:00 -
[701] - Quote
Feligast wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote:You do not. You are just a grown child trying to exorcise his fears.
It is pathetic. I know you are, but what is he?? (stooping to your level ITP) Come on! Enjoying onself becaus one is able to spread "misery" in a video game without any risk to oneself ? Obviously you do not know what real misery is ...
A bunch of perverted sadistic bored rich grown kids. Isn't that the very definition of pathetic ?
Look at the guys in this picture. Look at how they take themselves seriously. Aren't they the epitome of pathetic ? |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 09:16:00 -
[702] - Quote
Deopheel Dalonne wrote: Come on! Enjoying onself becaus one is able to spread "misery" in a video game without any risk to oneself ? Obviously you do not know what real misery is ...
There's a pretty big risk in the form of flubbing a gank embarrassingly and then being taunted. We in GSF take our space skills very seriously, and some never recover from the stress of being humiliated.
There's also the trauma of accidentally reading posts like yours |
Deopheel Dalonne
Dalonne Smelting and Fabrication
23
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 09:26:00 -
[703] - Quote
ExhumeToConsume wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote: Come on! Enjoying onself becaus one is able to spread "misery" in a video game without any risk to oneself ? Obviously you do not know what real misery is ...
There's a pretty big risk in the form of flubbing a gank embarrassingly and then being taunted. We in GSF take our space skills very seriously, and some never recover from the stress of being humiliated. There's also the trauma of accidentally reading posts like yours Touch+¬. |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
121
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 09:30:00 -
[704] - Quote
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Look at the guys in this picture. Look at how they take themselves seriously. Aren't they the epitome of pathetic ? How is sitting around smoking a joint taking yourself seriously?
Apparently, I'm the most serious person on the planet o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
kari bourza
The Black Legionnares Fidelas Constans
3
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 10:18:00 -
[705] - Quote
TL;DR : Mittani ganked my ship and since he is CSM he shouldn't be allowed to play the game as it was intended to be played (
great logic ), i petitioned him to daddy - CCP because i cant deal with it, and despite the fact that no rules were broken or
cheating involved ( in case you wonder why your serious petition take so long ), can i haz a medal ?
i would like to read your petition for the giggles, since no rules were broken and no cheating was involved, what would you
petition about ? i m curious |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
121
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 10:22:00 -
[706] - Quote
hay gaiz, chek dis oot!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=22904&find=unread
caerberz gonna untie to pul daun goonz!!!! o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Shawnm339
Galactic Shipyards Inc NEM3SIS.
11
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 11:06:00 -
[707] - Quote
so basically since i last posted in this thread you have been laid at least 6 times and it's still as pathetic now as it was then...I blatantly think you need some time off from Eve for comparing the CSM to *****..that's an insult of the lowest order.....they are players in an internet space game the characters they play as can be as different as sides of a dice depending on the mood they're in.....alts are different facets and as such can be whatever the person in rl wants them to be.....ITS JUST A GAME
No one is to be trusted in this game that's just a given I do however trust implicitly that the current CSM is serving the interests of the playerbase I mean seriously if they're corrupt what do they get? SOME MORE MADE UP SPACE MONEY.....jesus how hard can it be to see that the OP has way too much invested in this game to even think straight bet his kids sit there hungry cos daddies got to mine a rock first.....seriously someone ban him before social services come round ala that Farmville incident |
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
17
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 12:06:00 -
[708] - Quote
So the official petition was submitted to CCP, right? What's the official response? |
Azami Nevinyrall
NOMAD.
0
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 12:35:00 -
[709] - Quote
There is other ways of dealing with issues like goonswarm in a sandbox MMO.
Wining like a little ***** isn't one of them!
If you have an issue with something in game, walk out of your mommys vag and do something about it...
Yes goonswarm isn't playing fair, but they are still playing within the rules...
The most annoying thing about these forums is that players ***** and wine all the time about how ccp is killing this game by letting players do what they want. (isn't that the whole point of this game?) and yet, these same players still pay 1-? subscription fees... ******* awesome!
On the heads side of the coin, keep up the ganks goons! Being an ex highsec Exhumers ganker myself I support people who mix up the game a little...
The tails, high sec miners should start fitting their exhumers in anti gank gang fits. 3-4 Macks in a certain fit can curvive a suicide Battlecruiser or 2. With a little logi and other ship types (50/50 ratio of miners and support) can somewhat survive almost all high sec ganks... (with the odd exception of the smartbombing BS gank) |
Big Bad Mofo
Comply Or Die
26
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 13:47:00 -
[710] - Quote
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:There is other ways of dealing with issues like goonswarm in a sandbox MMO.
Wining like a little ***** isn't one of them!
If you have an issue with something in game, walk out of your mommys vag and do something about it...
Yes goonswarm isn't playing fair, but they are still playing within the rules...
The most annoying thing about these forums is that players ***** and wine all the time about how ccp is killing this game by letting players do what they want. (isn't that the whole point of this game?) and yet, these same players still pay 1-? subscription fees... ******* awesome!
On the heads side of the coin, keep up the ganks goons! Being an ex highsec Exhumers ganker myself I support people who mix up the game a little...
The tails, high sec miners should start fitting their exhumers in anti gank gang fits. 3-4 Macks in a certain fit can curvive a suicide Battlecruiser or 2. With a little logi and other ship types (50/50 ratio of miners and support) can somewhat survive almost all high sec ganks... (with the odd exception of the smartbombing BS gank)
Wow this is an idiot right there.... I guess you have no clue what this thread is about... get out...
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Blaze Stigma
Vindicator Corporation Strategic Alliance
0
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 13:48:00 -
[711] - Quote
I want to ask you all of the goons and Mittani here a question ..
I want to know how long are you gonna to keep blocking us Ice Miners . this cant last forever .
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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
111
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 13:58:00 -
[712] - Quote
Blaze Stigma wrote:I want to ask you all of the goons and Mittani here a question ..
I want to know how long are you gonna to keep blocking us Ice Miners . this cant last forever .
From a hisec miners point of view? Hopefully forever.
+1 to the Goons for bring the excitment back to hisec. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
111
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 13:59:00 -
[713] - Quote
Big Bad Mofo wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:There is other ways of dealing with issues like goonswarm in a sandbox MMO.
Wining like a little ***** isn't one of them!
If you have an issue with something in game, walk out of your mommys vag and do something about it...
Yes goonswarm isn't playing fair, but they are still playing within the rules...
The most annoying thing about these forums is that players ***** and wine all the time about how ccp is killing this game by letting players do what they want. (isn't that the whole point of this game?) and yet, these same players still pay 1-? subscription fees... ******* awesome!
On the heads side of the coin, keep up the ganks goons! Being an ex highsec Exhumers ganker myself I support people who mix up the game a little...
The tails, high sec miners should start fitting their exhumers in anti gank gang fits. 3-4 Macks in a certain fit can curvive a suicide Battlecruiser or 2. With a little logi and other ship types (50/50 ratio of miners and support) can somewhat survive almost all high sec ganks... (with the odd exception of the smartbombing BS gank) Wow this is an idiot right there.... I guess you have no clue what this thread is about... get out...
Wow this is an idiot right there.... I guess YOU have no clue what this thread is about... get out... Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Roosterton
Eternal Frontier
97
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 15:08:00 -
[714] - Quote
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Goons like to identify with the IIIrd Reich ("Goon Waffe" and also the uniforms of certain goons like Andski and others). Goons like to identify with islamic terrorism (Jihad, Osama bin Laden in a recent Mittani post) Mitanni likes to compare himself to Stalin (same post as above). Ok, this is a game. But there is a limit. Once it is crossed, it just becomes distasetful. Look at this quote, for example: The Mittani wrote:Pay no attention to this kulak and his revisionist line; the People's Soviets of Goonswarm have a free and open accounting of their finances, and our socialist science has brough about the closest realization of socialism ever seen in EVE. This is really not funny. When "kulaks" were targeted by the soviets in Ukraine in the 1930s, millions died in a state-induced artificial famine. Do we really want to play alongside individual who consider such dreadful memories as toys to have fun with ? Does CCP want to have such people as customers ?
Noun
Waffe f (genitive Waffe, plural Waffen) weapon, arm talon
So using German words makes one a **** now? This is the most racist thing I've ever read.
"Jihad" is just an Arabic translation for "struggle," and doesn't necessarily have any religious implications. It's frequently used in Islamic texts, yes, but not necessarily in a violent purpose. (al-jihad fi sabil Allah: "Striving in the way of god.") The word is by no means a reference to Islamic terrorism.
And what's wrong with comparing oneself to Stalin? He was ruthless; Goons are ruthless. He was influential; Goons are influential. Seems like a pretty decent comparison to me.
And "Kulak" is just a rank of Russian peasant, probably keeping in line with his Soviet Stalin roleplaying.
You really do need to work on your definitions a bit more before trying to use them to make an incoherent argument. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
588
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 15:16:00 -
[715] - Quote
Hmm interesting to see the goons setup on D3, more Goons CSM Corruption.
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS CCP!!! WHEN!!???
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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
112
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 16:09:00 -
[716] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Hmm interesting to see the goons setup on D3, more Goons CSM Corruption.
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS CCP!!! WHEN!!???
Never.
I can understand your angst, but what I don't understand is your drive to accuse someone and others of being corrupt. Why? because they play the game within the boundries set forth thru CCP? You assume that because they roleplay a certain way they are miscreants or they are abusing their positions in real life.
Lets expand your thought process a bit. Bear with me, I'm feeling very ill today.
When I first started playing EVE, I was a pirate, and did all the things you are up in arms against. Does that make me a ****** person in real life?
When I was 22 years old, I was a young Marine that went to Liberia and helped rescue 5000 people from the horrors of the civil war that was raging hardcore back in 1990. In 1989 I was with the battalion of Marines that got Noriega out of power. In 1991 I was in the First Gulf War.
Today at the age of 44, I own and run a restaurant that has over 100 employees. I help my employees with their quest for a better education, if I find they are here in the US other than legally, I hire attorneys to help them overcome the barriers to becoming a legal citizen and I have currently hired an english teacher to teach them the language. I am very active in the neighborhood watch program, and because me and few others like me in my subdivision, our crime rate is almost non-exsistant.
Currently, in EVE I'm a hisec miner. But, I also, go out and gank hisec miners and ice miners when I get bored, because lets face it, the mining lasers sometimes just get old. Or I go into mission areas and try and gank hisec mission runners, not successful as of yet. But, mostly I try and get some good 1v1 in hisec without getting blobbed.
So what am I? Am I a knuckle dragging ******* as you make all the Goons out to be? No, I'm just like every other EVE player, I don't take it too seriously and I don't care if someone comes in and ruins my mining operation(s).
Relax a bit, take a deep breath, organize a resistance to what is going on in the game, and enjoy yourself. YOU are what drives EVE. There is very little content developed by the Devs. Its that way for a reason. The Goons and those like them, like you, and like me are the content of the game. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
94
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 16:49:00 -
[717] - Quote
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Goons like to identify with the IIIrd Reich ("Goon Waffe" and also the uniforms of certain goons like Andski and others). Goons like to identify with islamic terrorism (Jihad, Osama bin Laden in a recent Mittani post) Mitanni likes to compare himself to Stalin (same post as above). Ok, this is a game. But there is a limit. Once it is crossed, it just becomes distasetful. Look at this quote, for example: The Mittani wrote:Pay no attention to this kulak and his revisionist line; the People's Soviets of Goonswarm have a free and open accounting of their finances, and our socialist science has brough about the closest realization of socialism ever seen in EVE. This is really not funny. When "kulaks" were targeted by the soviets in Ukraine in the 1930s, millions died in a state-induced artificial famine. Do we really want to play alongside individual who consider such dreadful memories as toys to have fun with ? Does CCP want to have such people as customers ? Amusingly, you'll find that McDonalds also has such people as customers. |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
924
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 16:51:00 -
[718] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Hmm interesting to see the goons setup on D3, more Goons CSM Corruption.
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS CCP!!! WHEN!!???
would you like an aeon, i've got one for sale |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
187
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 17:29:00 -
[719] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Hmm interesting to see the goons setup on D3, more Goons CSM Corruption.
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS CCP!!! WHEN!!???
Ousting Darius The Third as the leak in the CSM is corruption?
What? |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1264
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 17:49:00 -
[720] - Quote
Deopheel Dalonne wrote: You do not. You are just a grown child trying to exorcise his fears.
It is pathetic.
Could be worse - I could be a random forum poster obsessed with national socialists lurking in the shadows, seeing swastikas on the walls where there are none.
Care to grace us with some more conspiracy theories about how everyone in Goonwaffe goose-steps?
In the meantime I'll get back to being a man-child!
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 18:00:00 -
[721] - Quote
Official Protest - Just Another Toon should stop posting. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
242
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 18:38:00 -
[722] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Hmm interesting to see the goons setup on D3, more Goons CSM Corruption.
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS CCP!!! WHEN!!???
riverini is known for his love of goons and everything we stand for |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
590
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 20:12:00 -
[723] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Official Protest - Just Another Toon should stop posting.
nearly 70 actual topic likes, and over 550 personal likes to this topic - no sir i think you should stop posting.
with that support CCP I hope you now take this petition seriously..because its not just me supporting this...
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David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
95
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 20:15:00 -
[724] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Official Protest - Just Another Toon should stop posting. nearly 70 actual topic likes, and over 550 personal likes to this topic - no sir i think you should stop posting. with that support CCP I hope you now take this petition seriously..because its not just me supporting this...
You have my vote. I really want you to have all the confidence in the world for when your petition gets laughed at. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
590
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 20:18:00 -
[725] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Hmm interesting to see the goons setup on D3, more Goons CSM Corruption.
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS CCP!!! WHEN!!???
Ousting Darius The Third as the leak in the CSM is corruption? What?
Or was it a setup?
|
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
590
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 20:20:00 -
[726] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Official Protest - Just Another Toon should stop posting. nearly 70 actual topic likes, and over 550 personal likes to this topic - no sir i think you should stop posting. with that support CCP I hope you now take this petition seriously..because its not just me supporting this... You have my vote. I really want you to have all the confidence in the world for when your petition gets laughed at.
Again at least 100+ other people agree... nuff said really
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
590
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 20:20:00 -
[727] - Quote
double post |
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
18
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 20:29:00 -
[728] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Official Protest - Just Another Toon should stop posting. nearly 70 actual topic likes, and over 550 personal likes to this topic - no sir i think you should stop posting. with that support CCP I hope you now take this petition seriously..because its not just me supporting this... You have my vote. I really want you to have all the confidence in the world for when your petition gets laughed at. Again at least 100+ other people agree... nuff said really
You keep posting that like it means something. |
Deucalion Ex Mortis
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 20:29:00 -
[729] - Quote
It doesnGÇÖt matter anymore if she gets a response or not. The damage is done and the CSM have lost credibility. The future of eve will pay the price. How many other things this year will large alliances make a mockery of?
Alliance tournament - joke CSM - joke WhatGÇÖs next?
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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
116
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 20:32:00 -
[730] - Quote
Deucalion Ex Mortis wrote:It doesnGÇÖt matter anymore if she gets a response or not. The damage is done and the CSM have lost credibility. The future of eve will pay the price. How many other things this year will large alliances make a mockery of?
Alliance tournament - joke CSM - joke WhatGÇÖs next?
Just Another Toon - Pathetic Joke Nyio - Joke Deucalion Ex Mortis - Joke
CSM - Heroes to the masses The Mittani - CSM Chair for life.
Keep up the good work you two. Now you've made the Mittani a house hold name. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
590
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 20:33:00 -
[731] - Quote
Danks wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Official Protest - Just Another Toon should stop posting. nearly 70 actual topic likes, and over 550 personal likes to this topic - no sir i think you should stop posting. with that support CCP I hope you now take this petition seriously..because its not just me supporting this... You have my vote. I really want you to have all the confidence in the world for when your petition gets laughed at. Again at least 100+ other people agree... nuff said really You keep posting that like it means something.
lol you keeping believing it doesnt...
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
590
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 20:35:00 -
[732] - Quote
Mortis vonShadow wrote:Deucalion Ex Mortis wrote:It doesnGÇÖt matter anymore if she gets a response or not. The damage is done and the CSM have lost credibility. The future of eve will pay the price. How many other things this year will large alliances make a mockery of?
Alliance tournament - joke CSM - joke WhatGÇÖs next?
Just Another Toon - Pathetic Joke Nyio - Joke Deucalion Ex Mortis - Joke CSM - Heroes to the masses The Mittani - CSM Chair for life. Keep up the good work you two. Now you've made the Mittani a house hold name.
Awww didums - you keep deep throating Mittani....you sound like some pathetic lap dog - here boy, dpwn boy, sit, roll over - sad!.... |
Deucalion Ex Mortis
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2011.10.18 20:37:00 -
[733] - Quote
Mortis vonShadow wrote:Deucalion Ex Mortis wrote:It doesnGÇÖt matter anymore if she gets a response or not. The damage is done and the CSM have lost credibility. The future of eve will pay the price. How many other things this year will large alliances make a mockery of?
Alliance tournament - joke CSM - joke WhatGÇÖs next?
Just Another Toon - Pathetic Joke Nyio - Joke Deucalion Ex Mortis - Joke CSM - Heroes to the masses The Mittani - CSM Chair for life. Keep up the good work you two. Now you've made the Mittani a house hold name.
Goons, recruit this guy already his tongue is getting dry from all the boot licking. |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
116
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Posted - 2011.10.18 20:38:00 -
[734] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Mortis vonShadow wrote:Deucalion Ex Mortis wrote:It doesnGÇÖt matter anymore if she gets a response or not. The damage is done and the CSM have lost credibility. The future of eve will pay the price. How many other things this year will large alliances make a mockery of?
Alliance tournament - joke CSM - joke WhatGÇÖs next?
Just Another Toon - Pathetic Joke Nyio - Joke Deucalion Ex Mortis - Joke CSM - Heroes to the masses The Mittani - CSM Chair for life. Keep up the good work you two. Now you've made the Mittani a house hold name. Awww didums - you keep deep throating Mittani....you sound like some pathetic lap dog - here boy, dpwn boy, sit, roll over - sad!....
Wow, and you sound like a little boy who got his teddy bear taken away by the big bad boogey man. Atleast I don't have to stoop to name call or degrading people to get my point across. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
590
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Posted - 2011.10.18 20:43:00 -
[735] - Quote
Mortis vonShadow wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Mortis vonShadow wrote:Deucalion Ex Mortis wrote:It doesnGÇÖt matter anymore if she gets a response or not. The damage is done and the CSM have lost credibility. The future of eve will pay the price. How many other things this year will large alliances make a mockery of?
Alliance tournament - joke CSM - joke WhatGÇÖs next?
Just Another Toon - Pathetic Joke Nyio - Joke Deucalion Ex Mortis - Joke CSM - Heroes to the masses The Mittani - CSM Chair for life. Keep up the good work you two. Now you've made the Mittani a house hold name. Awww didums - you keep deep throating Mittani....you sound like some pathetic lap dog - here boy, dpwn boy, sit, roll over - sad!.... Wow, and you sound like a little boy who got his teddy bear taken away by the big bad boogey man. Atleast I don't have to stoop to name call or degrading people to get my point across.
mummy that way <----
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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
116
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Posted - 2011.10.18 20:46:00 -
[736] - Quote
If you two fucktards would bother to research anything, you two fuckknobs would know I don't like the Goons anymore than you do. But, I won't stand for is a bunch of pathetic shitstains crying over someone playing the game within the game mechanics already set forth. You two fuckrubs couldn't find your own **** with a road map, a gps unit and a gang of peter puffers to help you. So, before you start name calling and trying to degrade others because your cause lacks merit, why don't you two fuckbuddies quit with the "Oh, we have the support of everyone in the game, and we will be acknowledged!" I and many hiseccers like me think pussylubes like you are the true enemy of EVE, not the Goons. And if somehow I've offended you with all the name calling and degradation, I DON"T GIVE A ****. Why don't you drop out of the game and go play with yourself somewhere else and leave EVE to the real men.
Have a nice life, assholes. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Deucalion Ex Mortis
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.18 20:50:00 -
[737] - Quote
"Wow, and you sound like a little boy who got his teddy bear taken away by the big bad boogey man. Atleast I don't have to stoop to name call or degrading people to get my point across." |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
116
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Posted - 2011.10.18 20:53:00 -
[738] - Quote
You're an idiot, shut up. If I want any lip from you, I'll get it off my zipper.
You obviously don't understand sarcasm. You see, I'm stooping to your level now. I can name call with the best of them. Dipshit. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
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CCP Zymurgist
C C P C C P Alliance
231
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Posted - 2011.10.18 21:28:00 -
[739] - Quote
Thread cleaned of some trolling posts. Zymurgist Community Representative CCP NA, EVE Online Contact Us at http://support.eveonline.com/pages/petitions/createpetition.aspx |
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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
122
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Posted - 2011.10.18 21:30:00 -
[740] - Quote
Thank you, sir. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
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Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
1004
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Posted - 2011.10.18 21:31:00 -
[741] - Quote
CCP Zymurgist wrote:Thread cleaned of some trolling posts. there seem to still be a few just another toon posts so you may want to give it another run through |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
1004
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Posted - 2011.10.18 21:32:00 -
[742] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:lol you keeping believing it doesnt...
hello inferior 500-like level poster |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
24
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Posted - 2011.10.18 21:50:00 -
[743] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Botleten wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
Think you need to read again..everyone else seems to understand it..
Are you stupid or just blind? There's 18 pages of people call you an idiot in this thread. Your OP has 2100 views and 31 likes... you do the math. Somewhere in the range of 1.5% of people agree with you... Do you think the overbearing number of Goons reading this thread might affect that ratio? Hm? As for the Mittani... I don't really care about his being on the CSM or not.. As far as I'm concerned he is nothing more than the Leader of one of the larger Serf Plantations in Zero that need to be exterminated. Goons are a free people, empowered by Soviet Science and a thorough understanding of Marxist dialectic. A dialectic which you are sorely lacking in, kulak pretender. Have you read your Gramsci? Do you know the difference between even the Third and the Fourth International? Your ideological underpinnings are weak, and your thought is shallow - surely the sign of a reactionary agent provocateur, a capitalist wolf in Maoist clothing~
LOL ! Well for somebody with "shallow thoughts" as you put it... YOU SURE SEEM NERVOUS ABOUT MY POSTINGS.
Regarding Gramsci, I suggest YOU are the shallow Marxist here since you fail to recognize, or more probably want to obscure the fact that YOU are the one in control of the main wealth sources in Eve, not the dispossessed masses of pilots in HighSec. This Great Lie fits well with your pattern of deception.
As for the the difference between the Third and Fourth Internationals...YOU are clearly a representative of the Fourth and a Revisionist Pretender to the Socialist Cause ! |
StarTrotter
Shiva Morsus Mihi
2
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Posted - 2011.10.18 23:59:00 -
[744] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Official Protest - Just Another Toon should stop posting. nearly 70 actual topic likes, and over 550 personal likes to this topic - no sir i think you should stop posting. with that support CCP I hope you now take this petition seriously..because its not just me supporting this...
I wish CCP would put in a dislike button so you could truly know the extent of your support. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
141
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Posted - 2011.10.19 00:54:00 -
[745] - Quote
While I dislike that several of the CSM appear to be self-serving in their roles, that's par for the course with politics and it's not likely that we'll see any change to that.
As for the specific allegations of this thread...no. Mittani is doing what the head of an alliance is supposed to do: taking whatever action will benefit the alliance. These are things he would have done with our without the position of CSM. If you can't produce a legitimate reason for him to lose his position, we're stuck with him until someone can put together enough votes to trump the goons. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
0
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Posted - 2011.10.19 01:42:00 -
[746] - Quote
Too bad this CSM isn't as entertaining as the last one.
Does it make me a bad person for thinking that? |
Sirhan Blixt
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2011.10.19 06:51:00 -
[747] - Quote
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Feligast wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote:You do not. You are just a grown child trying to exorcise his fears.
It is pathetic. I know you are, but what is he?? (stooping to your level ITP) Come on! Enjoying onself becaus one is able to spread "misery" in a video game without any risk to oneself ? Obviously you do not know what real misery is ... Oh, my stars and garters, it's ... it's ... it's an ... Internet Tough Guy!!
Blaze Stigma wrote:I want to ask you all of the goons and Mittani here a question ..
I want to know how long are you gonna to keep blocking us Ice Miners . this cant last forever .
You just keep telling yourself that.
Just Another Toon wrote:YARK YARK YARK YARK YARK YARK YARK YARK SCREECH SCREECH SCREECH SCREECH SCREECH Just. Stay. Down. |
Deopheel Dalonne
Dalonne Smelting and Fabrication
27
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Posted - 2011.10.19 07:49:00 -
[748] - Quote
ExhumeToConsume wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote: Come on! Enjoying onself becaus one is able to spread "misery" in a video game without any risk to oneself ? Obviously you do not know what real misery is ...
There's a pretty big risk in the form of flubbing a gank embarrassingly and then being taunted. We in GSF take our space skills very seriously, and some never recover from the stress of being humiliated. Basically, what you are saying is that the risk you are running is to lose face.
In other words, it is a risk to your ego.
I think this sums it up pretty nicely. Goons are unable to play this game while staying within the bounds of common decency because they are narcissists.
Adlof H was a narcissist. And so were Stalin and most certainly Osama Bin Laden. |
Psilocin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.10.19 08:44:00 -
[749] - Quote
I have proof that Osama plays a minmatar pirate who also suicides miners in Empire! Alert the authorities! |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
128
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Posted - 2011.10.19 10:46:00 -
[750] - Quote
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:ExhumeToConsume wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote: Come on! Enjoying onself becaus one is able to spread "misery" in a video game without any risk to oneself ? Obviously you do not know what real misery is ...
There's a pretty big risk in the form of flubbing a gank embarrassingly and then being taunted. We in GSF take our space skills very seriously, and some never recover from the stress of being humiliated. Basically, what you are saying is that the risk you are running is to lose face. In other words, it is a risk to your ego. I think this sums it up pretty nicely. Goons are unable to play this game while staying within the bounds of common decency because they are narcissists. Adlof H was a narcissist. And so were Stalin and most certainly Osama Bin Laden. Why would you play any competitive game, if not for ego? You compete because you want to be superior, and prove it however you can. Kinda the point of pvp, and competition in general. You know, fair fights are no fun to watch? They last forever and are determined by luck. Winners win because they have an advantage, which means its not fair.
Also, Godwin, how sad for your side.
You lose! o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
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SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
109
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Posted - 2011.10.19 11:06:00 -
[751] - Quote
Blaze Stigma wrote: I want to know how long are you gonna to keep blocking us Ice Miners . this cant last forever .
This "can't" ? Why can't we stop ice mining forever ? What's stopping us ? :)
Boredom will be the only thing that will stop us from suicide ganking ice miners. But the sight of you shedding an ocean of tears and rage on the forums/locals is what's encouraging us. |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
128
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Posted - 2011.10.19 11:19:00 -
[752] - Quote
SMT008 wrote:[quote=Blaze Stigma]This "can't" ? Why can't we stop ice mining forever ? What's stopping us ? :)
Attention Deficit Disorder.
Fortunately, explosions are shiney, and bikes are fun to ride o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Azami Nevinyrall
NOMAD.
3
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Posted - 2011.10.19 11:48:00 -
[753] - Quote
Watching all these posts kinda makes me want to start suicide ganking again...
Where do I apply goons? |
Deopheel Dalonne
Dalonne Smelting and Fabrication
28
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Posted - 2011.10.19 11:54:00 -
[754] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote:ExhumeToConsume wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote: Come on! Enjoying onself becaus one is able to spread "misery" in a video game without any risk to oneself ? Obviously you do not know what real misery is ...
There's a pretty big risk in the form of flubbing a gank embarrassingly and then being taunted. We in GSF take our space skills very seriously, and some never recover from the stress of being humiliated. Basically, what you are saying is that the risk you are running is to lose face. In other words, it is a risk to your ego. I think this sums it up pretty nicely. Goons are unable to play this game while staying within the bounds of common decency because they are narcissists. Adlof H was a narcissist. And so were Stalin and most certainly Osama Bin Laden. Why would you play any competitive game, if not for ego? You compete because you want to be superior, and prove it however you can. Kinda the point of pvp, and competition in general. Ok, you play because you want to test your limits, show your mettle, etc.
But if your ego becomes so overbearing that it pushes you to seek to do only the nastiest things and to identify with the worst scum, then you are no longer playing, you are just another victim of narcissistic rage.
There is a difference between a game and a nihilistic obsession. |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
129
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Posted - 2011.10.19 12:10:00 -
[755] - Quote
Deopheel Dalonne wrote: But if your ego becomes so overbearing that it pushes you to seek to do only the nastiest things and to identify with the worst scum, then you are no longer playing, you are just another victim of narcissistic rage.
There is a difference between a game and a nihilistic obsession.
You don't 'get' Eve, apparently.
There is no rage, there is only giggles. Its not about what I am doing, its about what my victim is doing(and yes, when you spout tears you change yourself from opponent to victim)
There are fights, thats competition against those who chose to compete, but in Eve there are also ganks, which is competition against those who think that have found a way to not compete.
People who think they have found a way around the core mechanic of Eve have the tastiest tears, because they assume they won in advance, where anyone who actually is trying to compete makes no assumptions. Even gankers assume that their prey will get away and as such beat them sometimes. o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2011.10.19 12:22:00 -
[756] - Quote
Deucalion Ex Mortis wrote:It doesnGÇÖt matter anymore if she gets a response or not. The damage is done and the CSM have lost credibility. The future of eve will pay the price. How many other things this year will large alliances make a mockery of?
Alliance tournament - joke CSM - joke WhatGÇÖs next?
If your post was a sentinent being it would take its own life. |
Azami Nevinyrall
NOMAD.
3
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Posted - 2011.10.19 13:55:00 -
[757] - Quote
Seriously goons, who do I talk to to join in on these suicide ganks you're doing?
Yes, I'm taking this whiny ***** thread and turning it into a recruitment thread... |
Psilocin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2011.10.19 15:53:00 -
[758] - Quote
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Seriously goons, who do I talk to to join in on these suicide ganks you're doing?
Yes, I'm taking this whiny ***** thread and turning it into a recruitment thread...
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19206&find=unread |
Azami Nevinyrall
NOMAD.
5
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:09:00 -
[759] - Quote
Thank you... |
Mareck001
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club Test Alliance Please Ignore
14
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:19:00 -
[760] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Vote Mittani 2012: ~Chairman for Life~
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Janos Saal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:38:00 -
[761] - Quote
my ceo
<3 EVE is dead |
Venus Vermillion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
51
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:37:00 -
[762] - Quote
Mareck001 wrote:The Mittani wrote:Vote Mittani 2012: ~Chairman for Life~
I would never empty-quote anything. |
Drake Draconis
Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation
43
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Posted - 2011.10.20 14:04:00 -
[763] - Quote
Probably too stupidly embarrassed to show his face....so much so he has to use an alt to post. He couldn't even keep his post in assembly hall without erasing it.
That and he's likely in trouble for cross posting all over hell. |
Angel Lust
Vikinghall
1
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Posted - 2011.10.20 15:07:00 -
[764] - Quote
I guess the job here is done |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1328
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Posted - 2011.10.20 20:18:00 -
[765] - Quote
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:ExhumeToConsume wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote: Come on! Enjoying onself becaus one is able to spread "misery" in a video game without any risk to oneself ? Obviously you do not know what real misery is ...
There's a pretty big risk in the form of flubbing a gank embarrassingly and then being taunted. We in GSF take our space skills very seriously, and some never recover from the stress of being humiliated. Basically, what you are saying is that the risk you are running is to lose face. In other words, it is a risk to your ego. I think this sums it up pretty nicely. Goons are unable to play this game while staying within the bounds of common decency because they are narcissists. Adlof H was a narcissist. And so were Stalin and most certainly Osama Bin Laden.
Goons: literally ******, Stalin and Osama rolled into one.
Hisec tears are the best. |
David Carel
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
61
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Posted - 2011.10.20 22:36:00 -
[766] - Quote
Why the **** is Hit-ler censored, but not Stalin or Osama. |
UberSmudge
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.20 23:26:00 -
[767] - Quote
This is the best thread ever.
MOAR TEARS! |
Kharylien
Masked Rider Project
2
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Posted - 2011.10.21 01:31:00 -
[768] - Quote
Renan Ruivo wrote:On these matters, yes you have and i applaud that. But those were the obvious/easy ones. Besides like i said my main concern is that you are a high-profile alliance leader and wether you want or not, you get exposed to NDA data that might in more cases than not give you an unfair advantages over your adversaries. I.E you might know in advance about a nerf or buff that the NDA forbids you from discussing, but can't keep you from planning in advance with much more time than other alliances.
As an example, right know you might know for a fact that Tech is getting nerf and in what way its getting nerfed, therefore you have much more time to adapt your own alliance than your tech-holding adversaries will have, when that information gets public.
This argument might have a slim chance of validity were it not that the Mittani has been saying, in public, on the forums, things like, "We know that tech is going to get nerfed eventually..." Since before he was on CSM, I think.
Making money off oxytopes by slaughtering the Gallente-space ice miners and profiting from the market shenanigans that follow is hardly something that Goonswarm couldn't have done without his CSM role.
And as for scamming someone over the price of an Aeon - I'm sorry, but when you enter into a third party transaction where the third party is in the same alliance as the second party, you're an idiot. If you thought that being on the CSM meant that suddenly the Mittani couldn't participate in standard EVE gameplay, you're an extra special kind of idiot and people should put statues of you in the Idiot Horl of Faem. |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
170
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Posted - 2011.10.21 01:42:00 -
[769] - Quote
[quote=Kharylien people should put statues of you in the Idiot Horl of Faem.[/quote]
+1 for the Horl of Faem Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
David Carel
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
65
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Posted - 2011.10.21 07:40:00 -
[770] - Quote
Kharylien wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:On these matters, yes you have and i applaud that. But those were the obvious/easy ones. Besides like i said my main concern is that you are a high-profile alliance leader and wether you want or not, you get exposed to NDA data that might in more cases than not give you an unfair advantages over your adversaries. I.E you might know in advance about a nerf or buff that the NDA forbids you from discussing, but can't keep you from planning in advance with much more time than other alliances.
As an example, right know you might know for a fact that Tech is getting nerf and in what way its getting nerfed, therefore you have much more time to adapt your own alliance than your tech-holding adversaries will have, when that information gets public. This argument might have a slim chance of validity were it not that the Mittani has been saying, in public, on the forums, things like, "We know that tech is going to get nerfed eventually..." Since before he was on CSM, I think. Making money off oxytopes by slaughtering the Gallente-space ice miners and profiting from the market shenanigans that follow is hardly something that Goonswarm couldn't have done without his CSM role. And as for scamming someone over the price of an Aeon - I'm sorry, but when you enter into a third party transaction where the third party is in the same alliance as the second party, you're an idiot. If you thought that being on the CSM meant that suddenly the Mittani couldn't participate in standard EVE gameplay, you're an extra special kind of idiot and people should put statues of you in the Idiot Horl of Faem. Wow a good post by a non-GSF guy. Call me surprised that I see this in this thread. |
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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
142
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Posted - 2011.10.21 08:00:00 -
[771] - Quote
Hey, not all of the posters in this thread are shitposters, I like to think my cyborg eye would spot all of them!
ohwait..... o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Samillian
Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos
13
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Posted - 2011.10.21 10:10:00 -
[772] - Quote
Let me get this right:
The OP of this thread is complaining about abuse of power, deliberate market manipulation, scamming, ganking and dirty politics.
In EvE.
For real?
This is what Eve is all about, if the Mittani wasn't involved in all those activities in the position he is in I'd say he was an utter idiot. OP if your serious about this thread I have to conclude that this really isn't the game for you, find something to play where honor, trust and honesty mean a damn because it sure as hell isn't here. |
Helena Russell Makanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:22:00 -
[773] - Quote
CCP CEO statement on the null-sec heavy CSM:
"But some of my concerns right now relate to whether the CSM is maybe focused on a particular aspect of the game and I'm starting to get feedback from players that they worry the CSM is too pre-occupied by a certain playstyle. That might mean we may need to change the structure" |
XIRUSPHERE
Deadly Intent.
34
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Posted - 2011.10.21 18:39:00 -
[774] - Quote
I find the open and honest discourse from the mittani refreshing. With his help and the help of countless others CCP may finally be starting to see this game is about conflict and so many of the things most people despise and fear and that's what makes it so wonderful at the end of the day.
I wonder if the creators of this game ever envisioned the day the lessons it taught it's players to succeed, the metagaming, the doing whatever it takes would become tangible and leak out into the real world to shape the future of the very game.
Keep stoking the fires, we need more bastards like you mittens o7. |
Mirima Thurander
Deventer Exploration An Acquisition
27
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Posted - 2011.10.22 16:13:00 -
[775] - Quote
OP everything you complain about for the most part are what make EvE well... EvE...
i don't think all the goons need be removed from the CSM just the ones that have nothing to contribute, mitten seams like he knows what hes doing the other goons on the CSM tho? yea trolls that need to go.
im hoping for a reform of CSM rules like only 1 CSM member per alliance, or having set reps for diff parts of EvE I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
1015
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Posted - 2011.10.22 22:19:00 -
[776] - Quote
David Carel wrote:Why the **** is Hit-ler censored, but not Stalin or Osama.
It's the Godwin's Law prevention protocol, designed to allow flamewars on the forums to reach even higher temperatures before someone finally drops the H-bomb. CSM - because I have not yet plumbed the depths of my inherent masochism! CSM 6 Activities Summary | My CSM blog |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
177
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Posted - 2011.10.22 23:11:00 -
[777] - Quote
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:CCP CEO statement on the null-sec heavy CSM:
"But some of my concerns right now relate to whether the CSM is maybe focused on a particular aspect of the game and I'm starting to get feedback from players that they worry the CSM is too pre-occupied by a certain playstyle. That might mean we may need to change the structure"
Post link or it didn't happen Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Jark Vohaul
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.22 23:49:00 -
[778] - Quote
I love these threads. I love them. |
Lord Mandelor
Consolidated Holdings War Ensemble.
4
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Posted - 2011.10.23 04:49:00 -
[779] - Quote
Why on Earth would you remove him from the CSM?
I'm in an Industrial Corporation, but I really think that EVE would be come incredibly boring if people like him didn't have a voice on the council. After all, you can say what you want about the Goons but they keep things interesting for the rest of the community. ConHo Daily: http://conhodaily.blogspot.com Stories ranging from midgets inside your Damage Control to drones becoming self-aware. |
destiny2
Sickle Moon Intrepid Crossing
11
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Posted - 2011.10.23 11:24:00 -
[780] - Quote
If your scared of being ganked by gankers. then maybe you should ice mine in a fleet. ?
Every new kind of terror comes out the people who have lived in highsec for 95% of their eve career. Complain
sure i understand your mad. and get ganked. but seriously its only a game. The goons arent forceing you to go out and mine are they NO? are they forceing you to mine afk ? No...
If it really is that big of a deal. then why not join a 00 alliance that has the ice you want to mine ? Or just ice mine in a fleet. with some corpies in pvp ships.,logis etc to support you if your that affraid.
I aint a pirate or anything we fight goons on daily basis. in 00.
I aint agreeing with what their doing but i just frankly dont care. tbh. Their ships,their isk their rules. pretty simple.
You lost a ship oh well be smart about things you do in eve dont be an idiot. |
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SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
144
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Posted - 2011.10.23 11:47:00 -
[781] - Quote
I'll just post this here for every miners to read :
OR YOU COULD MINE IN MINMATAR/AMARR SPACE
It's a location based interdiction guys. If you think that tanking your ship/Remoterepping/Watching local/paying attention to your overview is too hard for you, fear not, you can also MINE SOMEWHERE ELSE, somewhere that is free of evil goonswarm members. And all that, with no hassle and (almost) NO RISK.
If you just keep mining stubbornly in a Gallente region, without tanking your ship, without remote rep ships, without watching local and without checking your overview for strange ships, you just deserve to die, simple as that.
Now I'm gonna quote myself again, just to make sure every poor miner have a chance to read it :
Quote: OR YOU COULD MINE IN MINMATAR/AMARR SPACE
Here you go. |
David Carel
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
93
|
Posted - 2011.10.23 12:16:00 -
[782] - Quote
SMT008 wrote:I'll just post this here for every miners to read : OR YOU COULD MINE IN MINMATAR/AMARR SPACEIt's a location based interdiction guys. If you think that tanking your ship/Remoterepping/Watching local/paying attention to your overview is too hard for you, fear not, you can also MINE SOMEWHERE ELSE, somewhere that is free of evil goonswarm members. And all that, with no hassle and (almost) NO RISK. If you just keep mining stubbornly in a Gallente region, without tanking your ship, without remote rep ships, without watching local and without checking your overview for strange ships, you just deserve to die, simple as that. Now I'm gonna quote myself again, just to make sure every poor miner have a chance to read it : Quote: OR YOU COULD MINE IN MINMATAR/AMARR SPACE
Here you go.
Hint: even tanking your ship/RRing/watching local/paying attention won't save you. Also, you just re-set the lower bound for Goon intelligence. |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
156
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Posted - 2011.10.23 19:58:00 -
[783] - Quote
I hereby endorse a spider-repping mack fleet.
Get that RR going on each other while you mine, and watch them fail to gank!
On an unrelated note, who likes baitships? o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Helena Russell Makanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2011.10.23 23:09:00 -
[784] - Quote
Mortis vonShadow wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:CCP CEO statement on the null-sec heavy CSM:
"But some of my concerns right now relate to whether the CSM is maybe focused on a particular aspect of the game and I'm starting to get feedback from players that they worry the CSM is too pre-occupied by a certain playstyle. That might mean we may need to change the structure" Post link or it didn't happen
It on the front page of the Eve website dear, plain as day. Anyway to save you a few clicks:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-21-eurogamer-interviews-ccps-hilmar-petursson-interview
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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
188
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Posted - 2011.10.23 23:23:00 -
[785] - Quote
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Mortis vonShadow wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:CCP CEO statement on the null-sec heavy CSM:
"But some of my concerns right now relate to whether the CSM is maybe focused on a particular aspect of the game and I'm starting to get feedback from players that they worry the CSM is too pre-occupied by a certain playstyle. That might mean we may need to change the structure" Post link or it didn't happen It on the front page of the Eve website dear, plain as day. Anyway to save you a few clicks: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-21-eurogamer-interviews-ccps-hilmar-petursson-interview
Now finish the entire quote not just what suits you:
...but definitely the CSM has worked as a feedback tool greatly throughout the years. We will have them over at the end of the year, after everything that's gone on, and we will have a chance to talk about that. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Helena Russell Makanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2011.10.24 00:11:00 -
[786] - Quote
Mortis vonShadow wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Mortis vonShadow wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:CCP CEO statement on the null-sec heavy CSM:
"But some of my concerns right now relate to whether the CSM is maybe focused on a particular aspect of the game and I'm starting to get feedback from players that they worry the CSM is too pre-occupied by a certain playstyle. That might mean we may need to change the structure" Post link or it didn't happen It on the front page of the Eve website dear, plain as day. Anyway to save you a few clicks: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-21-eurogamer-interviews-ccps-hilmar-petursson-interview Now finish the entire quote not just what suits you: ...but definitely the CSM has worked as a feedback tool greatly throughout the years. We will have them over at the end of the year, after everything that's gone on, and we will have a chance to talk about that.
My goodness so sorry, yes he said the CSM has worked well thru the years (his concern is with this year) and it's time for a talk.
Do you need a hug lol?
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David Carel
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
121
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Posted - 2011.10.24 00:15:00 -
[787] - Quote
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Mortis vonShadow wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Mortis vonShadow wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:CCP CEO statement on the null-sec heavy CSM:
"But some of my concerns right now relate to whether the CSM is maybe focused on a particular aspect of the game and I'm starting to get feedback from players that they worry the CSM is too pre-occupied by a certain playstyle. That might mean we may need to change the structure" Post link or it didn't happen It on the front page of the Eve website dear, plain as day. Anyway to save you a few clicks: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-21-eurogamer-interviews-ccps-hilmar-petursson-interview Now finish the entire quote not just what suits you: ...but definitely the CSM has worked as a feedback tool greatly throughout the years. We will have them over at the end of the year, after everything that's gone on, and we will have a chance to talk about that. My goodness so sorry, yes he said the CSM has worked well thru the years (his concern is with this year) and it's time for a talk. Do you need a hug lol?
Shut up or worms will spill out of your mouth. |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
189
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Posted - 2011.10.24 00:18:00 -
[788] - Quote
David Carel wrote:
Shut up or worms will spill out of your mouth.
This
Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Helena Russell Makanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
11
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 01:04:00 -
[789] - Quote
Mortis vonShadow wrote:David Carel wrote:
Shut up or worms will spill out of your mouth.
This
LOL! Awww that is so pathetically lame lol. Good times.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1139
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Posted - 2011.10.24 01:14:00 -
[790] - Quote
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Mortis vonShadow wrote:David Carel wrote:
Shut up or worms will spill out of your mouth.
This LOL! Awww that is so pathetically lame lol. Good times. given your posting abilities you're a shoe-in for pl, you should send them an app |
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Jark Vohaul
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.10.24 01:20:00 -
[791] - Quote
I still can't figure out why people mine in this game. |
Helena Russell Makanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
11
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 01:22:00 -
[792] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Mortis vonShadow wrote:David Carel wrote:
Shut up or worms will spill out of your mouth.
This LOL! Awww that is so pathetically lame lol. Good times. given your posting abilities you're a shoe-in for pl, you should send them an app
Nice try Weasel LOL. Yours will get better I am sure... sometime. Meanwhile the insults thing has worked for you on the lucky occasion.
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David Carel
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
128
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Posted - 2011.10.24 08:57:00 -
[793] - Quote
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Weaselior wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Mortis vonShadow wrote:David Carel wrote:
Shut up or worms will spill out of your mouth.
This LOL! Awww that is so pathetically lame lol. Good times. given your posting abilities you're a shoe-in for pl, you should send them an app Nice try Weasel LOL. Yours will get better I am sure... sometime. Meanwhile the insults thing has worked for you on the lucky occasion.
What the **** is that thing. Seriously, what secret laboratory did that abomination of a poster escape out, or what idiot gave it internet access.
Somebody give me a nuke, I'm gonna clean this mess up. |
Helena Russell Makanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2011.10.24 09:11:00 -
[794] - Quote
David Carel wrote: What the **** is that thing. Seriously, what secret laboratory did that abomination of a poster escape out, or what idiot gave it internet access.
Somebody give me a nuke, I'm gonna clean this mess up.
His name appears to (aptly) be Weasel-something if you look back. Luckily you are in the same corp so can fight him without risk which I am sure appeals to you.
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Gheng Kondur
Serva Fidem
14
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Posted - 2011.10.24 09:15:00 -
[795] - Quote
Jark Vohaul wrote:I still can't figure out why people mine in this game.
Because it helps me relax and wind down from the stress of RL, and I do expect to be in the minority here.
As for this thread in general, I can't believe it's still going. It is all basically: 'I don't like the way CSM members play and therefore they should be kicked out'.
You have an opportunity for that, it's called the next election. Meanwhile as long as they are not breaking the terms of office, we should leave them to get on with representing the people who voted for them rather than trying to get rid of them for doing exactly what they said they would. |
Red Templar
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2011.10.24 09:50:00 -
[796] - Quote
I, for one, agree that Mittens should be removed from CSM.
Then he will have more time to take care of alliance business, to kill miners and generally for finding new ways to make people suffer
Oh oh and we will also be free to troll and sabotage the activity on the next CSM, as much as we like. That cant be a bad thing, right?
Ofc that would not solve anything. Since next thing we know, there would be a thread full of pubbie tears saying that Mittani should be removed from position of CEO of largest null-sec alliance. Or that he should be removed from the face of the Earth. Probably sent to outer space or buried deep underground.
For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
163
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Posted - 2011.10.24 10:13:00 -
[797] - Quote
Jark Vohaul wrote:I still can't figure out why people mine in this game. I still can't figure out why people play this game.
Edit, also, people who want Mittens out of the CSM... poster above me made a good point.
Do you REALLY want him to have more time on his hands to come up with ways to make your lives hard?
If so, why don't you just come out to nullsec and fight, instead of whining about mittens being on the CSM on the forums? o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Dorn Val
Defective Clones Sailors of the Sacred Spice
3
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Posted - 2011.10.25 07:17:00 -
[798] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:
I ran for CSM on a platform of explicitly being a manipulative bastard, because it takes someone like me to actually bring CCP around to reason.
So far, so good!
That's the reason why I voted for you with all three of my paid accounts -and I'll do it again if you choose to run. |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
168
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Posted - 2011.10.25 07:22:00 -
[799] - Quote
Dorn Val wrote:The Mittani wrote:
I ran for CSM on a platform of explicitly being a manipulative bastard, because it takes someone like me to actually bring CCP around to reason.
So far, so good!
That's the reason why I voted for you with all three of my paid accounts -and I'll do it again if you choose to run. I recommend one of your 3 votes go to a more moderate candidate. Just to temper the zeal with which mittens goes about his crusades for the good of Eve.
Maybe next CSM nullsec needs to endorse a moderate highsec candidate in addition to stacking our guys. The better to have a well working, balanced team, and keep people who scam highseccers for their votes from managing to get a free trip to iceland(I nearly voted D3, just cause jita scamming for votes is epic) o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Tanya Fox
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2011.10.25 10:59:00 -
[800] - Quote
All CSM should be removed and not replaced. |
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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
200
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Posted - 2011.10.25 11:06:00 -
[801] - Quote
Tanya Fox wrote:All CSM should be removed and not replaced.
Curious, do you think EVE is fine as is? Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Big Bad Mofo
Comply Or Die
34
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Posted - 2011.10.25 11:41:00 -
[802] - Quote
think the suggestion was made.
IF the CSM has to be continued then candidates should be selected by a panel of CCP Senior Management inc Hilmar. Have a proper interview etc. From that CCP should select the best candidates, and also have a mix some from null, some from low/high sec, some from industry etc, and i think they should definitely have a few total newbies.
They should no longer be voted for, its too fixed. When you have 2000-8000 man alliance with all the out of alliance alts its just open to fixed voting and abuse.
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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
200
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Posted - 2011.10.25 12:19:00 -
[803] - Quote
Big Bad Mofo wrote:
IF the CSM has to be continued then candidates should be selected by a panel of CCP Senior Management inc Hilmar.
So much for the democratic process then. You can only be a candidate if others approve of you? I'm not being flippant towards you, I'm just saying that with your above quote you negate the whole process altogether. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
439
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:02:00 -
[804] - Quote
Hey OP, did you hear back on your petition yet? |
Rer Eirikr
Clearly Compensating The Dark Triad
19
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:28:00 -
[805] - Quote
Big Bad Mofo wrote:think the suggestion was made.
IF the CSM has to be continued then candidates should be selected by a panel of CCP Senior Management inc Hilmar. Have a proper interview etc. From that CCP should select the best candidates, and also have a mix some from null, some from low/high sec, some from industry etc, and i think they should definitely have a few total newbies.
"CCP should have a pile of yes-men who cause no trouble both in and outside of the game, because this will be totally effective in combating EVE's problems and moving the game forward for everyone"
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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
200
|
Posted - 2011.10.25 18:07:00 -
[806] - Quote
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Hey OP, did you hear back on your petition yet?
This.
Inquiring minds want to know. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1629
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:37:00 -
[807] - Quote
Big Bad Mofo wrote:think the suggestion was made.
IF the CSM has to be continued then candidates should be selected by a panel of CCP Senior Management inc Hilmar. Have a proper interview etc. From that CCP should select the best candidates, and also have a mix some from null, some from low/high sec, some from industry etc, and i think they should definitely have a few total newbies.
They should no longer be voted for, its too fixed. When you have 2000-8000 man alliance with all the out of alliance alts its just open to fixed voting and abuse.
Gentlemen, the newbie corp sycophants have spoken. Incarna, Aurum and Space Dollies for all! We don't need spaceships, we need more high heels!
Wrap it up, spaceship fans - your era has ended. |
Rer Eirikr
Clearly Compensating The Dark Triad
21
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:42:00 -
[808] - Quote
http://nooooooooooooooo.com/ |
Chomp Wom
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
1
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Posted - 2011.10.26 12:04:00 -
[809] - Quote
Mittens is a mean doodoo head BLOO HOO HOO
how dare he play the game differently to me |
Velyks
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
4
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Posted - 2011.10.26 12:07:00 -
[810] - Quote
Maybe if you post with your actual character and not a blank NPC corp alt we'll pay attention, http://i.imgur.com/JyLjl.jpg |
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White Tree
XxBroski North Reloaded Federation NinjaGuldDotxX. Elite Space Guild
539
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Posted - 2011.10.26 12:21:00 -
[811] - Quote
There have been multiple instances in this thread where 'Just Another Toon' has been proven wrong, thrown temper tantrums and responded to legitimate points with what basically translates to 'You're wrong because I said so'. You don't get to remove a CSM member because they hurt your feelings. The end. |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
492
|
Posted - 2011.10.26 17:41:00 -
[812] - Quote
I still want to know if he heard back from his petition or if CCP are still using it as comic relief. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
459
|
Posted - 2011.10.26 19:16:00 -
[813] - Quote
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:I still want to know if he heard back from his petition or if CCP are still using it as comic relief.
Probably a generic canned reply, v0v
He can't post a GM reply to a petition anyway. |
Venus Vermillion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
75
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Posted - 2011.10.26 19:17:00 -
[814] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Vote Mittani 2012: ~Chairman for Life~
This is not an empty quote. |
Mal Darkrunner
Zero Tau Research Institute
12
|
Posted - 2011.10.26 19:54:00 -
[815] - Quote
-1 OP
I neither agree with your opinion nor support your proposals. |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
512
|
Posted - 2011.10.26 21:21:00 -
[816] - Quote
CCP should change the subject line of the thread...calling it an "official protest" makes it sound like it's sanctioned by CCP and not just the fevered rantings of a loon. |
Big Bad Mofo
Retribution.
35
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Posted - 2011.10.26 22:28:00 -
[817] - Quote
White Tree wrote:There have been multiple instances in this thread where 'Just Another Toon' has been proven wrong, thrown temper tantrums and responded to legitimate points with what basically translates to 'You're wrong because I said so'. You don't get to remove a CSM member because they hurt your feelings. The end.
I have to say this is not the only thread about removing the CSM is it? Think about it. Trying to derail the topic and numerous topics, and trying to discredit the OP is really quite a sad and pathetic maneuver. I and alot of others agree with the OP and the other posts about removing CSM. As much as you dont like to see it there is plenty of people FOR removing your sorry asses...
The goon posts in hear trying to defend their beloved leader as become so desperate and laughable thats its just ignored. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
525
|
Posted - 2011.10.26 22:30:00 -
[818] - Quote
Big Bad Mofo wrote:As much as you dont like to see it there is plenty of people FOR removing your sorry asses... Why?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Big Bad Mofo
Retribution.
35
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Posted - 2011.10.26 22:31:00 -
[819] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Big Bad Mofo wrote:As much as you dont like to see it there is plenty of people FOR removing your sorry asses... Why?
Perhaps you should ask them and read the posts..Theres plenty of them |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
525
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Posted - 2011.10.26 22:32:00 -
[820] - Quote
Big Bad Mofo wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Big Bad Mofo wrote:As much as you dont like to see it there is plenty of people FOR removing your sorry asses... Why? Perhaps you should ask them and read the posts..Theres plenty of them I'm asking you why you agree with them.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Rer Eirikr
Clearly Compensating The Dark Triad
22
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:39:00 -
[821] - Quote
Big Bad Mofo wrote:White Tree wrote:There have been multiple instances in this thread where 'Just Another Toon' has been proven wrong, thrown temper tantrums and responded to legitimate points with what basically translates to 'You're wrong because I said so'. You don't get to remove a CSM member because they hurt your feelings. The end. I have to say this is not the only thread about removing the CSM is it? Think about it. Trying to derail the topic and numerous topics, and trying to discredit the OP is really quite a sad and pathetic maneuver. I and alot of others agree with the OP and the other posts about removing CSM. As much as you dont like to see it there is plenty of people FOR removing your sorry asses..
That's all well and dandy, you want to remove the CSM. Yet in every single thread about this subject, time and time again people have asked why do you want to remove the CSM, and what plan or idea do you have that is better than the CSM. Even if we get that far, we then run into the how do you implement and execute said plan realistically.
Time and time again, we've never gotten a real answer other than "You're a moron and read my idea wrong" or "Because".
Please, enlighten me.
Why do you want to remove the CSM? What plan or idea do you have that is better than the CSM? How do you implement and execute said plan realistically?
If you could point this out I still probably won't agree with you but at least then we can start having a logical debate over it. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
525
|
Posted - 2011.10.26 23:50:00 -
[822] - Quote
Rer Eirikr wrote:Time and time again, we've never gotten a real answer other than "You're a moron and read my idea wrong" or "Because".
Please, enlighten me.
Why do you want to remove the CSM? What plan or idea do you have that is better than the CSM? How do you implement and execute said plan realistically?
If you could point this out I still probably won't agree with you but at least then we can start having a logical debate over it. The fact that none of them have answered those questions is making me think there isn't some groundswell of support for ditching the CSM...it's just a couple angry guys and their sock puppets posting badly. Let's hope Hilmar is paying attention... The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
206
|
Posted - 2011.10.27 00:38:00 -
[823] - Quote
Big Bad Mofo wrote: I and alot of others agree with the OP and the other posts about removing CSM. As much as you dont like to see it there is plenty of people FOR removing your sorry asses...
You and alot of others? So, out of 50,000 active accounts 100 of you agree that we should remove the entire CSM.
And as much as you don't like it, the rest of us, something like 49,895 want the CSM.
Thank goodness for the democratic process.
-1 to you for not researching before you started the debate. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
463
|
Posted - 2011.10.27 01:10:00 -
[824] - Quote
Big Bad Mofo wrote:As much as you dont like to see it there is plenty of people FOR removing your sorry asses...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsis
perhaps you'll be taken more seriously when you don't write like a toddler |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1692
|
Posted - 2011.10.27 01:19:00 -
[825] - Quote
Big Bad Mofo wrote:White Tree wrote:There have been multiple instances in this thread where 'Just Another Toon' has been proven wrong, thrown temper tantrums and responded to legitimate points with what basically translates to 'You're wrong because I said so'. You don't get to remove a CSM member because they hurt your feelings. The end. I have to say this is not the only thread about removing the CSM is it? Think about it. Trying to derail the topic and numerous topics, and trying to discredit the OP is really quite a sad and pathetic maneuver. I and alot of others agree with the OP and the other posts about removing CSM. As much as you dont like to see it there is plenty of people FOR removing your sorry asses... The goon posts in hear trying to defend their beloved leader as become so desperate and laughable thats its just ignored.
A few random idiots with periods in their corp names aren't a groundswell of support, they're entertainment - idle sport to enjoy while sipping morning coffee.
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Big Bad Mofo
Retribution.
35
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Posted - 2011.10.27 10:31:00 -
[826] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Big Bad Mofo wrote:White Tree wrote:There have been multiple instances in this thread where 'Just Another Toon' has been proven wrong, thrown temper tantrums and responded to legitimate points with what basically translates to 'You're wrong because I said so'. You don't get to remove a CSM member because they hurt your feelings. The end. I have to say this is not the only thread about removing the CSM is it? Think about it. Trying to derail the topic and numerous topics, and trying to discredit the OP is really quite a sad and pathetic maneuver. I and alot of others agree with the OP and the other posts about removing CSM. As much as you dont like to see it there is plenty of people FOR removing your sorry asses... The goon posts in hear trying to defend their beloved leader as become so desperate and laughable thats its just ignored. A few random idiots with periods in their corp names aren't a groundswell of support, they're entertainment - idle sport to enjoy while sipping morning coffee.
lol you keep believing that Mittani. Man you are delusional. You are like a typical dictator. You have all the traits. That is scary..Are you sure your not the reincarnation of a well know german leader |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
177
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Posted - 2011.10.27 10:57:00 -
[827] - Quote
Rer Eirikr wrote:That's all well and dandy, you want to remove the CSM. Yet in every single thread about this subject, time and time again people have asked why do you want to remove the CSM, and what plan or idea do you have that is better than the CSM. Even if we get that far, we then run into the how do you implement and execute said plan realistically.
Time and time again, we've never gotten a real answer other than "You're a moron and read my idea wrong" or "Because".
Please, enlighten me.
Why do you want to remove the CSM? What plan or idea do you have that is better than the CSM? How do you implement and execute said plan realistically?
If you could point this out I still probably won't agree with you but at least then we can start having a logical debate over it. BBM, no more talk from you till you address these points.
o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Zephyrus II
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
6
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Posted - 2011.10.27 13:00:00 -
[828] - Quote
Big Bad Mofo wrote:lol you keep believing that Mittani. Man you are delusional. You are like a typical dictator. You have all the traits. That is scary..Are you sure your not the reincarnation of a well know german leader
My word, you just implied that the Glorious Leader was literally That German Leader... again!
No, he is not That German Leader, he is the Glorious Leader and he shall succeed where the former did not.
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1713
|
Posted - 2011.10.27 17:02:00 -
[829] - Quote
Big Bad Mofo wrote: lol you keep believing that Mittani. Man you are delusional. You are like a typical dictator. You have all the traits. That is scary..Are you sure your not the reincarnation of a well know german leader
According to people like you, I am not only him, but also Stalin and Osama at the SAME TIME because of ~internet magic~
Anyway, you just godwinned your posts, so thanks for showing precisely how hysterical you are - on the off chance anyone agreed with you. |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
122
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Posted - 2011.10.27 19:46:00 -
[830] - Quote
Inappropriate posts removed. Please stay polite, thank you. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Lord Mandelor
Consolidated Holdings War Ensemble.
10
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Posted - 2011.10.28 05:41:00 -
[831] - Quote
Out of curiosity, who or what exactly would replace the CSM? I for one vote that future features should be decided by dice rolls. ConHo Daily: http://conhodaily.blogspot.com Stories ranging from midgets inside your Damage Control to drones becoming self-aware. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
562
|
Posted - 2011.10.28 07:59:00 -
[832] - Quote
Lord Mandelor wrote:Out of curiosity, who or what exactly would replace the CSM? I for one vote that future features should be decided by dice rolls. I think they are asking for a return to the CSMs of old where nothing ever got done. I bet Hilmar would appreciate a CSM that spent all its time fighting with each other and not making life difficult for him.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
193
|
Posted - 2011.10.28 08:08:00 -
[833] - Quote
Lord Mandelor wrote:Out of curiosity, who or what exactly would replace the CSM? I for one vote that future features should be decided by dice rolls. Spin the bottle. Whoever Hilmar has to kiss also gets to steer the company for a week. o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Bezket
Tu Stultus Es
4
|
Posted - 2011.10.28 08:27:00 -
[834] - Quote
I never really paid attention to the CSM before now but if The Mitani has this many people crying about him he has my vote in the next election |
Sephiroth CloneIIV
Vitriol Ventures BLACK-MARK
4
|
Posted - 2011.10.28 21:37:00 -
[835] - Quote
this is just like the phantom menance, where chancoler valorium gets voted down for supreme chancoler because of the naboo crisis.
The ice miner blockade of gallente space is basically like the naboo crisis of eve online. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
630
|
Posted - 2011.10.28 23:01:00 -
[836] - Quote
Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:this is just like the phantom menance, where chancoler valorium gets voted down for supreme chancoler because of the naboo crisis.
The ice miner blockade of gallente space is basically like the naboo crisis of eve online. Too bad The Mittani isn't as hot as Natalie Portman. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
123
|
Posted - 2011.10.28 23:19:00 -
[837] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Too bad The Mittani isn't as hot as Natalie Portman.
Still feminine enough to make do in prison. |
Just Another Toon
State Protectorate Caldari State
750
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 11:52:00 -
[838] - Quote
In order to respect CCP - I will not be quoting, copy and pasting any actual conversations with CCP.
However in short - The CSM is constantly under review, and this situation and other complaints have been noted, however this does not guarantee any future changes.
So for the moment
Mittani 1 - Eve Players 0
So we shall see what happens next I guess. I hope CCP takes this very seriously going forward as this did get much support from many players and I would personally like to thank you guys for that support. Given there has been unrest about the current CSM by many other players, CCP must do something. I personally not sure if i am happy playing a game where corruption and vote rigging is rife. The current voting system is open to abuse and is being abused. Having 2000+ and 3000+ alts of YOUR OWN people voting for you guarantees your in the CSM. This is the normal world is called vote rigging. Also a CSM that feels they only represent their own voters (their alliance) and not the entire playerbase is a problem, and this is not what CSM was about.
My personal opinion is how can CCP have someone has chair, that leads an alliance wheres its very essence is about corruption, misery to others, scamming new players (when we need to keep new players), making people in.out of game miserable, and takes the game so seriously, they DDOS other sites, is for the 'greater good' is beyond me and infact very bad for eve.
Bottom line from me guys
**** DO NOT TRUST ANY CSM MEMBER IN GAME AT ALL - EVER. IN FACT THEY ARE MORE LIKELY TO ABUSE THAT CSM REPRESENTATION TO GAIN TRUST IN TERMS OF SCAMMING ETC ****
Could I trust them out of game and be trusted to represent on the CSM, if they screw over people in game? Never..
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2011.11.02 11:57:00 -
[839] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:they DDOS other sites Do you have proof to back this up, or is it just a baseless accusation? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
948
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 11:58:00 -
[840] - Quote
OP has probably done more to increase the number of goons who will vote in the next CSM election than any other single player. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Just Another Toon
State Protectorate Caldari State
750
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:03:00 -
[841] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:they DDOS other sites Do you have proof to back this up, or is it just a baseless accusation? 7 Please dont go there with that....its a FACT
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Just Another Toon
State Protectorate Caldari State
750
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:04:00 -
[842] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:OP has probably done more to increase the number of goons who will vote in the next CSM election than any other single player.
As if that will make a difference 3000 to 4000 meh.. |
Tore Vest
Vikinghall
47
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:05:00 -
[843] - Quote
I hope its not going to be a next CSM election |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
148
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:06:00 -
[844] - Quote
You have an obsession about the CSM and The Mittani in particular.
It seems you are allowing your obsession to cloud all judgement and you are posting emotionally.
On balance, the CSM (this CSM in particular), has done far more good for Eve than ever, regardless of the fact that you despise The Mittani and his Corporation and Alliance. You are reading way too much into the fact that some Goonswarm members are on the CSM and that one of them happens to be the Head of the CSM. In fact, your pleads and cries border on - and go beyond - conspiracy theories.
Seriously, your present state of mind cannot be good for your health. Eve is coming out of a dark era of its history and it just so happens that at the same time, the very CSM you despise, is present and in company.
Sure, many players complained, many unsubbed, a statue was shot-up. The CSM reinforced the message that many players where unhappy by carrying that through to CCP. key acronym there "CSM"
Trying to do away with this or any other future CSM is beyond belief and I'm starting to think that you and your friends are actually the one's who are trying to sabotage Eve and the future of Eve.
No-one, not me, not anyone else, can actually stop you posting (barring you getting yourself banned for some reason), but I am asking you as one player to another - stop the harrassment ? Your posts are making it appear as if the entire Eve is run by corrupt Dev and players who are in with the corruption - this potentially keeps new players out of the game. Is this what you are aiming for ?
Get over The Mittani and the CSM, for your own sanities sake.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Just Another Toon
State Protectorate Caldari State
750
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:09:00 -
[845] - Quote
Thorn Galen wrote:You have an obsession about the CSM and The Mittani in particular.
It seems you are allowing your obsession to cloud all judgement and you are posting emotionally.
On balance, the CSM (this CSM in particular), has done far more good for Eve than ever, regardless of the fact that you despise The Mittani and his Corporation and Alliance. You are reading way too much into the fact that some Goonswarm members are on the CSM and that one of them happens to be the Head of the CSM. In fact, your pleads and cries border on - and go beyond - conspiracy theories.
Seriously, your present state of mind cannot be good for your health. Eve is coming out of a dark era of its history and it just so happens that at the same time, the very CSM you despise, is present and in company.
Sure, many players complained, many unsubbed, a statue was shot-up. The CSM reinforced the message that many players where unhappy by carrying that through to CCP. key acronym there "CSM"
Trying to do away with this or any other future CSM is beyond belief and I'm starting to think that you and your friends are actually the one's who are trying to sabotage Eve and the future of Eve.
No-one, not me, not anyone else, can actually stop you posting (barring you getting yourself banned for some reason), but I am asking you as one player to another - stop the harrassment ? Your posts are making it appear as if the entire Eve is run by corrupt Dev and players who are in with the corruption - this potentially keeps new players out of the game. Is this what you are aiming for ?
Get over The Mittani and the CSM, for your own sanities sake.
Wrong Wrong.. I guess your saying that about all the other people who have supported this, and the countless others that have complained? Seriously GTFO What an idiot
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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
148
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:09:00 -
[846] - Quote
Bezket wrote:I never really paid attention to the CSM before now but if The Mitani has this many people crying about him he has my vote in the next election
Yes, on top of what I just wrote, I feel exactly the same way now.
I would be afraid to vote for anyone else with less impact and 8alls, who would do nothing for Eve.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1115
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:12:00 -
[847] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:they DDOS other sites Do you have proof to back this up, or is it just a baseless accusation? Please dont go there with that....its a FACT So do you have proof to back this up, or is it just a baseless accusation? How is he wrong? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
244
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:13:00 -
[848] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote: I guess your saying that about all the other people who have supported this, and the countless others that have complained?
All ten of you that complained? And for the rest of us 49,000+ that supported and still supports the entire CSM.
Still can't see the light? Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
151
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:13:00 -
[849] - Quote
Just Another Toon,
Evidently, from your rude response, you have lost the ability to communicate decently with others. You're happy as long as people agree with you. Anyone who says they do not agree with you, you slate (or rather try to). If you're unable to respond decently, stop posting, you're hurting your own mind.
So instead of using the words you used to tell me to go away, here's something for you :-
God Loves You.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
36
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:15:00 -
[850] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:they DDOS other sites Do you have proof to back this up, or is it just a baseless accusation? 7 Please dont go there with that....its a FACT I take that as a no, then. |
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Tore Vest
Vikinghall
47
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Posted - 2011.11.02 12:15:00 -
[851] - Quote
Thorn Galen wrote:Just Another Toon,
Evidently, from your rude response, you have lost the ability to communicate decently with others. You're happy as long as people agree with you. Anyone who says they do not agree with you, you slate (or rather try to). If you're unable to respond decently, stop posting, you're hurting your own mind.
So instead of using the words you used to tell me to go away, here's something for you :-
God Loves You.
Post with your main |
Just Another Toon
State Protectorate Caldari State
754
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:16:00 -
[852] - Quote
Two words Tippa for you - starts with F and second starts with 0 - Your boring I have never seen someone suck so much mittani C&*K . Its pathetic. |
Just Another Toon
State Protectorate Caldari State
754
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:17:00 -
[853] - Quote
Thorn Galen wrote:Just Another Toon,
Evidently, from your rude response, you have lost the ability to communicate decently with others. You're happy as long as people agree with you. Anyone who says they do not agree with you, you slate (or rather try to). If you're unable to respond decently, stop posting, you're hurting your own mind.
So instead of using the words you used to tell me to go away, here's something for you :-
God Loves You.
Get over it, had enough of being nice. |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
244
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:17:00 -
[854] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:
Two words Tippa for you - starts with F and second starts with 0 - Your boring I have never seen someone suck so much mittani C&*K . Its pathetic.
And this is why you lost. No actual facts to support your side of the debate. Just raw emotion and childish behavior.
Good luck being taken seriously with anything you do or say in your stay here on the eve-o forums. Or in-game for that matter.
-1 to you. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
36
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:18:00 -
[855] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Quote:Could I trust them out of game and be trusted to represent on the CSM, if they screw over people in game? Yes. I'd probably degrade that to a "probably", just to be on the safe side. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1115
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:18:00 -
[856] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Two words Tippa for you - starts with Y and second starts with R Yes, I know I'm right. Your complete inability to provide any kind of support for your assertions proves this. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Just Another Toon
State Protectorate Caldari State
754
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:19:00 -
[857] - Quote
Mortis vonShadow wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
Two words Tippa for you - starts with F and second starts with 0 - Your boring I have never seen someone suck so much mittani C&*K . Its pathetic.
And this is why you lost. No actual facts to support your side of the debate. Just raw emotion and childish behavior. Good luck being taken seriously with anything you do or say in your stay here on the eve-o forums. Or in-game for that matter. -1 to you.
-10 for you |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
36
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:20:00 -
[858] - Quote
Just Another Loon |
Red Templar
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
57
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:20:00 -
[859] - Quote
Maybe its just me, but i do not understand the problem about alt voting.
I do not consider voting for CSM in eve the same as voting for president. We are not citizens of EVE, that each of us would get only one voice. Nothing of a sort.
I see us, players, as a shareholders. You pay for your accounts, this way you invest money into CCP and the game itself. The more accounts you have, the more you pay for the game development and for CCP staff salary (indirectly, but still). So the more you invest, the more shares you have, more votes you should have. Same principle like shareholding for business companies.
After all, Eve Online is not a country where we live. Its a product that we "consume" and pay for. And CSM is in charge of passing our wishes/concerns about development of this game. And we pay for this development. So i think its just natural that those who pay for more accounts, should get more votes.
And its not like high-sec players, smaller alliances players do not have alts. Its not a special feature of null-sec players.
Problem lies not in alts or voting from multiple accounts. Problem is that people do not vote, they have no interest in exercising their own right to vote and choose their representatives.
This is just how i see things. Not saying that my vision is the only correct and holy one. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Just Another Toon
State Protectorate Caldari State
756
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:20:00 -
[860] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Two words Tippa for you - starts with Y and second starts with R Yes, I know I'm right. Your complete inability to provide any kind of support for your assertions proves this.
I have never seen anyone so negative on these forums as you, you are obviously a sad lonely person, who all he does is troll the forums with silly negative comments, think he has some intelligence but has none. Every post you post on you are totally negative to all players - you a sad miserable person. Your boring me.. Totally.. now go away.. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1117
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:20:00 -
[861] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Tippia wrote:Quote:Could I trust them out of game and be trusted to represent on the CSM, if they screw over people in game? Yes. I'd probably degrade that to a "probably", just to be on the safe side. Nah. At most I'd hedge it with, GÇ£yes, as much as he can trust anyone without anything to go byGÇ¥.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Just Another Toon
State Protectorate Caldari State
756
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:21:00 -
[862] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Just Another Loon
Thank you for the compliment |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
151
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:23:00 -
[863] - Quote
Tore Vest wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:Just Another Toon,
Evidently, from your rude response, you have lost the ability to communicate decently with others. You're happy as long as people agree with you. Anyone who says they do not agree with you, you slate (or rather try to). If you're unable to respond decently, stop posting, you're hurting your own mind.
So instead of using the words you used to tell me to go away, here's something for you :-
God Loves You.
Post with your main
You would sound almost intelligent if you knew what you were saying. This is my main, my one and my only. I've never hidden that fact.
You Fail @ troll 101.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
36
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:23:00 -
[864] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:I have never seen anyone so negative on these forums as you, you are obviously a sad lonely person, who all he does is troll the forums with silly negative comments, think he has some intelligence but has none. Every post you post on you are totally negative to all players - you a sad miserable person. Your boring me.. Totally.. now go away.. Anger stage. Next: despair. |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
244
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:23:00 -
[865] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:
Two words Tippa for you - starts with F and second starts with 0 - Your boring I have never seen someone suck so much mittani C&*K . Its pathetic.
Here let me refresh your memory.
Talk about being negative? What is this, hugs and kisses for everyone?
Now, be a good sport and accept the fact that your "offical petition" failed. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1117
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:25:00 -
[866] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:I have never seen anyone so negative on these forums as you You've never seen yourself on the forums? I suppose that would explain your inability to string together something that might be even remotely construed as a coherent argument.
Your continual inability to provide any proof, to answer any kind of question, to post anything but personal insults, and to add anything but unfounded accusations only further proves that I'm right. The fact remains: a minute and completely insignificant amount of people agree with your delusions, and most people have no problems separating the CSM from in-game behaviour. The entire premise for your complaint remains 100% unproven. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Tore Vest
Vikinghall
47
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:25:00 -
[867] - Quote
One question : Can trail acounts (not yet paid for chars) vote for CSM ? |
Just Another Toon
State Protectorate Caldari State
762
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:26:00 -
[868] - Quote
Mortis vonShadow wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
Two words Tippa for you - starts with F and second starts with 0 - Your boring I have never seen someone suck so much mittani C&*K . Its pathetic.
Here let me refresh your memory. Talk about being negative? What is this, hugs and kisses for everyone? Now, be a good sport and accept the fact that your "offical petition" failed.
Get over it...wasnt jsut mine plenty ppl supported it, perhaps your in the minority.. oh yes you are...guess your opinion doesnt matter then... goodbye
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Just Another Toon
State Protectorate Caldari State
762
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:28:00 -
[869] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:I have never seen anyone so negative on these forums as you You've never seen yourself on the forums? I suppose that would explain your inability to string together something that might be even remotely construed as a coherent argument. Your continual inability to provide any proof, to answer any kind of question, to post anything but personal insults, and to add anything but unfounded accusations only further proves that I'm right. The fact remains: a minute and completely insignificant amount of people agree with your delusions, and most people have no problems separating the CSM from in-game behaviour. The entire premise for your complaint remains 100% unproven.
yeah keep saying that, its still boring....you are boring..never seen someone so desperate to derail a post. Your desperation is looking a little pathetic now... |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
245
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:31:00 -
[870] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:
Get over it...wasnt jsut mine plenty ppl supported it, perhaps your in the minority.. oh yes you are...guess your opinion doesnt matter then... goodbye
Here let me refresh your memory yet again:
The Mittani 1 - You 0
Guess you're in the minority.
Care to try again? Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2011.11.02 12:31:00 -
[871] - Quote
So, uh, you're the only one I'm seeing agreeing with yourself at this point in this thread, and Mortis vonShadow is in the minority?
Funky universe you live in. |
Big Bad Mofo
Retribution.
43
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Posted - 2011.11.02 12:31:00 -
[872] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:I have never seen anyone so negative on these forums as you You've never seen yourself on the forums? I suppose that would explain your inability to string together something that might be even remotely construed as a coherent argument. Your continual inability to provide any proof, to answer any kind of question, to post anything but personal insults, and to add anything but unfounded accusations only further proves that I'm right. The fact remains: a minute and completely insignificant amount of people agree with your delusions, and most people have no problems separating the CSM from in-game behaviour. The entire premise for your complaint remains 100% unproven. yeah keep saying that, its still boring....you are boring..never seen someone so desperate to derail a post. Your desperation is looking a little pathetic now...
I have to agree.. Tippia you are a pain in the ass fella.. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1119
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:32:00 -
[873] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Get over it...wasnt jsut mine plenty ppl supported it No. A tiiiiiiiny amount of people supported it. Your opinion doesn't matter, and this thread (and your posts) prove it.
Quote:yeah keep saying that I will, until there's a reason to say otherwise, for instance if you were to start actually arguing your case and provide some kind of reasoning for what has gotten you so up in arms and why it needs to be changed.
Quote:never seen someone so desperate to derail a post Well maybe you should stop doing it then, and just accept that since there was no support for your cause, you should let the matter drop instead of trying to divert everyone's attention away from the fact that no-one agrees with you.
Big Bad Mofo wrote:I have to agree.. Tippia you are a pain in the ass fella.. Fortunately, it's a pain that's easily remedied: all he needs to do is provide proof, reasoning and arguments, and stop trying to deflect the questions he's being asked. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
152
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:32:00 -
[874] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Oh btw post with the right char dude..
Do some simple research. You are definetly in the paranoia zone and are suffering the consequences. Everything you write now is totally unbelievable - in a bad way.
I have no Alts - unlike you with the many voices in your head.
Seek help.
God loves you.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Big Bad Mofo
Retribution.
43
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:33:00 -
[875] - Quote
Mortis vonShadow wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
Get over it...wasnt jsut mine plenty ppl supported it, perhaps your in the minority.. oh yes you are...guess your opinion doesnt matter then... goodbye
Here let me refresh your memory yet again: The Mittani 1 - You 0 Guess you're in the minority. Care to try again?
I dont usually get involved but the original post did get 80 likes so perhaps its
Post 80 - You 0? |
Just Another Toon
State Protectorate Caldari State
762
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:33:00 -
[876] - Quote
Thorn Galen wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Oh btw post with the right char dude.. Do some simple research. You are definetly in the paranoia zone and are suffering the consequences. Everything you write now is totally unbelievable - in a bad way. I have no Alts - unlike you with the many voices in your head. Seek help. God loves you.
Are you still going on about that? |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
152
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:34:00 -
[877] - Quote
Tore Vest wrote: One question : Can trial acounts (not yet paid for chars) vote for CSM ?
Fixed that for you.
No, trial accounts cannot vote. The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Just Another Toon
State Protectorate Caldari State
762
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:35:00 -
[878] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Get over it...wasnt jsut mine plenty ppl supported it No. A tiiiiiiiny amount of people supported it. Your opinion doesn't matter, and this thread (and your posts) prove it. Quote:yeah keep saying that I will, until there's a reason to say otherwise, for instance if you were to start actually arguing your case and provide some kind of reasoning for what has gotten you so up in arms and why it needs to be changed. Quote:never seen someone so desperate to derail a post Well maybe you should stop doing it then, and just accept that since there was no support for your cause, you should let the matter drop instead of trying to divert everyone's attention away from the fact that no-one agrees with you. Big Bad Mofo wrote:I have to agree.. Tippia you are a pain in the ass fella.. Fortunately, it's a pain that's easily remedied: all he needs to do is provide proof, reasoning and arguments, and stop trying to deflect the questions he's being asked.
Zzzzz - damn you made me fall asleep.. |
Just Another Toon
State Protectorate Caldari State
762
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:54:00 -
[879] - Quote
Anyway i just wanted to post the update - thought you might of wanted to know. Sorry for causing you inconvienience
You win. thank you and goodbye |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1119
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:56:00 -
[880] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Zzzzz - damn you made me fall asleep.. You should. Then you can dream up some more nonsense to post, just like in your OP. I'm sure the same pitiful misguided guys would support whatever new delusions you come up with.
Don't worry GÇö we all know you have no ability to back your assertions up, so we can probably skip that whole dance the whole time, and you won't have to was as much time and effort trying to evade and obfuscate this obvious fact.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Just Another Toon
State Protectorate Caldari State
762
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:57:00 -
[881] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Zzzzz - damn you made me fall asleep.. You should. Then you can dream up some more nonsense to post, just like in your OP. I'm sure the same pitiful misguided guys would support whatever new delusions you come up with. Don't worry GÇö we all know you have no ability to back your assertions up, so we can probably skip that whole dance the whole time, and you won't have to was as much time and effort trying to evade and obfuscate this obvious fact.
Sorry still nodding off...man you are boring as hell... |
Tore Vest
Vikinghall
47
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 12:59:00 -
[882] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Anyway i just wanted to post the update - thought you might of wanted to know. Sorry for causing you inconvienience
You win. thank you and goodbye
Big forum trolls allways win.....
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
38
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 13:00:00 -
[883] - Quote
Big Bad Mofo wrote:I dont usually get involved but the original post did get 80 likes so perhaps its
Post 80 - You 0? This thread was created after Mittani began ganking mackinaws etc in gallente ice belts. What would you bet on some of them being splashover from that? |
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
28
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 13:01:00 -
[884] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Anyway i just wanted to post the update - thought you might of wanted to know. Sorry for causing you inconvienience
You win. thank you and goodbye
About time you admitted it. Now build a bridge and get over your river of tears. |
Big Bad Mofo
Retribution.
43
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 13:10:00 -
[885] - Quote
Mortis vonShadow wrote:Big Bad Mofo wrote: I dont usually get involved but the original post did get 80 likes so perhaps its
Post 80 - You 0?
Two things: 1. You lie. Your blathery is all over the forums. 2. If I wanted too, I could get my alts out and high five myself.
Here...if you want to try starting on me then go ahead big boy. You cant bully me, like you try to do on these forums to others. Ill be more than happy to have a forum war with you! Ill be happy to rip you apart on these forums for as long as you are a player, i will follow every thread you do, and youll know about it.
Keep me out of your pathetic childness, im not called big bad mofo for nothing, d**khead |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
630
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 13:15:00 -
[886] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:You win. thank you and goodbye Another Mittani flawless victory.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
630
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 13:15:00 -
[887] - Quote
Big Bad Mofo wrote:Keep me out of your pathetic childness, im not called big bad mofo for nothing, d**khead Oh god the irony
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
124
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 13:22:00 -
[888] - Quote
Hahahahaha
Did you really think the petition would end any other way? Everyone explained to you exactly why you are wrong, and that's precisely why CCP completely snubbed you.
Next time try using your reason like an adult instead of being a spoiled emotional child.
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Just Another Toon
State Protectorate Caldari State
783
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 13:24:00 -
[889] - Quote
Elise DarkStar wrote:Hahahahaha
Did you really think the petition would end any other way? Everyone explained to you exactly why you are wrong, and that's precisely why CCP completely snubbed you.
Next time try using your reason like an adult instead of being a spoiled emotional child.
lol this is funny. the 80 real likes and the 700 personal likes FROM OTHER PEOPLE, says you and your silly little troll cry babies are in the minority BY A LONG SHOT... nuff said really. bye bye... |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
630
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 13:27:00 -
[890] - Quote
I would love to read the conversations you had with the GMs. I bet it was hilarious when you realized that your petition wouldn't accomplish anything. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Just Another Toon
State Protectorate Caldari State
783
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 13:27:00 -
[891] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:I would love to read the conversations you had with the GMs. I bet it was hilarious when you realized that your petition wouldn't accomplish anything.
lol it did actually but i wont go into it...you look like that in real life btw? Ewww
I already won. It raised awareness, and got support, a lot of it. The post achieved EXACTLY what it set out to do. We know damn well nothing can change immediately.... |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
634
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 13:32:00 -
[892] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:The post achieved EXACTLY what it set out to do. So you set out to make yourself look like a paranoid loon? Good job with that I guess...
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Just Another Toon
State Protectorate Caldari State
812
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 13:33:00 -
[893] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:The post achieved EXACTLY what it set out to do. So you set out to make yourself look like a paranoid loon? Good job with that I guess...
I guess i got a few hundred other loon brothers with me then... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1124
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 13:34:00 -
[894] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:lol this is funny. the 80 real likes and the 700 personal likes FROM OTHER PEOPLE GǪwhich doesn't mean anything. How can you not have understood this yet? That could be as few as 26 accounts. And no, it does not even have to be from other people. You are a very very very small minority, and you have the numbers to prove it.
The fact of the matter remains: you had no case, you had no arguments, you had no proof, you had no reasoning and your little quest got halted for that exact reason. Just because a very tiny amount of people didn't think you needed any of those (for whatever reason) does not mean that your complete lack of convincing argumentation is suddenly worth anything.
Those are the things you need GÇö not likes GÇö to get a message across. Had you had any of that, you could probably have gained even more likes, but they would still not mean anything: your argument would. Without such an argument, you lost before you even started.
Quote:The post achieved EXACTLY what it set out to do. You could have just posted in the Gǣgive an receive likesGǥ if that was your goal, you know. Instead, you chose to rack up how many marks against your account for continuously breaking the forum rulesGǪ?
Quote:I guess i got a few hundred other loon brothers with me then. Yes, zero hundred is indeed very few. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
21
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 13:35:00 -
[895] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:The post achieved EXACTLY what it set out to do. So you set out to make yourself look like a paranoid loon? Good job with that I guess... I guess i got a few hundred other loon brothers with me then...
Yes you do.
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Just Another Toon
State Protectorate Caldari State
812
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 13:35:00 -
[896] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:lol this is funny. the 80 real likes and the 700 personal likes FROM OTHER PEOPLE GǪwhich doesn't mean anything. How can you not have understood this yet? That could be as few as 26 accounts. And no, it does not even have to be from other people. You are a very very very small minority, and you have the numbers to prove it. The fact of the matter remains: you had no case, you had no arguments, you had no proof, you had no reasoning and your little quest got halted for that exact reason. Just because a very tiny amount of people didn't think you needed any of those (for whatever reason) does not mean that your complete lack of convincing argumentation is suddenly worth anything. Those are the things you need GÇö not likes GÇö to get a message across. Had you had any of that, you could probably have gained even more likes, but they would still not mean anything: your argument would. Without such an argument, you lost before you even started.
I dont understand anything you say, its like your mike TV in Willy Wonka. You know where Wonka keeps saying "I dont understand a word you are saying" exact same here. Oh and had A LOT more support than you..
no arguments, no proof, no reasoning? Hmmm just liek all your posts then, again your pathetics desperation to derail this post is again laughable - Tippia, listen we are laughing at you... really we are...i can keep trolling you forever if you like. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1124
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 13:37:00 -
[897] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:I dont understand anything We know. That's why your little petition didn't go anywhere.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Just Another Toon
State Protectorate Caldari State
812
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 13:39:00 -
[898] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:I dont understand anything We know. That's why your little petition didn't go anywhere.
The thing is it did....sorry to dissapoint..Also lol theres like 4 of you trolling this thread - 4! lol and most are alts... 4 people ONLY Jeez now thats laughable |
Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
126
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 13:42:00 -
[899] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:lol this is funny. the 80 real likes and the 700 personal likes FROM OTHER PEOPLE, says you and your silly little troll cry babies are in the minority BY A LONG SHOT... nuff said really. bye bye...
What good did any of those likes do you? Have you accomplished your goal? Have you in anyway made a discernible impact on any of the issues you raised?
No. You have achieved nothing but getting "likes" on forum posts, which is an absolutely valueless measure.
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Just Another Toon
State Protectorate Caldari State
812
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 13:44:00 -
[900] - Quote
Elise DarkStar wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:lol this is funny. the 80 real likes and the 700 personal likes FROM OTHER PEOPLE, says you and your silly little troll cry babies are in the minority BY A LONG SHOT... nuff said really. bye bye... What good did any of those likes do you? Have you accomplished your goal? Have you in anyway made a discernible impact on any of the issues you raised? No. You have achieved nothing but getting "likes" on forum posts, which is an absolutely valueless measure.
Yes the goal was accomplished... again I cannot go into specifics. However as said awareness was raised, support was given it achieved EXACTLY what it was set out to. And hey guys you keep missing the plenty of other posts about the CSM. Guess you 4 people are the majority then.... cos thats all i see supporting you and your trolls.
Its like world hunger, you cant resolve it a day, but as long as you keep raising awareness, then it will gain more support...
I bid you farewell on this topic.. again it achieved exactly what it was supposed to...JAT out...no more feeding the trolls, dinner time is over |
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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
246
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 13:48:00 -
[901] - Quote
Big Bad Mofo wrote:
Here...if you want to try starting on me then go ahead big boy. You cant bully me, like you try to do on these forums to others. Ill be more than happy to have a forum war with you! Ill be happy to rip you apart on these forums for as long as you are a player, i will follow every thread you do, and youll know about it.
Keep me out of your pathetic childness, im not called big bad mofo for nothing, d**khead
Hehehe, you call me a child, yet you act like a child.
You say your a bad mofo, hehehehe, I doubt it. The only thing you can rip apart is the wrapper of a twinkie bag.
Edit: Before you get any ideas, I'm a disabled vet. USMC. You? Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
126
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 13:51:00 -
[902] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Yes the goal was accomplished... again I cannot go into specifics. However as said awareness was raised, support was given it achieved EXACTLY what it was set out to. And hey guys you keep missing the plenty of other posts about the CSM. Guess you 4 people are the majority then.... cos thats all i see supporting you and your trolls. Its like world hunger, you cant resolve it a day, but as long as you keep raising awareness, then it will gain more support...
It's also like screaming on the streetcorner that aliens are probing you every night. People are now aware that some guy on the corner thinks aliens probe him regularly, but it doesn't mean they believe it nor are they willing to act upon it in the way that the raving lunatic would want them to. |
Just Another Toon
State Protectorate Caldari State
812
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 13:54:00 -
[903] - Quote
Elise DarkStar wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Yes the goal was accomplished... again I cannot go into specifics. However as said awareness was raised, support was given it achieved EXACTLY what it was set out to. And hey guys you keep missing the plenty of other posts about the CSM. Guess you 4 people are the majority then.... cos thats all i see supporting you and your trolls. Its like world hunger, you cant resolve it a day, but as long as you keep raising awareness, then it will gain more support... It's also like screaming on the streetcorner that aliens are probing you every night. People are now aware that some guy on the corner thinks aliens probe him regularly, but it doesn't mean they believe it nor are they willing to act upon it in the way that the raving lunatic would want them to.
Last post - guess the majority of you 4 alt supporters means you win...anyway thats it from me.. Got nothing more to say... |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
637
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 13:54:00 -
[904] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:I bid you farewell on this topic You've said this like 20 times already.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
126
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 13:57:00 -
[905] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Last post - guess the majority of you 4 alt supporters means you win...anyway thats it from me.. Got nothing more to say...
See, this isn't even relevant to the post of mine that you quoted and were supposedly responding to.
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Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
28
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 14:04:00 -
[906] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Elise DarkStar wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:lol this is funny. the 80 real likes and the 700 personal likes FROM OTHER PEOPLE, says you and your silly little troll cry babies are in the minority BY A LONG SHOT... nuff said really. bye bye... What good did any of those likes do you? Have you accomplished your goal? Have you in anyway made a discernible impact on any of the issues you raised? No. You have achieved nothing but getting "likes" on forum posts, which is an absolutely valueless measure. Yes the goal was accomplished... again I cannot go into specifics. However as said awareness was raised, support was given it achieved EXACTLY what it was set out to. And hey guys you keep missing the plenty of other posts about the CSM. Guess you 4 people are the majority then.... cos thats all i see supporting you and your trolls. Its like world hunger, you cant resolve it a day, but as long as you keep raising awareness, then it will gain more support... I bid you farewell on this topic.. again it achieved exactly what it was supposed to...JAT out...no more feeding the trolls, dinner time is over
Accomplished what? Nothing? Good job dude! |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
152
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 14:06:00 -
[907] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:This thread pleases me.
I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.
That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.
LOL |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
222
|
Posted - 2011.11.03 01:32:00 -
[908] - Quote
Nate Guralman wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Nate Guralman wrote:The conversation above would never happen. Actually, that has happened twice, one titan and one supercarrier iirc. Oh, I have no doubt people were scammed out of their belongings through outright lying in chat. What I don't believe is that the scammer used their position on the CSM to gain the scammee's trust. I don't remember all the details offhand of the titan scam (iirc those are publicly available on the site that must not be named because CCP is a big butthurt crybabby), but one goon got some pubbie to hand over 79b (could've gotten 80) by saying "the mittani is entirely trustworthy, he's the csm chairman!", which the pubbie swallowed whole. vOv |
Sirhan Blixt
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
36
|
Posted - 2011.11.03 03:13:00 -
[909] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Nate Guralman wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Nate Guralman wrote:The conversation above would never happen. Actually, that has happened twice, one titan and one supercarrier iirc. Oh, I have no doubt people were scammed out of their belongings through outright lying in chat. What I don't believe is that the scammer used their position on the CSM to gain the scammee's trust. I don't remember all the details offhand of the titan scam (iirc those are publicly available on the site that must not be named because CCP is a big butthurt crybabby), but one goon got some pubbie to hand over 79b (could've gotten 80) by saying "the mittani is entirely trustworthy, he's the csm chairman!", which the pubbie swallowed whole. vOv ... the important takeaway being that, at no time in either conversation did the Mittani himself offer any assurance of trust based on his position as CSM chairman, or any statement that could be construed as one. I'll leave the lawyerese to actual lawyers, but the basic fact was that there was no there there. Any notion that the MIttani had somehow abused his position as CSM chairman or engaged in corrupt behavior in his capacity as CSM chairman is entirely hypothetical. The actual chat logs have been leaked and re-leaked so many times that even the least dedicated investigator should have no trouble finding them.
But, facts be damned, we have yet again witnessed the spectacle of a screaming, gibbering mob of pubbies all beating on a greasy spot on the pavement where used to lie the carcass of a horse. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1189
|
Posted - 2011.11.03 04:18:00 -
[910] - Quote
Not that a seat in the CSM should be construed as a "position of trust" in any case. |
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Master Modulus
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
|
Posted - 2011.11.04 18:10:00 -
[911] - Quote
It's because of tears like this from carebears that many goons re-sub. Let It Bee. |
Vio Geraci
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
118
|
Posted - 2011.11.04 22:33:00 -
[912] - Quote
Dear Just Another Toon,
What is your primary language in real life?
Signed with love,
-Vio Geraci
PS: How much of this thread have you actually read? |
Delirious Grib
Solaroids Another Really Stupid Enterprise
5
|
Posted - 2011.11.10 09:59:00 -
[913] - Quote
I see no issue with a CSM scamming. Mittani represents the playerbase with particular interest in Goons and scammers. Like it or not, this is an integral part of the playerbase. As long as other CSMs represent other aspects of the Eve playerbase (carebears, etc) it seems perfectly legit. I would only say as long as he does not use his position to authenticate scams (e.g. saying "you can trust me, I'm a CSM") then it's fine.
That said I am not hugely familiar with CSM election procedures. Can players vote for them? An evemail from CCP with a prompt to vote when elections roll round would provide a way of ensuring CSMs are vaguely representative of the Eve population. |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
275
|
Posted - 2011.11.10 10:07:00 -
[914] - Quote
Delirious Grib wrote:I see no issue with a CSM scamming. Mittani represents the playerbase with particular interest in Goons and scammers. Like it or not, this is an integral part of the playerbase. As long as other CSMs represent other aspects of the Eve playerbase (carebears, etc) it seems perfectly legit. I would only say as long as he does not use his position to authenticate scams (e.g. saying "you can trust me, I'm a CSM") then it's fine.
That said I am not hugely familiar with CSM election procedures. Can players vote for them? An evemail from CCP with a prompt to vote when elections roll round would provide a way of ensuring CSMs are vaguely representative of the Eve population. It is an out of game vote, which is advertised for about 3 weeks(1 week before and for the whole 2 weeks the election runs). Total votes cast are tallied, the 9 people with the most votes are CSM, and the 5(I think) who came in below that are designated as alternates, to be called in to fill in for any of the main delegates who are unable to perform(CSM steps down, alt becomes CSM, CSM can't make a meeting, alt steps in and attends the meeting in their place).
The new eve launcher that they have with the SiSi client is gonna do its best to shove info like this even more in our faces, as well.
All in all, short of requiring you to vote to log in, everything reasonable is being done to make sure people know about it. If you can't be bothered to vote, you have no say in the current round of CSMs. If you voted and your candidate lost, sorry, you might try helping them campaign in the upcoming elections so they get enough votes to get in.
iirc, the minimum votes to get elected this last time was only about 2k, so its not like its a massive chunk of the playerbase, but its enough to block unorganized candidates from getting in. o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Geertruida Zelle
Quantum Wake Enemy-Fleet
3
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Posted - 2011.11.13 01:51:00 -
[915] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:[quote=Venus Vermillion][quote=Just Another Toon][quote=Andski][quote=Just Another Toon]****
all sorts of cuddly stuff
I voted for mittani, yet I hardly venture out of Empire. The goons would most prob call be a pubbie, but who cares. This is eve, not utopia, and thats what makes it fun. The fact that there is a risk everytime I haul stuff in and out of Jita, the fact that I have to read every contract in minute detail, the fact that groups of people can cause chaos and disturb the routine. Thats what gives this game the edge.
x3 might be a better game for you. Its nice, safe and predictable, you will love it.
z
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
222
|
Posted - 2011.11.13 04:32:00 -
[916] - Quote
X3 is indeed a good game, it's going to be interesting to see how X Reborn turns out. |
Big Bad Mofo
Retribution.
53
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Posted - 2011.11.15 12:03:00 -
[917] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:X3 is indeed a good game, it's going to be interesting to see how X Reborn turns out.
its rebirth btw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LabrDe4XJo0 its looks amazing, i really really wish they would make this into a MMO.. This is what space games should look like..they have always made eve look 10 years behind..sorry.. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
222
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Posted - 2011.11.15 13:06:00 -
[918] - Quote
Derp. Rebirth it is. |
Kilobar
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
31
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Posted - 2011.11.15 16:29:00 -
[919] - Quote
OP show me where on the doll the mittens touched you |
E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
153
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:37:00 -
[920] - Quote
as someone who has fought agaist the goons and does not like them I say....
WTF is your problem?
Mittens is playing the game...good for him He is having fun in the game..Good for him He wants to make eve better..Good for him.
I don't see a problem.
Need more-ádecent content a casual player can access in a 1-2h play period that is actually fun and contributes to long term personal and corp goals. This applies to PvE and PvP. |
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Diosas
Comply Or Die
2
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Posted - 2011.11.17 09:48:00 -
[921] - Quote
E man Industries wrote:as someone who has fought agaist the goons and does not like them I say....
WTF is your problem?
Mittens is playing the game...good for him He is having fun in the game..Good for him He wants to make eve better..Good for him.
I don't see a problem.
Maybe thats the problem you think this ^
he wants to make eve better? Yes for himself and the goons thats it.. im bored of hearing from alt goons about mittens personally. The only people who support him are his goon losers. Anyway you are like 2 months late posting, time this thread was locked and closed i think |
Stahlregen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2011.11.17 16:51:00 -
[922] - Quote
Diosas wrote:E man Industries wrote:as someone who has fought agaist the goons and does not like them I say....
WTF is your problem?
Mittens is playing the game...good for him He is having fun in the game..Good for him He wants to make eve better..Good for him.
I don't see a problem. Maybe thats the problem you think this ^ he wants to make eve better? Yes for himself and the goons thats it.. im bored of hearing from alt goons about mittens personally. The only people who support him are his goon losers. Anyway you are like 2 months late posting, time this thread was locked and closed i think
How about instead of calling us losers you detail what it is exactly he is doing that is for the sole benefit of him and his ilk rather than for the betterment of all EVE? Is it CSM6's push for the focus on FiS instead of space barbies, The redistribution of technetium and other moon minerals, the nerfing of supercaps and thus the unassailable power of old-boys-club alliances, or is it the bringing of long requested features/issues that have been on CCP's backburner for years to the front?
Even a cursory glance at his platform and the results of the current CSM reveals that a lot of the things he is pushing for will actually be detrimental to goonswarm federation members on both an individual and alliance level. It's painfully obvious you simply dislike goons and let hilarious amounts of rage completely cloud your judgement, but hey feel free to provide an actual argument as to why this isn't true other than; "goons are losers." EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A VHS INTO THE SLOT. IT'S CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I START DOING THE MOVES ALONGSIDE THE MAIN CHARACTER, RIDDICK. I DO EVERY MOVE AND I DO EVERY MOVE HARD. MAKIN' WHOOSHING SOUNDS WHEN I SLAM DOWN SOME NECRO BASTARDS. NOT MANY CAN SAY THEY ESCAPED THE GALAXY'S MOST DANGEROUS PRISON. I CAN. |
ConranAntoni
Empyrean Warriors The Obsidian Front
1
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Posted - 2011.11.20 05:05:00 -
[923] - Quote
Cba reading this clusterfuck of terribad posts, can someone repost best rages so far? Need more tears for my happy bucket. |
ShipToaster
21
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Posted - 2011.11.20 06:05:00 -
[924] - Quote
Mittani is good for EVE. Makes game more interesting for me. Not supported. Griefing CCP - Bounties for E-Uni Ganking: action continues.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=343354#post343354 |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
212
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Posted - 2011.12.20 06:35:00 -
[925] - Quote
Stahlregen wrote:
How about instead of calling us losers you detail what it is exactly he is doing that is for the sole benefit of him and his ilk rather than for the betterment of all EVE? Is it CSM6's push for the focus on FiS instead of space barbies, The redistribution of technetium and other moon minerals, the nerfing of supercaps and thus the unassailable power of old-boys-club alliances, or is it the bringing of long requested features/issues that have been on CCP's backburner for years to the front?
Even a cursory glance at his platform and the results of the current CSM reveals that a lot of the things he is pushing for will actually be detrimental to goonswarm federation members on both an individual and alliance level. It's painfully obvious you simply dislike goons and let hilarious amounts of rage completely cloud your judgement, but hey feel free to provide an actual argument as to why this isn't true other than; "goons are losers."
Not emptyquoting. CSM6 actually got **** done and I don't give a **** about how massive of a ****** people like white tree/mittens are (very). CSM6 is the driving force behind the timely abortion of WiS and the refocus on fights. Oh and of course the hybrid/gallente rebalance. They communicated with CCP a lot on that as well.
OP, you are a moron with a worldview (heh, more like EVE-view get it) that literally spans only ~10% of the game. Shut the **** up about these things, you literally have no idea what you're talking about. |
Sofia Wolf
Ubuntu Inc. Lonely Maple Conglomeration
4
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Posted - 2012.01.15 14:39:00 -
[926] - Quote
All in all Mittani is a problem for CCP. Having GÇ£open to fraud, stealing an grefingGÇ¥ policy was good for EVE sandbox when it was done by relatively independent groups and individuals. But with Mittani's increasing influence and organisational capabilities promoting such activities it reaches levels when it becomes more then just a game feature but actual problem for recruiting new or holding on to old players. Thus he becomes actual problem for CCP and it's bottom line.
As thing are standing now Mittani did not openly do or say anything that is in conflict with EULA (anyhow if he did something that conflicts with it CCP does not know about it so it is irrelevant) so he can continue his his work in EVE and CSM as long as he likes regardless of what we say or do.
But we should note that recently we had some changes in EVE rules protecting new players and carebears, those changes were undoubtedly provoked by CFC high sec ganking and recruitment frauds, and were I no way promoted by CSM. More of those are likely to come. In the end Mittens greatest GÇ£contributionGÇ¥ to EVE might end up being more restricted sandbox and more irrelevant CSM as CCP has to protect it's bottom line from the likes of him. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
516
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Posted - 2012.01.15 21:14:00 -
[927] - Quote
Sofia Wolf wrote:All in all Mittani is a problem for CCP. Having GÇ£open to fraud, stealing an grefingGÇ¥ policy was good for EVE sandbox when it was done by relatively independent groups and individuals. But with Mittani's increasing influence and organisational capabilities promoting such activities it reaches levels when it becomes more then just a game feature but actual problem for recruiting new or holding on to old players. Thus he becomes actual problem for CCP and it's bottom line. Pray tell, how is this "an actual problem for recruiting new or holding on to old players"?
Sofia Wolf wrote:But we should note that recently we had some changes in EVE rules protecting new players and carebears, those changes were undoubtedly provoked by CFC high sec ganking and recruitment frauds, and were I no way promoted by CSM. More of those are likely to come. In the end Mittens greatest GÇ£contributionGÇ¥ to EVE might end up being more restricted sandbox and more irrelevant CSM as CCP has to protect it's bottom line from the likes of him. You mean the changes where insurance wasn't being paid out if you get concorded? How can you possibly come to the conclusion that this is "restricting the sandbox" and "making CSM irrelevant"? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
2606
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Posted - 2012.01.15 21:44:00 -
[928] - Quote
Sofia Wolf wrote:All in all Mittani is a problem for CCP. Having GÇ£open to fraud, stealing an grefingGÇ¥ policy was good for EVE sandbox when it was done by relatively independent groups and individuals. But with Mittani's increasing influence and organisational capabilities promoting such activities it reaches levels when it becomes more then just a game feature but actual problem for recruiting new or holding on to old players. Thus he becomes actual problem for CCP and it's bottom line.
As thing are standing now Mittani did not openly do or say anything that is in conflict with EULA (anyhow if he did something that conflicts with it CCP does not know about it so it is irrelevant) so he can continue his his work in EVE and CSM as long as he likes regardless of what we say or do.
But we should note that recently we had some changes in EVE rules protecting new players and carebears, those changes were undoubtedly provoked by CFC high sec ganking and recruitment frauds, and were I no way promoted by CSM. More of those are likely to come. In the end Mittens greatest GÇ£contributionGÇ¥ to EVE might end up being more restricted sandbox and more irrelevant CSM as CCP has to protect it's bottom line from the likes of him.
So in short, he's done nothing wrong, but he has to go because you just don't like him? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Killer Gandry
Shadow of the Pain
25
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Posted - 2012.01.16 11:08:00 -
[929] - Quote
First of all I am no Mittens fan. Far from that.
But he was elected into the current position and as such he can't and shouldn't be removed just because he isn't the representative you don't want. As long as he doesn't break any of the rules that would get him legally removed or quits by himself he can and will serve out his term(s).
Only way to get him into a position he doesn't want to be is by doing a better job to get more votes for someone else to represent.
Like I stated many times before and will always state in the future.
As long as the socalled pure hi sec dwellers can't unite themselves behind ONE candidate and actually take the effort to vote for that candidate you can't really claim anything. It's the sheer power of numbers that decide the distribution of chairs in the CSM.
One of the advantages that the null sec entities have is that they are somewhat forced to interact within a certain group a lot more whereas hi sec doesn't have that cohersion.
So don't blame Mittens for being chairman but blame those who had the option to vote and didn't
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
521
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Posted - 2012.01.16 11:16:00 -
[930] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:he isn't the representative you don't want. Heh.
Never not voting no to the person you don't want? |
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Red Templar
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.01.16 11:24:00 -
[931] - Quote
Can you imagine LoTR without Sauron and his orcs? No. Eve is the same. You can no longer imagine eve without Goons and our morally bankrupt leaders. So stop whining and go kill us, and be a hero, or whatever. Isnt that what this game is about? But for **** sake, stop whining and bitching on forums. Its getting boring. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Everseeker
Northgate
1
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Posted - 2012.01.17 21:28:00 -
[932] - Quote
I, for one, welcome our morally bankrupt overlords.... |
Wolodymyr
Mando'a Navy Controlled Chaos
22
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Posted - 2012.01.18 01:24:00 -
[933] - Quote
So don't vote for him. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
2618
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Posted - 2012.01.18 08:03:00 -
[934] - Quote
Wolodymyr wrote:So don't vote for him.
Well it's hardly "democracy" when the rabble can vote for people I dislike with no restrictions whatsoever, now is it? If some kind of structure isn't put in place to prevent the wrong people for voting for the wrong candidate then the mob will just end up voting for whoever they want! Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Red Templar
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
119
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Posted - 2012.01.18 08:17:00 -
[935] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Wolodymyr wrote:So don't vote for him. Well it's hardly "democracy" when the rabble can vote for people I dislike with no restrictions whatsoever, now is it? If some kind of structure isn't put in place to prevent the wrong people for voting for the wrong candidate then the mob will just end up voting for whoever they want! Well we certainly cannot allow that. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Wolodymyr
Mando'a Navy Controlled Chaos
23
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Posted - 2012.01.18 21:45:00 -
[936] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Wolodymyr wrote:So don't vote for him. Well it's hardly "democracy" when the rabble can vote for people I dislike with no restrictions whatsoever, now is it? If some kind of structure isn't put in place to prevent the wrong people for voting for the wrong candidate then the mob will just end up voting for whoever they want! Now we just need to figure out who the landed gentry is in eve and let them cast votes on behalf of the peasants and merchants in their county. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
2623
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Posted - 2012.01.18 22:43:00 -
[937] - Quote
Wolodymyr wrote:Malcanis wrote:Wolodymyr wrote:So don't vote for him. Well it's hardly "democracy" when the rabble can vote for people I dislike with no restrictions whatsoever, now is it? If some kind of structure isn't put in place to prevent the wrong people for voting for the wrong candidate then the mob will just end up voting for whoever they want! Now we just need to figure out who the landed gentry is in eve and let them cast votes on behalf of the peasants and merchants in their county.
It's me. I am. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Signal11th
406
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Posted - 2012.01.18 23:53:00 -
[938] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Sofia Wolf wrote:All in all Mittani is a problem for CCP. Having GÇ£open to fraud, stealing an grefingGÇ¥ policy was good for EVE sandbox when it was done by relatively independent groups and individuals. But with Mittani's increasing influence and organisational capabilities promoting such activities it reaches levels when it becomes more then just a game feature but actual problem for recruiting new or holding on to old players. Thus he becomes actual problem for CCP and it's bottom line.
As thing are standing now Mittani did not openly do or say anything that is in conflict with EULA (anyhow if he did something that conflicts with it CCP does not know about it so it is irrelevant) so he can continue his his work in EVE and CSM as long as he likes regardless of what we say or do.
But we should note that recently we had some changes in EVE rules protecting new players and carebears, those changes were undoubtedly provoked by CFC high sec ganking and recruitment frauds, and were I no way promoted by CSM. More of those are likely to come. In the end Mittens greatest GÇ£contributionGÇ¥ to EVE might end up being more restricted sandbox and more irrelevant CSM as CCP has to protect it's bottom line from the likes of him. So in short, he's done nothing wrong, but he has to go because you just don't like him?
As Malcanis is saying you basically don't like him??
Personally I neither like or dislike Mitts I've never met the bloke,talked to him face to face, gone for a beer etc etc, A lot of people make assumptions bascially from reading what usually appears on these forums as:
1: Complete Bullocks 2:Lies 3: Sheet they heard from a friend of a friend. 4: Mitts own forums posts where it's so bloody obvious he either trying to get your hackles up or is showing a complete lack of indifference to your posts you don't like it because yes your views are that important how dare he ignore them.
He might be a complete tool or he maybe a complete top chap who knows, I don't . At worst I can call him a bit geeky but that's it. (Mitt's usual forum protection squad, before you start saying how dare I accuse Mitt's of being geeky, just think about it)
You don't like his views or you don't like his ideas, easy way to change it, spend the obviously insane amount of time he has creating a big alliance get them to vote you on the CSM etc etc
No I don't particulary like the influence he may or may not have or should I say I percieve him to have but as I'm not going for CSM or the leader of a large alliance I either put up or shut up as you should do. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.19 11:02:00 -
[939] - Quote
42 pages of butthurt and trolls... where is this Mittens dude, I need to shake his hand.
Butthurt faggots: grow a pair. |
Killer Gandry
Shadow of the Pain
26
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Posted - 2012.01.19 12:39:00 -
[940] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:42 pages of butthurt and trolls... where is this Mittens dude, I need to shake his hand.
Butthurt faggots: grow a pair.
Hiding behind an alt to post on the forums and call the rest as missing a pair.
Priceless.
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Hiply Rustic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.01.20 17:58:00 -
[941] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:First of all I am no Mittens fan. Far from that.
But he was elected into the current position and as such he can't and shouldn't be removed just because he isn't the representative you want. As long as he doesn't break any of the rules that would get him legally removed or quits by himself he can and will serve out his term(s).
Only way to get him into a position he doesn't want to be is by doing a better job to get more votes for someone else to represent.
Like I stated many times before and will always state in the future.
As long as the socalled pure hi sec dwellers can't unite themselves behind ONE candidate and actually take the effort to vote for that candidate you can't really claim anything. It's the sheer power of numbers that decide the distribution of chairs in the CSM.
One of the advantages that the null sec entities have is that they are somewhat forced to interact within a certain group a lot more whereas hi sec doesn't have that cohersion.
So don't blame Mittens for being chairman but blame those who had the option to vote and didn't
Someone just make a billboard out of Gandry's post, make sure everyone sees it, and be done with this.
It doesn't matter, at all, what I may think of Mitt's behaviour...as long as his actions in-game are not against the rules and he doesn't try and leverage his position out of the game as a CSM (chair or otherwise) to get preferential treatment in the game as Boss Goon.
If you want different representation then organize, campaign, and vote...make it happen. If not, hell I don't know, stfu?
If you don't vote, you lose your right to *****.
If you are not willing to put in the time and effort to identify, campaign for, and vote for a candidate who represents you then I guess it really doesn't matter all that much to you anyway.
If your views are so in the minority that you lack the support to change the way things are, then lobby for change or deal with the current state of affairs. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
246
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:06:00 -
[942] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:42 pages of butthurt and trolls... where is this Mittens dude, I need to shake his hand.
He'll be at Fanfest. You can't miss him, he'll be the incredibly smug guy.
Go to Fanfest.
Fanfest owns.
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Osabojo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:11:00 -
[943] - Quote
Red Templar wrote:Can you imagine LoTR without Sauron and his orcs? No. Eve is the same. You can no longer imagine eve without Goons and our morally bankrupt leaders. So stop whining and go kill us, and be a hero, or whatever. Isnt that what this game is about? But for **** sake, stop whining and bitching on forums. Its getting boring.
"I want to hear more about Sam! Frodo never would have been able to mine all this ice without his Sam."
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Hiply Rustic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:20:00 -
[944] - Quote
Hiply Rustic wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:First of all I am no Mittens fan. Far from that.
But he was elected into the current position and as such he can't and shouldn't be removed just because he isn't the representative you want. As long as he doesn't break any of the rules that would get him legally removed or quits by himself he can and will serve out his term(s).
Only way to get him into a position he doesn't want to be is by doing a better job to get more votes for someone else to represent.
Like I stated many times before and will always state in the future.
As long as the socalled pure hi sec dwellers can't unite themselves behind ONE candidate and actually take the effort to vote for that candidate you can't really claim anything. It's the sheer power of numbers that decide the distribution of chairs in the CSM.
One of the advantages that the null sec entities have is that they are somewhat forced to interact within a certain group a lot more whereas hi sec doesn't have that cohersion.
So don't blame Mittens for being chairman but blame those who had the option to vote and didn't Someone just make a billboard out of Gandry's post, make sure everyone sees it, and be done with this. It doesn't matter, at all, what I may think of Mitt's behaviour...so long as his actions in-game are not against the rules and he doesn't try to leverage his position out of the game as a CSM (chair or otherwise) to get preferential treatment in the game as Boss Goon. If you want different representation then organize, campaign, and vote...make it happen. If not, hell I don't know, stfu? If you don't vote, you lose your right to *****. If you are not willing to put in the time and effort to identify, campaign for, and vote for a candidate who represents you then I guess it really doesn't matter all that much to you anyway. If your views are so in the minority that you lack the support to change the way things are, then lobby for change or deal with the current state of affairs.
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Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
363
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Posted - 2012.01.23 23:10:00 -
[945] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:42 pages of butthurt and trolls... where is this Mittens dude, I need to shake his hand. He'll be at Fanfest. You can't miss him, he'll be the incredibly smug guy. Go to Fanfest. Fanfest owns. ******* expensive, I live in holland and it's still like 400 euros, screw that. Also I heard weed was illegal and hard to get |
Kaelie Onren
Pyrrhus Industries
12
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Posted - 2012.01.24 02:36:00 -
[946] - Quote
Botleten wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Botleten wrote:How dare he use a sandbox MMO as if it were a sandbox!!!! CURSE YOU EVIL GOONIES!!
Seriously dude, did you huff paint before you wrote this? Do you even realize what game you're playing? 1st in a goon troll post - awaiting many more to come... Congrats, you pointed out my corp affiliation without answering anything associated with my post. Good job showing utter intellectual weakness.
Answering what? Your statement, or your 2 ad hominem fallacies disguised as rheterical questions? |
Elane010
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.24 04:37:00 -
[947] - Quote
Everything to do with the CSM is a joke.
Rigged elections, not by CCP, but by the corporations and alliances they are in.
Have you ever talked to them? When they was running around "vote for me! vote for me!" I mailed them, asked them some questions, they replied sucking butt. Then when enough time passed, and they thought they had my votes, in a nutshell they sent hate mail. Lieing and sucking butt to get votes, then "screw you, you suck" afterwards.
I still have the mails from trebor daehdoow, and vile rat(goonswarm), kept them sense they was the worse 2 faced people I ran across during the elections.
CSM is a joke, they dont care one bit about the eve player, only how it will benefit themselves as CSM. They lie to your face and tell you one thing and do another. I am not talking about how they play the game, its who they are.
CSM is suppose to be the voice of the player, they are only voicing themselves and there interest. Useing their position to benefit themselves, their corporations, and alliances.
The entire CSM is as ******** as the DEV alliance, I mean BOB alliance useing their positions as DEVs to gain advantages.
Just get rid of the CSMs, they are a waste of time and money.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1657
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Posted - 2012.01.24 05:10:00 -
[948] - Quote
Elane010 wrote:The entire CSM is as ******** as the DEV alliance, I mean BOB alliance useing their positions as DEVs to gain advantages.
the CSM was created as a result of that
just fyi
ban forum alts from the CSM forums |
Elane010
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.24 09:20:00 -
[949] - Quote
Andski wrote:Elane010 wrote:The entire CSM is as ******** as the DEV alliance, I mean BOB alliance useing their positions as DEVs to gain advantages. the CSM was created as a result of that just fyi ban forum alts from the CSM forums
what? don't like my first character made? my oldest character? Ban forum alts? trying to figure out who I play most? Why not ask the CSMs to pull some strings for you?
Why would you want to know my most played now a days? Oh it wouldn't couldn't be forced coercion by finding me ingame. No couldn't be that. Just like no one in goonswarm was told who they had to vote for.
You only prove my point.
It was a dev gaining advantages, maybe more, now instead its players called CSM gaining the advantage from a position. They didn't fix anything. Only thing changed is they can now blame the player base for voteing, if you call it voteing.
Want the voteing fixed? make it where a person can't vote for someone that is or was in the same alliance for the last 6 months, and if there is a connection to a elected member to a alliance or a alliance member that forced coercion to vote for, lay out the banhammer.
Cheers Mate |
Signal11th
407
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Posted - 2012.01.24 09:46:00 -
[950] - Quote
Elane010 wrote:Everything to do with the CSM is a joke.
Rigged elections, not by CCP, but by the corporations and alliances they are in.
Have you ever talked to them? When they was running around "vote for me! vote for me!" I mailed them, asked them some questions, they replied sucking butt. Then when enough time passed, and they thought they had my votes, in a nutshell they sent hate mail. Lieing and sucking butt to get votes, then "screw you, you suck" afterwards.
I still have the mails from trebor daehdoow, and vile rat(goonswarm), kept them sense they was the worse 2 faced people I ran across during the elections.
CSM is a joke, they dont care one bit about the eve player, only how it will benefit themselves as CSM. They lie to your face and tell you one thing and do another. I am not talking about how they play the game, its who they are.
CSM is suppose to be the voice of the player, they are only voicing themselves and there interest. Useing their position to benefit themselves, their corporations, and alliances.
The entire CSM is as ******** as the DEV alliance, I mean BOB alliance useing their positions as DEVs to gain advantages.
Just get rid of the CSMs, they are a waste of time and money.
Unfortunately you have just described literally every politician/political form of goverment in the world. Good Luck with that, God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
545
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Posted - 2012.01.24 10:00:00 -
[951] - Quote
Elane010 wrote:Want the voteing fixed? make it where a person can't vote for someone that is or was in the same alliance for the last 6 months, and if there is a connection to a elected member to a alliance or a alliance member that forced coercion to vote for, lay out the banhammer. Wow. I thought I'd seen a lot of ******** "fix the CSM" ideas, but this takes the cake.
This is like saying "you can vote on any person in eurovision, but not the guys who's from your own country or has been in the same country as you the last 6 months!". |
Elane010
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.24 11:25:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Elane010 wrote:Want the voteing fixed? make it where a person can't vote for someone that is or was in the same alliance for the last 6 months, and if there is a connection to a elected member to a alliance or a alliance member that forced coercion to vote for, lay out the banhammer. Wow. I thought I'd seen a lot of ******** "fix the CSM" ideas, but this takes the cake. This is like saying "you can vote on any person in eurovision, but not the guys who's from your own country or has been in the same country as you the last 6 months!".
There is requirements to most elections, to be President of the USA you have to be a natural born citizen. To be governor of a state, you have to live in that state for a year. To vote in most states, you have to be a 30 day resident.
Lets put this into a metaphor, in a different perspective. Think about this.
We vote for a world leader, and the individual vote counts. Who is going to win? A Chinese man. Why? because China has the population and the dictator crooked enough to force votes. Who is going to benefit? China's economy and military might.
That is what happens in a CSM election in EVE.
Fix it? Disband the CSM, it is a waste of money and time, its a joke.
make it work? Don't allow there own alliance to vote for them, make them EARN the right to speak on the players behaves. Not by telling their alliance to vote for them.
Earn it, No free lunches!
Eurovision, if the United Kingdom told its citizens to only vote for the Britain in the contest, and not from them earning the first place, you think eurovision would allow it? |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
353
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Posted - 2012.01.24 11:39:00 -
[953] - Quote
Elane010 wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Elane010 wrote:Want the voteing fixed? make it where a person can't vote for someone that is or was in the same alliance for the last 6 months, and if there is a connection to a elected member to a alliance or a alliance member that forced coercion to vote for, lay out the banhammer. Wow. I thought I'd seen a lot of ******** "fix the CSM" ideas, but this takes the cake. This is like saying "you can vote on any person in eurovision, but not the guys who's from your own country or has been in the same country as you the last 6 months!". There is requirements to most elections, to be President of the USA you have to be a natural born citizen. To be governor of a state, you have to live in that state for a year. To vote in most states, you have to be a 30 day resident. Lets put this into a metaphor, in a different perspective. Think about this. We vote for a world leader, and the individual vote counts. Who is going to win? A Chinese man. Why? because China has the population and the dictator crooked enough to force votes. Who is going to benefit? China's economy and military might. That is what happens in a CSM election in EVE. Fix it? Disband the CSM, it is a waste of money and time, its a joke. make it work? Don't allow there own alliance to vote for them, make them EARN the right to speak on the players behaves. Not by telling their alliance to vote for them. Earn it, No free lunches! I didn't realize the 10% of the population who live in nullsec were the majority of eve's population
Oh, woe unto my terrible elementary school teachers, lying to me about how math works, and falsely claiming that 10% was no where near a majority! Just further proof of how terrible the modern education system is, I tell ya.
o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Elane010
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.24 11:57:00 -
[954] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:I didn't realize the 10% of the population who live in nullsec were the majority of eve's population Oh, woe unto my terrible elementary school teachers, lying to me about how math works, and falsely claiming that 10% was no where near a majority! Just further proof of how terrible the modern education system is, I tell ya.
Yeah I agree, your teachers wasn't to bright. Might want to try to understand what you read. I never said Null had a majority, but goonswarm has the most players in its alliance compared to other alliances.
Let me know if I am typing too fast for ya? I can spread it out more for ya.
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
545
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Posted - 2012.01.24 12:06:00 -
[955] - Quote
And there's absolutely no way to get everyone else to out-zerg us with one or more candidates. No-sirree-bob. You see, we've rigged the elections. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
353
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Posted - 2012.01.24 12:15:00 -
[956] - Quote
Elane010 wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:I didn't realize the 10% of the population who live in nullsec were the majority of eve's population Oh, woe unto my terrible elementary school teachers, lying to me about how math works, and falsely claiming that 10% was no where near a majority! Just further proof of how terrible the modern education system is, I tell ya. Yeah I agree, your teachers wasn't to bright. Might want to try to understand what you read. I never said Null had a majority, but goonswarm has the most players in its alliance compared to other alliances. Let me know if I am typing too fast for ya? I can spread it out more for ya. They weren't at the time of the vote, xXDEATHXx was. Get your facts straight.
More than that, goon votes were split in more than one direction, see how they got 2 people on, and iirc had a couple more who lost.
The problem isn't bloc voting, its voter turn out. Instead of being angry at the alliances in game who can organize themselves, be angry at the people who didn't bother to vote, and the massive number of people who ran for CSM who got 5 votes each, watering down the few available votes there were to be had against more organized groups.
The final problem is the simple fact that people live in more than one place in eve. I myself live purely in nullsec with my alts, but I have a friend in corp who has a couple highsec characters, in addition to his 3 nullsec characters. He FCs for Incursions. Do you think he voted for the more pvp oriented CSM, like I did?
The system works, its the people who don't. If you want things different, then campaign in highsec to drive up voter turnout, and to consolidate that turnout behind a few candidates. You only needed about 2k votes to get on CSM6, if you actually do more that rage on the forums, you can actually change things.
Don't be angry, and don't think you can change the system by throwing tantrums on the forums. If you want change, do it the right way and change things from within.
Wants something funny? Darius 3 got most of his votes by scamming newbies in jita. Publicly. And he bragged about it.
Get the votes, and get the behind a candidate you think would do better. CCP doesn't actually care, because scammers have a valid viewpoint in eve too.
The point of the elections is to get those who care enough about eve to take 5 minutes to do some research and click a couple buttons to select the people they feel best represent their view of eve. And all our views are equally valid.
Last year, the people who voted came to the conclusion that the 9 people we have now best represented our views. Those who didn't agree, didn't vote, or didn't organize to win.
Did you know that CSM5 was mostly people from highsec? Got nullsec nerfed horribly. So nullsec banded together to make sure it didn't happen again. Now its highsecs time to learn the same lesson. Get your people together, and make sure there isn't another CSM like this one.
If you think there is cheating, institute a vote tracker among your followers to make sure there is a certain minimum of votes actually counted(after someone votes, they go click a button/make a forum post on your site).
Guess what. Most people vote for people from our political group in eve because we know they have similar views to us, not because we are forced to(we can't be forced, btw) so your tinhattery is completely baseless.
Now waiting for your incoherent, rage filled reply o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Defecanda
Shogun's Samurai F0RCEFUL ENTRY
41
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Posted - 2012.01.24 12:24:00 -
[957] - Quote
I have not personally been affected by Goons for any large losses, but that is irrelevant. As a CSM, what better way to expose weaknesses in game dynamics than to utilize them. The OP doesn't understand this. I am glad that The Mittani is using his in-game persona and leadership to use his alliance in a way that TESTS the current state of our sandbox. I hope EVE will continue on into another decade of usage. (maybe even success).
+1 to him -1 to original post. "You FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL to jump because you are cloaked . . . ." |
Killer Gandry
Shadow of the Pain
31
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Posted - 2012.01.24 12:37:00 -
[958] - Quote
First let me clear up some missconceptions:
Those who firmly believe that the CSM should work for the entire playerbase. No they don't, won't and will never. Why? Simple, they work for the people that elected them on their platform. Not for thos who didn't vote for them because those wanted to see other platforms brought forward. If Mittens, Seleene, Trebor or whichever CSM member would be for all players just as perfect don't you think they wouldn have gotten 100% of the votes?
Just look at your own governments and try to convince yourself that the current government in your country represents the idea's and direction of each and every voter in your country. If you manage to believe that you are probably dellusional enough to believe that a CSM works for all players aswel.
Secondly there are people voicing they want certain members removed. Why? Well there have been several arguements. However not one arguement was a legal way to remove someone because not one of the CSM members has gotten his or her seat on an illegal way according to the CSM and CCP guidelines.
Personal feelings as why someone shouldn't be in a certain position have as much value as a 13 dollar bill or a 12 euro bill. If we could get people removed from office because we don't agree with them or because we don't like them our governments would look like a beehive, dozens swirling in and out every minute.
There is a legal way to get other people in the seats. It's called the Elections.
To get more votes than those whom you don't want in the current seat.
Now here the tricky part comes.
The ones in the seats have people supporting them and thus not only have to campaign themselves but lso have others to campaign for them. They already have a big amount of voters standing ready to vote for them agaijn. So you will be starting from a disadvantaged position, though in no way is that disadvantage illegal, it's just present due to circumstances prior to the next election. So you have to work hard, endure a lot of disappointments, endure slander and trolling from certain adversaries etc and still get a big enough part of the playerbase to support you. Sadly enough the pool you will be fishing from will mainly be the socalled hi-sec care(not)bears. The type of player who just wants to log in and do some carefree gaming to relax. He isn't interested in politics. His only goal is to relax a bit after a hard days work or after a long day at school.
So there you have it. That is the reality of the CSM.
So stop wasting time by demanding the things you have no right to demand and spend some time on stuff that would actually make your demands become a fact. |
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids Pleasure Syndicate
133
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Posted - 2012.01.24 12:54:00 -
[959] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:
Mittani 1 - Eve Players 0
So we shall see what happens next I guess. I hope CCP takes this very seriously going forward as this did get much support from many players and I would personally like to thank you guys for that support. Given there has been unrest about the current CSM by many other players, CCP must do something. I personally not sure if i am happy playing a game where corruption and vote rigging is rife. The current voting system is open to abuse and is being abused. Having 2000+ and 3000+ alts of YOUR OWN people voting for you guarantees your in the CSM. This is the normal world is called vote rigging. Also a CSM that feels they only represent their own voters (their alliance) and not the entire playerbase is a problem, and this is not what CSM was about.
My personal opinion is how can CCP have someone has chair, that leads an alliance wheres its very essence is about corruption, misery to others, scamming new players (when we need to keep new players), making people in.out of game miserable, and takes the game so seriously, they DDOS other sites, is for the 'greater good' is beyond me and infact very bad for eve.
Isn't the CSM member supposed to represent the interests of his voters rather than everyone's interests? If goons happen to have more accounts that doesn't mean multi-account users should be counted as one. (Voting from alts on the same account is disallowed in CSM). I don't see anything wrong here other than the fact that voting is much better coordinated in big alliances (ok that's wrong) and average uncoordinated player base doesn't get alliance mail saying vote for X, even though it might be in their interests. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
354
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Posted - 2012.01.24 13:29:00 -
[960] - Quote
Dream Five wrote:I don't see anything wrong here other than the fact that voting is much better coordinated in big alliances (ok that's wrong) Why is being organized wrong? o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
546
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Posted - 2012.01.24 13:31:00 -
[961] - Quote
I'd say being disorganized and then whining about it is worse. |
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids Pleasure Syndicate
133
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Posted - 2012.01.24 13:46:00 -
[962] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Dream Five wrote:I don't see anything wrong here other than the fact that voting is much better coordinated in big alliances (ok that's wrong) Why is being organized wrong?
I suspect fractured hisec people, newbies and smaller losec alliances have their interests they'd want to be represented, but are not in a huge alliance that centralizes their interests with the same power as big nullsec alliances. The biggest thing here is Alliance Mail, where you send one mail and get 3k votes. That's a little unfair and also is not in CCP's or majority's interests since (i suspect) the current election process simply does not represent the majority vote. |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
433
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:15:00 -
[963] - Quote
Elane010 wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:I didn't realize the 10% of the population who live in nullsec were the majority of eve's population Oh, woe unto my terrible elementary school teachers, lying to me about how math works, and falsely claiming that 10% was no where near a majority! Just further proof of how terrible the modern education system is, I tell ya. Yeah I agree, your teachers wasn't to bright. Might want to try to understand what you read. I never said Null had a majority, but goonswarm has the most players in its alliance compared to other alliances. Let me know if I am typing too fast for ya? I can spread it out more for ya.
Tallians' math teacher probably didn't do him any favors, but your ENGLISH teacher flat out screwed you. We'll take you more seriously when you learn how to spell correctly. You want to get a coherent thought out, learn to spell and use proper sentence structures. Just sayin'. If you want to bash someone on C&P, you had better bring your A game, cuz right now you're pulling a strong C. Just sayin' Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Killer Gandry
Shadow of the Pain
31
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Posted - 2012.01.24 15:54:00 -
[964] - Quote
Mortis vonShadow wrote: Tallians' math teacher probably didn't do him any favors, but your ENGLISH teacher flat out screwed you. We'll take you more seriously when you learn how to spell correctly.
Attacking someone on his inability to type flawless english is a sign of weakness. Instead you should discuss the matter at hand. The person you attack on their flawed ability to express themselves in a "maybe for them foreign language' might be more fluent in his or her own language and would beat you to death with it if you were able to go into discussion with them in their native language.
I bet if I were to discuss in my own language and you would have to google your replies I could burn you all over your mistakes.
So please try to not be a teacher in language untill you learned yourself to talk several languages flawless. Untill then stay on topic if you can.
Mortis vonShadow wrote: cuz right now you're pulling a strong C. Just sayin'.
Or do you want people to look at that part and talk about the propper useage of the english language aswel? |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.01.24 17:07:00 -
[965] - Quote
So much butthurt in a single thread... We need more tear farmers! |
Killer Gandry
Shadow of the Pain
32
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:45:00 -
[966] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:So much butthurt in a single thread... We need more tear farmers!
Let's see. You talk about balls, about butthurt etc...
Do you want to confess to something? Or perhaps show us on this doll where teh nasty man touched you?
Well. I have balls because I post with my main. You on the other hand prove that you lack balls. I am not butthurt because I don't feel the need to hide behind an alt to troll and flame. You on the other hand seem to have developed more hemeroids than anyone else.
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
355
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:49:00 -
[967] - Quote
Mortis vonShadow wrote:Elane010 wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:I didn't realize the 10% of the population who live in nullsec were the majority of eve's population Oh, woe unto my terrible elementary school teachers, lying to me about how math works, and falsely claiming that 10% was no where near a majority! Just further proof of how terrible the modern education system is, I tell ya. Yeah I agree, your teachers wasn't to bright. Might want to try to understand what you read. I never said Null had a majority, but goonswarm has the most players in its alliance compared to other alliances. Let me know if I am typing too fast for ya? I can spread it out more for ya. Tallians' math teacher probably didn't do him any favors, but your ENGLISH teacher flat out screwed you. We'll take you more seriously when you learn how to spell correctly. You want to get a coherent thought out, learn to spell and use proper sentence structures. Just sayin'. If you want to bash someone on C&P, you had better bring your A game, cuz right now you're pulling a strong C. Just sayin'
Thanks for the defense, but this isn't C&P. Its Jita Park o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
435
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:54:00 -
[968] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Thanks for the defense, but this isn't C&P. Its Jita Park
Its all good, I stand by those that can think for themselves and not get all emotional because someone upset the apple cart. You're a good egg, so I got your back.
The others naysayers are just scrubs. Just sayin'. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
355
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:59:00 -
[969] - Quote
Mortis vonShadow wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Thanks for the defense, but this isn't C&P. Its Jita Park Its all good, I stand by those that can think for themselves and not get all emotional because someone upset the apple cart. You're a good egg, so I got your back. The others naysayers are just scrubs. Just sayin'. I actually understand the point. I just disagree. Dream Five up there thinks that people who organize to have a say have an unfair advantage over those who can't be bothered or just don't understand the political nature of this game.
Namely, that reputation is EVERYTHING in New Eden, and the more you have, the more influence you have over the game.
Perhaps some people should ask Chribba why he doesn't run. Pretty sure he would be elected, but afaik he will not volunteer. o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
209
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Posted - 2012.01.24 22:42:00 -
[970] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:I didn't realize the 10% of the population who live in nullsec were the majority of eve's population Oh, woe unto my terrible elementary school teachers, lying to me about how math works, and falsely claiming that 10% was no where near a majority! Just further proof of how terrible the modern education system is, I tell ya.
Haha.
The only data we have on % of players in nullsec vs highsec is character-based. As it stands, 67% of characters with SP>5m are located in highsec. However, using a character based metric is misleading, most if not all players keep multiple characters in highsec, regardless of where they play. I'm sure CCP has a number linked to accounts or even credit cards with a better picture of population breakdown.
Given that the last 6 months they've been running around trying to put out fires and appease the non-highsec crowd, and given that both faction warfare and sov-warfare are two major tasks on their to-do list I think it's pretty clear just how the population is actually broken down.
But please continue running around thinking that CCP is just willfully neglecting their largest revenue driver.
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Signal11th
409
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Posted - 2012.01.25 08:06:00 -
[971] - Quote
Gotta love EVE the only game where the more organized you are the more people hate you and think you're up to no good.
The fact that some of the CSM have access to a ready 1000+ votes is moot, they have probably worked fairly hard to get to that position.
As with all things in life there are easy answers to problems, you just have to get off your a rse stop complaining and get things done. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Mintrolio
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
60
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Posted - 2012.01.28 07:33:00 -
[972] - Quote
CONFRIMIGN ALL YOU LIKES IN PAOST NEED VOTIGN FUR ME.
ALSO HEAR: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12443&find=unread
ALSO DOWN WITH MITANI
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
239
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Posted - 2012.02.01 19:55:00 -
[973] - Quote
You are a strong candidate mintrolio, your goat can carry a heavy load more then most CSM are able to. Also I trust your goat to put a strong hoof down when hilmar and CCP gang want to go to far.
And when sadly your goat cannot talk or communicate, your excellent posts will carry the message forward. Threads like this generally result in anything positive.
Locked. |
Little Brat
The Mighty
0
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Posted - 2012.02.16 04:13:00 -
[974] - Quote
Have spent a couple of days now poring over the CSM election process, readings everybody's thoughts,views. This post about getting rid of CSM who in game scams and plays darkly. The posters main complaint is that the player elected to a CSM position gets a flag on their charachter portrait that says "CSM", which she believes to be a badge of honor and rerspect. She believes the player wearing the badge is using it to lure unsuspecting players into a scam. The simple answer is remove the flag from a players portrait. What possible purpose does it serve? |
Mu'ad Diib
The Mighty
35
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Posted - 2012.02.16 04:40:00 -
[975] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote: ... not sure if i am happy playing a game where corruption and vote rigging is rife. The current voting system is open to abuse and is being abused. Having 2000+ and 3000+ alts of YOUR OWN people voting for you guarantees your in the CSM. This is the normal world is called vote rigging. Also a CSM that feels they only represent their own voters (their alliance) and not the entire playerbase is a problem, and this is not what CSM was about. Your feelings on this very much echo my own.
I think ultimately the democratic representation of player views should be about truth, honesty and integrity. Sadly with some of the massive block voting that seems to go on this is not the case. The only way that this will change however is for player to take on the block vote and this can only be achieved by the election of truly independent candidates. I definitely fall into this category.
If you, or anyone else who finds the sectarian block vote unacceptable felt able to support me with a 'like' for my election post, I'd be very grateful. I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
179
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Posted - 2012.02.16 04:41:00 -
[976] - Quote
To be honest irrespective of a democratic process afforded to the CSM I personally believe that Punktani is offfering no respect to principles of what democracy actually means. Nor is he in anyway fullfilling the outlined obligations as set out in the CSM guidelines. His very selfish interest reflects this of which he is farily transparent about. I would not confuse this with honesty about a stance however, just that he is manipulating and working a certain stance for his own ends.
And then we get the ridiculous claims that he is soley responsible in driving CCP development from his "bar bill".
He also supports gaming stances that are clearly against CCP guidelines (e.g. griefing, Botting for his own alliance).
He also prefers to apply his own juvenille use of expletives (some disfavouring disadvantaged groups) in communication with others and generally shows little respect to other players or their interests when in conflict with his own.
He works for a lack of transparency on issues and affords him self the lack of accountability in his position.
And somehow CCP sees it as fitting to retain this individual as an "ambassador" for the game.
Other than having an alliance capable of getting the votes, there are really no admirable qualities. His continual self acclaimed ego confusing "manipulation" with real leadership qualities is just hilarious in my view and shows a lack of understanding towards real social empowerment.
As such to some extent I do wonder why CCP affords to put up with this influence, as for me it reflects badly on them that they entertain some of the stupid behavoural aspects when representing EvE as a council member.
I have also thought that it might be due to the fact that CCP don't want the drama that could be engulfed on the community if they did take steps to correct this influence. Interestingly I'm unsure what the outcome would be from that, and to some extent I would suspect the income from Goons is still very relevant to them. Should CCP take the view to remove him I would not see it as a dismissal of "freedom of expression" as the Mittani gives no respect to the meaning of this unless it coincides with his own stance. So personally if a ceratin portion of the community is offending the game principles then It might be more healthy in the long run to remove it.
To be honest if the head of the Goons were to be "lanced" like a boil from the face of EvE politics I would imagine there might be uproar for a short term, but I'd imagine a number of the Goons and affliates would still continue to play and press for a similar candidate to further the stupidity. So ultimatley it would be ineffective if the behavoural aspects are not corrected. As a result it might be be a case of "better the devil you know" and trying to accomodate.
There is of course one useful way to remove unwanted interests from the Council. Encourage voting in alternative candidacies and try to remove apathy and ignorance. How you would in any way do this within the Goon community is a different matter. But I think if you want to achieve something you have to work towards it in a number of different platforms. And simply don't give up due to intolerance or predjudice.
"All griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems." |
Woo Glin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
390
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Posted - 2012.02.16 04:57:00 -
[977] - Quote
He's going to get re-elected and there's quite literally nothing you can do about it.
Sorry about your representation. :(((( |
Mu'ad Diib
The Mighty
35
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Posted - 2012.02.16 05:04:00 -
[978] - Quote
Little Brat wrote:... The posters main complaint is that the player elected to a CSM position gets a flag on their charachter portrait that says "CSM", which she believes to be a badge of honor and rerspect. She believes the player wearing the badge is using it to lure unsuspecting players into a scam. The simple answer is remove the flag from a players portrait. What possible purpose does it serve? I think Little Brat makes a very good point here. Personally, I think that there are pros and cons for both retaining it and for removing it.
My feeling is that the CSM tag is good from the point of view that it makes members of the CSM identifiable to all other players. If I get voted in, (which would be a great honour) then I would want to be identifiably accessible to the maximum number of players so that I can act as a conduit for their views. I also realise that by being readily identifiable in this way, other players have an absolute right to expect, from me, or for that matter any representative of the CSM, the highest and most ethical in game and RL behaviour.
If a member of the CSM tacitly supports, either publicly or covertly, behaviour or gaming stances that are against CCP guidelines there should be some kind of proper response to this and ultimately this should include, for serious abuse of office immediate removal from office.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. |
Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.02.16 05:06:00 -
[979] - Quote
Mu'ad Diib wrote:[quote=Little Brat] [i]. I also realise that by being readily identifiable in this way, other players have an absolute right to expect, from me, or for that matter any representative of the CSM, the highest and most ethical in game and RL behaviour.
Why? |
Mu'ad Diib
The Mighty
35
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Posted - 2012.02.16 05:09:00 -
[980] - Quote
Woo Glin wrote:He's going to get re-elected and there's quite literally nothing you can do about it. You're right that this may be a likely scenario due to the amount of support that he has, however what you can do is support and vote for independent candidates like myself who are committed to behaving with integrity.
Ultimately the power is truly in our own hands on this one. If the collective of players wants a better CSM we just have to support better candidates. I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. |
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Mu'ad Diib
The Mighty
35
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Posted - 2012.02.16 05:20:00 -
[981] - Quote
Doctor Eezee wrote:Mu'ad Diib wrote:[quote=Little Brat] [i]. I also realise that by being readily identifiable in this way, other players have an absolute right to expect, from me, or for that matter any representative of the CSM, the highest and most ethical in game and RL behaviour. Why? Firstly, as a democratically elected representative there is a lot of responsibility on you to have the best interest of the people who gave you a mandate at heart and to act in a way that means that you are respected by others, so that in turn what you say is respected (as this will enable your constituency's views to be properly represented).
Secondly, since you are a democratically elected representative it's my feeling that you should act in a way that is consummate with the responsibility that you hold. Acting in a way that is unethical or that lacks integrity makes anything that you advance as a view slightly suspect. Are they raising this because they really care? Or is this another ploy?
Put simply, to be respected I think you have to respect others. I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. |
OrangeRed
Viziam Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.02.16 05:25:00 -
[982] - Quote
Anybody Nobody but Mittani! |
Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.02.16 05:30:00 -
[983] - Quote
Mu'ad Diib wrote:Doctor Eezee wrote:Mu'ad Diib wrote:[quote=Little Brat] [i]. I also realise that by being readily identifiable in this way, other players have an absolute right to expect, from me, or for that matter any representative of the CSM, the highest and most ethical in game and RL behaviour. Why? Firstly, as a democratically elected representative there is a lot of responsibility on you to have the best interest of the people who gave you a mandate at heart and to act in a way that means that you are respected by others, so that in turn what you say is respected (as this will enable your constituency's views to be properly represented). Secondly, since you are a democratically elected representative it's my feeling that you should act in a way that is consummate with the responsibility that you hold. Acting in a way that is unethical or that lacks integrity makes anything that you advance as a view slightly suspect. Are they raising this because they really care? Or is this another ploy? Put simply, to be respected I think you have to respect others.
I don't really think so. Clinton cheated on his wife, but was probably the best president in recent times. I couldn't care less about the personal lifes of politicians. I don't care if you order 10 whores to your house every night, as long as you do your job properly. |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
180
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Posted - 2012.02.16 05:39:00 -
[984] - Quote
Doctor Eezee wrote:Mu'ad Diib wrote:Doctor Eezee wrote:Mu'ad Diib wrote:[quote=Little Brat] [i]. I also realise that by being readily identifiable in this way, other players have an absolute right to expect, from me, or for that matter any representative of the CSM, the highest and most ethical in game and RL behaviour. Why? Firstly, as a democratically elected representative there is a lot of responsibility on you to have the best interest of the people who gave you a mandate at heart and to act in a way that means that you are respected by others, so that in turn what you say is respected (as this will enable your constituency's views to be properly represented). Secondly, since you are a democratically elected representative it's my feeling that you should act in a way that is consummate with the responsibility that you hold. Acting in a way that is unethical or that lacks integrity makes anything that you advance as a view slightly suspect. Are they raising this because they really care? Or is this another ploy? Put simply, to be respected I think you have to respect others. I don't really think so. Clinton cheated on his wife, but was probably the best president in recent times. I couldn't care less about the personal lifes of politicians. I don't care if you order 10 whores to your house every night, as long as you do your job properly.
Actually that argument is just equatting similary to what Punktani does in game as player to what he does when operating in the capacity of a council member. As such I think you are simply misconstruing that Mu'ad is talking about his political integrity as a Council member.
"All griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems." |
Scevvin
Tri-gun Psychotic Tendencies.
4
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Posted - 2012.02.16 05:53:00 -
[985] - Quote
First off, "Just Another Toon," you realize the irony of calling out an election of alt votes from an alt, right?
Secondly, I would agree with you about the fact of his scamming and ganking are grounds of dismissal, if he were to push CCP to develop the game to make those mechanics easier and more widespread. As I see it, nothing of what he has proposed or done, as well as the rest of the CSM, have advocated or even hinted at providing gankers and scamming an easier way to carry about. Just because you probably got scammed by some goons does not mean you come and wtfrage. Hopefully you are familiar with the term "HTFU;" if not, google is your friend. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
384
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Posted - 2012.02.16 05:57:00 -
[986] - Quote
This thread still lives? And all because one person won't drop it I see.
At this point there is only one obvious reason for it.
He Mad Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Mu'ad Diib
The Mighty
41
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Posted - 2012.02.16 05:59:00 -
[987] - Quote
Doctor Eezee wrote:I don't care if you order 10 whores to your house every night, as long as you do your job properly. For me on a fundamental level it's about respect for the people who place their trust in me.
You made the point that it's about doing your job properly. You're absolutely right. However if someone acts unethically or without integrity, then how can you trust them to act ethically and with integrity when advancing your views at the CSM? The fact is that you can't.
I have a strong belief in the fact that if your life, (either within Eve or in RL) or your psyche generally is full of dark or negative influences and behaviours, some of this inevitably makes it through into other areas of your existence. Personally I act within the game in an ethical and responsible way. This mirrors how I live my life generally and how I am as a RL individual. I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
181
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Posted - 2012.02.16 06:03:00 -
[988] - Quote
Scevvin wrote:First off, "Just Another Toon," you realize the irony of calling out an election of alt votes from an alt, right?
Secondly, I would agree with you about the fact of his scamming and ganking are grounds of dismissal, if he were to push CCP to develop the game to make those mechanics easier and more widespread. As I see it, nothing of what he has proposed or done, as well as the rest of the CSM, have advocated or even hinted at providing gankers and scamming an easier way to carry about. Just because you probably got scammed by some goons does not mean you come and wtfrage. Hopefully you are familiar with the term "HTFU;" if not, google is your friend.
In defence of my own statements:
Personally I said that it was his griefing and tolerance of botting in his own alliance that were at fault and reprehensable. I did not mention anything about valid game mechanics such as ganking or scamming.
"All griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems." |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.02.16 06:07:00 -
[989] - Quote
Mu'ad Diib wrote:Doctor Eezee wrote:I don't care if you order 10 whores to your house every night, as long as you do your job properly. For me on a fundamental level it's about respect for the people who place their trust in me. You made the point that it's about doing your job properly. You're absolutely right. However if someone acts unethically or without integrity, then how can you trust them to act ethically and with integrity when advancing your views at the CSM? The fact is that you can't..
The only "fact" is that you're unable to separate an in-game persona from a real, actual person. That's far more unhealthy and frightening than anything. |
Mu'ad Diib
The Mighty
44
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Posted - 2012.02.16 07:02:00 -
[990] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:The only "fact" is that you're unable to separate an in-game persona from a real, actual person. That's far more unhealthy and frightening than anything. With respect, that's not really the point I was making. I'm very clear about the difference. However what I was trying to say was that if someone plays the role within the game in an unethical way, how can be trusted to act ethically as part of the CSM?
In terms of the difference between RL and the game, what I would say is that for someone to feel that unethical game play is acceptable, some aspect of their RL personality drives this, to a extent.
The degree of this extent is the issue that we might disagree on. I'd happily concede that it might be as little as 5% or even 1% but the fact is when actors assume roles in films and theatre in RL, some aspect of them is present within the role. I feel this is probably also true in EVE. This is the point I was trying to get across.
I hope that makes it clearer. I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. |
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Userkare
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
55
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Posted - 2012.02.16 09:23:00 -
[991] - Quote
Nariya Kentaya wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:Just Another Toon wrote: But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.
I ran for CSM on a platform of explicitly being a manipulative bastard, because it takes someone like me to actually bring CCP around to reason. So far, so good! Mittani, thats all well and good, but you should not be abusing your position to scam people and all the other stuff you stand for. Simple. AND AGAIN, we say, why would you trust ANYONE just because they are in a position of political "power"? just cause Obama is the president doesn't mean ill lend him my credit card, social security number, and car keys. he scammed people before he was CSM, scammed people as CSM, and gosh-darnit he will scam people after hes been CSM, anyone foolish enough to expect specific virtues or behaviours from someone simply on the basis of a title deserves to lose what they got.
Scamming in game is an impotent part of Eve that CCP has used in marketing and has explicitly endorsed on many occasions. It has no barring on someones trustworthiness out of game. |
Roime
UNFRL Fleet Operations CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
211
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Posted - 2012.02.16 09:30:00 -
[992] - Quote
Oh so much moaning and whining, so little to back it up! OP had 0 subject matter.
Look at where EVE is now, we get new great things served at a steady pace since the absolutely wonderful expansion called Crucible, devs are happy, bittervets trickle back in, future looks bright - and CSM6 did play their part in making this happen.
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Mintrolio
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
297
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Posted - 2012.02.16 09:43:00 -
[993] - Quote
CONFRIMGIN PLESE LETTIGN POAST DYIGN NOW.
ALSO IF PEEPOL STIL HAFIGN ISSU HEAR, PLESE JUST VOTIGN MINTROLIO.
KEEP UP GOOD POASTIGN (JUST IN OTHRE POAST) ! MINTROLIO FUR CSM7 |
Boris Lachenkov
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
18
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Posted - 2012.02.16 09:44:00 -
[994] - Quote
Confirming I will run for CSM 8 to run against Mintrolio's chairmanship.
I will totally not abuse my CSM powers to exchange NDA information for ashimmus and bhaalgorns.
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5083
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Posted - 2012.02.16 11:15:00 -
[995] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:To be honest irrespective of a democratic process afforded to the CSM I personally believe that Punktani is offfering no respect to principles of what democracy actually means. Nor is he in anyway fullfilling the outlined obligations as set out in the CSM guidelines. His very selfish interest reflects this of which he is farily transparent about. I would not confuse this with honesty about a stance however, just that he is manipulating and working a certain stance for his own ends.
And then we get the ridiculous claims that he is soley responsible in driving CCP development from his "bar bill".
He also supports gaming stances that are clearly against CCP guidelines (e.g. griefing, Botting for his own alliance).
He also prefers to apply his own juvenille use of expletives (some disfavouring disadvantaged groups) in communication with others and generally shows little respect to other players or their interests when in conflict with his own.
He works for a lack of transparency on issues and affords him self the lack of accountability in his position.
And somehow CCP sees it as fitting to retain this individual as an "ambassador" for the game.
Other than having an alliance capable of getting the votes, there are really no admirable qualities. His continual self acclaimed ego confusing "manipulation" with real leadership qualities is just hilarious in my view and shows a lack of understanding towards real social empowerment.
As such to some extent I do wonder why CCP affords to put up with this influence, as for me it reflects badly on them that they entertain some of the stupid behavoural aspects when representing EvE as a council member.
I have also thought that it might be due to the fact that CCP don't want the drama that could be engulfed on the community if they did take steps to correct this influence. Interestingly I'm unsure what the outcome would be from that, and to some extent I would suspect the income from Goons is still very relevant to them. Should CCP take the view to remove him I would not see it as a dismissal of "freedom of expression" as the Mittani gives no respect to the meaning of this unless it coincides with his own stance. So personally if a ceratin portion of the community is offending the game principles then It might be more healthy in the long run to remove it.
To be honest if the head of the Goons were to be "lanced" like a boil from the face of EvE politics I would imagine there might be uproar for a short term, but I'd imagine a number of the Goons and affliates would still continue to play and press for a similar candidate to further the stupidity. So ultimatley it would be ineffective if the behavoural aspects are not corrected. As a result it might be be a case of "better the devil you know" and trying to accomodate.
There is of course one useful way to remove unwanted interests from the Council. Encourage voting in alternative candidacies and try to remove apathy and ignorance. How you would in any way do this within the Goon community is a different matter. But I think if you want to achieve something you have to work towards it in a number of different platforms. And simply don't give up due to intolerance or predjudice.
you're mad that i told you to get your carebear ass out of my thread
awesome The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5083
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Posted - 2012.02.16 11:17:00 -
[996] - Quote
anyhoo what i learned from this thread is that newbie corp alts are still absolutely furious about me, as are 'csm candidates who can't even get 100 likes and post replies to themselves with their own alts'
so far, so good The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
744
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Posted - 2012.02.16 12:09:00 -
[997] - Quote
Quote:And somehow CCP sees it as fitting to retain this individual as an "ambassador" for the game.
What now.
I always thought our role was to be an elected voice of the players to CCP. Thus the whole, you know, voting thing.
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Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
190
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Posted - 2012.02.16 12:10:00 -
[998] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:anyhoo what i learned from this thread is that newbie corp alts are still absolutely furious about me, as are 'csm candidates who can't even get 100 likes and post replies to themselves with their own alts'
so far, so good
You put too much stock in your own abilities. My comments above are a calm reflection of how your contribution or lack of it is effecting EvE.
If you think one post is the essence or grounds for the posting then it only re-inforces your delussions and capabilities to manipulate sincere meaning or deny many similar posts of concious that also hold a similar view. I have not hidden my contempt to your attitude and yet you seem in no way to offer any culpability for your poor influence to EvE.
For which your place on the CCP council could be better given to someone who is more deserving to better help the community and CCP in making EvE a better game for everyone and expanding those interests beyond a "blinkered" view of what EvE is. As such this retracted neglet to interests is likley helping the stagnation of what EvE is or could be.
You don't have to like this view but you will have to accept it as a valid opinion that I stand by.
"All griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems." |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
190
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Posted - 2012.02.16 12:14:00 -
[999] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:Quote:And somehow CCP sees it as fitting to retain this individual as an "ambassador" for the game. What now. I always thought our role was to be an elected voice of the players to CCP. Thus the whole, you know, voting thing.
Manipulate post content much?
Grumpy Owly wrote:There is of course one useful way to remove unwanted interests from the Council. Encourage voting in alternative candidacies and try to remove apathy and ignorance. How you would in any way do this within the Goon community is a different matter. But I think if you want to achieve something you have to work towards it in a number of different platforms. And simply don't give up due to intolerance or predjudice.
"All griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems." |
Boris Lachenkov
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
18
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Posted - 2012.02.16 12:38:00 -
[1000] - Quote
Grumpy Owl wrote:your contribution or lack of it is effecting EvE.
I went through the list of Crucible features for you and managed to find all of the ones that were directly related to null-sec alliances. I started typing them all out, in fact, but 36 lines into it I thought I'd leave it to be honest and focus on these ones.
Time Dilation New Tech 2 Modules Anaomlies Revisited Starbase Management Remote Unrent Office Friend JBs Cap ship balancing Doomsday/Cyno Effects JB Ui enchancements So after a list of about 45-50+ features for the new expansion, these are the ones I can see having a direct influence on the gameplay in null-sec. Man, there's a ton of them isn't there. From a null-sec point of view these changes are immense, they have been very well received from our community.
But if your entire point is that Mittani hasn't done anything whatsoever, then there isn't a way to convince you without breaking any sort of NDA that CCP has in place. So please refrain from bringing up such an unassailable position based on opinion when there is an actual discussion attempting to take place.
Cheers,
Boris. |
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
393
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Posted - 2012.02.16 13:08:00 -
[1001] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Vile rat wrote:Quote:And somehow CCP sees it as fitting to retain this individual as an "ambassador" for the game. What now. I always thought our role was to be an elected voice of the players to CCP. Thus the whole, you know, voting thing. Manipulate post content much? Grumpy Owly wrote:There is of course one useful way to remove unwanted interests from the Council. Encourage voting in alternative candidacies and try to remove apathy and ignorance. How you would in any way do this within the Goon community is a different matter. But I think if you want to achieve something you have to work towards it in a number of different platforms. And simply don't give up due to intolerance or predjudice.
Well not gonna say much on yours and vile rats arguments, but he is stepping down as CSM. So what you want of other CSM alternives will be easier to get. Maybe you should thank him for that, since in a way he is helping you out by stepping down.
The main thing is that CCP runs this game, not in a way the CSM. CCP allowed everything the goons did, and even CCP Allows scamming and other things the goons do as well as other players do. CCP is also taking on the bots, so no reason to go to CSM for that.
I know you guys want a CSM that won't allow bots in alliances as well as them not scamming and interdicting ice. But then you wouldn't even elect CCP then.
CCP runs this game and allows those things to happen, so before whining to the CSM about this you should first whine to CCP about them or think about wether to play this game or not. The cute CCP devs are the main culprites in this, they are the river mouth where all this CSM filth flows from. Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5091
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Posted - 2012.02.16 13:13:00 -
[1002] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wanted to keep on altposting and hiding his identity while whining about me, but he screwed up and posted this thread with his main.
Venus Rinah, Paladin Philanthropists, a 2-man corp of no consequence whatsoever.
adorable The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2096
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Posted - 2012.02.16 13:49:00 -
[1003] - Quote
apparently if you post with the wrong character the mods will remove the thread for you? :confused:
http://eve-search.com/thread/70633-1 yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7
got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Venus Rinah
Paladin Philanthropists
54
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Posted - 2012.02.16 13:59:00 -
[1004] - Quote
Thank you for the kind words, perhaps we can go for a drink sometime?
And despite the fact I did ask for the thread to be deleted, I didn't get a chance to continue with it unfortunatley hence why it is now missing in WH 404. I did try to retain it and continue, but seems my initial request for anonymity took precidence.
Needless to say this is Grumpy's main and actually I find it quite liberating to step into the open about it, your astute observation to my corp is pretty much the reason why I wanted to afford possibilities of drama with the use of an alias. Pretty pointless now that the "cat it out of the bag" anyhow.
Grumpy will continue to post due to the interests he is currently supporting, but I will go on record as my main that yes, Grumpy Owly, is in fact my alias. |
Boris Lachenkov
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
19
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Posted - 2012.02.16 14:03:00 -
[1005] - Quote
Now that you've done mostly everyone else has been doing for the past 45 pages, do you care to continue your argument against the Mittani?
Or will you stop now that we have your children and wife, we know where you live and will be making your home systems "Hot drop friendly" zones for the rest of the week? |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
393
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Posted - 2012.02.16 14:13:00 -
[1006] - Quote
Now I understand why someone made the wake up next to mittani thread, With you finding people who are of no consequence adorable. I usually went for people with low self-esteem. Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
Boris Lachenkov
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
19
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Posted - 2012.02.16 14:16:00 -
[1007] - Quote
Venus Rinah wrote:
lol, I wouldn't be suprised. Be interesting if in fact you do elect to show that democracy is about violence.
To answer the question though, I do support the views I hold.
My apologies, unfortunately the British sarcasm is usually hard to detect and the way that forums work makes it doubly so. I will attempt to either mark my posts in sarcasm markers or just stop doing it all together, which will be the hardest thing to do :(
Well then, let's move on with our lives. I'm sure CCP have noted your protest. |
Venus Rinah
Paladin Philanthropists
54
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Posted - 2012.02.16 14:31:00 -
[1008] - Quote
Boris Lachenkov wrote:Grumpy Owl wrote:your contribution or lack of it is effecting EvE. I went through the list of Crucible features for you and managed to find all of the ones that were directly related to null-sec alliances. I started typing them all out, in fact, but 36 lines into it I thought I'd leave it to be honest and focus on these ones. Time Dilation New Tech 2 Modules Anaomlies Revisited Starbase Management Remote Unrent Office Friend JBs Cap ship balancing Doomsday/Cyno Effects JB Ui enchancements So after a list of about 45-50+ features for the new expansion, these are the ones I can see having a direct influence on the gameplay in null-sec. Man, there's a ton of them isn't there. From a null-sec point of view these changes are immense, they have been very well received from our community. But if your entire point is that Mittani hasn't done anything whatsoever, then there isn't a way to convince you without breaking any sort of NDA that CCP has in place. So please refrain from bringing up such an unassailable position based on opinion when there is an actual discussion attempting to take place. Cheers, Boris.
I think you missed the subtley of Grumpy's (my) post. By virtue of the fact that you can see and have quoted them to be null sec interests. You have therefore helped in identifying the neglet then afforded to other aspects of the game not of interest.
You only have to look at the CSM minutes in brief to see that null gets a focus, even its own chapter in the most recent versions. Whereas if you took the time to read the other points, they are predominantly all user interests or have a focus supporting the interests of certain null sec alliances.
As such the representation afforded is blinkered to self interest, which The Mittani has gone on record is his stance. It is this position of neglet to the other players that is what I'm suggesting is a clear issue.
I have a view that "passions" IG may be obviosuly directing his effectiveness on the Council as a result.
This is his view, that he represents those interests, I have an alternative view that you try to represent all and accomodate numerous playstyles to afford the benefit of EvE as a council member. Which is achievable without him having to endanger his own position IG. If anything having this obvious stance simply supports the argument of selfish interest and neglet. |
Venus Rinah
Paladin Philanthropists
54
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Posted - 2012.02.16 14:35:00 -
[1009] - Quote
Boris Lachenkov wrote:Venus Rinah wrote:
lol, I wouldn't be suprised. Be interesting if in fact you do elect to show that democracy is about violence.
To answer the question though, I do support the views I hold.
My apologies, unfortunately the British sarcasm is usually hard to detect and the way that forums work makes it doubly so. I will attempt to either mark my posts in sarcasm markers or just stop doing it all together, which will be the hardest thing to do :( Well then, let's move on with our lives. I'm sure CCP have noted your protest.
touche, encore, tally ho .....
I will similarly have to mark my own attempts at sarcasm it seems.
Maybe the forum should have a new editing button to afford a different font style or colour associated to satire? |
Boris Lachenkov
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
19
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Posted - 2012.02.16 15:12:00 -
[1010] - Quote
That's kind of a weird argument. Yes, I can see that these changes would impact in some way onto a null-sec alliance. Out of a list of 50 other changes that affect other parts of the game and other people. I can go down the list and give you the ones that would impact on high-sec and low-sec users if you'd like. I'm sure I can drum out a good couple.
Would you be happier if low-sec had it's own header for discussion pieces? I can see the logic behind it, that before hand null-sec didn't have any minute meetings header of it's own and that it is because of Mittani that such things happened. Sadly I can't see what affiliations CSM 5 had in terms of null-sec and things, I'll have a more detailed look when I get back from work.
Another good point that Mittani makes in his candidate post:
The Mittani wrote:The title has tremendous value, even though it officially has no power at all - a concept which you will immediately understand if you have any political intelligence.
So the chairman has no real power within the CSM, he cannot Vito or perform any other action you might assume from a chairman of a council. Yet the only 'power' it holds is through the name, the other CSMs could vote against any of his actions that they thought were wrong. Not forgetting that CCP don't bend over for the CSM, they never have done and never will. If CSM 8 (Which I'll be chairing, totally), tells CCP that high-sec needs a new orca style ship without any evidence or provocation then nothing will happen. Oddly, The Mittani does not hold all the balls.
Your view is not alternate at all, most if not all of the people who vote hold the view that the CSM should be able to talk about and discuss views outside of their particular experiences. However at the same time, surely if they have had 1000+ battles in drakes and can attest to, as well as direct CCP to data regarding, their overpoweredness then why shouldn't he?
Well, now that we both know we are sarcastic I hope we can look out for sarcasm in these posts :p |
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5103
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Posted - 2012.02.16 15:13:00 -
[1011] - Quote
hisec nobody in 2-man corp who started playing in november 2011 has views on how csm6, which took office in march 2011, worked The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Venus Rinah
Paladin Philanthropists
54
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Posted - 2012.02.16 15:32:00 -
[1012] - Quote
Boris Lachenkov wrote:That's kind of a weird argument. Yes, I can see that these changes would impact in some way onto a null-sec alliance. Out of a list of 50 other changes that affect other parts of the game and other people. I can go down the list and give you the ones that would impact on high-sec and low-sec users if you'd like. I'm sure I can drum out a good couple. Would you be happier if low-sec had it's own header for discussion pieces? I can see the logic behind it, that before hand null-sec didn't have any minute meetings header of it's own and that it is because of Mittani that such things happened. Sadly I can't see what affiliations CSM 5 had in terms of null-sec and things, I'll have a more detailed look when I get back from work. Another good point that Mittani makes in his candidate post: The Mittani wrote:The title has tremendous value, even though it officially has no power at all - a concept which you will immediately understand if you have any political intelligence. So the chairman has no real power within the CSM, he cannot Vito or perform any other action you might assume from a chairman of a council. Yet the only 'power' it holds is through the name, the other CSMs could vote against any of his actions that they thought were wrong. Not forgetting that CCP don't bend over for the CSM, they never have done and never will. If CSM 8 (Which I'll be chairing, totally), tells CCP that high-sec needs a new orca style ship without any evidence or provocation then nothing will happen. Oddly, The Mittani does not hold all the balls. Your view is not alternate at all, most if not all of the people who vote hold the view that the CSM should be able to talk about and discuss views outside of their particular experiences. However at the same time, surely if they have had 1000+ battles in drakes and can attest to, as well as direct CCP to data regarding, their overpoweredness then why shouldn't he? Well, now that we both know we are sarcastic I hope we can look out for sarcasm in these posts :p
Yes, I know about the provsions afforded by CCP to stop meta interests and have complete power to absorb from the CSM what they will, it is at least comforting to know about this, it declares it distinclty in the CSM white paper.
But have you considered that time wasted on issues that will be treated in this way could be used more effectively. If these interests are being presented in a deliberate view of focus to certain IG interests, then time has to be wasted arguing or omitting views as a result. Yet if the council members work in a holistic manner and accomodated all interests in a manner in keeping with impartial views, it would make the process easier to accomodate by CCP and largley afford less wasting of precious CCP time to achieve end results for EvE.
Considering some of the contentious points made in the CSM minutes it cleary shows that this ocours even if it doesn't show by whom. So how much of CCP's time is simply wasted having to accomodate discussion but then simply lost due to CCP concerns you have mentioned? I probably won't get an accurate view of that without CCP coroboration which seems very unlikley to get.
At the same time you only have to look at the official CSM process for the provision of vito powers of topics even presented to CCP. They have the luxury to place issues they want addressing whereas others have to get a quorum and get past CSM voting to even been aired. As such it is not suprising that the issues of the CSM reflect selfish interests. |
Venus Rinah
Paladin Philanthropists
54
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Posted - 2012.02.16 15:47:00 -
[1013] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:hisec nobody in 2-man corp who started playing in november 2011 has views on how csm6, which took office in march 2011, worked
For once Mittens, make a valid argument to points or ideas.
I play EvE, I have some IG knowledge and experience, I am able to read and formulate opnion from that as a result. This is why we have the various communicative mediums including CSM minutes etc.
If you think from that I can't extrapolate and intepret an understanding then that is your problem.
At the very least if you had any conviction you would attempt to educate why my views are invalid. As such it does nothing to afford educating anyone to your reasoning and similarly does nothing other than cement by opinion of how ignorant you are to anybody other than fanboi's.
Please ask all questions relating to game mechanics in 2007 now, like its really a relevant argument to completley debunking the "current" picture of where we are due to a limited history.
Here's an interesting question, whats your effective date in history that you will consider a person to have an opinion that holds weight as a result? (I predict Oct 2011, ) |
OldMan Gana
The Flaming Sideburn's Art of War Alliance
29
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:12:00 -
[1014] - Quote
If I was in charge of a large alliance and I could get the members to vote for me, thus ensuring I'm on the board, then I would- in a heart beat, who the f+++k wouldn't? Further to that, being in charge of a large alliance means lots of members scattered all over EVE right? And it's safe to say that members come back and give feedback on issues like bots, RMT or what ever right? Then surely, you would say to yourself "Screw this, I'm getting on the CSM and doing something about it."
I know I would, so would anyone else that was able to I'm betting.
" I spent most of my money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best-á |
CLKaCasheis
Regional Park Services Tactical Narcotics Team
0
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:14:00 -
[1015] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:If any of you trust a politician, I don't know what to tell you. Try not to drown in a puddle of rain?
The luxury of my popularity is that I don't have to bother lying to my voters about who and what I am. You get exactly what you voted for: a manipulative sadist who makes no apologies for who or what he is. And that's the kind of leadership the CSM requires if it's to accomplish anything when dealing with CCP; already CSM6 has demonstrated that with its lengthy record of successes. Are you missing something here? Thats all well and good, but you should not be abusing your position and scamming people. Are you now saying that you DO NOT represent eve players as the chair of the CSM? but only the goons? Are you saying by the statement that infact the CSM should not be trusted? Because it sounds like that.. Please also list your successes...
Wow, you are one special snow flake. Ethics has no place in EvE nor gaming and if this is what you should believe to be true, maybe you should try playing something like Hello Kitty MMO. But, I hate to tell you TEST has already ruined this game for you too. |
Crasniya
Legio Geminatus Gentlemen's Agreement
115
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:19:00 -
[1016] - Quote
This thread... LOL |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5119
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:30:00 -
[1017] - Quote
that dude must think he's still playing wow or something The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
54
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:33:00 -
[1018] - Quote
This thread has refuelled the need to kill more miners.
Thanks OP |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5119
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:41:00 -
[1019] - Quote
hello i am new to eve online but LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT ETHICS The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
191
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:06:00 -
[1020] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:hello i am new to eve online but LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT ETHICS
Pretty sure Mittens if you were to host a debate about Ethics it would be very similar to this satire. (4 lols)
But please I'd love to hear all about your views on "professional" ethics. Griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems.
Stop EvE Apathy |
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CLKaCasheis
Regional Park Services Tactical Narcotics Team
0
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:26:00 -
[1021] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:hello i am new to eve online but LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT ETHICS
Obviously my post sparked new interest in directionality of your thoughts on the OP. But, yet have I seen you click the like button MITTENS!
CFC4LIFE <3 |
Igner Greyhound
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:31:00 -
[1022] - Quote
Reminder that the King of Space has led our corporation into so much corrupt corruption that the entire alliance income and expense sheet is freely posted for even day-old members to review and question. So corrupt! This gives valuable information to our enemies that would normally require grooming of high-level spies, but that is a small price to pay in the name of TOTAL CORRUPTION. |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
191
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:36:00 -
[1023] - Quote
Igner Greyhound wrote:Reminder that the King of Space has led our corporation into so much corrupt corruption that the entire alliance income and expense sheet is freely posted for even day-old members to review and question. So corrupt! This gives valuable information to our enemies that would normally require grooming of high-level spies, but that is a small price to pay in the name of TOTAL CORRUPTION.
How is that relevant to CSM? Its an IG consideration. Also the last time it was attempted to be published the link needed permissions to enter the public information. Also how do we know this spreadsheet isnt just "public" presented material as opposed to real "private" facts.
Assuming that IG issues matter do we then take all the griefing and scamming related activity attributable to Goons to signify a less than corrupt position? Griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems.
Stop EvE Apathy |
CLKaCasheis
Regional Park Services Tactical Narcotics Team
0
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:42:00 -
[1024] - Quote
It just adds to the whole conspiracy theory, DUH!!!!!! |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5126
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:43:00 -
[1025] - Quote
*accuses griefers of cowardice* *hides behind npc corp alt* The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Karadion
432
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:44:00 -
[1026] - Quote
Ethics, serious business in Eve Online. |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
191
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:50:00 -
[1027] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:*accuses griefers of cowardice* *hides behind npc corp alt*
*Now revealed*
*Accuses people of integrity* *hides behind anonymous CSM minutes* Griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems.
Stop EvE Apathy |
Igner Greyhound
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:50:00 -
[1028] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Igner Greyhound wrote:Reminder that the King of Space has led our corporation into so much corrupt corruption that the entire alliance income and expense sheet is freely posted for even day-old members to review and question. So corrupt! This gives valuable information to our enemies that would normally require grooming of high-level spies, but that is a small price to pay in the name of TOTAL CORRUPTION. How is that relevant to CSM? Its an IG consideration. Also the last time it was attempted to be published the link needed permissions to enter the public information. Also how do we know this spreadsheet isnt just "public" presented material as opposed to real "private" facts. Assuming that IG issues matter do we then take all the griefing and scamming related activity attributable to Goons to signify a less than corrupt position?
It's relevant to the first post, since it's one of the stated reasons for disqualification. The info is presented by independent (non director) auditor, and is published in a way that is available to anyone directly affected (alliance members). A corrupt CSM head would want to preserve the ridiculous ISK faucet that is technetium given our moon holdings, but Mittani is strongly in favor of nerfing it.
No matter how much you want it to not be true, you are playing a game that freely allows griefing and scamming. Many players in Goonwaffe do it, everyone knows this, yet it keeps happening over and over and over. There is no more reason to disqualify someone from a scamming alliance than there would be to disqualify a player who flies Amarr ships because you think lasers suck. |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
191
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:56:00 -
[1029] - Quote
Igner Greyhound wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Igner Greyhound wrote:Reminder that the King of Space has led our corporation into so much corrupt corruption that the entire alliance income and expense sheet is freely posted for even day-old members to review and question. So corrupt! This gives valuable information to our enemies that would normally require grooming of high-level spies, but that is a small price to pay in the name of TOTAL CORRUPTION. How is that relevant to CSM? Its an IG consideration. Also the last time it was attempted to be published the link needed permissions to enter the public information. Also how do we know this spreadsheet isnt just "public" presented material as opposed to real "private" facts. Assuming that IG issues matter do we then take all the griefing and scamming related activity attributable to Goons to signify a less than corrupt position? It's relevant to the first post, since it's one of the stated reasons for disqualification. The info is presented by independent (non director) auditor, and is published in a way that is available to anyone directly affected (alliance members). A corrupt CSM head would want to preserve the ridiculous ISK faucet that is technetium given our moon holdings, but Mittani is strongly in favor of nerfing it. No matter how much you want it to not be true, you are playing a game that freely allows griefing and scamming. Many players in Goonwaffe do it, everyone knows this, yet it keeps happening over and over and over. There is no more reason to disqualify someone from a scamming alliance than there would be to disqualify a player who flies Amarr ships because you think lasers suck.
Nothing against them, they are valid IG mechanics, but like I said I wouldnt blur IG considerations with CSM duties, however if your forcing a consideration of including all IG elements best get your **** together than stupid propoganda.
Of course Mitttens well known capital scam and initiatives like Hulkageddon are not significant issues associated with corruptability? (Again IG stuff, perfectly valid, shouldnt effect CSM, sigh)
Also, the tech moon issue could be viewed as a way of preventing anyone else from profiting from them in the future and yet the Goons have capatilised on their position of having a significant portion of them for a long time. So nerf them, keep the assests associated with their gain prior, still have large number of them still better represented than others anyhow.
Some Goons. Couldn't pour water out of a boot with instructions on the heel. Griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems.
Stop EvE Apathy |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
1
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:58:00 -
[1030] - Quote
Igner Greyhound wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Igner Greyhound wrote:Reminder that the King of Space has led our corporation into so much corrupt corruption that the entire alliance income and expense sheet is freely posted for even day-old members to review and question. So corrupt! This gives valuable information to our enemies that would normally require grooming of high-level spies, but that is a small price to pay in the name of TOTAL CORRUPTION. How is that relevant to CSM? Its an IG consideration. Also the last time it was attempted to be published the link needed permissions to enter the public information. Also how do we know this spreadsheet isnt just "public" presented material as opposed to real "private" facts. Assuming that IG issues matter do we then take all the griefing and scamming related activity attributable to Goons to signify a less than corrupt position? It's relevant to the first post, since it's one of the stated reasons for disqualification. The info is presented by independent (non director) auditor, and is published in a way that is available to anyone directly affected (alliance members). A corrupt CSM head would want to preserve the ridiculous ISK faucet that is technetium given our moon holdings, but Mittani is strongly in favor of nerfing it. No matter how much you want it to not be true, you are playing a game that freely allows griefing and scamming. Many players in Goonwaffe EVE Online do it, everyone knows this, yet it keeps happening over and over and over. There is no more reason to disqualify someone from a scamming alliance than there would be to disqualify a player who flies Amarr ships because you think lasers suck.
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
152
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Posted - 2012.02.16 18:18:00 -
[1031] - Quote
Th greates trick The Mittani pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
72
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Posted - 2012.02.16 18:26:00 -
[1032] - Quote
Grumpy Owly, maybe if you made a character Happy Owly you would enjoy internet spaceships more and worry about that darn Mittani less.
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Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
194
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Posted - 2012.02.16 18:40:00 -
[1033] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Th greates trick The Mittani pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
You think I'm so serious?
Not sure if Mittens is Turkish.
However some clues to his serious qualities:
The Mittani wrote:I'm actually so completely full of myself when it comes to EVE that the whole CSM thing is pretty ancillary to my "e-identity" compared to leading Goonswarm, which is itself ancillary to my 'true love' in EVE, running espionage in the glory days of spying before Dominion ruined it. Heh. Essentially, the counterargument to "you're just doing this because you're full of yourself" is "actually, i'm so completely full of myself that it doesn't do anything for my ego, my ego is beyond even that." Sad but true! ... i am a sadist with a dire wolf and the only time i enjoy eve online is when i make thousands of people suffer, or acting as a trusted 3rd party for supercap sales mittens 2012 ... Professor Alphane wrote:Malcanis wrote:At the risk of stealing his lines, why should he give two short ***** about what you think of his style? RP style and RL action are to distinctly separate things, both I adressed in my post. But to answer your question DunnoDontCareWasItRelevant.jpg oh, you think i'm 'roleplaying' an arrogant sadist Griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems.
Stop EvE Apathy |
Magnusian
Sigma Kid Protection Services Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:36:00 -
[1034] - Quote
Dearest Pubbie brosefs, please help in my campaign against The Mittani's CSM candidacy.
My reasons: His beard is pretty lame and not manly at all, it's not even a neckbeard, how can he represent neckbeards without one of his own. He is a poopyface. He has gained respect for goons in the eyes of a large number of pubbies, this is an affront to all goonkind. He likes dogs, when cats are clearly superior. He won't RESET TEST. He lets DBRB run ops that begin with "I promise good fights" and end in "we're going to shoot this pos that is 40 jumps from the nearest link in the JB network." I've had a carrier for over a year and still haven't lost it despite numerous promises that I would. He has a tier 10 in World of Tanks and I don't. |
Cheezy Armpit
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:36:00 -
[1035] - Quote
man up internet spaceship pussyclats. |
Magnusian
Sigma Kid Protection Services Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:42:00 -
[1036] - Quote
Oh, I fogot one reason, probably his greatest crime:
He lets Amok. post. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
124
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:01:00 -
[1037] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Igner Greyhound wrote:Reminder that the King of Space has led our corporation into so much corrupt corruption that the entire alliance income and expense sheet is freely posted for even day-old members to review and question. So corrupt! This gives valuable information to our enemies that would normally require grooming of high-level spies, but that is a small price to pay in the name of TOTAL CORRUPTION. How is that relevant to CSM? Its an IG consideration. Also the last time it was attempted to be published the link needed permissions to enter the public information. Also how do we know this spreadsheet isnt just "public" presented material as opposed to real "private" facts. Assuming that IG issues matter do we then take all the griefing and scamming related activity attributable to Goons to signify a less than corrupt position? uh what the link doesn't require any logins or anything
naturally you can't edit the form though and also i broke part of it by moving who had roles i should fix that |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:08:00 -
[1038] - Quote
ha ha oh man did that npc alt really call mittens PUNKTANI |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
124
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:09:00 -
[1039] - Quote
Goonswarm makes an estimated 617,543,259,988.48 isk per month |
Travis Wells
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:09:00 -
[1040] - Quote
damn, im late to the party, but i still laughed a lil bit |
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FOl2TY8
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:35:00 -
[1041] - Quote
Retar Aveymone wrote:Goonswarm makes an estimated 617,543,259,988.48 isk per month
THAT'S A LOT OF ISK |
Paxton Brimstone
Multiplex Gaming SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:55:00 -
[1042] - Quote
The Mittani represents just as other CSM members the player base and there wants and needs to make the game worth playing. Mittins represents many of us and in a way that does with our own type of honor and integrity. As such he is doing his job and has been faithful to those that elected him. If a empire bear pubbie was elected and those block of players voted for him great then they have a voice. Dont be hate'n when we play a sandbox mmo and the "wild guys" have a voice. I look forward to mittins having another round and chewing up noobers like woulds on the council with him if they get elected.. Gawd I just love having a little bee as our chairman woooooot .. |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:17:00 -
[1043] - Quote
FOl2TY8 wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:Goonswarm makes an estimated 617,543,259,988.48 isk per month THAT'S A LOT OF ISK not after the mittani puts it all in his ~pockets~ |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2103
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:24:00 -
[1044] - Quote
Berke Negri wrote:FOl2TY8 wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:Goonswarm makes an estimated 617,543,259,988.48 isk per month THAT'S A LOT OF ISK not after the mittani puts it all in his ~pockets~
yeah, he spends most of the moongold on brutixes yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7
got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
918
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Posted - 2012.02.17 00:32:00 -
[1045] - Quote
Retar Aveymone wrote:Goonswarm makes an estimated 617,543,259,988.48 isk per month
It is crucial for an organization the size of the goons to have credibility when making such claims!
I would be glad to provide an independent audit of that number for only a 5% commission. I'll get started as soon as I see the deposit in my wallet......
Issler |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
196
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Posted - 2012.02.17 01:32:00 -
[1046] - Quote
Akelorian wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:Goonswarm makes an estimated 617,543,259,988.48 isk per month And in January their loss's amassed to just over 711,000,000,000.00 isk, so obviously not all the isk is going to mittens pocket :)
Tax rate is 15%. Griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems.
Stop EvE Apathy |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
127
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Posted - 2012.02.17 02:35:00 -
[1047] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:It is crucial for an organization the size of the goons to have credibility when making such claims!
I would be glad to provide an independent audit SPAI, someone get that spai.
Our auditor is more than capable of counting to even .01 isk. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
127
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Posted - 2012.02.17 02:44:00 -
[1048] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Also, the tech moon issue could be viewed as a way of preventing anyone else from profiting from them in the future and yet the Goons have capatilised on their position of having a significant portion of them for a long time. So nerf them, keep the assests associated with their gain prior, still have large number of them still better represented than others anyhow. So we are abusing it if it's unnerfed and abusing it if it's nerfed. This right here makes total sense.
Wait a quick sec as we make more titans than everyone else, then suddenly nerfing tracking won't be about goons being shot at by titan guns but a case of us abusing them by shooting titan guns at people.
How? Because we already blew up people and POSes before the nerf and after the nerf people won't be able to do that. SO thus after we start abusing titan tracking, we'd be trying to cement our abuse of it by getting it nerfed. |
doombreed52
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
26
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Posted - 2012.02.17 03:02:00 -
[1049] - Quote
to the op you've given me something to laugh at late at night oh and go **** yourself stop crying. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
131
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Posted - 2012.02.17 03:31:00 -
[1050] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:Goonswarm makes an estimated 617,543,259,988.48 isk per month It is crucial for an organization the size of the goons to have credibility when making such claims! I would be glad to provide an independent audit of that number for only a 5% commission. I'll get started as soon as I see the deposit in my wallet...... Issler we actually have an auditor who publishes everything we spent money on each month or two in exacting detail
then yells at us for managing to spend most of that 617b |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
128
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Posted - 2012.02.17 03:41:00 -
[1051] - Quote
Retar Aveymone wrote:we actually have an auditor who publishes everything we spent money on each month or two in exacting detail
then yells at us for managing to spend most of that 617b Yeah, we need to save because The Mittani hates us making so much from tech and is going to get it nerfed.
Sigh. Back to mining...
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
131
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Posted - 2012.02.17 03:46:00 -
[1052] - Quote
we are the best managed alliance in eve by far
and that is ******* terrifying when you see how the sausages are made |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
128
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Posted - 2012.02.17 04:03:00 -
[1053] - Quote
Back in my day there was none of this "get blown up, get reimbursed, get new ship" nonsense. We had to mine uphill both ways...
I mean mine our own minerals and build the damn hull yourself. Everyone had their mining and industry alts.
Nowadays, you're all so soft, what with mail order titans (fittings included) you just need to farm the billions of isk needed.
Back in my day, CONCORD wasn't just printing money. We had a TRITANIUM standard, none of this internet spaceship fiat currency printed by some police empire of the whole damn universe. |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
424
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Posted - 2012.02.17 07:58:00 -
[1054] - Quote
ron paul 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2106
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Posted - 2012.02.17 09:47:00 -
[1055] - Quote
Akelorian wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:Goonswarm makes an estimated 617,543,259,988.48 isk per month And in January their loss's amassed to just over 711,000,000,000.00 isk, so obviously not all the isk is going to mittens pocket :)
you look at eve-kill losses as if we reimburse every dumb ratting tengu or whatever
finfleet: eve's brightest yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7
got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
TYRON Jansing
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.02.17 10:23:00 -
[1056] - Quote
I would officially like to stage a protest.
I am protesting this protest against The Mittani.
The OP seems to think that playing in a sand box not the same way half the population does is wrong. If I can't get my way and have all high sec welfare queens removed from the game, then you can't get The Mittani removed from any aspect of the game he wishes to do. Therefore your protest and website are nothing but a waste of time.
Now for my stylish signs.
"Death to high sec welfare queen!" "Down with the isk faucet that is high sec incusions" "Death to all agents having the same quality"
Finally the most important sign
"Potatoes!"
I thank you for your time, I hope you support my protest of a protest. |
Cosmic Fart
Hedion University Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.02.29 20:28:00 -
[1057] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Just Another Toon wrote: But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.
I ran for CSM on a platform of explicitly being a manipulative bastard, because it takes someone like me to actually bring CCP around to reason. So far, so good!
You didn't bring anything around. You sat with your goon peons and made fun of the people who really made the difference!
The ones who started unsubbing are the ones who got the attention of CCP, not you and your peons too weak to think for themselves. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1708
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Posted - 2012.02.29 21:03:00 -
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Cosmic Fart wrote:The Mittani wrote:Just Another Toon wrote: But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.
I ran for CSM on a platform of explicitly being a manipulative bastard, because it takes someone like me to actually bring CCP around to reason. So far, so good! You didn't bring anything around. You sat with your goon peons and made fun of the people who really made the difference! The ones who started unsubbing are the ones who got the attention of CCP, not you and your peons too weak to think for themselves.
Noted Eve opinion maker Cosmic Fart has spoken.
Also, thanks again, Mittens, for saving Eve. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Davion Falcon
Those Once Loyal
4
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Posted - 2012.02.29 22:35:00 -
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Scamming performs a very important social role in Eve.
It balances the inequality created when a player has more isk than sense. If you don't have the wits to keep your isk, then you deserve to have it scammed out of you. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1209
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Posted - 2012.03.01 02:23:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote: Being an A$$hole is not grounds for removal from office, just ask any elected official anywhere at anytime. If you do not like him then ether find a real crime that is against the rules and provide evidence or wait till his term expires and vote him out next term.
Wrong, all elected officials are always under the spotlight and any little infraction is scrutinized with a microscope. If found guilty, they are immediately kicked out of office, otherwise known as Impeachment. Of course this usually applies to democracy type governments. In other types of governments the offending official would be quickly removed from office via more permanent methods such as public execution or private assassination.
I agree with the OP that there needs to be reform done by CCP regarding the CSM.
I believe elected CSM members should only be allowed to serve 2 consecutive years on the board, after which they must wait another 2 years before running again. If a player is elected and serves 1 year and doesn't get re-elected the 2nd year, they can again run for election in the 3rd year. |
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Alara IonStorm
1707
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Posted - 2012.03.01 13:48:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: Wrong, all elected officials are always under the spotlight and any little infraction is scrutinized with a microscope. If found guilty, they are immediately kicked out of office,
That is so incredibly rare and is only relevant to if a law is broken. Even Bill Clinton was not going to be kicked out for a sex scandal but perjury. So what crime has the Mittani committed that is 100% without a shadow of a doubt proven that is against the rules.
Even then have you heard Candidates speak in RL scapegoating minorities, homosexuals, women, the poor and so on. Their are a lot of scary people in office that do not get impeached so being kind of a **** sometimes is definitely not enough. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5530
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Posted - 2012.03.02 02:39:00 -
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Cosmic Fart wrote:
You didn't bring anything around. You sat with your goon peons and made fun of the people who really made the difference!
The ones who started unsubbing are the ones who got the attention of CCP, not you and your peons too weak to think for themselves.
angry npc alt, oh no
whatever will i dooooo The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.03.02 02:58:00 -
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The Mittani promised me that we'd have more carrier ops and that we should insure our ships because we were probably going to lose them.
My insurance just ran out and my carrier is still alive. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
208
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Posted - 2012.03.02 03:58:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:angry npc alt, oh no
whatever will i dooooo Post on the EVE-O forums more~~
Davion Falcon wrote:Scamming performs a very important social role in Eve.
It balances the inequality created when a player has more isk than sense. If you don't have the wits to keep your isk, then you deserve to have it scammed out of you. Maintaining a smooth isk:sense ratio across the population of New Eden. Saving the environment, one double your isk at a time. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
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