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Sundiata Arran
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.07 17:07:00 -
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So, after banging my head against the keyboard for hours last night trying the find the gravimetric signature in the exploration career mission, I found it this morning. I bookmarked the location, then went through the gate and found the asteroid site. I was excited to see so many minerals I've never even heard of! So excited I forgot to bookmark before flying back to the base. Ooops. I didn't remember to look for the cargo with the certificate inside. The agent wasn't having it.
No prob, I thought, since I remembered to make a book mark. I flew back to my bookmark and found nothing there. No acceleration gate. I'm screwed. Or am I?
Do I have to do a complete rescan to get back to the site, or is there an easier way? Either way, I think (hope) I've learned a lesson. Sometimes Eve is too pretty! |
Ovv Topik
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
374
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Posted - 2013.04.07 17:17:00 -
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Once you pop a site, and leave it, it despawns.
That applies to proper sites out in the big bad EvE universe.
No prob though. The scanning practice will do you good Innominate Nightmare, :"Your Mother is an exotic dancer, and your Sister works in a Quafe factory!GÇ¥ |
Sundiata Arran
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.04.07 17:26:00 -
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So, for future knowledge, will I be able to scout out a site in my exploration frigate, bookmark it, then come back with a combat ship? That was to be my isk-making career strategy. |
Sevra Argentkin
Nunc est bibendum
2
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Posted - 2013.04.07 17:40:00 -
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Sundiata Arran wrote:So, for future knowledge, will I be able to scout out a site in my exploration frigate, bookmark it, then come back with a combat ship? That was to be my isk-making career strategy.
Yep, you should be. As long as you don't 'touch' anything in the site. |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
830
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Posted - 2013.04.07 17:40:00 -
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Entering may in some cases trigger it so yes don't warp to it just bookmark the 100% hit from your scanner window. Having said that you don't NEED a special scanning ship in most cases, certainly not in high sec, you don't need special sister launchers, probes or grav rigs at all. And given the fact that roaming around systems trying to find a site sucks if you have to move two ships with one character it's just not worth it.
Would you have an alt then it might make sense to put him in an orca so you can swap ships&fits, drop off loot/ore and make use of the Orca's gang links. Amat victoria curam. Excellence in everything.
Some guides that may be useful to you: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrdoArdish |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
348
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Posted - 2013.04.07 19:23:00 -
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I tried the scanning tutorial with a freshly created alt on a trial account this morning just to see if all the rookies if my corp are complaining for something real or not.
.. It went smoothly. G££ <= Me |
J'Poll
The Fiction Factory Tribal Band
2049
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Posted - 2013.04.07 19:26:00 -
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Altrue wrote:I tried the scanning tutorial with a freshly created alt on a trial account this morning just to see if all the rookies if my corp are complaining for something real or not.
.. It went smoothly.
The problem is....even if you start a new trial now and skip aura and don't train any skills...you will still carry over and use yoru knowledge you gained from previous character. You will NEVER be a true new player anymore as you have knowledge about how it works.
New character =/= New citizen. When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises. Professional Forum Thread locker. |
Aenas Drogo
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.04.08 12:33:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Altrue wrote:I tried the scanning tutorial with a freshly created alt on a trial account this morning just to see if all the rookies if my corp are complaining for something real or not.
.. It went smoothly. The problem is....even if you start a new trial now and skip aura and don't train any skills...you will still carry over and use yoru knowledge you gained from previous character. You will NEVER be a true new player anymore as you have knowledge about how it works. New character =/= New citizen.
This, I see this all over the forum. New players being told "oh you can do this stuff within your first day" but seemingly without recognizing the fact that while it is technically possible there is pretty much no way a new player will have ANY idea what on earth they should be doing and how to get there.
To put it in perspective - when you can't even find out how to access your overview settings it is a little too much to ask of someone to be able to manage scanning down a site, knowing all the details, having a properly fitted ship with which to run said site and then come out of it alive within a reasonable amount of time - and understanding what all I just wrote even means.
When you're new, just being able to identify something red on the overview and figuring out how to shoot it is an achievement (aura tutorials or not).
The tutorials are ok to do, but they still feel a little like you are trying to drive a car using your feet - in spite of all the text and blinking icons telling you where to click. |
Doctor Ape MD
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.04.08 12:34:00 -
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Sundiata Arran wrote:So, after banging my head against the keyboard for hours last night trying the find the gravimetric signature in the exploration career mission, I found it this morning. I bookmarked the location, then went through the gate and found the asteroid site. I was excited to see so many minerals I've never even heard of! So excited I forgot to bookmark before flying back to the base. Ooops. I didn't remember to look for the cargo with the certificate inside. The agent wasn't having it.
No prob, I thought, since I remembered to make a book mark. I flew back to my bookmark and found nothing there. No acceleration gate. I'm screwed. Or am I?
Do I have to do a complete rescan to get back to the site, or is there an easier way? Either way, I think (hope) I've learned a lesson. Sometimes Eve is too pretty!
The tutorial signatures are an excellent place to practice your scanning techniques, so I recommend watching a few vids or reading a few guides and practicing there for a bit. They are general pretty strong and easier to find than most signatures, and there are tons of them and they never run out so they make good practice targets.
Make sure you train all of the astrometrics skill books that you get from the tutorial to at least level 3, that will help you quite a bit. Also, don't forget to move your probes on all three axes (sometimes signatures are above and below the x and y axis) and use the shift and alt keys while moving probes to make things much easier on yourself (hold **** to adjust strength of all probes, or to move all probes at once. Hold alt and move a probe to pull probes towards or away from a center point).
Once you finish the exploration tutorial you should get an exploration frigate as a reward which will also greatly improve your scanning ability. Once you get some drone skills you will be able to clear most high sec sites (all radar and mag) without even leaving your exploration frigate. If high sec exploration is high on your list of things you want to do, I'd work on those drone skills after getting all of your basic skills (archeology, salvaging, hacking). Afterwards you can skill up to a battlecruiser to do those tough complexes, but in my experience some of the 4/10 sites can be quite difficult for a new player (and even some experienced players). |
Woeful Animation
Turalyon Plus
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Posted - 2013.04.08 13:55:00 -
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I had a similar issue. I scanned the site -- bookmarked the site, just to be sure, and noticed all the pretty asteroids. I got my certificate and completed the mission without issues, butI did try to go back to the site when I was doing the business and industry missions because of the asteroids. Not surprising the asteroids were gone. But that's another story.
Once you have the site at 100% you can bookmark the site into your people and places tab. Do that for all the sites you will want to run. You don't have to land on them first. Develop this habit now. Later you might need specialized ships that are more suited to the task. You might (much later on) want to farm the Ladar site, and its doubtful you have a Huffer (Gas Mining ship) with you in system if you are simply exploring. Once you leave the system go get another ship you have to rescan the site (which is a pain) Once someone lands on the site, the site despawns a minute or so after the player leaves.
True story. I scanned down a radar site in high sec, and warped in. The site was filled with yellow rats, and the cans were all empty. I hit D-scan and found the little Imicus burning off and a few seconds later he warped away. The site despawned out from under me a few seconds later while I was weeping the loss of a few million ISK.
Anyway happy hunting. Don't jump in any wormholes and don't fly across null sec before 2:00 am Eve Time. |
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Sundiata Arran
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.04.08 21:31:00 -
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Altrue wrote:I tried the scanning tutorial with a freshly created alt on a trial account this morning just to see if all the rookies if my corp are complaining for something real or not.
.. It went smoothly.
I think you misunderstood. It did go smoothly. Only I forgot to pick up my certificate. I wanted to know if I could go back to the acceleration gate to the same site -- the answer was no.
Another question: I tried immediately after I received all the good advice (thanks again!) and this time I couldn't pick up the required grav signal. Did I just miss it, or is it possible there wasn't a new grav signal in the system where I received the mission? If there is the possibility the signal I scanned earlier might not be replaced by a new training grav site, I call foul. That means you only get one chance to screw up! Hopefully I just missed it, but I tried several times, docking into the Military School port each time before going out again. |
Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out Suddenly Spaceships.
43201
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Posted - 2013.04.08 21:34:00 -
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I have full Scanning Skills and Still Struggle :P
I suck at scanning I don't have Patience for it :D
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Sundiata Arran
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2013.04.08 21:47:00 -
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After a few hours (!) practice, I think I've got it down. But my question remains: will the system I received the mission in always provide the appropriate training site? If I left the system for another and found a grav site would I have been able to complete the mission? |
J'Poll
The Fiction Factory Tribal Band
2049
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Posted - 2013.04.08 21:54:00 -
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Sundiata Arran wrote:After a few hours (!) practice, I think I've got it down. But my question remains: will the system I received the mission in always provide the appropriate training site? If I left the system for another and found a grav site would I have been able to complete the mission?
No.
For the tutorial sites, you need to be in said system the mission tells you. And it will spawn one when you accept the mission.
So basically, the exploration in the tutorial is more a combination of exploration and mission deadspace. Unlike others, it's specially generated when you accept the mission. When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises. Professional Forum Thread locker. |
Sundiata Arran
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2013.04.08 22:59:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Sundiata Arran wrote:After a few hours (!) practice, I think I've got it down. But my question remains: will the system I received the mission in always provide the appropriate training site? If I left the system for another and found a grav site would I have been able to complete the mission? No. For the tutorial sites, you need to be in said system the mission tells you. And it will spawn one when you accept the mission. So basically, the exploration in the tutorial is more a combination of exploration and mission deadspace. Unlike others, it's specially generated when you accept the mission.
So, am I screwed? The mission spawned the original grav site where I forgot to grab the certificate. I guess it doesn't matter too much. I can always practice probe scanning on my own, now that I know how to do it. But if that's the case, I'll miss out on the free astrometic pinpointing skill book. 500K I'll have to spend. A mining I will go! |
Doctor Ape MD
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.04.08 23:07:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Sundiata Arran wrote:After a few hours (!) practice, I think I've got it down. But my question remains: will the system I received the mission in always provide the appropriate training site? If I left the system for another and found a grav site would I have been able to complete the mission? No. For the tutorial sites, you need to be in said system the mission tells you. And it will spawn one when you accept the mission. So basically, the exploration in the tutorial is more a combination of exploration and mission deadspace. Unlike others, it's specially generated when you accept the mission.
Has this been verified? In my experience, there seem to be a random number of each type of site constantly spawning in each starter system (a wide scan will often show a half dozen results of the same type). I suppose one way to check would be to scan immediately after downtime and see what appears.
I believe that there are always a number of each type of training site in the starter systems. I've made the same mistake as the OP when I recently re-did most of the tutorials (for standings) and was able to rescan a new site with no problem.
I do know that sites outside the starter systems will not help you complete the mission, as those sites will not have the container with the item you need to turn in. |
Sundiata Arran
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2013.04.08 23:20:00 -
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Thanks again! |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
264
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Posted - 2013.04.08 23:26:00 -
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Sundiata Arran wrote:So, am I screwed? The mission spawned the original grav site where I forgot to grab the certificate. I guess it doesn't matter too much. I can always practice probe scanning on my own, now that I know how to do it. But if that's the case, I'll miss out on the free astrometic pinpointing skill book. 500K I'll have to spend. A mining I will go!
F12 -> Petition. Request a mission reset. The GMs are good about tutorial missions, they'll reset the mission so you can do it again.
Or you could also just scan down one of the other tutorial grav sites in the career agent system, there's often several of them there. That's if you still have the necessary pass key that the agent gave you.
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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
331
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Posted - 2013.04.09 11:44:00 -
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Aenas Drogo wrote:This, I see this all over the forum. New players being told "oh you can do this stuff within your first day" but seemingly without recognizing the fact that while it is technically possible there is pretty much no way a new player will have ANY idea what on earth they should be doing and how to get there
... possibly because the entire purpose of the NCQA forum is to tell people how to do things with limited sp allotments and give them some idea of what they should be doing and how to get there.
Or I guess it could be a giant sinister conspiracy to secretly mock rookies with their inadequacy like you're suggesting, which hundreds of us have put hours and hours of out free time into maintaining.
Both of those are clearly equally likely and believing the latter doesn't make you paranoid, oversensitive, and cartoonishly insecure at all. |
Steven Koskanaiken
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
47
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Posted - 2013.04.09 13:17:00 -
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Doctor Ape MD wrote:J'Poll wrote:Sundiata Arran wrote:After a few hours (!) practice, I think I've got it down. But my question remains: will the system I received the mission in always provide the appropriate training site? If I left the system for another and found a grav site would I have been able to complete the mission? No. For the tutorial sites, you need to be in said system the mission tells you. And it will spawn one when you accept the mission. So basically, the exploration in the tutorial is more a combination of exploration and mission deadspace. Unlike others, it's specially generated when you accept the mission. Has this been verified? In my experience, there seem to be a random number of each type of site constantly spawning in each starter system (a wide scan will often show a half dozen results of the same type). I suppose one way to check would be to scan immediately after downtime and see what appears. I believe that there are always a number of each type of training site in the starter systems. I've made the same mistake as the OP when I recently re-did most of the tutorials (for standings) and was able to rescan a new site with no problem. I do know that sites outside the starter systems will not help you complete the mission, as those sites will not have the container with the item you need to turn in.
That is because there ate plenty of new people in that system and thus you will see them a lot.
Downtime isnt a definate thing to check. If the trigger hasnt been activated the site stays and is reset. |
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Bret Crendraven
SkREW CREW Local Down
4
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Posted - 2013.04.10 15:42:00 -
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To the OP. I do exploration and use an Imicus to scan down Sigs etc. I then evaluate the situation using Evelopedia to see what type of ship I need and what I am to expect.
Exploration can be tedious though when you dont find anything for days but then It can change in an hour and you could make 200-300mil+ in one sig. Its how I make my money and keep myself supplied. |
Untanas Volmyr
Running with Knives Nexus Fleet
7
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Posted - 2013.04.10 22:51:00 -
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I noticed some bookmarks from my early scan training brought me to the middle of nowhere. However some of them were moving if I remember correctly. So the bookmark is probably bringing you to where the anomaly was in relation to the suns gravity. Unless of course the game is not that complex yet and its just despawning. |
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GM Bunyip
Game Masters C C P Alliance
18
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Posted - 2013.04.10 23:54:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:So basically, the exploration in the tutorial is more a combination of exploration and mission deadspace. Unlike others, it's specially generated when you accept the mission.
To clarify: This isn't quite correct. The starter systems have been specially seeded with these exploration sites. In terms of mechanics and underlying functionality, they operate like exploration sites and not mission sites, meaning they're spawned and distributed independent of the mission system. As an example of this, you can theoretically run each training site before accepting the first mission.
Actually, on that note...that's something we deal with every so often. Since it's possible to run them out of order, we sometimes get people confusing the Gravimetric they're in for a Magnetometric and so on, and have to explain the difference.
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