CCP Rise was hired.

I am not going to demonize the guy. Let's give him and other employees the benefit of the doubt and see what they have to say. I'll be at Amarr applying holy fire err... shooting arty at the statue with the rest of you otherwise.

I'm finishing T2 rails myself. **** Amarr BS.

As a rookie pilot, developing a skill plan that will allow me to not only sit a battleship but fly it well, the proposed changes to the Amarr line up are worrisome. Should I have started with a differing race for faster access to better ships for L4 and PVP brawls?... NO patriot of Amarr should be be required to bring farty poop sticks rather than holy fire to divine battle for want of capacitor...

I actually do PVP against battleships, and with battleships. I can tell you I have seen arty Abaddons pretty recently (as in within the last 2-3 months).

I haven't seen an arty baddon killmail for while, but fine.

And for what reason do you use arties on your baddon ? Because of cap or because of alpha ?...

And why don't you use Maelstrom in the first place ? I suspect it's because of the resist bonus...

Would you really use beam baddon instead of arties if cap and fitting weren't a problem ? I seriously doubt it...

The man who thought about changing the geddon to this crap should be fired...
Sad you just care about big blobby fights...

Awesome suggestions here

Would I actually fit my own racial guns if I had a real reason to, instead of distastefully fitting Artillery?

Hmm, lemme think about that. Yeah, pretty sure everyone would.

They use arty on the Abaddon because arty is brutally overpowered, and our weapons are brutally underpowered, both by comparison and in a vacuum.

They're using them for the resists and it's probably easier to fit an armor tank than on a Mael. Either way, they're not fitting a PG mod and going around using the supposedly OP Tachyon's in the blob (with the 25% ship bonus), so what problem are we pretending to solve by keeping them, and mega-beams to a lesser extent, impossible to fit flexibly like every other weapon?

I still don't understand the logic behind the apoc becoming the attack Bs, isn't that more the role of a ship that's, suppose to get close because of it's bonuses (aka geddon) instead of one that has it's bonuses in applying damage at a range . The title isn't the cause of my dissatisfaction, but the signature radius and speed that comes with it.

actually, no, the role of Combat hull from all of these tiericides is being kept to the "Brawler" hulls, those meant to go in close.
Your Attack role hulls are meant to make use of range (and at least on the non-BS) some maneuverability and such. I'd recommend an MJD on the Apoc to help with this aspect.

Even heaven and hell are in agreement that there is a problem! You see this CCP?

Be not deceived, for the Great Beast shall not be mocked. Again I say unto ye, embrace the path of the slave, the heathen, and the heretic races, for it is with their own methods and devices that they shall be brought to heel (and correspondingly, to hell). For the inferior races contain within themselves the seeds of their own destruction.

So shall it be written. So shall it be done.

Pfft... sell out. You just want to protect the "hell"-cat for "your" own ends, leaving us stuck with a null-coaster, rather than see Amarr gain a useful and worthwhile ship for everyone that brings balance to the empire ship options, ends the argument, and leaves mostly satisfied capsuleers all around.

Uh, you misunderstand him greatly. He is suggesting we abandon the Amarr battleship lineup entirely to show them that it's not a good change. A strike of sorts.

But since they don't really rebalance things based on what's used and what isn't, (or a few things would have been done differently, that's for sure), I don't see this as likely to succeed.

I get that actually. Some of the banter is meant tongue in cheek (yes, I really want a better Abaddon and was fighting for it, using the post to my own ends, regardless of truth LOL. Please forgive me that, perhaps a crime of love and politics.) But you also express one of my worries. People giving up on Amarr battleships (and their other ships) because they have been designed out of too many roles leaving everyone else to do everything better for less investment. Talk about killing some rookie's play enthusiasm after skilling for months only to find no one wants their boats along for the show and they are not competitive. How to get new Amarr FW pilots and those that actually fly Amarr? Once people give up on a ship line it will take years to recover any momentum on several fronts. It shouldn't be allowed to happen.

Wait, people fly things above cruiser size in FW for things besides the final system bash? O-o I've been gone too long in that case. Also, for whatever reason, the Amarr side of FW is... to put it nicely, abominable. But everything is what you make of it, I suppose.

Like I said, you have little worry of this happening. The hardcore Amarr pilots will do what they always do; kick ass with the ships that still work.

In fact, I see more amarr and minmatar BS in FW than gallente BS outside of undock. Not that my point of view is relevant, but still.

so they wont be kicking ass at all above cruiser level unless they can kil their opponent in the first 30 seconds of the figth or before they warp? since their mids will be filled with cap batteries to comepnsate for the nonexistent cap and laser cap bonuses, and if you fit tackle, your going to have a hard time keeping your guns up.

More to the point the geddon has had its current role since the start of the game so why change it now?? Just change the domi to a vamp/neut tier 1 bs with good drone capabilities. if you want a geddon with vamp/neut now just get a bhaal???

Plus the apoc needs more of a boost to rival the new tier 3 battlecruisers as the oracle can fit 8 tachs the apoc can't without powergrid mods. Plus does less DPS and less range so what's the point for more isk?

Abaddon is fine as it is people should stop whining as it handles like a bathtub of water in an ocean of glue.

Pro tip to CCP: If it isn't broke don't fix it!!!

Or if it is broke actually fix it properly!

More to the point the geddon has had its current role since the start of the game so why change it now?? Just change the domi to a vamp/neut tier 1 bs with good drone capabilities. if you want a geddon with vamp/neut now just get a bhaal???

Plus the apoc needs more of a boost to rival the new tier 3 battlecruisers as the oracle can fit 8 tachs the apoc can't without powergrid mods. Plus does less DPS and less range so what's the point for more isk?

Abaddon is fine as it is people should stop whining as it handles like a bathtub of water in an ocean of glue.

Pro tip to CCP: If it isn't broke don't fix it!!!

Or if it is broke actually fix it properly!

Wait, people fly things above cruiser size in FW for things besides the final system bash? O-o I've been gone too long in that case. Also, for whatever reason, the Amarr side of FW is... to put it nicely, abominable. But everything is what you make of it, I suppose. Like I said, you have little worry of this happening. The hardcore Amarr pilots will do what they always do; kick ass with the ships that still work.

I wasn't looking to imply people were flying battleships in FW. I was trying to make a point about graduation. Why even start out as Amarr or think about taking their side when you will end up with sucky ships at the top end after months of training when you want to do other things too like run L4 for better income to support yourself...