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Egravant Alduin
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.09 08:01:00 -
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Hi guys, After 200 level 4 missions and owning a noctis I have looted and salvaged a lot of missions until i realized it's wasted time.The best loot was 30m (once)with salvaging included and all others 5-15m max.After I calculated the time needed for looting and salvaging and the time required to start and finish new mission the isk/hour is far better with only missions.Really really regret buying noctis. |
Bastion Arzi
Pro Synergy Frozen Shipyards
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Posted - 2013.04.09 08:42:00 -
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Hi there, if your going to leave behind your own wrekcs might i suggest that you employ the services of ProSynergy and have them salvage the sites for you. You get to keep 45% of the profit from selling/refining loot (45 to the salvager, 45 to the customer and 10 to the corp).
Just join channel ProSynergy and ask about. Theres also a website i think its www.prosynergyeve.com
hf & fly safe |
Kasutra
Tailor Company Hashashin Cartel
159
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Posted - 2013.04.09 08:46:00 -
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Looting and salvaging L4s has seen better days. Do it if
- You don't have the skills/ISK to run L4s well
- Your boat has utility highs that you can use to haul in some BS wrecks while you're killing (read: you're in a Marauder)
- You just cleared a faction navy mission for some reason
It's not mandatory.
Quote:Hi there, if your going to leave behind your own wrekcs might i suggest that you employ the services of ProSynergy and have them salvage the sites for you. You get to keep 45% of the profit from selling/refining loot (45 to the salvager, 45 to the customer and 10 to the corp). Just join channel ProSynergy and ask about. Theres also a website i think its www.prosynergyeve.comhf & fly safe Oh, yeah, those guys are legit. |
Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus Aeterna Anima
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Posted - 2013.04.09 09:10:00 -
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Some missions are very profitable, some much less so. All it needs is a bit of experience to know which to bother looting. |
Egravant Alduin
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.09 09:38:00 -
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Is pro synergy to be trusted?I have heard good things about them. |
CkapT
Barren Tonberrys The Fourth District
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Posted - 2013.04.09 10:31:00 -
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Egravant Alduin wrote:Is pro synergy to be trusted?I have heard good things about them.
Trusted with what ? Your choices are :
salvage and loot it alone ( You tried and it does not work for you ) . leave the wrecks ( forfeit ALL of the loot salvage ) Use pro synergy ( and get 45% of the salvage/loot profit )
So between losing all the loot and salvage and getting nothing at all ...... and using pro synergy where is the risk factor ? That they don't give you exactly 45% but less ? Its still will be more then you would get by just leaving the wrecks there . |
Grombutz
lass mich in ruhe und nerf ned
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Posted - 2013.04.09 16:41:00 -
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Looting with a noctis - alt, while you're doing the mission = win.
Any other option is kinda mew in most cases, yes. |
Zornia Estemaire
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.09 20:10:00 -
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Quote:Looting with a noctis - alt, while you're doing the mission = win.
Statements like this always confuse me. But I have never questioned until now. I mean, how can your alt be salvaging in a Noctis while your main is running the mission. Is there actually a way to run both at the same time. Or does he mean a 2nd character on the same account? What am I missing here? |
Sodohm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.09 20:51:00 -
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He means another account with a noctis on it, which is kinda dumb as double dps brings more money than dps + salvage |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
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Posted - 2013.04.09 20:53:00 -
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Zornia Estemaire wrote:Quote:Looting with a noctis - alt, while you're doing the mission = win. Statements like this always confuse me. But I have never questioned until now. I mean, how can your alt be salvaging in a Noctis while your main is running the mission. Is there actually a way to run both at the same time. Or does he mean a 2nd character on the same account? What am I missing here?
You doing a mission, then alt comes in to salvage while you're doing the next mission. It hardly takes much attention to loot/salvage, or do missions in most cases. Another way is to just do missions for 90 minutes, then salvage everything. Only BM the missions that had enough wrecks to make it worth it. Wrecks last 2 hours, so just BM with the time so you know which to go after first.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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snake03
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Posted - 2013.04.09 22:22:00 -
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Egravant Alduin wrote:Hi guys, After 200 level 4 missions and owning a noctis I have looted and salvaged a lot of missions until i realized it's wasted time.The best loot was 30m (once)with salvaging included and all others 5-15m max.After I calculated the time needed for looting and salvaging and the time required to start and finish new mission the isk/hour is far better with only missions.Really really regret buying noctis.
Sorry that it took you 200 missions to figure this out... Now please rename your thread to reflect that your referring to carebear looting and salvaging in empire and not the sort of salvaging that Big Boys like me do in unknown space.....
I'm just a modern day caveman in search of a bigger club. |
CkapT
Barren Tonberrys The Fourth District
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Posted - 2013.04.10 07:02:00 -
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TBH Noctis is by far the best purchase i ever made. It payed itself over 20 times already . But then again i run forsaken hubs in 0.0 . That Noctis almost doubles my income :) . Just the other day i loaded all the salvage and jumped it to jita . That salvage was from about 10-15 hubs and it sold for over 180 mil . And that's not counting all the minerals i got from reprocessing the loot . That another 80-90 mil right there . It even made me lvl my Refining and Salvaging to 5 and Ore industrial to 4 and now the salvaging is even faster. |
Egravant Alduin
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.10 08:52:00 -
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What bm means? |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:54:00 -
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Egravant Alduin wrote:What bm means?
Bookmark.
You create one in your "people and places" button on your Neocom. The idea is to create a warpable spot where all your wrecks are and to which you can return even after turning the mission in (which basically makes it inaccessible by normal means). Since your wrecks stay around for two hours you can do several missions and salvage them all in one go (which is definitely more time-efficient) instead of doing it after each mission. Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
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Miks Rebelius
Griffin Capsuleers Ad-Astra
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:59:00 -
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BookMark |
Grombutz
lass mich in ruhe und nerf ned
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:28:00 -
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Zornia Estemaire wrote:Quote:Looting with a noctis - alt, while you're doing the mission = win. Statements like this always confuse me. But I have never questioned until now. I mean, how can your alt be salvaging in a Noctis while your main is running the mission. Is there actually a way to run both at the same time. Or does he mean a 2nd character on the same account? What am I missing here?
Sorry if that was confusing to you, let me explain a little more.
I fly the missions, and the noctis follows as soon as possible (i.e while I'm doing the second pocket of a mission, the noctis loots the first one). If BS is faster than the noctis, or if missions have only one pocket, I'm creating a corp-bookmark, or warp the noctis in as soon as my BS warps out.
Yes, it might procude less income than 2 BS in 2 different missions, but that is way too much micro-management to be worth it for me. It was pretty Ok without NPC-brains, but now that you have to care about your drones, it's kinda meh.
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Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.10 11:03:00 -
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Sodohm wrote:He means another account with a noctis on it, which is kinda dumb as double dps brings more money than dps + salvage training a second char to be able to run lvl4s reasonably fast takes way longer than training an industry/trade alt to use a noctis. also, salvaging is less stressful than running two missions simultaneouslly.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Doctor Ape MD
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.04.10 12:54:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:Sodohm wrote:He means another account with a noctis on it, which is kinda dumb as double dps brings more money than dps + salvage training a second char to be able to run lvl4s reasonably fast takes way longer than training an industry/trade alt to use a noctis. also, salvaging is less stressful than running two missions simultaneouslly.
This is what I'm currently doing. It takes very little time to effectively train an effective salvager, and it's a good thing to do while he levels up for bigger and better things (orcas, freighters, industry, PI, whatever). |
bufnitza calatoare
Nex Angelus. Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.04.10 16:07:00 -
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Egravant Alduin wrote:Is pro synergy to be trusted?I have heard good things about them.
they seemed good when I dealt with them..
also we have had new corp members in our corp make over 800m a day looting and salvaging in null sec.
you should try it one day...
not with us tho |
Etheral Queen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.04.10 17:37:00 -
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I average about 8m in salvage and about 4-5m in loot, dont see a problem tbh and i do most of it semi afk although it has its down sides when you dont notice you triggered the last wave and start watching tv
If all you're after is isk/hr then yeah forget looting and salvaging anything but the battleship wrecks as you go but if all you care about is isk/hr the game gets stupidly boring. |
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Nihilaus Vause
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.04.11 10:02:00 -
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Used to work as a salvager with Pro Synergy and can confirm they're legit.
If you want to find out just join their channel and ask some of the mission runners in there. It works well for mission grinders as they get more cash by running faster, and the people who salvage get a steady source of income which works well for low-SP pilots who need isk.
It's not all perfect, they tend to stick to a few major mission hubs and surrounding areas (but will come out further sometimes if it's not busy or you pre-arrange it with them) and sometimes depending when you run missions and when the salvagers are online you can find nobody is about to clean up your wrecks. (but I know for a fact a lot of the corp go out of their way to try to ensure this doesn't happen)
Basically I'd advise anyone who's serious about grinding lvl4's or wants to earn isk as a salvager to look them up. I left as I wanted to go try other things in EVE, but I'd definitely recommend them.
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Egravant Alduin
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.04.15 08:40:00 -
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Already sent some bookmarks to them.I ll just wait to get paid.They had friendly chat and they seem trusted. |
Degnar Oskold
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.04.15 17:12:00 -
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On my Level 4 mission alt, I first used to ignore my wrecks (was in a Maelstrom)
I then moved in to Pro Synergy's area of ops, started contracting them my wrecks, confirm it's legit and I got paid out.
BUT then I switched from a Mael to a Tempest Fleet Issue (after Minnie BS V, you get pretty much the same DPS).
Now I warp in to a missions, deploy salvage drones, start blasting rats, and use tractor beams in my 2 utility high slots to slurp in wrecks and cans. TFI is fast enough to quickly pick up wrecks floating 50-60km away with AB and the tractor beams, without significantly harming your ISK/hr.
Using a fast BS with utility highs as a mini-Marauder means I don't need to come back in a Noctis, or lose 55% of my loot to ProSynergy.
Now, I just fly my salvage loot back to Jita in a shuttle, while my meta-module and drone loot is building up to contract to Proo Synergy's Bag o Loot service for 90% payout to me.... |
Zadia Quasar
Internet Spaceship Gamers Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
0
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Posted - 2013.04.17 14:03:00 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:Hi there, if your going to leave behind your own wrekcs might i suggest that you employ the services of ProSynergy and have them salvage the sites for you. You get to keep 45% of the profit from selling/refining loot (45 to the salvager, 45 to the customer and 10 to the corp). Just join channel ProSynergy and ask about. Theres also a website i think its www.prosynergyeve.comhf & fly safe
I tried out the Pro Synergy service for the first time yesterday. I had no idea how much ISK I was leaving on the field. Its not worth my time to salvage as opposed to taking another mission. It was easy get my stuff looted and salvaged and will be a nice payday at the end of the week.
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DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
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Posted - 2013.04.18 02:55:00 -
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Although the above statements aren't wrong, none of them mentioned the reason some of us ALWAYS loot/salvage missions and that is Manufacturing. And I must either be lucky or in the right place in space because I can usually walk away from a normal 3 pocket LvL 4 with 8-15 mil of sellables (I only sell anything worth 500K+), 5-10 mil of refined minerals, and 4-7 mil of salvage parts. The T1 Rigs I build from those Salvage parts are worth an ave 100% more than if I sold the Salvage on the market. The minerals obviously takes longer to build up before you can build anything of decent value, but it's an average of 25% more than dumping them on market. I also ave 1-3 meta 4 modules per run which can be as much as 7mil per (not usually this much).
I do the Noctis/2nd account route as well but I jump in about 1 min after my main starts eating the ships and loot/salvage WHILE I'm killing. The Noctis adds a tiny bit of DPS via Drones and can tank (properly fit) half dozen ships easy. For those who would say to use Salvage Drones with the Noctis, obviously your Salvage skill and/or Ore Industrial skill isn't very high. I split TB/Salvagers (both T2) 4/4 on Noctis with ZERO Rigs/Imps for Salvage and I often can't tractor them in fast enough even with LvL 4 Ore Indy. Salvage Drones are slow as molasses. I can tractor/salvage 5-7 wrecks to 1 that the drones do at the same ranges. Also I should note that my main DPS ship does plenty of dmg since I run mostly against Angels which affords me the ability to use Blasters therefore gaining MUCH higher DPS than LOL-Rails or Cruise ships. My Sentries pull the packs in, my Blasters eat them, rinse-repeat. Check out my post about some Drone lovin: Proposed Drone Improvement |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2013.04.18 03:10:00 -
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I use an alt with a Paladin: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/65141-Paladin-Books-Pally2013-retribution-1-1.html
I lock 7 targets on field and 3 wrecks, Shoot and loot while salvage drones salvage what they can before I warp off.
1500 DPS for big missions I usually end up looting 90-100% of wrecks and salvaging about 50% (thats for big missions) shoot and loot on one account.
Once fleeted with a guy in a tachy pally, man, leme tell you angels extrava ended in like 15 min including last room, didn't even care about triggers salvaged maybe 20% looted the whole place, so yes, noctis sucks unless you have low skills/ISK |
Egravant Alduin
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.04.18 08:25:00 -
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Yup noctis sucks.In the beginning I was oh good worthy ship.Then I calculated the times and starting a new mission profit so it was wasted time using noctis.And yes I got paid from pro synergy exactly 45%from missions as promised since they have great tools and calculators to get paid . |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
554
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Posted - 2013.04.19 17:36:00 -
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Egravant Alduin wrote:Hi guys, After 200 level 4 missions and owning a noctis I have looted and salvaged a lot of missions until i realized it's wasted time.The best loot was 30m (once)with salvaging included and all others 5-15m max.After I calculated the time needed for looting and salvaging and the time required to start and finish new mission the isk/hour is far better with only missions.Really really regret buying noctis. Well I find I ussually get 20-25 mil worth of loot and salvage, with about the same in bounties, Some missions are a little more. Basically loot and salvage is generally 1/3 to 1/2 of my mission income. If salvaging took the same time as running the mission, then yes, just running missions would be more isk/hr. I find salvaging with a noctis very fast. Especially with the new salvage drones, provided you know how to use them.
Salvage drones are a little tricky to get them to work properly. if you launch them and manually set them a target they will salvage that target and then wait for another target. I think this is a bug, but whatever. If you launch the salvage drones with no target locked, and set them to salvage, they will auto salvage every blue and white wreck within range, I have been surprised at how quickly they clear a room.
Salvaging with drones is so efficient I have dropped my Noctis down to only 2 salvagers and 6 tractor beams. In missions where loot is not worth much I can afk the Noctis and the drones do all the work while I clear the next room. If you do not need drones on your combat ship to clear rats, throw salvage drones on there, I have never seen them pull any agro. by the time you clear the room the drones will have salvaged most of the wrecks. I can see leaving the loot, but there is no reason to leave the salvage.
There are of course the rare missions where you are fighting ships from another faction rather than pirates. These missions you have to loot as the tags and loot are the only pay off, the ships have no bounties.
Perhaps your problem is you are just not very efficient with your noctis, you should be able to fully loot and salvage a mission in 10 minutes or less, while running another missions will take 20-30 minutes at best. Even if your loot and salvage is only half the bounty and mission payout, if you do it in less than half the time you are still further ahead to loot and salvage. |
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