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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2013.04.09 21:01:00 -
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My first impression as an Incursion armour FC & looking at the GALL MEGA & AMARR BS's is that I'll be less likey allow such ships in fleets & force them into faction/NAVY BS's
Does the shield BS tiercide look less grim for Incursion runners
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This rebalance thing only for PvP? Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 Disclaimer: CCP Bias is a fictional character. In case that some CCP Bias does exist,-áis he an "ex"-Goon? |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2013.04.10 04:28:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:vyshnegradsky wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:My first impression as an Incursion armour FC & looking at the GALL MEGA & AMARR BS's is that I'll be less likey allow such ships in fleets & force them into faction/NAVY BS's Does the shield BS tiercide look less grim for Incursion runners =========================== This rebalance thing only for PvP? In a PvP game, the ships should be balanced around PvP, not PvE. In a game where you can do both, should they be balanced for both?
Because the DEVs hired are brought overwelmingly from the ranks of the PvPers maybe they arn't balanced lately? Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 Disclaimer: CCP Bias is a fictional character. In case that some CCP Bias does exist,-áis he an "ex"-Goon? |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:25:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote: (snip But it is an obvious trend by CCP of nerfing PVE. I donGÇÖt believe it is intentional, so much as reactionary. And I certainly hope the trend stops soon or the only mission runners in the game will be the ones that didnGÇÖt get into an Incursions fleet.
I beleive this PvE nerfing is intentional and the roots of he intention was sown in CCP Soundwave's Ten Ton Hammer interview were he threatened an across the board 10% reduction in bounties. Instead of a ground shaking Jita monument shoot inspiring single event though what we got here is a slow creep NINJA style PvE nerf. The only ones not affected are the WH sleeper farming residents and those in carriers running Forsakin' Hubs.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:32:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Things are Awesome for PVE'rs right now, or have you not noticed all the Pirate Battleships in incursions fleets lol.
If CCP 'touches' the Navy Battleships like they 'touched' the T1 BS's all you'll see in Incursions are is Pirate Faction BS's, Marauders, logi's & T3's (eg: no more T1's & Navy BS's ) it'll make breaking into incursions an INCREDIBLE hump for those newbies to incursions
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:43:00 -
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Null MDK wrote:My take on it is that for your beginner incursioner the changes to Amarr are mixed (and mild):
1) Abaddon: Not much change here so far just a slight loss of buffer on a tanky ship. This ship has always had cap problems, the typical solution (unless you want rely on your L5 Guards) was to put one or two Energy Discharge rigs on it and/or spend isk on implants. That doesn't change.
2) Apoc: Gets a boost for non-mwd VG fleets with the extra tracking. To a lesser extent, gains the cap problem of the Abaddon. Apoc/Napoc could do MWD fleets fine with the cap bonus. It will now be ill suited for those as well.
3) Armageddon: don't think this ship will be used at all anymore.
TBH, I don't see a lot of T1 Amarr hulls in incursions (Not in the US TZ) anyways. So I doubt this will change much. (snip) .
Good analysis except I think for beginner armour incursioners it'll be more then mild because you are seeing a STEEP drop in T1 BS's in incursions since they started. The price of entry into incursions is going to increase as fleets look at those changes & will only accept Abby's & Apoc's if they have 3 level 5 guards ( or 2 level 5 guards & an onie ) to CAP support them due to the hogs they'll become. The 'geddon? forget it in incursions anymore& if they do the samethings to the Navy 'geddon that too it'll be made fun o just asmuch as Domi's are now in Incursions Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 Disclaimer: CCP Bias is a fictional character. In case that some CCP Bias does exist,-áis he an "ex"-Goon? |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:18:00 -
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Doctor Ape MD wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Things are Awesome for PVE'rs right now, or have you not noticed all the Pirate Battleships in incursions fleets lol.
If CCP 'touches' the Navy Battleships like they 'touched' the T1 BS's all you'll see in Incursions are is Pirate Faction BS's, Marauders, logi's & T3's (eg: no more T1's & Navy BS's ) it'll make breaking into incursions an INCREDIBLE hump for those newbies to incursions Based on the last few paragraphs of this dev blog, it looks like they will definitely be messing with Navy Battleships. And I think the Amarr ships in particular are taking a PvE nerf, at least as far as a newer player is concerned. Cap is already a problem for anyone using Amarr ships to run missions, and they are taking away the cap bonus from the most new player friendly Amarr mission running ship (Apoc).
Armour Incursion fleets been taking it on the chin ever since the Escalation nerf & it keeps getting worse & worse Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 Disclaimer: CCP Bias is a fictional character. In case that some CCP Bias does exist,-áis he an "ex"-Goon? |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:50:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
I'm starting to think you just need something to be afraid of. After the Battleship revamp, if incursion fleets stil accept and routinely use T1 battleships, will you come back to this thread and admit your fears were unfounded?
If I see armour fleets stop bleeding numbers I'll admit my fears were unfounded, I'm not seeing that & its been getting progressively worse
The Mega losing a low for an middle slot made it into more of a shield ship ( that I hear has changed ) And the new Navy Harbi getting an extra mid slot will make shield Harbi's now viable not likey Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 Disclaimer: CCP Bias is a fictional character. In case that some CCP Bias does exist,-áis he an "ex"-Goon? |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2013.04.11 19:07:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
I'm asking again, other than the 'Geddon, what oh so monstrous change is going to mean "NO" Tech1 BS is going to be usable in incursions or other PVE?
CAP issues are going to get worse meaning those amarr ships will need more level 5 guards & the FC has to take it into account. Only balance will be if apoc's will actually be able to hit a renyens & eysters w/o 2 webs on it ( I doubt they will unless BS is trained to V )
Incursions' Escalation nerf VG cursier HP increases SEVERELY affected armour fleets & now they can pretty much only contest in NCO's ( they used to be able to contest in NMC's ). Armour fleets are all but extinct in HQ's & in assaults are an oddity
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2013.04.11 23:30:00 -
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Klymer wrote:Sounds like some people need to get past using cookie cutter fits and learn to adapt.
At first noobs need cookie cutters then adjust to thier lack of skills of couse Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 Disclaimer: CCP Bias is a fictional character. In case that some CCP Bias does exist,-áis he an "ex"-Goon? |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2013.04.11 23:34:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
Thats an issue of Armor vs Shields, not an issue with the battleships. Shiled ships are just better for PVE across the board with armor having a lot of advantages in PVP (if it weren't for Drakes I don't know that you'd see a lot of shield pvp above small gang size, it's just how it is).
You make it sound like some evil conspiracy by CCP to kill Armor incursions when it's simply not, with the exception of the "geddon, none of the changes are gonna kill armor.
Hell, the new Amarr Navy BC might have more HP than some battleships, we might see Incursion Armor Doctrine shift to include those. You never know till the changes hit. not saying the changes are automatically good, but basicallydoomsaying about the end of the Armor world is at best premature.
Before the escaltion nerf there was alot more balance in Incursions the iterations are handicapping them for the worse with Amarr armour fittings is my initial reaction. Do amrmour fitting experts on Gallente, Minnie, Caldari feels the same? Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 Disclaimer: CCP Bias is a fictional character. In case that some CCP Bias does exist,-áis he an "ex"-Goon? |
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