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Tara Read
The Bastards Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.04.12 09:49:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Tara Read wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Tara Read wrote:Better? tl:dr Obviously you have no rebuttal because you are just trying to be a prick about what flavor best serves peoples tastes in this game. The point obviously is to HAVE FUN . Personally I can't understand how people in this game can shoot rocks and rats for hours on end. I'd rather just scam with one of my alts or ransom off a HS pipe gate. It's all rather simple and quite enjoyable! Pity CCP doesn't really promote Piracy as a valid profession especially toward younger players. i am having fun, can't you tell? getting a reaction from you was far too easy.
Oh okay. I was trolling you the whole time and only kidding hurr durr!! Jesus Christ....
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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1294
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Posted - 2013.04.12 09:50:00 -
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What a original and not already discussed to death idea. You sir are a genius in your creativity and ability to deduce a major flaw in Eve Online. I tip my hat to you good sir. Don't Vote for Malcanis
New Eden Training Simulation. -áIdea to improve NPE. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2515
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Posted - 2013.04.12 09:56:00 -
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Tara Read wrote:You really take these forums way too seriously if you didn't at least chuckle. Figures. Everyone's got a stick up their A^%..... But you asked what do I personally contribute? What have I done to leave my mark upon the vastness of time and space? Why I'm the Queen of the Seven Space Lanes my friend. My opponents cry aloud and tremble at the sight of my Hello Kitty painted Vindicator streaking across the stars blaring Cher as round after round of pulsing hot Void collides into their meaty insides spit roasting them and spilling their guts into the vacuum of space. I'm the Terror of Low Sec. The demolisher of Hulks, the Baron of Booty. The Reaper of pods and Bane of all who fly. A strong Solar Wind is always to my back and the glare of dying stars shimmers across my gleaming hull as with devilish grin and malicious lust I descend upon my prey like the sheers to a calf at slaughter. I'm the Wanderer, the Hunter, and the silent Nomad. I answer to no one, heed no call, seek no ally except those who deal in the Devil's Trade of ransom and pillage. I seek no faltering Alliance of fools and weak pitiable wretches whom cling to one another like leper's diseased and my guns are the cure. I only answer to the Jolly Rodger. So Hoist The Colors. For I am a Pirate and Satan's Handmade. What is my contribution to Eve? To ensure Chaos and Terror reign supreme in a universe gone soft. To sow seeds of anger and strife at every turn. To laugh at my enemies suffering even as I profit from their misfortune and ill gotten luck. I'm a wretch and love every second of it. Better?
<3
Saved the thread, which consists mostly of bears flinging the same non-arguments they learned in NPC corp chats ad nauseaum.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Tara Read
The Bastards Shadow Cartel
328
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Posted - 2013.04.12 10:05:00 -
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Roime wrote:Tara Read wrote:You really take these forums way too seriously if you didn't at least chuckle. Figures. Everyone's got a stick up their A^%..... But you asked what do I personally contribute? What have I done to leave my mark upon the vastness of time and space? Why I'm the Queen of the Seven Space Lanes my friend. My opponents cry aloud and tremble at the sight of my Hello Kitty painted Vindicator streaking across the stars blaring Cher as round after round of pulsing hot Void collides into their meaty insides spit roasting them and spilling their guts into the vacuum of space. I'm the Terror of Low Sec. The demolisher of Hulks, the Baron of Booty. The Reaper of pods and Bane of all who fly. A strong Solar Wind is always to my back and the glare of dying stars shimmers across my gleaming hull as with devilish grin and malicious lust I descend upon my prey like the sheers to a calf at slaughter. I'm the Wanderer, the Hunter, and the silent Nomad. I answer to no one, heed no call, seek no ally except those who deal in the Devil's Trade of ransom and pillage. I seek no faltering Alliance of fools and weak pitiable wretches whom cling to one another like leper's diseased and my guns are the cure. I only answer to the Jolly Rodger. So Hoist The Colors. For I am a Pirate and Satan's Handmade. What is my contribution to Eve? To ensure Chaos and Terror reign supreme in a universe gone soft. To sow seeds of anger and strife at every turn. To laugh at my enemies suffering even as I profit from their misfortune and ill gotten luck. I'm a wretch and love every second of it. Better? <3 Saved the thread, which consists mostly of bears flinging the same non-arguments they learned in NPC corp chats ad nauseaum.
Well he wanted my opinion and I gave him my delusional ramblings rattling around in my head But yes I agree. Eve has become too friendly if that's the correct term for it. And because it has become too friendly the core elements of what make Eve appealing have diminished.
I remember reading about Titan kills and gawking at the thought. Or reading reports of Battleship fleets spending hours traveling and maneuvering across null sec just to engage an enemy. Strategy and tact were what made those FC's and fights legendary in my mind.
I remember my first trek into low sec scared out of my mind and being blown up. Luckily that Pirate gave me advise. And I wanted that power over other players that he had. The unpredictability in Eve is what is most appealing. The unknown. Sadly I think with such Coalitions and power blocks it seems that the players have outgrown New Eden.
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
421
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Posted - 2013.04.12 10:07:00 -
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Not gonna happen. You know how many people would rage quit over it? *removed inappropriate signature* - CCP Eterne |
Tara Read
The Bastards Shadow Cartel
328
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Posted - 2013.04.12 10:10:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:Not gonna happen. You know how many people would rage quit over it?
Probably the dozen people who actually sit at their computer instead of AFKing when missioning or mining.... |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
421
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Posted - 2013.04.12 10:14:00 -
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Tara Read wrote:I Love Boobies wrote:Not gonna happen. You know how many people would rage quit over it? Probably the dozen people who actually sit at their computer instead of AFKing when missioning or mining....
Never afked missions nor mining. Guess I am not part of the majority, eh? I have afked cloaking before just to **** people off though. *removed inappropriate signature* - CCP Eterne |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
2288
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Posted - 2013.04.12 10:15:00 -
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I have removed a personal attack from this thread. New Eden Community Representative GÇ+ New Eden Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Caldari Industrialist Association
73
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Posted - 2013.04.12 10:15:00 -
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Mei Sui wrote:Ready the flamethrowers, but I think it's time to consider moving the level 4 agents to low sec.
One of the key tenants of the EVE universe has been the risk to reward scale going from hi-sec to low-sec to null-sec. The farther you go, the greater the rewards. When it comes to... Bad idea. The level 4 mission take way too long for the average player in his PVE fitted ship... longer than an hour on some. They will be tracked down and destroyed. Risk far exceeds rewards, so for most that try... they will die and never go back.
If you are serious about risk/reward and the possibility of getting new players into other areas. Special lowsec, very short, very profitable, low NPC risk missions would be better. Something that paid out high, but only required a Cruise to kill the rats... in five minutes. They will still die (sometimes/often) but their loss will be somewhat insignificant.
Some won't go or won't go back, other will think... that was fun.
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Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
120
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Posted - 2013.04.12 10:19:00 -
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Caitlyn Tufy wrote:Barrogh Habalu wrote:Well then, but let's rebalance those missions for PvP fits. Bonus points for coming up with the idea on how to do that without breaking those missions. Define "without breaking". Imo, missions need a major overhaul in the first place, so a player would be encouraged to bring warp scrams, neuts, ewar, different fits to different missions. They should have more in common with exploration too, for instance breaking into an enemy information center and extracting vital data or smuggling an escaped slave past an amarr blockade or similar.
Truth
Missions in losec (regardless of where the agent is based) need to be based around doing them in PvP fit ships.
Nobody in their right mind is going to go to losec, especially if it's FW losec, in a PvE fit ship to do missions, regardless of the potential reward.
Those not in their right mind (or unwilling to do any research) will do it once then be forever scared of entering losec. The odds of survival are just too low. |
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Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Caldari Industrialist Association
74
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Posted - 2013.04.12 10:25:00 -
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Caitlyn Tufy wrote:... Because there's this (false) belief that the moment you cross the low sec threshold, every pirate in the game will come crashing down on you, taking your hard earned iskies... I will be trying in the future to run L1s and maybe 2 s in low sec with my new toon outfitting in a Slasher with AC... that ship looks fun. I will be annoyed if the rats kill me, I expect a pirate to kill me eventually. My ISK loss will be acceptable.
I will not be taking a fitted BS into Lowsec to run L4s that can take an hour. I will be tracked down and destroyed... at least I hope I would or I will be very disappointed in pirates.
L4s too much risk and they take too long.
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Tara Read
The Bastards Shadow Cartel
329
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Posted - 2013.04.12 10:30:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:Tara Read wrote:I Love Boobies wrote:Not gonna happen. You know how many people would rage quit over it? Probably the dozen people who actually sit at their computer instead of AFKing when missioning or mining.... Never afked missions nor mining. Guess I am not part of the majority, eh? I have afked cloaking before just to **** people off though.
Judging from the people I've ganked you are in the minority |
Sentamon
811
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Posted - 2013.04.12 10:35:00 -
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Mei Sui wrote:Ready the flamethrowers, but I think it's time to consider moving the level 4 agents to low sec.
One of the key tenants of the EVE universe has been the risk to reward scale going from hi-sec to low-sec to null-sec.
Fair enough, so when will gankers and pirates face any sort of risk? Remove 100% safety in stations and hiding behind non-criminal alts and you might have something. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
kes88
Swords of Persephone
22
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Posted - 2013.04.12 10:52:00 -
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Tara Read wrote: 1. Isk generated in Low Sec is far less than just running a level 4 in High Sec in relative safety compared to Low.
2. Null sec offers much greater reward and the safety of a Coalition.
3. Low Sec is comprised mainly of Pirates, Faction Warfare, etc so to a pve player they want no reason to deal with these potential threats.
4. Any affront to pve players which inadvertently puts them at risk to such elements of gameplay is decried as unfair and unjust therefore nothing changes.
So really the stubbornness of these players creates the conundrum of what you have today in which vast Coalitions blue each others for relative safety and isk printing and those who really are introverted and want just a pve game just stay in High Sec. I personally wouldn't have any issue except that the quality of this game suffers due to the stubbornness of those who refuse to accept risk.
You cannot force risk upon these players because you will get the same tired bitchy responses day in and day out. Just like how I'm called every name in the book for suicide ganking some afk miner's Hulk and I'm thought of as the Devil because this person wants nothing to do with the risk mechanic and only wants to AFK mine.
Sadly the only way Low Sec will change is if CCP puts something back into the region that drives people enough to go there. make Anom's profitable as well as the nerfed Drone Sites. Give Low Sec a certain mineral that can only be mined there that is part of T2 production or something.
it forces players to go into these regions for the reward. They weigh the risk and see the reward is greater. Without any reward there is no creation of risk, combat, population etc. These are just some simple steps that need to be taken.
Will they? I've been around since 2004 and I can tell you I'm not holding my breath anytime soon especially with no one in the current CSM directly supporting our gameplay.
I do want to respond to a couple of things you've said here and some other points in this thread:
Firstly, you refer to the 'stubborness of those who refuse to accept risk' - I have two things I want to say about this:
1) Why on earth would someone, in their nice shiny BS want to jump into low and try and mish whilst avoiding being popped when they can have their cake and eat it in high sec. Yes, certainly risk averse, but sensible surely? If you fancy a pint of beer, you're probably gonna go down to your local where you can have a nice quiet pint, than the dodgy end of town pub where you are likely to get beaten up/mugged just so you can have your pint? No L4 missioners wants to deliberately turn themselves into a sitting duck when they are in a pve fit BS.
2) Stubborness is irrelevant. Low sec dwellers are just as stubborn about the fact that they want more targets. Criticising someone for being risk averse in this case is silly, because they don't care that they are being risk averse.
Secondly, I think that although the OP has good intentions - ie by considering the influx of isk brought by missioning but I feel that a lot of the pro-low sec posters in here simply want to have more easy targets. You aren't demanding that more people go to low sec and pvp, you are demanding that more people go to low sec and present themselves as easy targets (I say easy targets because someone missioning is at a disadvantage being in a pve fit)
Thirdly, on a slightly different note, something I always note in these sorts of posts is that people who profess to be suicide gankers or pvpers nearly always argue that they are ganking someone who is afk, presumably to justify the kill. I find it hard to believe that all these people being ganked are all horrid nasty afk players.
Fourthly, has it ever occured to anyone that not all high sec missioners want to stay in high sec all the time? I personally want to mission in hi, but I don't mind going into low/null for other reasons. I simply don't want to waste isk replacing ships that I don't need to lose, because I can mish in high without having to risk getting popped in something expensive.
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Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
23
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Posted - 2013.04.12 11:29:00 -
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kes88 wrote: ~carebear confessions~
After a bit of consideration, I think we should abolish missions altogether. That's right, all of them, everywhere. I don't care if it doesn't make you ever tiptoe out of high sec either. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1124
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Posted - 2013.04.12 11:47:00 -
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Tara Read wrote:Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote:While we're at it just delete high sec entirely. That should solve YOUR needs and desires................. wrong. If that does happen the unsubscribe button isn't too hard to find.
Then unsubscribe. It's not like you contribute something to this game anyways except 15 dollars a month to collect rocks or shoot crosses.... The only reason why CCP refuses to act on this issue is merely subscriptions.
You pays your money, you makes your choice.
It amuses me how some tough-guy, Eve is a sandbox players, want to tell other folk how they should play.
CCP provide the sandbox, the players decide how to use it. This is not a signature. |
Black Cadelanne
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.04.12 11:48:00 -
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L5 are to heavy for OP?
Not soon, not now, never. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1124
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Posted - 2013.04.12 11:48:00 -
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Moneta Curran wrote:kes88 wrote: ~carebear confessions~ After a bit of consideration, I think we should abolish missions altogether. That's right, all of them, everywhere. I don't care if it doesn't make you ever tiptoe out of high sec either.
Don't like missions?
Don't do 'em.
Easy really. This is not a signature. |
Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
23
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Posted - 2013.04.12 11:50:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Fair enough, so when will gankers and pirates face any sort of risk? Remove 100% safety in stations and hiding behind non-criminal alts and you might have something.
What makes you think we are safe from each other out there?
Do you really think the whole of low sec is in the same boat, all merrily camping those high sec gates together, waiting for the lemmings to finally arrive?
Really? |
Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
23
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Posted - 2013.04.12 11:51:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Moneta Curran wrote:kes88 wrote: ~carebear confessions~ After a bit of consideration, I think we should abolish missions altogether. That's right, all of them, everywhere. I don't care if it doesn't make you ever tiptoe out of high sec either. Don't like missions? Don't do 'em. Easy really.
Way to miss the point. |
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kes88
Swords of Persephone
22
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Posted - 2013.04.12 12:15:00 -
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Moneta Curran wrote:kes88 wrote: ~carebear confessions~ After a bit of consideration, I think we should abolish missions altogether. That's right, all of them, everywhere. I don't care if it doesn't make you ever tiptoe out of high sec either.
Not exactly a tempered response...perhaps we should abolish pvp, just because I don't personally like the way YOU play? Hmm?
I strongly suggest you watch this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MZD6-vGQms
The bit you want is at exactly 2: 58. Number of players living in high sec. There is too much isk going into the game (I believe he says 26 Trillion from bounties alone) and there are too few sinks. Further into that particular lecture he goes through the stats on how players make their isk. You might want to look at that.
The vast majority of players choose to live in high sec, making their isk grinding missions whether they say they pvp, or they actually pvp.
I stick by my earlier statements that these sorts of threads frequently descend into pro-low seccers demanding more easy targets.
I'm not saying that it would be a bad thing to get more people into low and null to do more pvp, I'm saying why would anyone mish somewhere where they risk losing their expensive stuffs? Someone mentioned earlier that having mishes in which one could combine pve/pvp fits more easily, maybe in smaller less expensive ships might encourage this, but I'm not making any suggestions. I don't know how to 'fix' this issue, nor do I profess to.
Ultimately, CCP need to find a way to a) encourage (not FORCE) players to pvp, and go into lower sec systems and b) develop greater isk sinks to combat inflation caused by the majority of players earning their isk grinding missions etc I absolutely do not agree that the way to do this is to move L4s to low sec. Do you see what I'm saying now?
(I appreciate that I'm trying to get my point across, but I'm not the *most* articulate person)
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March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
621
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Posted - 2013.04.12 12:21:00 -
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Moneta Curran wrote:kes88 wrote: ~carebear confessions~ ...I think... LIAR.
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Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Caldari Industrialist Association
74
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Posted - 2013.04.12 12:23:00 -
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Tara Read wrote:.... The only reason why CCP refuses to act on this issue is merely subscriptions. Those damn CCP people. Worried about their jobs and feeding their families. What is wrong with them! |
Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
35
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Posted - 2013.04.12 12:38:00 -
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Moneta Curran wrote:kes88 wrote: ~carebear confessions~ After a bit of consideration, I think we should abolish missions altogether. That's right, all of them, everywhere. I don't care if it doesn't make you ever tiptoe out of high sec either. After a bit of consideration, let's abolish PvP altogether. It is just as sensible as your solution. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
528
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Posted - 2013.04.12 12:40:00 -
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Tara Read wrote:Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote:While we're at it just delete high sec entirely. That should solve YOUR needs and desires................. wrong. If that does happen the unsubscribe button isn't too hard to find.
Then unsubscribe. It's not like you contribute something to this game anyways except 15 dollars a month to collect rocks or shoot crosses.... The only reason why CCP refuses to act on this issue is merely subscriptions. And so what if they pay 15 dollars to "collect rocks and shoot crosses"? People aren't playing this game to please you. Thy're not paying $15 to play how you want them to play and do what you want them to do. |
Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
23
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Posted - 2013.04.12 12:42:00 -
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kes88 wrote: (I appreciate that I'm trying to get my point across, but I'm not the *most* articulate person)
Indeed, you could have taken my post with a grain of salt..
I got your point the first time and I never said it wasn't true. I'm just resigned to the fact that nothing will drag some people away from their safe havens and just to to spite them, I would like see their toys taken away from them.
I know this does not amount to a viable business strategy for CCP.
Still, in my opinion, missions in their current state serve no other function than establishing a culture of compulsively hoarding carebears.
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Demica Diaz
The Scope Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.04.12 12:56:00 -
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I honestly do not think that moving level 4 missions to low sec will help at all. People who mission in their expensive ships will not risk to get jumped by 10 pirates in low sec, instead they will grind level 3 missions.
Better sollution would be reduce ammount of ISK you get from level 4 high sec missions vs low sec level 4 missions. But yet again, I dont see even that bringing high sec mission runners to low sec at all.
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kes88
Swords of Persephone
22
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Posted - 2013.04.12 12:58:00 -
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Moneta Curran wrote:kes88 wrote: (I appreciate that I'm trying to get my point across, but I'm not the *most* articulate person) Indeed, you could have taken my post with a grain of salt.. I got your point the first time and I never said it wasn't true. I'm just resigned to the fact that nothing will drag some people away from their safe havens and just to to spite them, I would like see their toys taken away from them. I know this does not amount to a viable business strategy for CCP. Still, in my opinion, missions in their current state serve no other function than establishing a culture of compulsively hoarding carebears.
No, I agree. There is some serious need for balancing the higher levels missions for that exact reason - the compulsively hoarding. Unfortunately, in order to change anything, CCP will probably end up annoying a huge number of us high-seccers in trying to correct the balance. Mainly because we like hoarding... |
Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Caldari Industrialist Association
78
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Posted - 2013.04.12 12:59:00 -
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Moneta Curran wrote:...Still, in my opinion, missions in their current state serve no other function than establishing a culture of compulsively hoarding carebears... Some people like to run missions. The come online with some friends run two or three missions, socialize, make some plans... in game and out... then log off. They are not compulsively hoarding carebears, as they often time have very little in value... be it ships or ISK. They maybe carebears, but the money is made in trading and manufacturing... not grunt work.
I agree that missions need a rework, but you have different types of players running them. Including PvPers.
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Stroumfita
The Chive.
1
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Posted - 2013.04.12 13:14:00 -
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Moving LvL 4s out of high sec will not solve the problem, those who don't want to risk will stay to lvl 3s.
What do you think will make some ppl to move into low sec for lvl 4s when blitzing lvl 3s in NPC 0.0 is more profitable?
And with a cloaky nulli t3 cruiser with some safe spots and some instas is far more safe even from 1.0 space.
Take a look at all the PvE events that EvE can give you, see what profit you the most and then move to your choice. |
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