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Posted - 2013.04.14 18:19:00 -
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Just to answer the questionsGǪGallamoth Sickle wrote:but can someone explain to me how/when eve became a gankers paradise in high sec? 2002 or so. It's been constantly nerfed for that putpose ever since, though, which is why it's an ultra-rare and ridiculously easily avoided event these days.
Quote: I mean how is ok for someone to fly a ship worth a total of maybe 8-10 million take out somoene flying a ship worth 50m? Because ISK is not a balancing factor. So in fact, you're asking the exact wrong question. Really, it should be GÇ£why do you need as much as 8GÇô10M worth of ship to kill 50M GÇö it shouldn't even be a 1/100th of thatGÇ¥.
Quote:So i mean what defense is there? A tank, some support, and paying attention goes a very very long way.
Quote:Why does CCP seem to have buffed destroyers creating a situation that favors the ganker and leaves the ganked almost completely defensless? Because destroyers were horribly underpowered and because the ganked are utterly and completely irrelevant when doing that, since none of their multitudinous defensive options were affected. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
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Posted - 2013.04.14 23:38:00 -
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Gallamoth Sickle wrote:yes you pointed out that i had a kenetic hole but failed to mention they guy ganking me used only thermal damage...... so yea Unless they were using missiles or drones (both utterly horrid ganking weapons, which would require you to be horribly fitted to die to them), they most certainly did not do only thermal damage.
So yeah, no.
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Posted - 2013.04.15 00:26:00 -
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Gallamoth Sickle wrote:The fact that i may or may not survive based on wether or not i have top of the line maxed tank on my 50m retriever to die to a 8m catalyst is not fair Of course it's fair. That's the whole point.
It means you can't just throw money on a problem GÇö something that would make the game horribly unfair if it was the case. Cost is not a balancing factor, and as soon as you fall into the GÇ£more ISK, must be betterGÇ¥ trap, you're running head-long into allowing over-powered things to exist and screwing over everyone who don't want to grind for them.
It's actually the other way around: since you've spent that much money on the ship, you should probably think about trying to protect it so that someone can't come along and blow it up in some cheap throw-away ship. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
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Posted - 2013.04.15 01:24:00 -
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GǪand while we're at it, fun fact: a T1 frigate can kill a Titan in roughly 3-+ hours. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
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Posted - 2013.04.15 13:49:00 -
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Gallamoth Sickle wrote:im talking about the fact that there is nothing you can do to protect say a retriver from a ganker no matter how much tank you put on it. GǪwhich is pure fiction, not a fact. It's easy to protect yourself against a ganker. It's even reasonably easy to protect yourself against two gankers. Three becomes tricky without help, unless you want to restrict yourself to 1.0 systems, but that's as it should be since 3 > 1.
Quote:you people act as though all miners put max yeild builds on then complain when they get ganked Do you know why? Because for as long as I have been in the game, miners have put max yield builds on their barges and exhumers and then complained on the forums when they get ganked. If there are miners who don't do that, they're so few and far inbetween that they fall within the margin of error and we can still quite safely say that all of them do exactly what you describe.
Quote:My complaint is that ganking is so out of control that people make accounts just to destroy other people because the cost to do so is worthless. GǪand you can provide evidence to back these claims up, I suppose? It would be very interesting to see, considering how increasingly rare ganks have become over the years.
Quote:My point is that maybe if it didnt cost a worthless amount of money to blow up miners flying stuff that is so outragiously more expensive the game would be more friendly to people that dont have the skills to fly a mackinaw or the 150-200 million to buy one. It already is. They just have to learn to fly and fit intelligently and not try to rely on SP and ISK to protect them. Numbers and location and scouting will help them far more (and teach them far better lessons) than going for the most inefficient GÇö and ultimately counter-productive GÇö way of staying safe.
Quote:I dont think thats fair i think if your rational you would not think its fair either. I'm quite rational, yes, which is why I recognise it as horribly unfair if you could simply throw ISK at a problem to make it go away. Fortunately, CCP have largely left the idea of ISK as a balancing factor behind them. These days, ISK buys you marginal improvements in a single are GÇö e.g. the more expensive exhumers are better at mining than the less expensive barges GÇö which is already a bit too much.
Since a mining ship costs 50M, you should take care to protect it, and the game offers a multitude of means of doing so GÇö making it more expensive just happens not to be one of them. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
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Posted - 2013.04.15 15:23:00 -
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Selene Nask wrote:I'm now a miner that fits for maximum yield when in HS. Why? It's not because I don't know better. It's because getting ganked happens so rarely that even if it does the cost of getting a new barge is outweighed by the amount of ore I regularly bring in. Its a loss easily absorbed. I knowingly increase risk for yield and chosen to take the consequences of doing so. It's the balance between personal risk and reward that makes EVE interesting to me and the game gives a player oodles of choice in deciding where the balance point is for them. Welcome to EVE. You'll love it here! Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
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Posted - 2013.04.15 16:39:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:I always get yelled at when I include "accept the risks and move on" on my list of valid ways to deal with ganking.
Why do you get a pass? Because you're a nasty ebil psychopath nullbear ganker who is only out to trick people with your venal lies, whereas he is a cuddly-wuddly and trusty highsec miner who is trying to protect his oppressed brethren. Duh! Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
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Posted - 2013.04.15 18:13:00 -
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Selene Nask wrote:She is....
I'm one of those weird and rare humans in EVE that has RL boobs. Having gone to fanfest on a number of occasions, I can tell you that, unfortunately, they're not nearly as rare as the Y-chromosome distribution of players might lend you to believeGǪ Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
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Posted - 2013.04.15 19:06:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:You sure you didn't spot manboobs? Of course they were. That doesn't take away from their being RL boobs.
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Posted - 2013.04.15 20:43:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:shame i'm too lazy to check, because i guarantee he'd have probably got more ehp out of bulkheads and shield rigs. Of course. Both against blasters and omni damage. The downside is that it also fits an MLUGǪ oh wait. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
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