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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.04.15 16:17:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Can a supporting Orca use warfare link for shield/armor instead of the cap usage and range for laser for example? That would technically help in a fleet right? Yes they can, well at least 1, I have never tried more than one warfare link on an orca. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null. |
Weetabix Kedgeree
Digital Phenomenon
0
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Posted - 2013.04.15 16:24:00 -
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Just wanted to say that it is more then possible to tank a single ganger, my alt was afk mining yesterday when someone tried it, he had T2 drones out, in a .6 system, and i came back to a nice 900k bounty, full shsields and 72% hull left :)
Now im fully aware that i was lucky, and my poor retriver would have been dust against 2 gangers, but im happy i survived and even gained out of it :) |
Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2013.04.15 16:26:00 -
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There is some fascinating information in that post about the way bonuses are applied that the OP, in particular, definitely, definitely needs to read. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.04.15 16:27:00 -
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Selene Nask wrote:I'm now a miner that fits for maximum yield when in HS. Why? It's not because I don't know better. It's because getting ganked happens so rarely that even if it does the cost of getting a new barge is outweighed by the amount of ore I regularly bring in. Its a loss easily absorbed. I knowingly increase risk for yield and chosen to take the consequences of doing so. It's the balance between personal risk and reward that makes EVE interesting to me and the game gives a player oodles of choice in deciding where the balance point is for them.
I always get yelled at when I include "accept the risks and move on" on my list of valid ways to deal with ganking.
Why do you get a pass? This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13601
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Posted - 2013.04.15 16:39:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:I always get yelled at when I include "accept the risks and move on" on my list of valid ways to deal with ganking.
Why do you get a pass? Because you're a nasty ebil psychopath nullbear ganker who is only out to trick people with your venal lies, whereas he is a cuddly-wuddly and trusty highsec miner who is trying to protect his oppressed brethren. Duh! Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Hayz Hayward
Heretic Army Atrocitas
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Posted - 2013.04.15 16:43:00 -
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http://kb.heretic-army.biz/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=61044
If you do this, you're gonna have a bad time.
As for miner ganking, yes, it can be easy, but only because pilots like you make it easy for us
Hayz |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
368
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Posted - 2013.04.15 16:43:00 -
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Tippia wrote:RubyPorto wrote:I always get yelled at when I include "accept the risks and move on" on my list of valid ways to deal with ganking.
Why do you get a pass? Because you're a nasty ebil psychopath nullbear ganker who is only out to trick people with your venal lies, whereas he is a cuddly-wuddly and trusty highsec miner who is trying to protect his oppressed brethren. Duh!
You forgot the membership in a NPC corp... NPC corp player are the most reliable ones. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
8031
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Posted - 2013.04.15 17:21:00 -
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DelBoy Trades wrote:I couldn't care less about gankers ganking miners in hisec, doesn't bother me, but one must pose the question, if someone is so intent on killing people, why not just move to low/null?
inb4 James315 bullshit. If all the gankers moved to lowsec and nullsec, highsec would be a very boring place to be.
Suicide ganking is one of the only methods of warfare that can be applied to NPC corp members like the OP and his ilk, players hiding behind a whopping great dec shield. NPC corps are for all intents and purposes immune to interference from players, people can't disband them, can't steal their corporate assets, can't wardec them, can't awox them etc. A war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Selene Nask
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.15 17:43:00 -
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Tippia wrote:RubyPorto wrote:I always get yelled at when I include "accept the risks and move on" on my list of valid ways to deal with ganking.
Why do you get a pass? Because you're a nasty ebil psychopath nullbear ganker who is only out to trick people with your venal lies, whereas he is a cuddly-wuddly and trusty highsec miner who is trying to protect his oppressed brethren. Duh!
She is....
I'm one of those weird and rare humans in EVE that has RL boobs.
I know, I know, pictures or it isn't true, there are no girls on the intrawebs, blah blah....heard everyone before.
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Haulie Berry
392
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Posted - 2013.04.15 17:50:00 -
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I am pretty sure that, in the entire history of Eve, never once has it been a bad thing that a ship blew up.
Explosions are always good. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.04.15 18:13:00 -
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Selene Nask wrote:She is....
I'm one of those weird and rare humans in EVE that has RL boobs. Having gone to fanfest on a number of occasions, I can tell you that, unfortunately, they're not nearly as rare as the Y-chromosome distribution of players might lend you to believeGǪ Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
368
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Posted - 2013.04.15 19:03:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Selene Nask wrote:She is....
I'm one of those weird and rare humans in EVE that has RL boobs. Having gone to fanfest on a number of occasions, I can tell you that, unfortunately, they're not nearly as rare as the Y-chromosome distribution of players might lend you to believeGǪ
You sure you didn't spot manboobs? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13603
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Posted - 2013.04.15 19:06:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:You sure you didn't spot manboobs? Of course they were. That doesn't take away from their being RL boobs.
Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
The CandyGirl
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2013.04.15 19:13:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote:Ganking is basicly EvE with Easy-mode on. Why actually go looking for actual PvP targets elsewhere in the game, when you've got yourself unlimited risk-free targets floating around highsec, that don't shoot back? Better still, most of their targets are unwilling and/or uninterested in PvP, and thus are completely unprepaired for sudden ganking. As long as these gankers make sure their target is worth more than the cost of the ships used, they win. Then again, some of them do it just for the hell of it, or to make their pathetic killboards increase.
Worst of all, they all rant their highsec-hating rhetoric to justify their position. They've already made lowsec into a wasteland, and taught new players and carebears alike that traveling there is a death-sentence, and so now they've moved to highsec. As far as their concerned, their gameplay is the only gameplay, and everyone should conform to their opinion.
Though i won't go as far as saying that ganking should be impossible in highsec, i definately think it should be made harder and/or less profitable. Cause lets face it, these L33T PvPers wouldn't know real PvP if it came up and smacked them in the face with a fish. And ultimately their selfish actions prevent players natural progression out of highsec to other areas
not everyone cares about "gud fights"
only non pirates and non gankers refer to suicide ganking and pirating as pvp... it is killing and taking yo stuff.
pirates and suicide gankers kill for 2 reasons and only 2 reasons
profit
and
tears
we could care less about anything else
also if you are to stupid to not know how to 100% safely travel in high sec in ANY ship (minus freighters) that is your own damn problem.
so qq more Being a smartass is always better than being a dumbass! |
Lenda Shinhwa
New Order Logistics CODE.
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Posted - 2013.04.15 19:34:00 -
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Well isn't this just precious. I guess its all my fault. Picking on the OP and all:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17231438
But wait.. what is this from the chat logs just 2 days earlier.....
[ 2013.04.11 19:39:07 ] Gallamoth Sickle > Lenda Shinhwa what are you gunan do about it i think your permits are a joke and i think your a joke too? [ 2013.04.11 19:39:53 ] Gallamoth Sickle > Lenda Shinhwa why dont you just shut up ur a worthless player with empty threats
So methinks OP doth protest to much.
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Dave Stark
2592
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Posted - 2013.04.15 19:39:00 -
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Lenda Shinhwa wrote:Well isn't this just precious. I guess its all my fault. Picking on the OP and all: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17231438But wait.. what is this from the chat logs just 2 days earlier..... [ 2013.04.11 19:39:07 ] Gallamoth Sickle > Lenda Shinhwa what are you gunan do about it i think your permits are a joke and i think your a joke too? [ 2013.04.11 19:39:53 ] Gallamoth Sickle > Lenda Shinhwa why dont you just shut up ur a worthless player with empty threats So methinks OP doth protest to much.
am... am i really looking at an armour tanked retriever? |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
368
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Posted - 2013.04.15 20:02:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Lenda Shinhwa wrote:Well isn't this just precious. I guess its all my fault. Picking on the OP and all: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17231438But wait.. what is this from the chat logs just 2 days earlier..... [ 2013.04.11 19:39:07 ] Gallamoth Sickle > Lenda Shinhwa what are you gunan do about it i think your permits are a joke and i think your a joke too? [ 2013.04.11 19:39:53 ] Gallamoth Sickle > Lenda Shinhwa why dont you just shut up ur a worthless player with empty threats So methinks OP doth protest to much. am... am i really looking at an armour tanked retriever?
Bonus points for effort? I meant it's more tank than a full set of MLU... |
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
61
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Posted - 2013.04.15 20:13:00 -
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March rabbit wrote: Why not gank in HS? I dunno. Just few ideas: - it's boring like mission running - it's repetitive like mission running - it doesn't give anything thrilling after 10 first ganks (unless you like to do repetitive tasks but then you better run missions for better reward)
Few things in life don't end up being boring and repetitive. However, not all miners are bots, where all mission rats are bots. Therefore the occasional non-bot can surprise you bringing nice twists into the equation. That makes it slightly less boring and repetitive than missions.
But the issue with your post is the "better rewards" part.
You see, it only works if you interpret rewards as ISK. Where a ganker would interpret rewards as Tears. And red crosses give no tears at all. Therefore your statement is false. A ganker is better off shooting barges than crosses if he is after rewards.
March rabbit wrote: - it's doesn't make ganker any more experienced in PvP (because they mostly deal with defenseless targets and invulnerable CONCORD) - ...
Learning fleet movement, coordination, aggression rules, picking the correct target from a crowd, optimal range, getting used to inevitably losing the ship, saving your pod.
A new player should clearly not do such things as it does not give them PvP experience and they should fatten their bankroll with missions instead.
March rabbit wrote: Why not go where the targets are? - Because targets are everywhere? And the only difference between untanked miners and targets in low/WH/0.0 is: defence and effort? And skills needed?
If targets are everywhere and the ones near me are the easiest to find, why would I travel and hunt for something staring me in the face?
Furthermore, these targets give the best "rewards". And by rewards I mean Tears. Since the ones I find after extensive travel are more likely to give me a GF than tears.
March rabbit wrote:Why not go where you can reliably make money shooting people if you're careful and they're not? - Because Eve Online is a game and not first/second job? Spending time in Eve to make ISK is just pity. Game is for fun and not for grinding stuff. I'm glad you do, in fact, get it.
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Dave Stark
2592
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Posted - 2013.04.15 20:13:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Lenda Shinhwa wrote:Well isn't this just precious. I guess its all my fault. Picking on the OP and all: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17231438But wait.. what is this from the chat logs just 2 days earlier..... [ 2013.04.11 19:39:07 ] Gallamoth Sickle > Lenda Shinhwa what are you gunan do about it i think your permits are a joke and i think your a joke too? [ 2013.04.11 19:39:53 ] Gallamoth Sickle > Lenda Shinhwa why dont you just shut up ur a worthless player with empty threats So methinks OP doth protest to much. am... am i really looking at an armour tanked retriever? Bonus points for effort? I meant it's more tank than a full set of MLU...
"i know, let's take the lowest tanking stat, and use that as my method of tanking" shame i'm too lazy to check, because i guarantee he'd have probably got more ehp out of bulkheads and shield rigs. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13604
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Posted - 2013.04.15 20:43:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:shame i'm too lazy to check, because i guarantee he'd have probably got more ehp out of bulkheads and shield rigs. Of course. Both against blasters and omni damage. The downside is that it also fits an MLUGǪ oh wait. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.04.15 20:44:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Dave Stark wrote:shame i'm too lazy to check, because i guarantee he'd have probably got more ehp out of bulkheads and shield rigs. Of course. Both against blasters and omni damage. The downside is that it also fits an MLUGǪ oh wait.
he didn't have mlus anyway.
but it's a retriever, so i'd have personally fit MLUs and not been bothered in the slightest when such a cheap ship got consigned to the scrap heap. |
Lenda Shinhwa
New Order Logistics CODE.
1
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Posted - 2013.04.15 21:15:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Lenda Shinhwa wrote:Well isn't this just precious. I guess its all my fault. Picking on the OP and all: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17231438But wait.. what is this from the chat logs just 2 days earlier..... [ 2013.04.11 19:39:07 ] Gallamoth Sickle > Lenda Shinhwa what are you gunan do about it i think your permits are a joke and i think your a joke too? [ 2013.04.11 19:39:53 ] Gallamoth Sickle > Lenda Shinhwa why dont you just shut up ur a worthless player with empty threats So methinks OP doth protest to much. am... am i really looking at an armour tanked retriever? Bonus points for effort? I meant it's more tank than a full set of MLU... "i know, let's take the lowest tanking stat, and use that as my method of tanking" shame i'm too lazy to check, because i guarantee he'd have probably got more ehp out of bulkheads and shield rigs.
Mining in a retriver in Balle (0.5) is a death wish. No tank would save it. I don't know why people do it without having a permit from the New Order at least. Which is what I tried to explain to Gallamoth, but instead he challenged me to a duel. Permit tank = best tank. |
Dave Stark
2594
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Posted - 2013.04.15 21:17:00 -
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Lenda Shinhwa wrote:Mining in a retriver in Balle (0.5) is a death wish. No tank would save it. I don't know why people do it without having a permit from the New Order at least. Which is what I tried to explain to Gallamoth, but instead he challenged me to a duel. Permit tank = best tank.
i found an even better tank was just mining afk totally regardless because gankers are actually that rare they can successfully be ignored.
my max yield setups have paid for themselves many times over, and if i didn't visit the forums i wouldn't even know miner ganking existed.
*shrug* |
Capt Starfox
New Order Logistics CODE.
419
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Posted - 2013.04.16 03:59:00 -
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Gallamoth Sickle wrote:
I mean how is ok for someone to fly a ship worth a total of maybe 8-10 million take out somoene flying a ship worth 50m?
You're numbers are wrong, base price for a fitted tech-II Cat (bottom of the barrel gank boat) is 15m. A Retriever can withstand one of these in a gank... if fitted properly of course.
Gallamoth Sickle wrote: I have read posts about people losing their orcas to ganks in high sec by several people all combined maybe flying ships that total 80-100 million (8-10 ships) or even less taking out a ship worth well over 1 bill full fitted? Again, numbers are wrong. And the ppl who lose their Orcas are idiots and deserve it.
Gallamoth Sickle wrote:So i mean what defense is there? when orcas are dropped by a few well organized pilots flying cheap ships? I guess you could tank up your mackinaw but it only means what.... the ganker gets 2 of his friends to take out your 200mil ship by risking 10 mill a pilot? About the defense, you should read more instead of coming to the forums to cry. And by a "few" people you mean 4 Talos' right? A fitted tech-II Talos also being about 130m, right?
Gallamoth Sickle wrote:I am all for ganks in high sec but the the cost to gank somoene is pennies on the dollar compared to what the ganked loses its just not fair at all. This game just seems to be going down the toilet rapidly in the latest years. New players dont stand a chance agianst the EVE lifers that run multiple accounts and throw 10's of millions away on catalyst losses just to destroy people. You're not all for ganking, stop lying. For anyone who can't handle Eve, WoW ---------->
Gallamoth Sickle wrote:Why does CCP seem to have buffed destroyers creating a situation that favors the ganker and leaves the ganked almost completely defensless? Even aligning to gate, mining in .7 and above, being at the computer, D-scanning constantly you still run a better chance of dieing than not if you find your self chosen by a ganker. You must be new around here, this is nowhere near factual. Psychotic Monk for CSM 8 |
Frying Doom
2339
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Posted - 2013.04.16 04:12:00 -
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Lenda Shinhwa wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Lenda Shinhwa wrote:Well isn't this just precious. I guess its all my fault. Picking on the OP and all: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17231438But wait.. what is this from the chat logs just 2 days earlier..... [ 2013.04.11 19:39:07 ] Gallamoth Sickle > Lenda Shinhwa what are you gunan do about it i think your permits are a joke and i think your a joke too? [ 2013.04.11 19:39:53 ] Gallamoth Sickle > Lenda Shinhwa why dont you just shut up ur a worthless player with empty threats So methinks OP doth protest to much. am... am i really looking at an armour tanked retriever? Bonus points for effort? I meant it's more tank than a full set of MLU... "i know, let's take the lowest tanking stat, and use that as my method of tanking" shame i'm too lazy to check, because i guarantee he'd have probably got more ehp out of bulkheads and shield rigs. Mining in a retriver in Balle (0.5) is a death wish. No tank would save it. I don't know why people do it without having a permit from the New Order at least. Which is what I tried to explain to Gallamoth, but instead he challenged me to a duel. Permit tank = best tank. Screw the new order, when I have to worry about them ganking 127k ehp skiff, profitably then I would consider them a threat.
Also in response to another thread, how do they profitably gank a 270k ehp orca?
You are working on risk vs reward. You want a higher reward (Yield) then you are accepting a higher risk. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null. |
baltec1
Bat Country
5994
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Posted - 2013.04.16 06:30:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:
Also in response to another thread, how do they profitably gank a 270k ehp orca?
Hulks in the hold. |
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts Hegemonous Pandorum
142
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Posted - 2013.04.16 06:52:00 -
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[quote=Frying Doom Screw the new order, when I have to worry about them ganking 127k ehp skiff, profitably then I would consider them a threat.
Also in response to another thread, how do they profitably gank a 270k ehp orca?
You are working on risk vs reward. You want a higher reward (Yield) then you are accepting a higher risk.[/quote]
If you look through New Order Logistics or other affiliated groups and look at their orca kills a good portion of the orcas are anti-tanked rather than being tanked. for some reason, despite the massive holds on an orca, people grab some expanded IIs to go in the lows. On a ship whose EHP is almost all in the structure.
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