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baltec1
Bat Country
5950
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Posted - 2013.04.14 14:26:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:
probably the part where that doesn't apply to your main.
You must be new here. |
Funky Lazers
shin-ra ltd
243
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Posted - 2013.04.14 14:27:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Instead of picking on people in highsec who can't fight back and don't want to PVP?
I mean, the mining barges, PVE fit ships, etc that get blown up in low/null/wh space aren't anywhere as near as weak and defenseless as the mining barges and PVE ships in highsec, and they totally wanted me to drop a sb gang on them and kill their ship and pod, so it's ok if I gank them in low/null/wh space, but in highsec? Wow thats just griefing basically!
In case you didn't get it, sarcasm. I'm saying this "go to low/null/wh to pvp" line is stupid.
Because otherwise they will get their -¦ss kicked in null/low by people who can shoot back. Whatever. |
baltec1
Bat Country
5950
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Posted - 2013.04.14 14:30:00 -
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Funky Lazers wrote:
Because otherwise they will get their -¦ss kicked in null/low by people who can shoot back.
That must be why we dont own the best moons in the galaxy... |
Akuyaku
Brave Newbies Inc.
22
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Posted - 2013.04.14 14:49:00 -
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Funky Lazers wrote: Because otherwise they will get their -¦ss kicked in null/low by people who can shoot back.
But the people in low/null DON'T shoot back. They just dock up. People in highsec seldom check local for baddies/ go afk a lot. Whereas people in low/null dock the moment a non-blue enters system. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
986
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Posted - 2013.04.14 14:50:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:
probably the part where that doesn't apply to your main.
You must be new here.
I think last time i was -10 it took me a week playing a few hours in the evening to get it back above 1.0 and that was doing it in completely neut null space.Unlike you i couldn't choose from what 4 or 5 regions to safely do my grinding in?
And with that i also risked my clone wich was a full slave set btw and a ship EVEN MORE expensive then a cata .. OMG I KNOW , i must be the king of the risktakers.
Wait wait best part comes .... AND IT SURVIVED till i had to go out of null again BUT the pod was intact.
They should crown me king bigballs and put me as the leader of you guys.I would call you small spaceballs ..... and that shall be thou name till those balls drop in.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3216
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Posted - 2013.04.14 14:54:00 -
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99.9% of the gankers out there hide their outlaw asses in station, or in pods next to their ships, relying on neutral alts to do the work for them, who sit around at a gate all day.
Stupid noobs and *definitely* cowards !
The only thing that's actually worth complaining about, though, is the fact that all those carebears who whine about gankers being cowards don't actually do anything to get rid of them, thus making themselves look even worse. |
Prince Kobol
694
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Posted - 2013.04.14 14:54:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:flakeys wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:For them and their low-risk playstyle Ganker talking bout low-risk playstyle .... did you forget to put another ''sarcasm offfcourse'' as in the OP below this one ? What part of concord will kill you, sec loss, open to being attacked from everyone else, not having the cargo/loot drop and having a killright on your head that can be claimed at any time is low risk?
I love it when goons try to make ganking sound so dangerous.
I have ganked lots of mining ships on various accounts and I'm nothing but a big cuddly scrub noob carebear.
Lets cover a few of the points you raised.
Open to attack from anybody else.. well nothing like having a few safe spots or a orca ready to poop out a ship that you can jump into and cloak to negate that risk.
Kill right.. let see, if one is made available (which most of the time they aren't) then all you need is a friend\alt in a different corp + 1 noob ship and wave goodbye to the kill right.
Looting the wreck.. not really worth it but again a alt in a insta warp ship will do the trick fine.
So yeah when even a cuddly carebear scrub noob like me can gank people the risk is pretty damn low lol.
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3216
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Posted - 2013.04.14 14:55:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:baltec1 wrote:flakeys wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:For them and their low-risk playstyle Ganker talking bout low-risk playstyle .... did you forget to put another ''sarcasm offfcourse'' as in the OP below this one ? What part of concord will kill you, sec loss, open to being attacked from everyone else, not having the cargo/loot drop and having a killright on your head that can be claimed at any time is low risk? I love it when goons try to make ganking sound so dangerous. I have ganked lots of mining ships on various accounts and I'm nothing but a big cuddly scrub noob carebear. Lets cover a few of the points you raised. Open to attack from anybody else.. well nothing like having a few safe spots or a orca ready to poop out a ship that you can jump into and cloak to negate that risk. Kill right.. let see, if one is made available (which most of the time they aren't) then all you need is a friend\alt in a different corp + 1 noob ship and wave goodbye to the kill right. Looting the wreck.. not really worth it but again a alt in a insta warp ship will do the trick fine. So yeah when even a cuddly carebear scrub noob like me can gank people the risk is pretty damn low lol. You moron, there are more things to gank than worthless piece of trash in mining barges. |
baltec1
Bat Country
5950
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Posted - 2013.04.14 14:56:00 -
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flakeys wrote:baltec1 wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:
probably the part where that doesn't apply to your main.
You must be new here. I think last time i was -10 it took me a week playing a few hours in the evening to get it back above 1.0 and that was doing it in completely neut null space.Unlike you i couldn't choose from what 4 or 5 regions to safely do my grinding in? And with that i also risked my clone wich was a full slave set btw and a ship EVEN MORE expensive then a cata .. OMG I KNOW , i must be the king of the risktakers. Wait wait best part comes .... AND IT SURVIVED till i had to go out of null again BUT the pod was intact. They should crown me king bigballs and put me as the leader of you guys.I would call you small spaceballs ..... and that shall be thou name till those balls drop in.
You wasted your time. We dont even bother grinding our sec back, people in high sec are far too cowardly to attack us. |
Prince Kobol
694
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Posted - 2013.04.14 14:58:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:baltec1 wrote:flakeys wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:For them and their low-risk playstyle Ganker talking bout low-risk playstyle .... did you forget to put another ''sarcasm offfcourse'' as in the OP below this one ? What part of concord will kill you, sec loss, open to being attacked from everyone else, not having the cargo/loot drop and having a killright on your head that can be claimed at any time is low risk? I love it when goons try to make ganking sound so dangerous. I have ganked lots of mining ships on various accounts and I'm nothing but a big cuddly scrub noob carebear. Lets cover a few of the points you raised. Open to attack from anybody else.. well nothing like having a few safe spots or a orca ready to poop out a ship that you can jump into and cloak to negate that risk. Kill right.. let see, if one is made available (which most of the time they aren't) then all you need is a friend\alt in a different corp + 1 noob ship and wave goodbye to the kill right. Looting the wreck.. not really worth it but again a alt in a insta warp ship will do the trick fine. So yeah when even a cuddly carebear scrub noob like me can gank people the risk is pretty damn low lol. There are more things to gank than worthless piece of trash in mining barges.
Yeah hit a couple of haulers afk'ing towards gates, nothing like a T2 indy ship fitted right to do the job :) |
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baltec1
Bat Country
5950
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Posted - 2013.04.14 14:59:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:
Unlike most people I don't try and come up with a number of in depth and psychological reasons why I gank people, I do because there are times I enjoy being a **** and because I can, it really is that simple.
We gank because it makes us rich. Its the victims who feel the need to find some psychological flaw that makes us do it. |
Prince Kobol
694
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:02:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
Unlike most people I don't try and come up with a number of in depth and psychological reasons why I gank people, I do because there are times I enjoy being a **** and because I can, it really is that simple.
We gank because it makes us rich. Its the victims who feel the need to find some psychological flaw that makes us do it.
Thats grand, it really is, just stop trying to make sound like its the most dangerous and difficult activity in Eve, the truth is it isn't dangerous and it isn't difficult.. bloody good fun yes, dangerous and difficult, not even close :) |
baltec1
Bat Country
5950
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:05:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:
Thats grand, it really is, just stop trying to make sound like its the most dangerous and difficult activity in Eve, the truth is it isn't dangerous and it isn't difficult.. bloody good fun yes, dangerous and difficult, not even close :)
Its hardly risk free though. There are plenty of drawbacks but its not our fault the people of highsec dont utilise the many options to make us feel pain. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
986
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:12:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:baltec1 wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
Unlike most people I don't try and come up with a number of in depth and psychological reasons why I gank people, I do because there are times I enjoy being a **** and because I can, it really is that simple.
We gank because it makes us rich. Its the victims who feel the need to find some psychological flaw that makes us do it. Thats grand, it really is, just stop trying to make sound like its the most dangerous and difficult activity in Eve, the truth is it isn't dangerous and it isn't difficult.. bloody good fun yes, dangerous and difficult, not even close :)
Finally someone who get's what it's about.See it ain't THAT hard just saying it ain't difficult but you just enjoy it.I don't hate ganking or griefing or scamming it's all part of eve and should NEVER be removed.
Just stop pretending it's more then what it is like baltec does.Now he says ''yeah it's bout profit'' then in another post he'll claim there is no profit's gained as they can't take the loot then in another post it'll be all about teaching people bout high-sec risk ....
Offcourse some people speak their own mind and some people need to follow the doctrine ...
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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baltec1
Bat Country
5950
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:19:00 -
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flakeys wrote:
Just stop pretending it's more then what it is like baltec does.Now he says ''yeah it's bout profit'' then in another post he'll claim there is no profit's gained as they can't take the loot then in another post it'll be all about teaching people bout high-sec risk ....
Its called context, look it up sometime. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7446
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:22:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Thats grand, it really is, just stop trying to make sound like its the most dangerous and difficult activity in Eve, the truth is it isn't dangerous and it isn't difficult.. bloody good fun yes, dangerous and difficult, not even close :)
yep thanks for making it easy mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Prince Kobol
695
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:27:00 -
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Andski wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Thats grand, it really is, just stop trying to make sound like its the most dangerous and difficult activity in Eve, the truth is it isn't dangerous and it isn't difficult.. bloody good fun yes, dangerous and difficult, not even close :) yep thanks for making it easy
How am I making it easy?
(Beware I am confused easily as I am nothing but a scrub noob cuddly care bear ) |
baltec1
Bat Country
5950
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:30:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:How am I making it easy? (Beware I am confused easily as I am nothing but a scrub noob cuddly care bear )
It was a general comment aimed at all of high sec. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
986
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:39:00 -
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What they mean kobol is that it is hard for them to find their own words.The whole doctrine thing i just said above makes the brain a bit dead on inspirational thoughts.
As such they would like to thank you for speaking so that they could just quote it with their thumbs up.
It's a bit like you'd have with 4 year olds .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4567
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Posted - 2013.04.14 16:17:00 -
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Akuyaku wrote:Funky Lazers wrote: Because otherwise they will get their -¦ss kicked in null/low by people who can shoot back.
But the people in low/null DON'T shoot back. They just dock up. People in highsec seldom check local for baddies/ go afk a lot. Whereas people in low/null dock the moment a non-blue enters system. I don't know about you, but the moment someone enters my system I undock and try to find the guy. Unless of course I'm ratting, in which case docking up is just plain common sense - fighting in a ratting ship isn't brave, it's stupid. Malcanis for CSM 8 Module activation timers are buggy - CCP please fix |
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Seven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
143
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Posted - 2013.04.14 16:20:00 -
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because why fly around for around in nullsec ow low when you can just go into any system anywhere in hi and there's a target |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4567
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Posted - 2013.04.14 16:21:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:baltec1 wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
Unlike most people I don't try and come up with a number of in depth and psychological reasons why I gank people, I do because there are times I enjoy being a **** and because I can, it really is that simple.
We gank because it makes us rich. Its the victims who feel the need to find some psychological flaw that makes us do it. Thats grand, it really is, just stop trying to make sound like its the most dangerous and difficult activity in Eve, the truth is it isn't dangerous and it isn't difficult.. bloody good fun yes, dangerous and difficult, not even close :) He's not really saying it's hard. There aren't really that many things in EVE that are. Dragging and dropping things though, is like a nightmare, but then again my mouse is kind of dying so that's probably why. Malcanis for CSM 8 Module activation timers are buggy - CCP please fix |
Tasha Saisima
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.04.14 16:21:00 -
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they have to stay in hi-sec because they are basically pvp carebears |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
986
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Posted - 2013.04.14 16:23:00 -
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Tasha Saisima wrote:they have to stay in hi-sec because they are basically pvp carebears
The only place where they have a chance to kill something using less then 5 people.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1219
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Posted - 2013.04.14 16:46:00 -
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To all the people discussing the risk (or what you feel is the lack thereof) for gankers/war deccers in highsec, the point I was trying to make in the first part is that in a lot of cases the risk the aggressor faces in low and null is pretty much the same. If a couple of people in stealth bombers go after a ratting bs or a mining barge in low/null the risk the ratter/miner poses to them isn't any greater than a ratter/miner in highsec
Which, to me, makes the "go to low/null" argument feel pretty silly, because being in low/null doesn't inherently make fights any fairer, anymore invited, or anything else.
More than a few highseccers seem to think that everyone in low/null are l33t pvpers who are itching for a fight 23.5/7 - that's not true, there are plenty of carebears there too (search "AFK Cloak" and you'll see just how many...), so to me all areas of space seem pretty much the same: There are soft targets everywhere, people who don't want me to kill them everywhere, people who surprise you and put up a good fight and even win sometimes everywhere, etc
The idea that one part of space is for pvp and another is for pve is wrong. That's not how the mechanics work, it never has been, it never SHOULD be. It's a massive, horrible misunderstanding that some players have. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
596
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Posted - 2013.04.14 17:12:00 -
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Andski wrote:the whole "lowsec/null are for PvP, hisec isn't" mentality is driven by CCP's coddling of the worst players in the game
until that coddling ends and they are less sheltered from the realities of eve that mentality will continue to be prevalent
Dictating the realities of EvE again?
The reality is, CCP cannot survive on alts forever, which means they need to bring in more new players. With the number of griefers in the game, CCP has no choice but to make it harder for them.
Easy to understand for a logical person.....
The single biggest danger to EVE is the proliferation of ALTS! Kill an alt today!
Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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Skeln Thargensen
Filthy Carebear Tax Avoidance Shell Corp
98
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Posted - 2013.04.14 17:20:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:To all the people discussing the risk (or what you feel is the lack thereof) for gankers/war deccers in highsec, the point I was trying to make in the first part is that in a lot of cases the risk the aggressor faces in low and null is pretty much the same. If a couple of people in stealth bombers go after a ratting bs or a mining barge in low/null the risk the ratter/miner poses to them isn't any greater than a ratter/miner in highsec
Which, to me, makes the "go to low/null" argument feel pretty silly, because being in low/null doesn't inherently make fights any fairer, anymore invited, or anything else.
More than a few highseccers seem to think that everyone in low/null are l33t pvpers who are itching for a fight 23.5/7 - that's not true, there are plenty of carebears there too (search "AFK Cloak" and you'll see just how many...), so to me all areas of space seem pretty much the same: There are soft targets everywhere, people who don't want me to kill them everywhere, people who surprise you and put up a good fight and even win sometimes everywhere, etc
The idea that one part of space is for pvp and another is for pve is wrong. That's not how the mechanics work, it never has been, it never SHOULD be. It's a massive, horrible misunderstanding that some players have.
true but trying to say low is as safe as high for gankers is rubbish. in highsec few will shoot you even if you're red, partly because they don't understand PvP mechanics and all the timers freak them out, but mostly because they just don't care.
low sec is full of opportunists and campers. if you don't know how to deal with them then you're dead before you find a target. I suspect a lot of gankers and can flippers really don't which is why they hang out in high. and that's fine if that's what they enjoy but they are pretty much gank bears. freelance space bum |
Dave Stark
2566
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Posted - 2013.04.14 17:31:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Andski wrote:the whole "lowsec/null are for PvP, hisec isn't" mentality is driven by CCP's coddling of the worst players in the game
until that coddling ends and they are less sheltered from the realities of eve that mentality will continue to be prevalent Dictating the realities of EvE again? The reality is, CCP cannot survive on alts forever, which means they need to bring in more new players. With the number of griefers in the game, CCP has no choice but to make it harder for them. Easy to understand for a logical person.....
seems eve has been doing fine living on alts for the last decade. a boast very few other MMOs can make. |
Selene Nask
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.04.14 17:32:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:To all the people discussing the risk (or what you feel is the lack thereof) for gankers/war deccers in highsec, the point I was trying to make in the first part is that in a lot of cases the risk the aggressor faces in low and null is pretty much the same. If a couple of people in stealth bombers go after a ratting bs or a mining barge in low/null the risk the ratter/miner poses to them isn't any greater than a ratter/miner in highsec
Which, to me, makes the "go to low/null" argument feel pretty silly, because being in low/null doesn't inherently make fights any fairer, anymore invited, or anything else.
More than a few highseccers seem to think that everyone in low/null are l33t pvpers who are itching for a fight 23.5/7 - that's not true, there are plenty of carebears there too (search "AFK Cloak" and you'll see just how many...), so to me all areas of space seem pretty much the same: There are soft targets everywhere, people who don't want me to kill them everywhere, people who surprise you and put up a good fight and even win sometimes everywhere, etc
The idea that one part of space is for pvp and another is for pve is wrong. That's not how the mechanics work, it never has been, it never SHOULD be. It's a massive, horrible misunderstanding that some players have.
I understand what you mean. I spend about the same amount of time in low as I do in high with two different characters. My other one live permanently in a WH and doesn't pvp at all. Doesn't have the skills. The only time she spends out of the POS is hauling stuff and scanning and avoidance is the key. If she gets caught she is soft soft soft. I do PVP on my main but I'd say only about 25% of the time when I'm in low. I do other things and although I try to be as ready for it as possible avoidance in every way possible is the word of the day because I'm more then likely as you describe it in a 'softer' fitted ship because of tradeoffs. When I PVP I'm just as likely to be with someone else in a logi ship as well.
I guess technically I could be called a PVPer because I do it both proactively and reactively in low but I'm hardly some '24/7 in search of pvp' low sec citizen. Alot of the time my low sec 'pvp' is surviving till help comes or making an escape. lol Most of my corp mates are similar. PVP is great and fun but it's not everything or desired all of the time. (like when running low sec exploration sites)
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7471
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Posted - 2013.04.14 17:41:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Andski wrote:the whole "lowsec/null are for PvP, hisec isn't" mentality is driven by CCP's coddling of the worst players in the game
until that coddling ends and they are less sheltered from the realities of eve that mentality will continue to be prevalent Dictating the realities of EvE again? The reality is, CCP cannot survive on alts forever, which means they need to bring in more new players. With the number of griefers in the game, CCP has no choice but to make it harder for them. Easy to understand for a logical person.....
guess it's a good thing then that new players have been coming in for years just fine mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
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