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culo duro
Next Level Alcoholics
72
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Posted - 2013.04.15 10:49:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:baltec1 wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I look forward to CCP making the other exhumers tougher in line with the Mackinaw to keep the balance right. CCP are nerfing the macks tank this summer. Well done. Your constant whining (along with other pixel hard-men) about the cost of ganking seems to have paid off. What do you mean? they buffed them in first place because of carebears, it was great as it was tbh. |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
154
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Posted - 2013.04.15 10:52:00 -
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Because highsec is, in a nutshell, a target-rich environment. |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
624
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Posted - 2013.04.15 10:58:00 -
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StoneCold wrote:March rabbit wrote:StoneCold wrote:March rabbit wrote:John Ratcliffe wrote: SNIP
SNIP It helps to not mock around but make "friends" or find people to actually teach you stuff. wake me up when you actually have something to say and not only trying to look smart Sorry my angry russian friend. I can-¦t hear you over the sound of how awesome i-¦m.
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LittleTerror
Illuminated Foundation Trust
39
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Posted - 2013.04.15 11:03:00 -
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In some way I actually agree with the OP but only the part were it is too easy for people to suicide gank using small fast ships when they are already -10 sec status and they can do this without any sort of repercussions. There are people who's whole game play consists of boarding a new destroyer, and then flying to a gate and randomly ganking people in shuttles or other soft targets, or flying to a belt and ganking mining ships.
I think that is unbalanced, unfair and very lame, there should be a limit to how much you can get away with within a set amount of time because in reality no law abiding NPC corp is going to let a known terrorist repeatedly use its stations as a base for their activities.
TL;DR
Commit acts of terrorism in highsec, then the criminal flag should also prevent these people from redocking, obviously only temporarily but long enough that it creates a logistics problem for the gankers. |
Gallay
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.04.15 11:08:00 -
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They don't go null 'cause high sec is where the meet is, the easy targets. That's it. |
culo duro
Next Level Alcoholics
72
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Posted - 2013.04.15 11:09:00 -
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LittleTerror wrote:In some way I actually agree with the OP but only the part were it is too easy for people to suicide gank using small fast ships when they are already -10 sec status and they can do this without any sort of repercussions. There are people who's whole game play consists of boarding a new destroyer, and then flying to a gate and randomly ganking people in shuttles or other soft targets, or flying to a belt and ganking mining ships.
I think that is unbalanced, unfair and very lame, there should be a limit to how much you can get away with within a set amount of time because in reality no law abiding NPC corp is going to let a known terrorist repeatedly use its stations as a base for their activities.
TL;DR
Commit acts of terrorism in highsec, then the criminal flag should also prevent these people from redocking, obviously only temporarily but long enough that it creates a logistics problem for the gankers.
Thoes people that gank use Orcas to get into new ships. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1221
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Posted - 2013.04.15 11:11:00 -
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LittleTerror wrote:In some way I actually agree with the OP but only the part were it is too easy for people to suicide gank using small fast ships when they are already -10 sec status and they can do this without any sort of repercussions. There are people who's whole game play consists of boarding a new destroyer, and then flying to a gate and randomly ganking people in shuttles or other soft targets, or flying to a belt and ganking mining ships.
I think that is unbalanced, unfair and very lame, there should be a limit to how much you can get away with within a set amount of time because in reality no law abiding NPC corp is going to let a known terrorist repeatedly use its stations as a base for their activities.
TL;DR
Commit acts of terrorism in highsec, then the criminal flag should also prevent these people from redocking, obviously only temporarily but long enough that it creates a logistics problem for the gankers.
I didn't say any of those things lol. I don't have a problem with any of the things you said. |
Arkane Mystic
POT Corp Semper Ardens Alliance
15
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Posted - 2013.04.15 11:20:00 -
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Because that would be a challenge and actually require a little effort. |
LittleTerror
Illuminated Foundation Trust
39
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Posted - 2013.04.15 11:32:00 -
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culo duro wrote:LittleTerror wrote:In some way I actually agree with the OP but only the part were it is too easy for people to suicide gank using small fast ships when they are already -10 sec status and they can do this without any sort of repercussions. There are people who's whole game play consists of boarding a new destroyer, and then flying to a gate and randomly ganking people in shuttles or other soft targets, or flying to a belt and ganking mining ships.
I think that is unbalanced, unfair and very lame, there should be a limit to how much you can get away with within a set amount of time because in reality no law abiding NPC corp is going to let a known terrorist repeatedly use its stations as a base for their activities.
TL;DR
Commit acts of terrorism in highsec, then the criminal flag should also prevent these people from redocking, obviously only temporarily but long enough that it creates a logistics problem for the gankers. Thoes people that gank use Orcas to get into new ships.
then those orcas are aiding them and should be flagged. |
Dave Stark
2588
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Posted - 2013.04.15 11:37:00 -
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LittleTerror wrote:culo duro wrote:LittleTerror wrote:In some way I actually agree with the OP but only the part were it is too easy for people to suicide gank using small fast ships when they are already -10 sec status and they can do this without any sort of repercussions. There are people who's whole game play consists of boarding a new destroyer, and then flying to a gate and randomly ganking people in shuttles or other soft targets, or flying to a belt and ganking mining ships.
I think that is unbalanced, unfair and very lame, there should be a limit to how much you can get away with within a set amount of time because in reality no law abiding NPC corp is going to let a known terrorist repeatedly use its stations as a base for their activities.
TL;DR
Commit acts of terrorism in highsec, then the criminal flag should also prevent these people from redocking, obviously only temporarily but long enough that it creates a logistics problem for the gankers. Thoes people that gank use Orcas to get into new ships. then those orcas are aiding them and should be flagged.
where's the crime in ejecting a ship from the smb? |
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culo duro
Next Level Alcoholics
72
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Posted - 2013.04.15 11:41:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:LittleTerror wrote:culo duro wrote:LittleTerror wrote:In some way I actually agree with the OP but only the part were it is too easy for people to suicide gank using small fast ships when they are already -10 sec status and they can do this without any sort of repercussions. There are people who's whole game play consists of boarding a new destroyer, and then flying to a gate and randomly ganking people in shuttles or other soft targets, or flying to a belt and ganking mining ships.
I think that is unbalanced, unfair and very lame, there should be a limit to how much you can get away with within a set amount of time because in reality no law abiding NPC corp is going to let a known terrorist repeatedly use its stations as a base for their activities.
TL;DR
Commit acts of terrorism in highsec, then the criminal flag should also prevent these people from redocking, obviously only temporarily but long enough that it creates a logistics problem for the gankers. Thoes people that gank use Orcas to get into new ships. then those orcas are aiding them and should be flagged. where's the crime in ejecting a ship from the smb?
Rather how would you work that out? It would be impossible. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
451
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Posted - 2013.04.15 12:00:00 -
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Why do you rob banks? Because that is where the money is.
Why do you gank in highsec? Because that is where the money is. |
LittleTerror
Illuminated Foundation Trust
39
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Posted - 2013.04.15 12:08:00 -
[223] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:LittleTerror wrote:culo duro wrote:LittleTerror wrote:In some way I actually agree with the OP but only the part were it is too easy for people to suicide gank using small fast ships when they are already -10 sec status and they can do this without any sort of repercussions. There are people who's whole game play consists of boarding a new destroyer, and then flying to a gate and randomly ganking people in shuttles or other soft targets, or flying to a belt and ganking mining ships.
I think that is unbalanced, unfair and very lame, there should be a limit to how much you can get away with within a set amount of time because in reality no law abiding NPC corp is going to let a known terrorist repeatedly use its stations as a base for their activities.
TL;DR
Commit acts of terrorism in highsec, then the criminal flag should also prevent these people from redocking, obviously only temporarily but long enough that it creates a logistics problem for the gankers. Thoes people that gank use Orcas to get into new ships. then those orcas are aiding them and should be flagged. where's the crime in ejecting a ship from the smb?
aiding a criminal, like providing a bank robber with a get away car...
and the point is if that was done in nullsec chances are that orca would be probed down and destroyed but since nullsec is lawless unless players make their own laws, so the crime watch system is obviously not working in highsec like it should do |
LittleTerror
Illuminated Foundation Trust
39
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Posted - 2013.04.15 12:09:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Why do you rob banks? Because that is where the money is.
Why do you gank in highsec? Because that is where the money is.
Yeah but it should not be so ridiculously easy. |
culo duro
Next Level Alcoholics
72
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Posted - 2013.04.15 12:11:00 -
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LittleTerror wrote:Miilla wrote:Why do you rob banks? Because that is where the money is.
Why do you gank in highsec? Because that is where the money is. Yeah but it should not be so ridiculously easy.
Tank your ship, it's not 'That easy' if you'd tank your ship. |
LittleTerror
Illuminated Foundation Trust
39
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Posted - 2013.04.15 12:13:00 -
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culo duro wrote:LittleTerror wrote:Miilla wrote:Why do you rob banks? Because that is where the money is.
Why do you gank in highsec? Because that is where the money is. Yeah but it should not be so ridiculously easy. Tank your ship, it's not 'That easy' if you'd tank your ship.
Yeah but it would be better if I could gank the ganker before they commit more crimes, you can argue for your cushy play style till you're blue in the face, its still broken imo. |
culo duro
Next Level Alcoholics
72
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Posted - 2013.04.15 12:15:00 -
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LittleTerror wrote:culo duro wrote:LittleTerror wrote:Miilla wrote:Why do you rob banks? Because that is where the money is.
Why do you gank in highsec? Because that is where the money is. Yeah but it should not be so ridiculously easy. Tank your ship, it's not 'That easy' if you'd tank your ship. Yeah but it would be better if I could gank the ganker before they commit more crimes, you can argue for your cushy play style till you're blue in the face, its still broken imo.
It's very possible to do so, it's commonly refeered to as drones. Some Warrior IIs will crush that poor little gank ship. |
baltec1
Bat Country
5978
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Posted - 2013.04.15 12:16:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Well done. Your constant whining (along with other pixel hard-men) about the cost of ganking seems to have paid off.
Yes, our valid complaints have resulted in the skiff possibly getting the role it was ment to have and the mack given some drawbacks. We will have to test it to be sure.
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Prince Kobol
708
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Posted - 2013.04.15 12:18:00 -
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LittleTerror wrote:Miilla wrote:Why do you rob banks? Because that is where the money is.
Why do you gank in highsec? Because that is where the money is. Yeah but it should not be so ridiculously easy.
Yes it is easy but then again you would be amazed how many people fail.
As easy it is to gank somebody, it is also as easy not to make yourself a easy target.
A few quick examples...
Actually fit a tank your mining ships, I can happily say I have never been successfully ganked, had quite a few people try and fail.
When ever I am scouting a target there is always somebody mining afk with no tank on their mining ship so its a bit of no brainer to gank that person as oppose to the guy next to him sporting a pretty decent tank.
Also being afk does not help :)
When choosing a hauler to gank, those who are AP, using cargo expanders in there lows and cargo extender rigs are always my primary choice.
If you choose to use AP, have zero tank, use mods which will lower your overall EHP and have items worth 100's millions of isk in your cargo hold then I am really sorry but you deserved to be ganked (hopefully the person doing the ganking will be me
If you have that much stuff to move then spend that little bit extra and hire Reg Frog. |
baltec1
Bat Country
5978
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Posted - 2013.04.15 12:18:00 -
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LittleTerror wrote:Miilla wrote:Why do you rob banks? Because that is where the money is.
Why do you gank in highsec? Because that is where the money is. Yeah but it should not be so ridiculously easy.
So stop making it easy for us to do. |
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
451
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Posted - 2013.04.15 12:21:00 -
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LittleTerror wrote:culo duro wrote:LittleTerror wrote:Miilla wrote:Why do you rob banks? Because that is where the money is.
Why do you gank in highsec? Because that is where the money is. Yeah but it should not be so ridiculously easy. Tank your ship, it's not 'That easy' if you'd tank your ship. Yeah but it would be better if I could gank the ganker before they commit more crimes, you can argue for your cushy play style till you're blue in the face, its still broken imo.
You can, It's called CRIMEWATCH 2.0.
You can, it's called PRE-EMPTIVE GANK, made popular by the Israeli/Bush administration. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7507
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Posted - 2013.04.15 12:21:00 -
[232] - Quote
LittleTerror wrote:Miilla wrote:Why do you rob banks? Because that is where the money is.
Why do you gank in highsec? Because that is where the money is. Yeah but it should not be so ridiculously easy.
You determine how easy or how difficult it is to gank your ship. You chose to make it easy while carrying billions in loot, you deal with the consequences of that mistake. mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Prince Kobol
708
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Posted - 2013.04.15 12:22:00 -
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oh, also before somebody says its my right to fly any ship I like, fitted how I like, you are totally correct, I completely agree with you.
You pay your subs and you can do whatever you please, however the flip side to that coin is that the person who just blew up your ship also has a right to play the game any way they see fit as well. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7507
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Posted - 2013.04.15 12:22:00 -
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Andski wrote:the whole "lowsec/null are for PvP, hisec isn't" mentality is driven by CCP's coddling of the worst players in the game
until that coddling ends and they are less sheltered from the realities of eve that mentality will continue to be prevalent
mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Velicitia
Nex Exercitus
1377
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Posted - 2013.04.15 12:23:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Pretty much a non-pvp character would have to not have any means of observing, being observed by or interacting with any other character (or any information resulting by actions by characters) in the game.
Oh, so they're logged out?
Guess we all PVE 16-22h a day then (assuming more or less "standard" sleep/work/RL schedules). One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia Malcanis for CSM8 |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
451
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Posted - 2013.04.15 12:24:00 -
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Welcome to the Sandbox, online, pubbie, player experience.
Until CCP changes the rules/mechanics (again), depending on how loud and long you whine nowadays, live with it or adapt. |
Dave Stark
2588
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Posted - 2013.04.15 12:25:00 -
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LittleTerror wrote:Dave Stark wrote:LittleTerror wrote:culo duro wrote:LittleTerror wrote:In some way I actually agree with the OP but only the part were it is too easy for people to suicide gank using small fast ships when they are already -10 sec status and they can do this without any sort of repercussions. There are people who's whole game play consists of boarding a new destroyer, and then flying to a gate and randomly ganking people in shuttles or other soft targets, or flying to a belt and ganking mining ships.
I think that is unbalanced, unfair and very lame, there should be a limit to how much you can get away with within a set amount of time because in reality no law abiding NPC corp is going to let a known terrorist repeatedly use its stations as a base for their activities.
TL;DR
Commit acts of terrorism in highsec, then the criminal flag should also prevent these people from redocking, obviously only temporarily but long enough that it creates a logistics problem for the gankers. Thoes people that gank use Orcas to get into new ships. then those orcas are aiding them and should be flagged. where's the crime in ejecting a ship from the smb? aiding a criminal, like providing a bank robber with a get away car... and the point is if that was done in nullsec chances are that orca would be probed down and destroyed but since nullsec is lawless unless players make their own laws, so the crime watch system is obviously not working in highsec like it should do
more like, the orca pilot left a car on the road side unlocked and the ganker just took it. again, the orca pilot did nothing and has committed no crime.
stop whining, it's pathetic. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8678
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Posted - 2013.04.15 12:29:00 -
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LittleTerror wrote:Miilla wrote:Why do you rob banks? Because that is where the money is.
Why do you gank in highsec? Because that is where the money is. Yeah but it should not be so ridiculously easy.
Agreed. Stop making it so easy, is my advice. Please vote for me for CSM8-áhere
My recommended voting list |
LittleTerror
Illuminated Foundation Trust
39
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Posted - 2013.04.15 12:33:00 -
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I'm perfectly capable of avoiding ganks, however if I was a noob in my first mining ship, and barely able to fit a tank and someone came along and destroyed my ship in a highsec system for no gain other than to **** me off, i'd feel it was a bit unfair. Particularly if that ganker is virtually immune using their low skill point alt over and over and over again, so all i'm suggesting is a more balanced set of game mechanics because if these gankers are so ******* hardcore, then they won't mind having to fly their gank ships in from a lowsec system right? |
StoneCold
Somali Coast Guard Authority
119
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Posted - 2013.04.15 12:38:00 -
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Afaik as soon as you finished the tutorials you got all skills that are needed to (t1/meta) tank your ships good enough so the standard-ganker isn-¦t to keen to pick you as a target.
The 'problem' is that some people fit for 100% more income instead of tanking. For Hire Psychotic Monk for CSM |
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