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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2013.04.15 22:19:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:That was a pretty small device, and it just sounded like gunpowder.  And yet people lost limbs, others died. But it's okay, the devices were "small".
How big is a grenade? I'm in no way understating the attack, but I *do* have first hand experience with terror bombings and I am applying that experience to this event.
I haven't heard any hypersonic shockwave i.e. was a low explosive (like, gunpowder). That's also coherent with how it created lots of smoke and a fireball was visible. As it didn't shattered the building glasses, this tells it had a small blast radius.
It looks like a small gunpowder device and that points to a homegrown crackpot.
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Stegas Tyrano
glu canu
Open Space Consultancy
360
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Posted - 2013.04.15 22:25:00 -
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Zero Hedge's report
Theres a GIF on the page where a dude running simply keeps jogging a
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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
1558
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Posted - 2013.04.15 22:30:00 -
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Stegas Tyrano wrote:Zero Hedge's reportTheres a GIF/Small Vid on the page where a dude running (orange shirt) simply keeps jogging as if nothing happened 
He at least reflexed to it. What was up with the jogger with the wobbly legs? Doesn't look like he even got hit by anything.
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Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
257
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Posted - 2013.04.15 22:31:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:That was a pretty small device, and it just sounded like gunpowder. And yet people lost limbs, others died. But it's okay, the devices were "small". How big is a grenade? I'm in no way understating the attack, but I *do* have first hand experience with terror bombings and I am applying that experience to this event. I haven't heard any hypersonic shockwave i.e. was a low explosive (like, gunpowder). That's also coherent with how it created lots of smoke and a fireball was visible. As it didn't shattered the building glasses, this tells it had a small blast radius. It looks like a small gunpowder device and that points to a homegrown crackpot.
There was actually a lot of shattered windows from the explosion. I have the torn up knees and hands to prove it. |
Stegas Tyrano
glu canu
Open Space Consultancy
360
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Posted - 2013.04.15 22:32:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:Stegas Tyrano wrote:Zero Hedge's reportTheres a GIF/Small Vid on the page where a dude running (orange shirt) simply keeps jogging as if nothing happened He at least reflexed to it. What was up with the jogger with the wobbly legs? Doesn't look like he even got hit by anything.
He was old and very tired, his own reaction to the blast must've knocked him over.
The dude in the orange shirt however doesn't even look back.
Also, this is weird, if you google news Boston Market Marathon half the articles are about stocks falling....
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okst666
Uncharted Skies
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Posted - 2013.04.15 23:00:00 -
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As it didn't shattered the building glasses, this tells it had a small blast radius.
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Look at the video I posted earlier...there are lots of broken windows.
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.04.15 23:01:00 -
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Hi folks,
We're truely shocked by this event and we understand that people want to discuss what's happened; but please regard the rule regarding the discussion of politics and try and not to draw any speculative conclusions about which party might or might not have been responsible.
I offer my deepest condolences to anyone who was affected by this terrible occasion :(
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Tank Talbot
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.04.15 23:02:00 -
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It's also April 15rh. You know? Tax day in America. Home grown terror or imported we can only say it was an act to isnpire terror. I refuse to be ruled by fear. An eight year old kid is confirmed amongst the dead. I hope they catch the person resposible. |
Lasairiona
The Studmuffin's
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
24
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Posted - 2013.04.15 23:33:00 -
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I really doubt it was international. This looks like an act of domestic terrorism to me.
Tragic and unnecessary loss of life and injury :-( |
Marlona Sky
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2013.04.15 23:44:00 -
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Any news Anya Klibor?
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
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Posted - 2013.04.16 00:32:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:That was a pretty small device, and it just sounded like gunpowder. And yet people lost limbs, others died. But it's okay, the devices were "small". I don't see where anyone in here claiming that any of this was 'OK.'
I know you'r stressed from events, but try to check-fire until you know who the enemy is, M'kay?
The devices *were* small. Not firecrackers, bigger than grenades, and certainly lethal, but things could've been much, much worse. Pray thanks-giving for small mercies... Such as the fact that medics were right there where they were needed. Lives were spared by your efforts - God Bless.
The relatively small blast radii and the large amount of smoke generated leads me to think home-made, relatively low-explosive devices. Most commercial and military explosive devices I'm familiar with don't waste energy creating large quantities of smoke unless that's their purpose.
Low-cost, low effort attack on a very soft target. If fear was the purpose, then also a very efficient attack. Could be anyone from a terrorist organization to a crazed loner. I'd tend to think that the better-organized terrorists wounld't do something on this small a scale though - theyv'e largely come to recognize the old maxim of 'never do an enemy a small injury.' I'd look for splinter groups, home-grown groups, and lone wolves operation on their own innitiatives. Politically, who knows the motivation? Maybe there's not political motivation at all - Maybe just someone with a head full of worms.
One thing is for certain - someone has a whole lot of vengance coming their way soon enough.
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Stegas Tyrano
glu canu
Open Space Consultancy
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Posted - 2013.04.16 00:45:00 -
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Kw1jybo wrote:Saudi individual in custody, termed a 'suspect'.
As a former Marine, Semper Fi, stay safe, and go get 'em.
Police have said this is false and that they have no one in custody.
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Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
263
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Posted - 2013.04.16 00:52:00 -
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Stegas Tyrano wrote:Kw1jybo wrote:Saudi individual in custody, termed a 'suspect'.
As a former Marine, Semper Fi, stay safe, and go get 'em. Police have said this is false and that they have no one in custody.
2046 EST: Police are questioning a suspect. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1305
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Posted - 2013.04.16 01:15:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:Stegas Tyrano wrote:Kw1jybo wrote:Saudi individual in custody, termed a 'suspect'.
As a former Marine, Semper Fi, stay safe, and go get 'em. Police have said this is false and that they have no one in custody. 2046 EST: Police are questioning a suspect.
[Update, 8:55 p.m. ET] A Saudi national with a leg wound was under guard at a Boston hospital in connection with the bombings at the Boston Marathon, but investigators cannot say he is involved at this time and he is not in custody, a law enforcement official said Monday evening.
Translation: We don't want this Saudi dude getting a biggot-attack.
Bear in mind that the Boston Marathon is a world-wide attraction. This famous race draws runners from everywhere on the globe. I'm willing to bet there were North Koreans and Iranians running.
Edit: Death toll now at three, inculding an eight-year-old child. Emergency surgeons are reporting ball bearings in wounds.
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Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.16 01:23:00 -
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Does it really matter as to how they did it ?
To be frank , ANFO explosives would have been much easier to make as compared to the silly grinding needed for gun powder (I tried) .
When I saw this on the news it reminded me of this .
Striking fear into all Americans regardless of space and time , class and race.
From today for on , not only are the major cities in threat. |
Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
911
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Posted - 2013.04.16 01:24:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:Stegas Tyrano wrote:Kw1jybo wrote:Saudi individual in custody, termed a 'suspect'.
As a former Marine, Semper Fi, stay safe, and go get 'em. Police have said this is false and that they have no one in custody. 2046 EST: Police are questioning a suspect. [Update, 8:55 p.m. ET] A Saudi national with a leg wound was under guard at a Boston hospital in connection with the bombings at the Boston Marathon, but investigators cannot say he is involved at this time and he is not in custody, a law enforcement official said Monday evening. Translation: We don't want this Saudi dude getting a biggot-attack. Bear in mind that the Boston Marathon is a world-wide attraction. This famous race draws runners from everywhere on the globe. I'm willing to bet there were North Koreans and Iranians running. Edit: Death toll now at three, inculding an eight-year-old child. Emergency surgeons are reporting ball bearings in wounds.
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1306
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Posted - 2013.04.16 01:45:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Does it really matter as to how they did it ? To be frank , ANFO explosives would have been much easier to make as compared to the silly grinding needed for gun powder (I tried) . When I saw this on the news it reminded me of this .Striking fear into all Americans regardless of space and time , class and race. From today for on , not only are the major cities in threat. Does it matter how? Yes.
Understanding technique and process leads to insignts on how to counter it, if indeed it can be countered at all.
These were probably a bit larger than jam tin grenades - I'd look more to your classic pipe bombs, or even home-made 'claymore' style bombs.
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Stegas Tyrano
glu canu
Open Space Consultancy
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Posted - 2013.04.16 01:57:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:Stegas Tyrano wrote:Kw1jybo wrote:Saudi individual in custody, termed a 'suspect'.
As a former Marine, Semper Fi, stay safe, and go get 'em. Police have said this is false and that they have no one in custody. 2046 EST: Police are questioning a suspect. [Update, 8:55 p.m. ET] A Saudi national with a leg wound was under guard at a Boston hospital in connection with the bombings at the Boston Marathon, but investigators cannot say he is involved at this time and he is not in custody, a law enforcement official said Monday evening. Translation: We don't want this Saudi dude getting a biggot-attack. Bear in mind that the Boston Marathon is a world-wide attraction. This famous race draws runners from everywhere on the globe. I'm willing to bet there were North Koreans and Iranians running. Edit: Death toll now at three, inculding an eight-year-old child. Emergency surgeons are reporting ball bearings in wounds.
What news org. are you getting this from? Everything I'm reading says otherwise.
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
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Posted - 2013.04.16 02:05:00 -
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CCN's 'This Just In' blog.
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Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.16 02:06:00 -
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just watch it for yourself
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Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
263
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Posted - 2013.04.16 02:56:00 -
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There's a lot of hatred being sent towards the Boston Police Department, Massachusetts National Guard, and the state government concerning the "lack" of security present. As a "first responder", I will say that the response from all the police, medics, and National Guard present was excellent. I am proud of how they reacted, and their willingness to run headfirst into that danger.
Two bombs detonated. We all ran in, not knowing if a third would go, or a fourth. We put our lives on the line, hoping we could save more. The gamble was worth it. Three deaths, and it could have been worse given the congestion.
No matter how people phrase it, it's still going to be remarkable either way. Thank your local police, firefighters and paramedics daily for their willingness to sacrifice themselves so you can live, ladies and gents. |
Stegas Tyrano
glu canu
Open Space Consultancy
366
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Posted - 2013.04.16 03:05:00 -
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Do they expect an army of policemen to attend every public event?
Sounds like you have an abundance of armchair expert analysts
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Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
264
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Posted - 2013.04.16 03:09:00 -
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There's a lot of people claiming that this should never have happened, that intelligence should have been better. They wonder how one person could do this, when in reality there were probably multiple perps. It's Call of Duty warriors telling us how to do stuff they don't understand. |
Stegas Tyrano
glu canu
Open Space Consultancy
366
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Posted - 2013.04.16 03:13:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:There's a lot of people claiming that this should never have happened, that intelligence should have been better. They wonder how one person could do this, when in reality there were probably multiple perps. It's Call of Duty warriors telling us how to do stuff they don't understand.
Multiple perps who also look nothing like your media reinforced stereotypical terrorist.
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Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
266
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Posted - 2013.04.16 03:17:00 -
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More than likely. I won't throw away possibilities; it's possible this could be a white supremacist as much as it could be a North Korean operative. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
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Posted - 2013.04.16 03:18:00 -
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Stegas Tyrano wrote:Do they expect an army of policemen to attend every public event?
Sounds like you have an abundance of armchair expert analysts in the US. Yes and yes.
Certain political, social,and media forces have sold a bill of goods to the Common Man that there should be no risk, that if they were willing to grant certain powers to the government, that all would be made safe and cozy.
When reality intrudes, as it always does, those same Common Men first blame the government, only to be told that they hadn't yet surrendered *enough* power to the government, and it will only need just a liiiiitle bit more of their power and freedom to make everything safe again. It's called 'Security Theater' and this country has some of the worlds formost actors in that theater of the absurd.
It's not the Left only, nor the Right only. People who wish to control the lives of others can be found in each camp. Indeed, the camps are sick mirrors of each other. All this enabled by the fact that the American 'Common Man' is a lazy swine, politically-speaking. So long as his slops trough is full, he will continue to await the day when public servants become the masters.
Anya Klibor wrote:There's a lot of people claiming that this should never have happened, that intelligence should have been better. They wonder how one person could do this, when in reality there were probably multiple perps. It's Call of Duty warriors telling us how to do stuff they don't understand.
Multiple or single, organized or lone-wolf - the average citizen doesn't know enough to wipe his backside when it comes to security OR investigation. They want everything to be a TV show or movie, with magic all-seeing eyes and forensics. And they want everything wrapped-up and done in under ninety minutes so they don't have to miss their favorite 'reality' show.
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Jaq Royale
Royale Strategic Imperative
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Posted - 2013.04.16 05:55:00 -
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Thank you for the video.
I wonder how long it will be before the blame game starts.
My guess: 72 hours. |
baltec1
Bat Country
5995
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Posted - 2013.04.16 06:52:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:There's a lot of people claiming that this should never have happened, that intelligence should have been better. They wonder how one person could do this, when in reality there were probably multiple perps. It's Call of Duty warriors telling us how to do stuff they don't understand.
As the IRA said, we only need to get lucky once. |
Rain6639
Team Evil
247
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Posted - 2013.04.16 08:33:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
How big is a grenade?
grenades produce very little smoke, very little flame. that was much bigger than a grenade
EDM? you mean EFM |
Graygor
1kB Realty
1kB Galactic
21503
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Posted - 2013.04.16 09:28:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:There's a lot of people claiming that this should never have happened, that intelligence should have been better. They wonder how one person could do this, when in reality there were probably multiple perps. It's Call of Duty warriors telling us how to do stuff they don't understand.
These people are always the most isolated or insular in society i find. The same with most armchair hotshots.
Truly FDR was right when he said the only thing to fear is fear itself. 3 people dead is very low and a credit to the responders. How many people in boston were killed yesterday in car accidents?
Of course as Silens said a little bit more freedom will be sacrificed for security and its sad.
I live in a country that has been wracked by terrorism with suicide bombings but really it didnt change our lives. I wasnt here in the bad days of the early 2000s when buses and restaurants were exploding but the people managed to develop a strong skin and change their thinking that made most people very realistic.
Americas relative national naivety is both a great asset and a negative as then people go nuts over things like this and dont see themselves spiting themselves.
Honestly id like to take every armchair patton and give them a rifle and see how it feels to have a cold hard dose of reality.
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