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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
574
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Posted - 2013.04.24 22:42:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Its interesting to see many people who use booster alts initially claim they don't care if the boosters are on the killmail or not. Then they proceed to make numerous posts trying to argue against adding them. They want to keep their invisible blob of t3s off the record. And keep the killmails misleading.
Flying through faction war space its getting to the point where I see more t3s on dscan that combat ships.
CCP claims that they want to do away with OGBs but they don't have the technical know how. Yet at every phase they buff them. T2 links, buffs to active tanks, buffs to missile kiting platforms. I'm starting to question ccp's word on this one.
All killmails are misleading. |
LooknSee
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2013.04.25 00:20:00 -
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Quick! Let's preserve the honour and dignity of the killmail system! |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
169
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Posted - 2013.04.25 00:57:00 -
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The way i see it yes killmails are deceiving, But the boost ship isn't directly attacking your ship just the way someone using remote reps isn't actually attacking your ship, But hes giving an advantage to someone who is.
He also doesn't show and on a mail either, basic mechanics ..errrr working as intended? GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á ----------RIVERINI FOR CSM 8---------- |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
878
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Posted - 2013.04.25 01:18:00 -
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ALUCARD 1208 wrote:in b4 cearain crys for a notification of OGB too ..... ;)
from what i got talking to a few devs on sisi is there having a hard tiome making boosts work under AOE rather thanb just newere in system and until they get that right the wont be touched
They have said this before but then it raises the questions:
How can they do area effect for fw beacons, bubbles, old dd on titans,smartbombs etc?
Also do they actually have someone asigned to work on this or not? Until they actually assign someone to fix it, it won't get fixed.
These are the basic follow up questions that we still don't have answered.
If we had a notification that allowed us to warp directly to an off grid booster like a cyno..... Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
878
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Posted - 2013.04.25 01:29:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Cearain wrote:Its interesting to see many people who use booster alts initially claim they don't care if the boosters are on the killmail or not. Then they proceed to make numerous posts trying to argue against adding them. They want to keep their invisible blob of t3s off the record. And keep the killmails misleading.
Flying through faction war space its getting to the point where I see more t3s on dscan that combat ships.
CCP claims that they want to do away with OGBs but they don't have the technical know how. Yet at every phase they buff them. T2 links, buffs to active tanks, buffs to missile kiting platforms. I'm starting to question ccp's word on this one. All killmails are misleading.
This is false but I fail to see the point of this post. Is this your argument?
Premise 1) if all killmails are misleading, then its better to make them even *more* misleading by not including boosters. Premise 2) All killmails are misleading Conclusion: Therefore we should make them even more misleading by not including boosters.
With the large exceptions of boosters and remote reps killmails are as accurate at reporting who was involved in the battle, as we can reasonably expect them to be. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
574
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Posted - 2013.04.25 03:10:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Cearain wrote:Its interesting to see many people who use booster alts initially claim they don't care if the boosters are on the killmail or not. Then they proceed to make numerous posts trying to argue against adding them. They want to keep their invisible blob of t3s off the record. And keep the killmails misleading.
Flying through faction war space its getting to the point where I see more t3s on dscan that combat ships.
CCP claims that they want to do away with OGBs but they don't have the technical know how. Yet at every phase they buff them. T2 links, buffs to active tanks, buffs to missile kiting platforms. I'm starting to question ccp's word on this one. All killmails are misleading. This is false but I fail to see the point of this post. Is this your argument? Premise 1) if all killmails are misleading, then its better to make them even *more* misleading by not including boosters. Premise 2) All killmails are misleading Conclusion: Therefore we should make them even more misleading by not including boosters. With the large exceptions of boosters and remote reps killmails are as accurate at reporting who was involved in the battle, as we can reasonably expect them to be.
Not really, the point of my argument is that no one looks at your km's in any great depth apart from you. Featuring boosters on km's seems redundant since you should already be aware of the boost since you just died. Sure newbs may not be able to discriminate between bad tracking and boosted resists, but i dont see the need to flatten the learning curve. |
bufnitza calatoare
Nex Angelus. Unclaimed.
102
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Posted - 2013.04.25 03:46:00 -
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Maximus Hashur wrote:Actually its not the killmail I really care about. Its the fuc*in booster alts that give unfair advantage that need to be addressed. I heard that CCP is moving to require booster alts on grid
wont change a damn thing in high sec... out of corp/alliance booster alts will still be as safe as one can truly be. Now giving away isk to likes on forums posts to random likers..* Masuka Taredi 100m isk* could this be you? |
StoneCold
Somali Coast Guard Authority
143
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Posted - 2013.04.25 07:01:00 -
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OGBs on killmails? I-¦d max my boosting skills and join faction warfare, seriously. Also thanks for the 'mimimi my bc-ladder stats'. KMs are meh (well, detailed KMs at least. a "guy a destroyed this ship of guy b" would be enough for me).
I believe your thread belongs to 'Features & Ideas' anyway. For Hire Psychotic Monk for CSM |
Halete
Alexylva Paradox
769
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Posted - 2013.04.25 12:46:00 -
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Boosters are here to stay and they're available to everyone. That aside;
Whether we like it or not KBs are important and are where a lot of data-mining occurs. There is the incredibly vocal group of players who 'don't care' about KB stats but I don't think their loud yelling whenever killboards gets mentioned is indicative of the actual attitude about them in the game.
When a pilot uses a Falcon alt, it shows. When a pilot blobs, it shows. There are a number of ways to play dirty, but for the better part they're going to be data-mined off of a kill-board sooner or later.
Yeah, it's easy to spot somebody using a booster when you're flying. That isn't the point. To a third party, where in many cases the only information they have about what happened is in the kill-mail, it's important that the information they get is presented as precisely as possible to give a clear indication of what happened.
It would assist PvP coordinators. It would assist diplomats. It would help newbies and the people who are trying to give them constructive advise when they get confused about how they died.
I don't think that a hard nerf is the answer, but KB visibility would be an elegant and helpful feature.
Trading chains for shackles, I am free. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
878
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Posted - 2013.04.25 13:26:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Cearain wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Cearain wrote:Its interesting to see many people who use booster alts initially claim they don't care if the boosters are on the killmail or not. Then they proceed to make numerous posts trying to argue against adding them. They want to keep their invisible blob of t3s off the record. And keep the killmails misleading.
Flying through faction war space its getting to the point where I see more t3s on dscan that combat ships.
CCP claims that they want to do away with OGBs but they don't have the technical know how. Yet at every phase they buff them. T2 links, buffs to active tanks, buffs to missile kiting platforms. I'm starting to question ccp's word on this one. All killmails are misleading. This is false but I fail to see the point of this post. Is this your argument? Premise 1) if all killmails are misleading, then its better to make them even *more* misleading by not including boosters. Premise 2) All killmails are misleading Conclusion: Therefore we should make them even more misleading by not including boosters. With the large exceptions of boosters and remote reps killmails are as accurate at reporting who was involved in the battle, as we can reasonably expect them to be. Not really, the point of my argument is that no one looks at your km's in any great depth apart from you. Featuring boosters on km's seems redundant since you should already be aware of the boost since you just died. Sure newbs may not be able to discriminate between bad tracking and boosted resists, but i dont see the need to flatten the learning curve.
I don't think simply seeing how many ships where involved in killing you is "look[ing] at a km in any great depth."
Again your argument is switching back to the wrongheaded "who needs killmails anyway?" The only question is if we have them, why not make them less misleading? You like the fact that they are misleading. I see your published videos where you literally open them and show the killmail suggesting you killed a slicer in a maulus. So you can claim you don't care, but your constant posting of bad arguments to keep them misleading, and your actions on youtube reveals the truth.
Its not redundant to include boosters on the killmail since they are not included now. Moreover, its not always easy to tell if someone is boosted.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Zarnak Wulf
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
1182
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Posted - 2013.04.25 13:45:00 -
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Eve 24 Article - leaked CCP
Read the last bit. 'Do to links what we did to logistics.' How would that work? |
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
2302
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Posted - 2013.04.25 14:03:00 -
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Cloaked booster alts like you mention don't give any advantage whatsoever. FANFEST Lottery |
Halete
Alexylva Paradox
770
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Posted - 2013.04.25 14:26:00 -
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EVE players in general seem to have a difficult time distinguishing between what are improvements and what are blatantly suggestions to dumb down the game for that and that reason alone. Trading chains for shackles, I am free. |
Todath Narod
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.04.25 16:01:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:[quote=Diesel47]
Friggin' whiners.... almost as bad as the high sec miners and the cloaky afk whiners. You don't like the game? Leave. More space for the rest of us.
Wow - easy to see why you will never run a game company.
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
880
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Posted - 2013.04.25 16:14:00 -
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Assuming this is accurate:
I think he means make them less of a rarity to see in battles. Reduce the learning cliff and make it so they are more commonly fit on BCs. Make it so we see more run of the mill links on ships that cost under 500 mill and are flown by pilots that don't have 500 mill isk in implants focused on links. Links for the masses.
Since he again made it clear that they would need to be on grid I would be fine with this.
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
882
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Posted - 2013.04.25 19:15:00 -
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if everyone that killed me didnt have boosts, id have won every single fight. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg
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Maximus Hashur
Vanus Technical Solutions Corp Covert Intervention
49
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Posted - 2013.04.25 20:40:00 -
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Princess Saskia wrote:Cloaked booster alts like you mention don't give any advantage whatsoever.
You don't know what your talking about. They give a significant advantage to the pilot or gang fielding them in terms of armor resistances, shield resistances, buffer (not sure on that one) speed and more - depending on the type of links used. Looked up...saw this F***ING clown dropping like a rock.-á Woke up in Vylade wondering what just happened!!! |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Villore Accords
92
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Posted - 2013.04.25 22:31:00 -
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Yes she does. If you are using an OGB that is cloaked, then it isn't boosting much of anything; because it is cloaked and the mods don't work while cloaked. |
iPod Nubz
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.04.26 05:54:00 -
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Maximus Hashur wrote:Actually its not the killmail I really care about. Its the fuc*in booster alts that give unfair advantage that need to be addressed. I heard that CCP is moving to require booster alts on grid
It is only unfair if some people don't have access to it. Get boosts yourself. Problem solved. Whats next? being notified if the person has implants in his clone? Because that doesn't give him an advantage *at all*, right?
Honestly, less QQ and more HTFU. There's less of the latter in EvE recently.
Muad 'dib wrote:if everyone that killed me didnt have boosts, id have won every single fight.
Sure you would've. I am convinced of it.
Maximus Hashur wrote: You don't know what your talking about. They give a significant advantage to the pilot or gang fielding them in terms of armor resistances, shield resistances, buffer (not sure on that one) speed and more - depending on the type of links used.
While cloaked, the boosting modules are off.But you knew that, right?
Boosting toons are fine. If you know someone is using them and NOT having them parked at a POS, it is most likely an AFK alt then. Put a dedicated prober in that dude's hunting grounds, and whenever there is an engageemnt and the booster is uncloaked and the pvp toon busy fighting, gogo gadget-o probes. Killed more than one boosting alts after probing them out. tank is usually paperthin. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
882
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Posted - 2013.04.26 13:48:00 -
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iPod Nubz wrote:Maximus Hashur wrote:Actually its not the killmail I really care about. Its the fuc*in booster alts that give unfair advantage that need to be addressed. I heard that CCP is moving to require booster alts on grid
It is only unfair if some people don't have access to it. Get boosts yourself. Problem solved.
Yep everyone needs to have booster alts to be competitive. Eve Online becomes Alts Online. Great solution. I'm sure lots of people will want to start working this part time job - I mean play this game.
iPod Nubz wrote: Whats next? being notified if the person has implants in his clone? Because that doesn't give him an advantage *at all*, right?
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No.
Next we will have people trying to justify this broken mechanic with arguments that are so bad, they will be afraid to post them with their main. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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iPod Nubz
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.04.27 01:56:00 -
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i don't have a main. we are one. This is my market-main, and i can't be arsed to relog ti another toon on my mobile phone. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
576
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Posted - 2013.04.27 03:15:00 -
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Cearain wrote:iPod Nubz wrote:Maximus Hashur wrote:Actually its not the killmail I really care about. Its the fuc*in booster alts that give unfair advantage that need to be addressed. I heard that CCP is moving to require booster alts on grid
It is only unfair if some people don't have access to it. Get boosts yourself. Problem solved. Yep everyone needs to have booster alts to be competitive. Eve Online becomes Alts Online. Great solution. I'm sure lots of people will want to start working this part time job - I mean play this game. iPod Nubz wrote: Whats next? being notified if the person has implants in his clone? Because that doesn't give him an advantage *at all*, right?
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No. Next we will have people trying to justify this broken mechanic with arguments that are so bad, they will be afraid to post them with their main.
EVE already is alts online. Im thinking that you and EVE have grown apart.
Also, implants on mail is exactly the same argument as boosters on mail. Good or bad argument i dont really care. Personally i reject it on the grounds of how eve generates mails and the fact that it currently incompatible with your wishes. Though, as always, dont let the reality of a situation get in your way. Also the fact that fighting someone who is boosted is pretty obvious to the experienced pilot. Though im pretty sure you had no idea i was boosted when i killed you the other day lol. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
889
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Posted - 2013.04.27 03:45:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Cearain wrote:iPod Nubz wrote: Whats next? being notified if the person has implants in his clone? Because that doesn't give him an advantage *at all*, right?
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No. Next we will have people trying to justify this broken mechanic with arguments that are so bad, they will be afraid to post them with their main. EVE already is alts online. Im thinking that you and EVE have grown apart..
There are plenty of people who don't use booster alts. Its true their number is getting smaller but they are still around.
Crosi Wesdo wrote: Also, implants on mail is exactly the same argument as boosters on mail. Good or bad argument i dont really care. Personally i reject it on the grounds of how eve generates mails and the fact that it currently incompatible with your wishes. Though, as always, dont let the reality of a situation get in your way. Also the fact that fighting someone who is boosted is pretty obvious to the experienced pilot. Though im pretty sure you had no idea i was boosted when i killed you the other day lol.
No its not the same argument. When you are involved with killing someone, your ship shows up, but not your complete fit. Not every module on the ship is shown. (Nor is the op asking that every module of the booster ship or any other ship be shown. Just that the ship itself be shown)
I think they take the view that if you want to see how the ship is fit you need to kill it. The same goes for pods. Every ship that is involved in killing someone has a pod. So adding a "pod" in addition to the ship to each killmail would be sort of silly. But I don't really care add "pod" to every kill if you want. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
91
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:06:00 -
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If they're involved they should be on it. That's all that needs to be said really. |
iPod Nubz
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:11:00 -
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Cearain wrote:
There are plenty of people who don't use booster alts. Its true their number is getting smaller but they are still around.
There are plenty of people who use electricity. And then there are the amish. So, anyone forces the amish NOt to use electricity? no!
At least they don't whine about it in forums. It's their choice. The same way you chose not to have someone boost for you in fleet.
The KILLmail is a KILLmail. it is not a combat REPORT or anything. it shows who KILLED you, actively. Not what "went down". ok?
jeezus. |
Vizvig
Savage Blizzard Bright Side of Death
81
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Posted - 2013.04.29 11:31:00 -
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You right when put "solo" in the quotes.
But dont forget, this is designed for those who want looks as solo, and can pay for it. That''s mean "OGB in killmail" will never happens. |
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
328
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Posted - 2013.04.29 21:49:00 -
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I used to do a lot of 1v1s in Dodixie. Always honored, popped people in my own corp who interfered on occasion. After a time, I started realizing that people were using boosting alts. It didn't make much of a difference, I generally won because of competence. But it began to annoy me. I eventually trained my missioning toon to be a Skirmish/Armor/Siege booster. Haven't been upset since! |
Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
507
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Posted - 2013.04.29 22:37:00 -
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CCP will never fix OGB. I don't know why everyone says that they will. Can anyone actually provide me a link that says OGB will be fixed? Because I only remember reading CCP saying that they believe OGB is bad for the game but no timeline was ever provided as to when a fix was coming. If no timeline was ever provided, then don't presume it to be fixed. It may just be "Soonish" High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve . |
Taoist Dragon
Bastion of Mad Behaviour Caldari State Capturing
408
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Posted - 2013.04.30 01:13:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:CCP will never fix OGB. I don't know why everyone says that they will. Can anyone actually provide me a link that says OGB will be fixed? Because I only remember reading CCP saying that they believe OGB is bad for the game but no timeline was ever provided as to when a fix was coming. If no timeline was ever provided, then don't presume it to be fixed. It may just be "Soonish"
I remember reading a dev blog about it but I'll be buggered if I can find now.
Only thin that shows any detail is in this post
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=228046
Not sure if this is legit though but seems to follow what I can remember reading.
OGB fixed? vOv depends on your definition of fixed I guess. That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything. |
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