You're a pretty smart guy, thanks for figuring this out for the rest of us.

You're a pretty smart guy, thanks for figuring this out for the rest of us.

Sorry to hear about your apartment. I'm sure it'll all work out ok.
Shame about the isk though - but it's a game and all that, you can earn it back again in the next couple of weeks while you're bored.

Only a few actually oblige to send it back doubled.

Jeeze, man.... can't a guy have some nonstandard fun and attempt to grief the scammers?

You need to read their bio for the rules.

You need to read their bio for the rules.

I'm kind of curious how you intended to grief someone by giving them space-cash.

That's my point. Their "rules" don't matter. They don't pay out, and noobs need to know this.

The rules are usually quite clear. "1.5 BILL" is not an actual amount of space-cash, hence it will never be doubled.

That's my point. Their "rules" don't matter. They don't pay out, and noobs need to know this.

"****, I can't believe I got taken in by this obvious scam, this is so embarrassing. Wait, no, I've got it - I'll say I MEANT to do that! For science! And the children! Quick, to Blogspot!"

yesterday i actually played doubling and "Erotica 1" actually made me richer by 150 million

so nope, the picture is more complex than you seeing

*scratches head*

Gives away 1.2 billion ISK to a guy who will definitely come back ...

... and is proud of it ............................


I mean ... i know dodixie isn't actually the place with the brightest of people, but ...

.................. but ......................... uhm ....................

............. hmmmmmmmmmmm ....................................


We all should move to dodixie now, to make easy money .....................


And ... what the **** will a forum thread help anyway ?
It'll just make it worse ...............

knew I'd get comments like this..... look at that smirk on my character's face? Does that LOOK like the face of someone who cares about his reputation or bank account?

Who actually reads their bios, unless you want to mess with them?
I know I certainly didn't, until I decided "ok... it's time to clear you out of Dodixie"....

No ! :D
It looks like the face of a moron who has less brain than ego! :D

LOL.... a wild alt appears

well if this is your only help.... then i can live with it

and no: i will never make alt with such a stupid name like Erotica. For some reason i take alts seriously

People who fall for this scam don't deserve to keep that isk anyway.

Well, like I'd said.... noobs need to know this stuff, and I was just plain bored, so.... here you are.

Posting to confirm that it is completely necessary to pay a scammer in order to make noobs aware of the scam. Nobody has ever made noobs aware of a scam without first pretending to be taken in by the scammer in a non-refundable fashion.

This explanation makes perfect sense and this story is 100% plausible.

Tell ya what...

Swear fealty to me by "donating" 100% of your corporation's shares to my wallet and I'll help you blog about it

Sound fair?

I always keep my promise when people send me ISK, unlike those scammers.

What promise is that, exactly?

What do you think?

what good would my corp's shares do you? this corp is fail, and I'm about to dump it into the wastelands and move back to lowsec

Well if your going to dump your corp anyway, what's the harm?

Besides, I thought you might like a story to write about

no, that would be a dumb story, and you should feel bad for suggesting it.

If someone would be so kind as to sticky this. I shelled out a good amount of ISK to get this conversation to happen.

Noobs, don't fall for dumb crap. And here is why, in plain sight. I've been in this game long enough to know a scam, and decided to do something about one of them, so you all don't get roped into this kind of thing.
Flying since 2007... so sometimes, this is how bored I get with EVE

Read up and educate yourselves.

http://jarodgaramonde.blogspot.com/

The scammer sounded absolutely devastated that she took your 1.2b ISK and had to suffer your wrath and the ultimate humiliation of being BLOGGED about. My lord, man, ease up on the poor lass.

PS - next time you are 'plain bored' and want to blow 1.2 billion ISK in an effort to help newbs, buy us some ships, or some skill books or something. Anything else, rather than give your money to someone who is obviously (obvious to anyone with half a brain) scamming.

So did you prove that ISK doubling is a scam? Or that ISK doubling is a scam that really works?

I rather doubt that you deterred your spammer. But I'm confident you have encouraged a whole bunch of new scammers.

The people that fall for this aren't going to read this anyway.

They can't all be scams. I gave a guy 1b isk and he doubled it once. I think it was in jita.

Though well intentioned I feel the process is perhaps a bit misguided and fruitless.

1- you have reinforced the scam
2- such a scam runs on the greed of the particular player, you are not effecting that, nor can you reasonably hope to
3- players who actually get sucked in to 2x scams are not likely to be reading your post, if they do they will delete or distort 'facts' that fall outside of the model of things that have them fall for the scam in the first place.

The noob missions should have an ISK doubler with limited negative impact and a station agent that then tells you how stupid you were.

About 4 1/2 yrs ago, back when I was a young capsuleer, I took a chance on one of those 'Double Your ISK' things to the tune of 15 mill. That was pretty much my wallet amount. After I sent the ISK, the scammer did a private convo with me asking me to do 100 mill, Of course he didn't know I didn't have any more ISK. I simply told him to first double the 15 mill and then I'll gladly do the 100 mill. The scammer told me he was in convo with others and would do it shortly, then he left the private convo.

All attempts at trying to re-establish communications was futile. I then placed the scammer on watch list and set him to red standing. I then stayed logged into the game for long lengths of time, at least 16 hrs a day, always looking for him. When he logged back into the game, I used a locator agent and quickly warped over to the system he was in and spammed Local chat linking his name with the words = Liar, Thief, Scammer. Eventually he left the system and after I did a mad dash jumping into neighboring systems, I found him again and started doing the same thing again, spamming Local with my message about the scammer. He soon logged off.

However, I remained vigilant and whenever he came online, I was soon in the same system posting my message in Local. This went on for about a week, then one day he sent me a mail message saying I had won, deposited 15 mill in my wallet and told me to leave him alone.

Sure, I didn't get the 'Double Your ISK' but at least I got my initial amount back. Granted it took me some time to do that but in the end vengeance was mine. I've heard it said before that vengeance is best when served cold but I'm here to tell you that it's way better when served fresh, hot off the grill.



DMC

You spent a week logged into Eve for 16 hours a day, following someone around for 15 mil.

You're either crazy or daft, maybe a little of both.

yesterday i actually played doubling and "Erotica 1" actually made me richer by 150 million

so nope, the picture is more complex than you seeing

This is absurd, I recently couldn't afford plexing my account and I seen Erotica 1, and she seemed pretty legit from what the forums say.

So I asked her nicely explained the situation and sent her 250 mil isk, she sent back 500 mil so I could plex my account.

OP just tried forcing her into what she would have already done freely (double the isk) so to teach him a lesson he got burnt, oh well play by the rules next time and it will go in your favour.

The majority of the people who do these things aren't scammers they are just extremely space rich and like to help other people.

I dunno what youre on about. My ISK always comes back doubled.

Don't be sorry about the isk.... didn't you pick up that I did this on purpose? :p

I'm not quite sure how giving a scammer's recyclable alt some ISK is going to "remove them from Didoxi" or even warn a new player when the scam is about as obvious as trying to sell somebody the Statue of Liberty ...

But congratulations on validating their tactics to the scammer.

Or wait.

Is this some elaborate scam? Next you're going to tell us you succeeded in driving ISK doublers out of Didoxi and ask us to send you 2.4 billion to do the same in Jita?

I proved that I can spend 1.2 bil to troll the entire forum for a few hours... and add some interest to the game when I can't PvP....

While i can sort of understand what you are trying to do, you have to understand that this is something that has been said so many times over and over again that one more wont make any real difference (as an example look at a certain recruitment scam from one of the more known alliances).

When it comes down to it new players (and plenty of old ones im sure) gets scammed because they dont take the time to do any form of research and are blissfully ignorant of how harsh EVE can be.

In a way (in my own opinion) its a good thing that young players gets to experience getting scammed once since it will teach them to do proper research, encourage them to find creative ways around these scams (look at DMC's post as an example), and finally teaches them that you can not trust anyone in EVE (especially if they want to give you free stuff for no apparent reason at all ).

But honestly...this is just another thread describing the same scam as countless other threads, and while this thread has been growing, his wallet has most likely grown as well.

Now that you put it that way, that makes a lot more sense. But, I tried playing, sober, one time, and EVE just put me to sleep... half the fun of this game, for me, is to put myself in stupid messes, for stupid reasons, and see how fast I can dig out.

I mean, I remember this one noob that went up to Njalli and slapped his Myrmidon in the face, with a failfit Mega, just for laughs..... and subsequently got his brain pulled out through his *******, while Njalli didn't even break a sweat. Oh, wait.... that was me.

I am sympathetic most of the time to other eve players who get scammed, but what makes me want to keep flaming this thread, is simply this.

You should have ABSOLUTELY NO EXPECTATION of getting stuff for free in this game, irregardless of whether you attempt to shame a scammer or not.

Lets say that the pressure you put on the scammer worked, lets say they doubled your isk... would you be posting here? absolutely not.

YOU are posting here, simply because you are angry with losing 1.2 bil or 1.4 bil whichever it was and you want some kind of justice or this is your attempt at reasoning your loss, instead of admitting you got scammed. (which is what happened)

You are trying to justify your loss with this absurd public service announcement, TRULY does anybody here even remotely expected your isk to be doubled?


You gambled and lossed, I doubt if anyone cares about your so called public service announcement, but I for one am glad you made it, so If I ever cross your path and need to engage in any kind of acitivity with you a simple forum search will show this absurd thread and I will know you are just one of those get rich quick types.


The best move you can possibly do now, is edit all your posts in this thread so they are blank and ask for it being locked.

What do you mean all those guys giving away free isk if only I'll send them my isk first aren't legit?

My point is boredom makes you do dumb things...

If someone would be so kind as to sticky this. I shelled out a good amount of ISK to get this conversation to happen.

Noobs, don't fall for dumb crap. And here is why, in plain sight. I've been in this game long enough to know a scam, and decided to do something about one of them, so you all don't get roped into this kind of thing.
Flying since 2007... so sometimes, this is how bored I get with EVE

Read up and educate yourselves.

http://jarodgaramonde.blogspot.com/

This is absurd, I recently couldn't afford plexing my account and I seen Erotica 1, and she seemed pretty legit from what the forums say.

So I asked her nicely explained the situation and sent her 250 mil isk, she sent back 500 mil so I could plex my account.

OP just tried forcing her into what she would have already done freely (double the isk) so to teach him a lesson he got burnt, oh well play by the rules next time and it will go in your favour.

The majority of the people who do these things aren't scammers they are just extremely space rich and like to help other people.

...They don't pay out, and noobs need to know this...

I waited a while... then I took screenshots. I mean... sure, Erotica 1 got 1.2 bil out of this, but hell if I care, as long as this drives her out of Dodixie.

It'd be worth the 1.2bil just to get one more scammer out of Dodixie.

About 4 1/2 yrs ago, back when I was a young capsuleer, I took a chance on one of those 'Double Your ISK' things to the tune of 15 mill. That was pretty much my wallet amount. After I sent the ISK, the scammer did a private convo with me asking me to do 100 mill, Of course he didn't know I didn't have any more ISK. I simply told him to first double the 15 mill and then I'll gladly do the 100 mill. The scammer told me he was in convo with others and would do it shortly, then he left the private convo.

All attempts at trying to re-establish communications was futile. I then placed the scammer on watch list and set him to red standing. I then stayed logged into the game for long lengths of time, at least 16 hrs a day, always looking for him. When he logged back into the game, I used a locator agent and quickly warped over to the system he was in and spammed Local chat linking his name with the words = Liar, Thief, Scammer. Eventually he left the system and after I did a mad dash jumping into neighboring systems, I found him again and started doing the same thing again, spamming Local with my message about the scammer. He soon logged off.

However, I remained vigilant and whenever he came online, I was soon in the same system posting my message in Local. This went on for about a week, then one day he sent me a mail message saying I had won, deposited 15 mill in my wallet and told me to leave him alone.

Sure, I didn't get the 'Double Your ISK' but at least I got my initial amount back. Granted it took me some time to do that but in the end vengeance was mine. I've heard it said before that vengeance is best when served cold but I'm here to tell you that it's way better when served fresh, hot off the grill.



DMC

shill.

Edit: in other MMO's it is possible for a single player to rid a single server of 'ISK'/'gold' doublers. I do not think the scale or mechanics of EVE allow this. There are two steps. Often only one is needed.

1- you bombard their means of trade with zero value transactions. It makes it impossible for them to respond to their marks.
2- while doing this you actively troll them out into public, beyond their bot ads. They get quite angry and ruin their own market, but usually that is not even necessary.

I know this works because I have done it multiple times in multiple games. It simply becomes unprofitable for them to operate in that area or on that server. This actually works for many kinds of third party profiteers. Eventually you can create a local cultural norm about it where the potential marks now have a persistent hostility toward such activities and take pride in trolling them out. The ISK doubler is essentially 'lazy' and will move to someplace easier to operate. Because EVE is geared to be able to handle transactions and is so vast this would not likely work here, nor be worth the trouble. It is necessary to create a consistently hostile business environment for them. Though it does not take the kind of 16 hour obsession reported here, you do have to be vigilant for a short period of time and willing to log an alt. Educating the 'mark' alone is insufficient. However if other people relaize they can punish the doubler in some way it very rapidly becomes good fun to do so. Actually paying the doubler anything is the opposite direction you want to go. If you cannot destroy their profitability through insane transaction costs there is little you can do. 'Education' such as the OP imagines not only does not work, but creates the opportunity for shilling by the doublers themselves, as we see above.

People like you are the cancer of EVE, OP.

If people like you weren't so dumb or wanna-be-clever, there would be a lot less scammers spamming the channels.

Jarod, could you just cut out the text boxes and post them in full size? I checked your screen shot and the text was too small to be readable without effort.

Or, better yet, maybe you could just post the chat log?

And, as an aside, I think you should conduct another test on a "real" ISK doubler. If you send me 1 billion ISK I will give you 2 billion ISK in return. If you doubt me there is only one way to prove it.

Jarod, could you just cut out the text boxes and post them in full size? I checked your screen shot and the text was too small to be readable without effort.

Or, better yet, maybe you could just post the chat log?

And, as an aside, I think you should conduct another test on a "real" ISK doubler. If you send me 1 billion ISK I will give you 2 billion ISK in return. If you doubt me there is only one way to prove it.

i didn't know isk doublers were scams, thanks for the notice!

This is all that I could picture while reading this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdF_Vo4B6Ms

He's the Eve equivalent of Overly Attached Girlfriend.

Hell, Andski, Tippia, DMC and Frying Doom does that all day and none of them spends a single ISK to do so ...

If someone would be so kind as to sticky this. I shelled out a good amount of ISK to get this conversation to happen.

Noobs, don't fall for dumb crap. And here is why, in plain sight. I've been in this game long enough to know a scam, and decided to do something about one of them, so you all don't get roped into this kind of thing.
Flying since 2007... so sometimes, this is how bored I get with EVE

Read up and educate yourselves.

http://jarodgaramonde.blogspot.com/

Lol. Can't tell if drunk or challenged in other ways.

Did you expect anything less after you bent over for a scammer, and then came to brag about it?

'its not a pyramid scheme! Its a lateral business elevation opportunity!' said by some rich guy who tried to convince me to invest in his company. At least we got a free banquet.

I love it when people do something really dumb and then try and excuse it by trying to claim they meant it all along making them seem even more dumb. :)

As my new friend Jarod has realized, I was in dodixie all day today. Despite all sorts of fail attempts, players still played and were rewarded handsomely. Well, not all. I am actually up around 4b today net because many did fail the rules.

"Dude.... you're a scammer, and I'm not falling for your scam, I don't care how many people say you're legit. But, I'm bored, so here's my money, and I'm going to try to ruin your ill-gotten credibility. Watch me give zero f***s, and make a joke out of it.... even if I'm the only one who thinks it's funny." pretty much sums it up.

Sry. istill don't get it. what credibility? Who's ruined and why? o_O

Couldn't You just have stalked her until she paid You 1bil to stop posting in local or something like that? The ignore button is always an option, You know...

Your most "clever" action to "reveal" a scammer* was so ******** that I cannot find words strong enough to describe how stupid it actually was.

* I'd actually refrain from using the word scammer since the "scheme" she used was so old and so well known that it could hardly be called a scam anymore.

As my new friend Jarod has realized, I was in dodixie all day today. Despite all sorts of fail attempts, players still played and were rewarded handsomely. Well, not all. I am actually up around 4b today net because many did fail the rules.

As I have informed my war targets, I have the war set to autopay for 3 more weeks, so I will be here for some time. Eventually I will go back to my beloved home of Jita.

I wish I could post the chatlog here. Jarod made it sound in our chat that he was eve famous (thought I doubted because I know most who are) and that he had this really popular blog that would ruin me. I was really looking foward to being featured on themittani.com but instead it was some **** blog made just for me. Not even it's own domain, but hosted on blogspot.

Look, I like the guy and he seems nice and all. But the pics look fake to me. He said he would make it his project to ruin me, so I can only assume he is some pro graphic designer by day and drunk troll by night.

When this thread stops getting views, and it will, you can find me here on the forums for isk doubling

In the meantime, I hope everyone looks me up and plays a round or so of my game. Just read the rules carefully. Please do not convo me asking me to explain them further or ask every time you send. I rely on people who can't comprehend the rules to make my profit, which pays for my account and my eve shopping problem.

Everyone knows I'm legit, but if you have doubts just ask around or search google or the forums.

And please everyone, this is a fun internet spaceship game. Try to have fun!

As my new friend Jarod has realized, I was in dodixie all day today. Despite all sorts of fail attempts, players still played and were rewarded handsomely. Well, not all. I am actually up around 4b today net because many did fail the rules.

As I have informed my war targets, I have the war set to autopay for 3 more weeks, so I will be here for some time. Eventually I will go back to my beloved home of Jita.

I wish I could post the chatlog here. Jarod made it sound in our chat that he was eve famous (thought I doubted because I know most who are) and that he had this really popular blog that would ruin me. I was really looking foward to being featured on themittani.com but instead it was some **** blog made just for me. Not even it's own domain, but hosted on blogspot.

Look, I like the guy and he seems nice and all. But the pics look fake to me. He said he would make it his project to ruin me, so I can only assume he is some pro graphic designer by day and drunk troll by night.

When this thread stops getting views, and it will, you can find me here on the forums for isk doubling

In the meantime, I hope everyone looks me up and plays a round or so of my game. Just read the rules carefully. Please do not convo me asking me to explain them further or ask every time you send. I rely on people who can't comprehend the rules to make my profit, which pays for my account and my eve shopping problem.

Everyone knows I'm legit, but if you have doubts just ask around or search google or the forums.

And please everyone, this is a fun internet spaceship game. Try to have fun!

Signed and liked, very professional thanks for standing up to this drunk troll I only hopes he tries again

...
and realizing that I don't take EVE all that seriously...

If someone would be so kind as to sticky this. I shelled out a good amount of ISK to get this conversation to happen.

Noobs, don't fall for dumb crap. And here is why, in plain sight. I've been in this game long enough to know a scam, and decided to do something about one of them, so you all don't get roped into this kind of thing.
Flying since 2007... so sometimes, this is how bored I get with EVE

Read up and educate yourselves.

http://jarodgaramonde.blogspot.com/

If someone would be so kind as to sticky this. I shelled out a good amount of ISK to get this conversation to happen.

Noobs, don't fall for dumb crap. And here is why, in plain sight. I've been in this game long enough to know a scam, and decided to do something about one of them, so you all don't get roped into this kind of thing.
Flying since 2007... so sometimes, this is how bored I get with EVE

Read up and educate yourselves.

http://jarodgaramonde.blogspot.com/

I too was scammed by erotica 1!!!

I sent her 2b and she refused to double me. Now I am broke and have nothing. I spent so long mining to get to that level and now have to start all over! She won't even give me a refund, which PROVES she's a scam.

I have done some defective work though and discovered she has been blogging about her conquests on some website by a guy called Psycho Monk HERE:

http://belligerentundesirables.com/

You should link her forum acrticles from your blog and ruin her scam!

Can anyone out there lend me some isk to help start over? I have learned my lesson.

You were not scammed.

You did not follow the rules.

You played her game and lost.

if you expected to get 2 billion doubled, I would say you did not even read the rules.

Erotica1's game is very simple.

The rules are clear, yet it is easy to miss a key point in those rules that will result in you losing the game. If you lose it is just like losing when gambling, the money you lost is gone. Vegas does not refund your money when you lose. I am not Trying to make you feel dumb because you lost. Far more players fall to follow the rules and lose, than those that do follow the rules and win. That is what makes the game work. If more players win than lose she will not make any money.

This game is based on greed. Players get so excited that she actually does payout what she says that they forget the rules and send isk amounts that do not follow the rules.

If you want to play the game add her to your watch list, Send isk only when you see she is online.

Read her Bio carefully, If you follow ALL the rules, you will get your isk doubled, tripled or even 5 times what you send her.

Jeeze, man.... can't a guy have some nonstandard fun and attempt to grief the scammers?

LMFAO nice attempt to save face op. these people don't care if their publicly exposed... Have fun making back your 1.2 bil hopefully it's being put to better use.