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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
A T O N E M E N T
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Posted - 2013.07.25 06:19:00 -
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After reading a hell of a lot - It is still not clear on Logitech Keyboard use.
If I have a 'G' key set up to Lock, Set Orbit and Turn on all Modules in one key stroke - Which must be done while at the Computer - Is that ok or not.
Just a YES or NO answer from a Dev would be nice.
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Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA
C0VEN
129
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Posted - 2013.07.25 07:31:00 -
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Well you are using macro/automation that under 1 click you can do multiple operations, always in the same order.
If you try to do it manually, you can do mistake, miss click , etc.
From my perspective you are using macros - build in in external hardware .
What is the difference between AHK that will do the same actions after 1 click and keyboard recorded macro.
Approach and effect is the same.
Still for CCP it will be hard as hell to check it, so they will not even bother ;)
Phantasm
- 150% speed bonus in cloak
- 2LY jump range
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Kanati Asgaya
North Shore Industrials
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Posted - 2013.08.13 11:34:00 -
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Octoven wrote:Mila Chancel wrote:Midnight Firestarter wrote:Quote:You seem to have missed the part where CCP can legally refuse service to you for any or no reason. Not if that reason is illegally scanning my PC ... And yes than can refuse their service ... but they still have to defend the Claim. You are new to EULA and TOS on the internet aren't you? EULA and TOS is to protect the company from any undue legal recourse; however, they arent a free ticket from law. The EULA may be justified under Icelandic law, but may be illegal in another country and if they are offering service to say the UK, they can apply the EULA but they still must fall under jurisdictional law of that country in order to offer its services to that country. If they violate it, said country has the right to blacklist the game and deny them customers. In short, CCP would not have to fork over any money, but they would lose a ton of subs due to it. I would like to mention this has already happened in the UK with Apple. A person filed a small claims saying that Apple did not have the right to enforce a TOS on OSX software when it wasnt clearly displayed on the packaging before the customer purchased it. As per UK law, all TOS and EULAs must be presented on packaging before bought. In the end the guy made a killing off it and Apple no longer has stores in the UK.
Odd, a quick Google search shows numerous Apple stores in the UK...
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
Independent Faction
281
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Posted - 2013.08.19 00:43:00 -
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I wonder if we'll ever hear anything about this, or if it has come to be another one of those 'Big Secret' subjects that CCP will not clarify, just make it a mysterious 'reason' for bans on players they don't like?
The Most Interesting Player In Eve. |
Master Justasii
Viable and Useless Exports LLC
3
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Posted - 2013.08.29 04:29:00 -
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It would be very helpful and necessary to know if hardware enabled HID macros will be allowed or not. I consider these types of macros to fall short of an automated bot in every way. Also, for all practical purposes, HID macros can only accomplish relatively simple tasks on their own. A straight answer would be preferred, and the answer should be 'Allowed' Keymapping and customization of HID input does not modify the client, it does not use any information from the client, and it requires direct input from the the user at the time of execution. To ban these would be at the same level as banning anyone who changed the hotkeys from the defaults. It could be easily argued that a user gained advantage by re-arranging the hotkeys into a more efficient configuration, therefore gained an advantage over a user who did not. I see little difference between the two. |
Diziet Melyantim
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Posted - 2013.09.01 01:22:00 -
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CCP Peligro wrote:Ha! I wish... On a more serious note, this operation is around 2 months in the making, and the total number of accounts involved in this one (2350) is a small fraction of the number of accounts we have banned in the past year.
We are presenting a bunch of numbers and graphs at fanfest, this will be recorded. I'll put them up in a dev blog afterwards as well.
As much as I like the more or less recent and effective crackdown on botters, this elitism on factuals doesn't really sound good at all. Not all of us puny mortal players are able to traverse to the ever so lovely Reykjavik to witness the magical graphs, numbers and figures you so gloriously speak of.
...And I mean bloody proper figures, completely transparent ones. Given the 30ish pages I've just read. Or do we need to abolish CSM and create a new one if the previous one failed to point out possible corruption within the lines?
Then again, might just unsub the accounts, but that's not really an option is it :) |
Atum
Eclipse Industrials
Quantum Forge
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Posted - 2013.09.01 17:06:00 -
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Diziet Melyantim wrote:Not all of us puny mortal players are able to traverse to the ever so lovely Reykjavik to witness the magical graphs, numbers and figures you so gloriously speak of.
...And I mean bloody proper figures, completely transparent ones. Given the 30ish pages I've just read. Or do we need to abolish CSM and create a new one if the previous one failed to point out possible corruption within the lines?
Or you could, y'know... watch it on YouTube... Bloody peasants... |
Diziet Melyantim
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Posted - 2013.09.02 10:26:00 -
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Atum wrote:Diziet Melyantim wrote:Not all of us puny mortal players are able to traverse to the ever so lovely Reykjavik to witness the magical graphs, numbers and figures you so gloriously speak of.
...And I mean bloody proper figures, completely transparent ones. Given the 30ish pages I've just read. Or do we need to abolish CSM and create a new one if the previous one failed to point out possible corruption within the lines? Or you could, y'know... watch it on YouTube... Bloody peasants...
I stand corrected, thank you.
Needlessly agitated post on my behalf in the first place, sorry about that folks. |
Cismet
Icon Inc.
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:23:00 -
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CCP Stillman wrote:Horatius Caul wrote:Uppsy Daisy wrote:
The EULA has always been completely vague. The nearest we have had previously was that cache scraping was legal.
All EULAs are vague, on purpose. Why? Because they are written to allow the first party to cover all eventualities and do whatever they want with you. The EULA also makes it clear that CCP can ban you for whatever reasons they feel like, should it come to that. A dev saying that something is okay or another dev saying something should be okay to do doesn't actually void the agreement you've accepted which states that doing so is not okay. The EULA is written by lawyers to protect the company, and random members of staff can't alter its clauses. What they can do is opt to enforce or not enforce the clauses on a case-by-case basis, which CCP's security staff does. They could just as easily take a blanket approach to the TOS and EULA and enforce it by the letter, which wouldn't just ban everybody using EVEMON but also everybody who's ever used Triexporter to play around with EVE's 3D models, textures, or fonts. But they haven't, because they value these things in the community and don't consider you a bad person. CCP has made an effort to separate botters from other people who violate the EULA, which is more than you can expect from most companies. "Is this in violation of the EULA" and "Will I get banned for this" are two completely different questions. This gentleman is spot on.  Trust me, we have no interest in banning people unless they are doing something that hurts the game.
The EULA forms a contract. Ambiguity in contract law favours the side that didn't write the contract in most Western countries. Likewise the EULA cannot be used to take away any legally granted rights in any country of residence so the EULA needs to be non-vague or you cannot enforce it at all. |
NCAP Target Dummy
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.09.05 07:29:00 -
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What's now the official position about market cache scraping?
Seems in the last patch the cache format changed, so almost all of market data uploader stopped working.
But last time, the officials said "scaping won't be punished", however this change (and the need to reverse engineer the cache again) suggest other.
I understand, that there is a large number of market bot (even for hauler trading), whom get their data from this sites, but it was also useful for ordinary players, to save a few hundred thousand or million when fitting a new ship, or manufacturing, etc. |
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Dr Felonius
Civilian Purposes Limited
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Posted - 2013.09.05 14:08:00 -
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NCAP Target Dummy wrote:What's now the official position about market cache scraping?
Seems in the last patch the cache format changed, so almost all of market data uploader stopped working.
But last time, the officials said "scaping won't be punished", however this change (and the need to reverse engineer the cache again) suggest other.
I understand, that there is a large number of market bot (even for hauler trading), whom get their data from this sites, but it was also useful for ordinary players, to save a few hundred thousand or million when fitting a new ship, or manufacturing, etc.
If CCP intends to put a stop to cache scraping for market data, I hope they'll provide an official market API portal to replace it. I understand the desire to keep the game complex, but manually adding market data to a spreadsheet isn't complex, it's just tedious.
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Atum
Eclipse Industrials
Quantum Forge
85
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Posted - 2013.09.05 14:09:00 -
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NCAP Target Dummy wrote:What's now the official position about market cache scraping?
CCP Peligro lays it out here. Basically, if you're just scraping to upload to market sites or save the hassle of copypasta into your spreadsheets, it's not a problem. If you're scraping to do something nefarious (like run a market bot), Team Security will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furrrrrrrrrrrrrrriuous anger! |
Sarah Stallman
Pen2 Logistics
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Posted - 2013.09.07 12:22:00 -
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CCP Stillman wrote:Ganthrithor wrote:If your department doesn't have the capacity to evaluate and green-list third party tools then you need to avoid language that makes using any tool an EULA violation. The language of the third party policies post does not change the EULA. It simply explains the EULA more in depth. We can't green-list third party tools. For one thing, doing so could make us legally liable for the actions done by third parties. So I'm afraid it's not just feasible, even if it would make things easier.
OK, I completely see where you are coming from. There is an idea I have suggested several times that has never been replied to, which is this:
Make a black list of behaviors that can and have gotten people banned. All of them. Then slap a boilerplate on it that the list is a guideline and not comprehensive, that CCP reserves the right to add, remove or alter entries without notice, then add it as an reference appendix to the EULA.
This way, third party developers will be able to get a solid understanding of the kind of behaviors that are not approved of without in any way infringing on CCP's ability to retain the final word on what is and is not allowed. The list wouldn't even be part of the EULA itself, just a list of behaviors that have historically bet met with severe disciplinary action.
When I was heavy into my networking coursework at university, one of my professors spent a full three hour lecture discussing the ins and outs of writing a good acceptable use policy, and the fundamental tenet was that everything in the document had to be enforced equally, that here in the States at least there is legal precedent of employees winning wrongful termination suits because of unequal enforcement of a policy, even when they were fired for something that was specifically in violation of a document they signed. That last doesn't really apply in this case, as the EULA does provision for banning with or without cause, but still.
The SANS Instutute (SysAdmin, Audit, Networking, and Security) actually has a published template for an acceptable use policy that may be an interesting read, if you have not already seen it. You can find that HERE. If you read through it, you will note that every single item in it is realistically enforceable in 100% of applicable cases, with no managerial hand-waving. |
Andy Landen
Battlestars
Ex Cinere Scriptor
133
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Posted - 2013.09.09 21:25:00 -
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What's wrong with market bots? CCP has failed to improve the market since the beginning of my time in the game many years ago.
Hey, CCP! Look at how the real commodities market works. Look at how real commodities traders pull the data and process it. It's about time Eve get a market mechanics update!
Let's have real collateral for buy orders on the margin, just like real brokerage houses require. Let's have both buy and sell orders for speculators with automatic exit options. A buy order with an automatic sell order condition created, and sell orders with the option to exit on certain conditions with buy orders. No more 1 ISK'ing tedious non-sense. Maybe even create the pit boss role for those with lots of ISK and know how. Surely someone at CCP is willing to learn how real commodities markets work. The market was the primary element of my interest in Eve when I first subscribed. Come on CCP! Let's get this market working like real markets work!
"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them."
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