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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
223
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Posted - 2013.04.20 17:03:00 -
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Given long enough locked in a room with a cup of tea, I suspect he'd drink.
The question is how we go about de-clawing the CPD.
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Sofia Roseburn
Coreli Corporation
7
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Posted - 2013.04.20 17:14:00 -
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Sakura Nihil wrote:So, are any State loyalists finally coming around to my point of view, that we should just murder the guy and be done with it?
Murder is such a base word. Remove permanently from office has a much nicer ring to it. If only we had more people like Launette Vylier. |
iyammarrok
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
59
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Posted - 2013.04.20 17:24:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Given long enough locked in a room with a cup of tea, I suspect he'd drink.
The question is how we go about de-clawing the CPD.
Just my thoughts on the matter here, but a full CBT investigation and the subsequent arrest and prosecution of any Dragonaur within their number would be a good start.
Without those stirring up dissent and hatred it is likely that most of the CPD would return to their respective megacorporations and fall back into line.
though that is probably the best case scenario. I'd rather not contemplate the worst case. Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
470
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Posted - 2013.04.20 17:43:00 -
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I'm going to play advocate in the same manner a UoC professor would in challenging her students; as in, by playing contrarian, one may reinforce their own beliefs by backing it up in the face of counter-points. It's a key element to the art of debate. Unfortunately, it is mistaken for unbridled attacks and reciprocated with rage.
What is inherently wrong with what Executor Heth has said? As an outsider, what I might see is just another echo chamber response to how nobody likes Tibus Heth. After all, it is easy to score points with other capsuleers if there is a mutual channeling of dislike towards Heth. Look at how Diana Kim is ostracized amongst capsuleers for her beliefs. Even if there is logical thought to backing up the disapproval, are we confident this logic isn't derived from entrenched bias?
Executor Heth is proposing a single State where all Caldari are united under one nation, not eight corporations that each claim to be representing the Caldari (I am not saying their claims are invalid). If you removed the corporations, the threat of civil war is eliminated, as you do not have eight gargantuan interstellar entities that each have their own military. There will be no internecine warfare based on human greed and competition. There will be many benefits, I'm sure, though I do not have the time to do my reading and list them all out here.
So, are we sure our dissent is rational, rather than not influenced by desiring the approval of other capsuleers, or coloured by our historical grievances with Executor Tibus Heth? Is this exactly what the megacorporations want you to think? Tibus Heth is proposing their abolition; when referring to realpolitik, they are naturally going to do anything to maintain power by spinning their own propaganda against the Provist proposal. Through this light, you are doing what those in power want you to do; vehemently disapprove of it rather than consider the other side of the argument.
Neither the Federated Union nor the Caldari State were around 300 years ago. They may not be in another 300. Any merits in what Tibus Heth has said has been lost in the noise of the echo chamber. |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
474
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Posted - 2013.04.20 17:48:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:I'm going to play advocate in the same manner a UoC professor would in challenging her students; as in, by playing contrarian, one may reinforce their own beliefs by backing it up in the face of counter-points. It's a key element to the art of debate. Unfortunately, it is mistaken for unbridled attacks and reciprocated with rage.
What is inherently wrong with what Executor Heth has said? As an outsider, what I might see is just another echo chamber response to how nobody likes Tibus Heth. After all, it is easy to score points with other capsuleers if there is a mutual channeling of dislike towards Heth. Look at how Diana Kim is ostracized amongst capsuleers for her beliefs. Even if there is logical thought to backing up the disapproval, are we confident this logic isn't derived from entrenched bias?
Executor Heth is proposing a single State where all Caldari are united under one nation, not eight corporations that each claim to be representing the Caldari (I am not saying their claims are invalid). If you removed the corporations, the threat of civil war is eliminated, as you do not have eight gargantuan interstellar entities that each have their own military. There will be no internecine warfare based on human greed and competition. You can still have a meritocracy in a unitary system. There will be many benefits, I'm sure, though I do not have the time to do my reading and list them all out here.
So, are we sure our dissent is rational, rather than not influenced by desiring the approval of other capsuleers, or coloured by our historical grievances with Executor Tibus Heth? Is this exactly what the megacorporations want you to think? Tibus Heth is proposing their abolition; when referring to realpolitik, they are naturally going to do anything to maintain power by spinning their own propaganda against the Provist proposal. Through this light, you are doing what those in power want you to do; vehemently disapprove of it rather than consider the other side of the argument.
Neither the Federated Union nor the Caldari State were around 300 years ago. They may not be in another 300. Any merits in what Tibus Heth has said has been lost in the noise of the echo chamber.
Not that I disagree or agree, but on the same line of thought, is there merit to your eyes in the one unified nation in New Eden instead of the four gargantuan empires ? |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
470
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Posted - 2013.04.20 17:58:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Not that I disagree or agree, but on the same line of thought, is there merit to your eyes in the one unified nation in New Eden instead of the four gargantuan empires ?
The Caldari are a relatively homogenized civilization; in my opinion, that is what makes the State megacorporations so efficient. It is far easier to administer a homogeneous population than a composite group of multiple populations with different expectations and world views. But that is the challenge of pluralism.
A single New Eden entity will have the difficulty of trying to administer a heterogeneous population. We can see the pitfalls of this with the current Federation. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
943
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Posted - 2013.04.20 18:24:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:I'm going to play advocate in the same manner a UoC professor would in challenging her students; as in, by playing contrarian, one may reinforce their own beliefs by backing it up in the face of counter-points. It's a key element to the art of debate. Unfortunately, it is mistaken for unbridled attacks and reciprocated with rage.
Okay. I'll take what you say at face value.
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Executor Heth is proposing a single State where all Caldari are united under one nation, not eight corporations that each claim to be representing the Caldari (I am not saying their claims are invalid). If you removed the corporations, the threat of civil war is eliminated, as you do not have eight gargantuan interstellar entities that each have their own military. There will be no internecine warfare based on human greed and competition. You can still have a meritocracy in a unitary system. There will be many benefits, I'm sure, though I do not have the time to do my reading and list them all out here.
The Caldari are, as has been said many times, by nature an authoritarian race. We believe in conformity, following the social order and maintaining the Status Quo. We are probably one of the only races in New Eden where it is unfashionable to criticise a superior unless you believe you could step in and do a better job.
This authoritarianism is both a strong advantage and a possible disadvantage - if we are led to a cliff, it is possible that we will march off the damn thing, still in step until we hit the bottom. By maintaining a weak central government we provide those offsetting viewpoints that might not otherwise find expression. Wiyrkomi will argue with Lai Dai. Kalaakiota will argue with Ishukone. In order for the State to move as one, a proper majority must be achieved within the CEP - and the representatives in the CEP are subject to the approval of their shareholders.
In the system Executor Heth desires there will be no proper checks or balances upon his power. I imagine we'll be out of the Yulai convention and at full war with the Gallente within the year.
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:So, are we sure our dissent is rational, rather than not influenced by desiring the approval of other capsuleers, or coloured by our historical grievances with Executor Tibus Heth? Is this exactly what the megacorporations want you to think? Tibus Heth is proposing their abolition; when referring to realpolitik, they are naturally going to do anything to maintain power by spinning their own propaganda against the Provist proposal. Through this light, you are doing what those in power want you to do; vehemently disapprove of it rather than consider the other side of the argument.
Neither the Federated Union nor the Caldari State were around 300 years ago. They may not be in another 300. Any merits in what Tibus Heth has said has been lost in the noise of the echo chamber.
Ever since the first Gal/Cal War the existence of the State has been for the purpose of preserving the Caldari Way. Our traditions. Our culture. Our specific way of life. Executor Heth seeks to scrap the State in order to create a new society dedicated to what? The renewal of the Old Raata Empire?
Are we to return to expansionism? To Imperialism? No! These are values that do not serve the State in the slightest! Executor Heth seeks to forge the State into a weapon for the sole purpose of striking at the Gallente - and such has never been our relationship with our cousins. It is more than folly, it is madness - Heth is mad. Those who follow him now either share this madness or they hope to profit from it! |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
223
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Posted - 2013.04.20 19:08:00 -
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Mr. Inhonores;
Tuulinen-haan has already addressed some core points. Let me simply highlight one of his comments, and expand on it: "...forge the State into a weapon for the sole purpose of striking at the Gallente."
This cannot be stressed enough. Through his attempt to prevent food and medical aid from being delivered to Caldari Prime, to his arrest of those who executives that resigned in protest, to this latest effort to dismantle the existing State, Heth has demonstrated that his objective is not a stronger Caldari people.His objective is to do harm to -- ideally, in his mind, destroy -- the Gallente Federation.
We of the State honor those who best serve the State and its ideals -- duty, productivity, competition. Heth has conflated duty with personal loyalty, and has replaced the other ideals with the desire to commit genocide.
Heth's State isn't the State I grew up in, and it's not the State I serve. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
747
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Posted - 2013.04.20 20:31:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Unifying the State now is the best course of action.
The Power is in Unity!
We should not allow traitors to separate our nation into small parts, and sell these parts to Gallenteans one by one!
(Sigh...)
And it seemed like you were doing so well for a while there, Kim :/
Meta-gaming for carebears:
Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1166
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Posted - 2013.04.20 21:52:00 -
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it did? I must have blinked and missed it. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
645
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Posted - 2013.04.21 03:56:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote: ... After all, it is easy to score points with other capsuleers if there is a mutual channeling of dislike towards Heth. Look at how Diana Kim is ostracized amongst capsuleers for her beliefs...
Kim is ostracized because she's a xenophobe, a racist, an advocate of genocide, a fascist and an unrepentant murderer. People disagree with her absolute and unquestioning blind loyalty to Heth and the Provists not with her loyalty to the State. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
397
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Posted - 2013.04.21 08:12:00 -
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Sakura Nihil wrote:So, are any State loyalists finally coming around to my point of view, that we should just murder the guy and be done with it? I have been in agreement for some time now on this matter, though with Heth's recent blunders and the swing of public opinion, it is safer and easier to express said opinion (Though, as a capsuleer, I am at less risk of reprisal for my views, and I most definitely take advantage of that capability.)
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Brandi Wiseman
Precept Inc
0
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Posted - 2013.04.21 11:50:00 -
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This is little more than a claim by Heth to form a dictatorship. This is what stands at odds with what it means to be Caldari, a state which thrives through corporate competition and subsequent technological advancement and enhancement.
Should we follow Heth, our State would be isolated from the rest of New Eden and we would all be the poorer for it. Meanwhile, for all of Heth's bluster, it was on his watch that the State lost a Titan in orbit of one our own planets. Heth should be building bridges, not smashing them down and leading inevitably to the State continuing to lose ground.
In his speech last week, Heth appeared sluggish and I wonder whether his supporters should be wondering whether he is capable of leading his own megacorporation, let alone making a claim to be 'supreme leader' or whatever title he would care to choose. |
Vincent Pryce
Utopian Research I.E.L. Suddenly Spaceships.
69
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Posted - 2013.04.23 18:57:00 -
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If this tragicomedy actually plays through I wonder how long before the Achura face ethnic purges or indentured servitude under the re-imagined Raata Empire. They were not of Caldari, their blood is not Caldari and once long ago they too were part of the 'insidious' Gallente Federation. Part of the sole thing that is the core of all evil and injustice in the universe in the eyes of emperor Heth. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
418
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Posted - 2013.04.23 19:45:00 -
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Vincent Pryce wrote:If this tragicomedy actually plays through I wonder how long before the Achura face ethnic purges or indentured servitude under the re-imagined Raata Empire. They were not of Caldari, their blood is not Caldari and once long ago they too were part of the 'insidious' Gallente Federation. Part of the sole thing that is the core of all evil and injustice in the universe in the eyes of emperor Heth. Achura stood with us during the Great War against menace of gallentean agressors and helped us to form the State as we know it today.
Our glorious leader wants to unite us, not separate. |
Shiho Weitong
Koa Mai Hoku Nulli Legio
16
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Posted - 2013.04.23 20:06:00 -
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Vincent Pryce wrote:If this tragicomedy actually plays through I wonder how long before the Achura face ethnic purges or indentured servitude under the re-imagined Raata Empire. They were not of Caldari, their blood is not Caldari and once long ago they too were part of the 'insidious' Gallente Federation. Part of the sole thing that is the core of all evil and injustice in the universe in the eyes of emperor Heth.
This statement is both preposterous and delusional.
We who felt the stars cry, We who saw the federations corruption, We who rose with our brothers and sisters We who submitted willingly to Heiian, We who stayed on the ground until our state bade us to take to the skies, We who have given all to the state and prospered, We who would willingly die for the state as those who made the choice for us.
Make no mistake here Jaijii. Achur and my people are with the state, and the state knows as much. The delusions of a single man will never change this. Even if Heth should go down this road, he would be threading it alone. We shall stand behind the state, and the state shall stand behind us.
There is no other way for my people. The stars have told me this, as they have told it to the gazers before me, as they will tell the gazers who come after me. |
Vincent Pryce
Utopian Research I.E.L. Suddenly Spaceships.
70
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Posted - 2013.04.23 21:01:00 -
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Shiho Weitong wrote:Vincent Pryce wrote:If this tragicomedy actually plays through I wonder how long before the Achura face ethnic purges or indentured servitude under the re-imagined Raata Empire. They were not of Caldari, their blood is not Caldari and once long ago they too were part of the 'insidious' Gallente Federation. Part of the sole thing that is the core of all evil and injustice in the universe in the eyes of emperor Heth. This statement is both preposterous and delusional. We who felt the stars cry, We who saw the federations corruption, We who rose with our brothers and sisters We who submitted willingly to Heiian, We who stayed on the ground until our state bade us to take to the skies, We who have given all to the state and prospered, We who would willingly die for the state as those who made the choice for us. Make no mistake here Jaijii. Achur and my people are with the state, and the state knows as much. The delusions of a single man will never change this. Even if Heth should go down this road, he would be threading it alone. We shall stand behind the state, and the state shall stand behind us. There is no other way for my people. The stars have told me this, as they have told it to the gazers before me, as they will tell the gazers who come after me.
I recommend you go back to school and actually learn the history of Saisio and the Achur before you open your mouth and make yourself look like the village idiot next time. |
Shiho Weitong
Koa Mai Hoku Nulli Legio
16
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Posted - 2013.04.23 21:16:00 -
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Vincent Pryce wrote:Shiho Weitong wrote:Vincent Pryce wrote:If this tragicomedy actually plays through I wonder how long before the Achura face ethnic purges or indentured servitude under the re-imagined Raata Empire. They were not of Caldari, their blood is not Caldari and once long ago they too were part of the 'insidious' Gallente Federation. Part of the sole thing that is the core of all evil and injustice in the universe in the eyes of emperor Heth. This statement is both preposterous and delusional. We who felt the stars cry, We who saw the federations corruption, We who rose with our brothers and sisters We who submitted willingly to Heiian, We who stayed on the ground until our state bade us to take to the skies, We who have given all to the state and prospered, We who would willingly die for the state as those who made the choice for us. Make no mistake here Jaijii. Achur and my people are with the state, and the state knows as much. The delusions of a single man will never change this. Even if Heth should go down this road, he would be threading it alone. We shall stand behind the state, and the state shall stand behind us. There is no other way for my people. The stars have told me this, as they have told it to the gazers before me, as they will tell the gazers who come after me. I recommend you go back to school and actually learn the history of Saisio and the Achur before you open your mouth and make yourself look like the village idiot next time.
I do not deny that there have been bumps on our road through the stars, as there have for all in this cluster.
Do you challenge my notion that my people support the state? Do you challenge my notion that my people left the Federation to be with the state? Do you challenge my notion that my people have prospered under the state? Do you challenge my notion that my people would die for the state?
Or are you arrogant enough to challenge my position as a gazer for my people? |
Shintoko Akahoshi
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
25
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Posted - 2013.04.24 17:23:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Achura stood with us
Interesting choice of words there. Care to chime in on your views of what happened to the Intaki who sided with the State during the war? Bio and writing |
TomHorn
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2013.04.26 14:12:00 -
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The liberal ,anti-provist, Federation sympathetic CEO's of the Mega corporations are becoming intolerable. The hither and yon governance of the Mega corporations and the CEP is not acceptable during periods of war. The demilitarized zone of Caldari prime is not acceptable.
Times change, and the way nations are governed can change. We need strong leader a patriot leading the State during periods of war. A military dictatorship.
The liberal and anti-provists who say they are willing to murder our State Leader a patriot to the State Tibus Heth is horrifying.
I feel Tibus Heth has come to the same conclusions. Now we must wait and see what the CEO's of the Mega corporations CEP and Tibus Heth decide is the best way forward for the State. To continue with a meritocracy or change the way we are governed to a military dictatorship.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
993
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:21:00 -
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Discard the tradition of our Ancestors? The very reasons we left the Federation in the first place?
I'd go Guri first. |
Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems The Fourth District
156
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Posted - 2013.04.26 20:08:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Discard the tradition of our Ancestors? The very reasons we left the Federation in the first place?
If we believe that the intent of the secession was to secure the Caldari Way, then we are ignoring some of the very real economic and political realities of the time.
Protection of the Way is what we want the secession to be about, but is that accurate?
We want it to be about a heroic struggle to be an independent people.
To invoke Raata is to invoke the height, power, and unity of Caldari culture; 1,500 years before first contact. It is to invoke the time when the Way was formalized and spread across Home. To invoke protection of the Way is to remember Raata and aspire to that example.
The threat Tibus Heth presents is escalating the conflict with a frightened and powerful Federation, led by men who are equally willing to destroy us to protect their people. Lai Dai Infinity Systems |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
995
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Posted - 2013.04.26 20:15:00 -
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The Raata empire fell and for very good reasons, I think.
An inflexible, centrally dominated, culture is doomed to tear itself apart as it vitrifies. The State system is founded on the concept with built in 'flex' whilst also being so organised as to best preserve the founder culture. It's a unique system, one we should be proud of and one which we should be prepared to defend against the threat that Heth represents.
Heiian is NOT about the glorification of one man over the many. It is about the opposite of that. Right is RIGHT, not whatever today's man decides is right. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
421
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Posted - 2013.04.27 06:22:00 -
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TomHorn wrote:To continue with a meritocracy or change the way we are governed to a military dictatorship.
But why do you oppose meritocracy to military dictatorship? You don't buy your ranks. You aren't elected for your rank by some foolish mob of voters. And you definitely do not inherit your rank from your parents. You have to EARN your rank. And for some positions, you even have to pass special training or education. You see, the military organization is one of the best and strongest forms of meritocracy. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
421
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Posted - 2013.04.27 06:25:00 -
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Dex Nederland wrote: The threat Tibus Heth presents is escalating the conflict with a frightened and powerful Federation, led by men who are equally willing to destroy us to protect their people.
The only threat is the Federation itself, and Tibus Heth helps us to deal with it. And if it is led by men who wants to destroy us, we have to destroy them first. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
421
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Posted - 2013.04.27 06:46:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:The Raata empire fell and for very good reasons, I think.
An inflexible, centrally dominated, culture is doomed to tear itself apart as it vitrifies. The State system is founded on the concept with built in 'flex' whilst also being so organised as to best preserve the founder culture. The Raata Empire fell because they won against everyone. There were no more enemies, warriors and people became "fat and lazy". There was no force to stand united against. But now there is. And this force is considerably large. We should not allow simple "tradition" to hinder out survival and stay separated while we face it. This "tradition" was nothing that a necessary evolution of the Empire to something well suited for the situation. But now the situation has changed and the tradition became obsolete. This flex is only hurting us now. The time to unite and stand together against common enemy has come once again.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote: It's a unique system, one we should be proud of and one which we should be prepared to defend against the threat that Heth represents.
Heth-haan is a supreme commander for Caldari forces. Those, who don't follow his orders, are traitors, and must be executed for treason. We have a war going on, you know. The treason is very serious crime during the war. It is a crime against all the Caldari people. Against everything we are.
Do you know, that during a war it is accepted just to shot down obvious traitors without tribunal?
Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Heiian is NOT about the glorification of one man over the many. It is about the opposite of that. Right is RIGHT, not whatever today's man decides is right.
Right is just opposite to the left. And it is absolutely accepted to glorify those, who earned this. Those, like Executor Heth, and those, like Admiral Tovil-Toba. |
Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems The Fourth District
157
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Posted - 2013.04.27 06:46:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Dex Nederland wrote: The threat Tibus Heth presents is escalating the conflict with a frightened and powerful Federation, led by men who are equally willing to destroy us to protect their people.
The only threat is the Federation itself, and Tibus Heth helps us to deal with it. And if it is led by men who wants to destroy us, we have to destroy them first.
Kim-haani, the biggest strengthener of both governments' powers is the threat of the other.
By rejecting the perceived Gallente threat, we can secure the well earned reforms for our descendants Heth-haan called for when he first rose to power. We can complete the colonization and develop Black Rise to its fullest, repay our debt to the Empire (as quickly as possible), and expand the universal presence and prestige of Caldari products and services, used across the cluster.
We can secure a strong State, equal or better in economic and military strength to any power in New Eden. But we can not do it by wasting ourselves in a fruitless war that will only see Home further scarred.
With a reduced Caldari threat, the Federation's populace becomes divided in their priorities. The growth of the Roden administration and the Blaque-led SDII is directly linked to the threat the State poses. Without the threat of Caldari ships and soldiers, the increasingly single-minded Federation government will find itself assailed on all sides by its people, demanding reductions in military spending and the security state and demanding the government pay attention to their small concerns. Corporations across Placid, Essence, Verge Vendor, and Solitude will once again come to us for quality goods and not feel that they have failed in their patriotic duties.
The way to de-claw the Federation is not through war. A conflict, a wound fresh in the minds of the mob only strengthens their resolve. Lai Dai Infinity Systems |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
421
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Posted - 2013.04.27 07:27:00 -
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Dex Nederland wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Dex Nederland wrote: The threat Tibus Heth presents is escalating the conflict with a frightened and powerful Federation, led by men who are equally willing to destroy us to protect their people.
The only threat is the Federation itself, and Tibus Heth helps us to deal with it. And if it is led by men who wants to destroy us, we have to destroy them first. Kim-haani, the biggest strengthener of both governments' powers is the threat of the other. By rejecting the perceived Gallente threat, we can secure the well earned reforms for our descendants Heth-haan called for when he first rose to power. We can complete the colonization and develop Black Rise to its fullest, repay our debt to the Empire (as quickly as possible), and expand the universal presence and prestige of Caldari products and services, used across the cluster. We can secure a strong State, equal or better in economic and military strength to any power in New Eden. But we can not do it by wasting ourselves in a fruitless war that will only see Home further scarred. With a reduced Caldari threat, the Federation's populace becomes divided in their priorities. The growth of the Roden administration and the Blaque-led SDII is directly linked to the threat the State poses. Without the threat of Caldari ships and soldiers, the increasingly single-minded Federation government will find itself assailed on all sides by its people, demanding reductions in military spending and the security state and demanding the government pay attention to their small concerns. Corporations across Placid, Essence, Verge Vendor, and Solitude will once again come to us for quality goods and not feel that they have failed in their patriotic duties. The way to de-claw the Federation is not through war. A conflict, a wound fresh in the minds of the mob only strengthens their resolve. This is an utopia, Nederland-haan. You cannot win a war by waving hand and smiling to your enemy. If you do, you either will be killed or subjugated to their will. |
Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Villore Accords
19
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Posted - 2013.04.27 07:39:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote: And it is absolutely accepted to glorify those, who earned this. Those, like Executor Heth, and those, like Admiral Tovil-Toba.
Tovil a hero...kills 2 million people and he is hero. women, children and the helpless and he is hero... Blasters for life
https://neverpheedthetroll.blogspot.com |
TomHorn
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2013.04.27 08:14:00 -
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Quote:But why do you oppose meritocracy to military dictatorship? You don't buy your ranks. You aren't elected for your rank by some foolish mob of voters. And you definitely do not inherit your rank from your parents. You have to EARN your rank. And for some positions, you even have to pass special training or education. You see, the military organization is one of the best and strongest forms of meritocracy.
With the meritocracy of the Mega corporations and all the different political views of the CEO's , liberal, anti-provist, provist, concerns for their own individual corporations the State as a whole can lose direction in the best way forward.
Id rather see a strong patriotic leader governing the State (military dictator) and doing what is best for the State as a whole during periods of war. |
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