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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13807
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Posted - 2013.04.24 16:25:00 -
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Manny Moons wrote:Tippia wrote:... 1. US gets split into UCAS, CAS, NAN and CFS in 2017 after the treaty of Denver. 2. All old US permanent residents are granted quadruple residencies by default, and can thus travel freely just like before. 3. Anyone wanting to become a resident after 2017 has to go the respective embassies to apply for the full set of permanent residencies so they can travel freely too.
Man, I gotta get my nose out of EVE and watch the news. I didn't know about any of this. You probably missed the 2001 Shiawase decision, too, which made corporations extraterritorial so they can raise their own armies and shoot runners on sight. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
Ivoto
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
17
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Posted - 2013.04.24 16:25:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Hi everyone. Probably my post will bring a lot of criticism but I want to make a point. Due to ship skills revamp people who train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V are going to get around 6mil SP. That is fine. But players who dont do that will get nothing.
I propose that players who decided not to train the mentioned skill get partial recompensation (say 30% of the max possible skills). For example, if someone gets zero additional SP from summer expansion he qualifies for 6x0.3 = 2m free SP to allocate. If the player gets 2m SP from summer expansion he qualifies for (6-2)x0.3 = 1,3m free SP to allocate etc.
Some of u will object because we all knew that in advance and could train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V. BUT while for older players 20-30 days of training is nothing newer players cant afford to spend so much time on 1-2 skills. It gives unfair advantage to older players and players who already have Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V over newer player.
That's why I propose recompensation.
Even though you're a fellow Blue Bro:
No.
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Royal Executioner Shazih
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.04.24 16:29:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:With the game being around for 10 years, it's quite possible that the older players have something in their generation that the younger players do not have in their upbringing.
It known as being told "NO" as a toddler.
But u keep forgetting that u and other so-called 'older' players do not decide anything and will never do. So your "no' is as meaningless as shoting the breeze. But. yes, thinking otherwise makes u more significant in your own eyes. Good job. And comparing me to a toddle only shoes how ill-mannered and stupid u are. You're still whining for a CCP 'official' answer? It was already given. Repeatedly. Why do you think your pushy, immature, childish tantrum is going to get you anything else? My eight-year old could parse this stuff better than you can.
Grow up. Then talk to me. And leave your [whining] slang among your teen fellows |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1031
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Posted - 2013.04.24 16:36:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Grow up. Then talk to me. And leave your [whining] slang among your teen fellows No. U grow up. Then talk to me. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1352
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Posted - 2013.04.24 16:38:00 -
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I am guessing it's about time for the mods to lock this - I think all useful discussion has already been wrung from this thread. Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. Twitter --á@DeVeldrin |
Royal Executioner Shazih
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.04.24 16:41:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Grow up. Then talk to me. And leave your [whining] slang among your teen fellows No. U grow up. Then talk to me.
What makes u think that I have a slightest desire to talk to u lol? Are u an angry alt of those who already wrote here or an independent character who decided to earn some fame by posting in this thread? |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1428
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Posted - 2013.04.24 16:45:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: Grow up. Then talk to me. And leave your [whining] slang among your teen fellows
Ah, the "I know you are, but what am I?" response. I think Pee Wee Herman used that one best. You've managed a pathetic, pale, pale ghost of an imitation of Paul Reubens' deilvery.
So - you've been pidgeon-holed pretty thoroughly. By your own words, no less. Heh.
De'Veldrin wrote:I am guessing it's about time for the mods to lock this - I think all useful discussion has already been wrung from this thread. Yup. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Royal Executioner Shazih
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.04.24 16:49:00 -
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Quote:silens vesica wrote:[quote=Royal Executioner Shazih] Grow up. Then talk to me. And leave your [whining] slang among your teen fellows Ah, the "I know you are, but what am I?" response. I think Pee Wee Herman used that one best. You've managed a pathetic, pale, pale ghost of an imitation of Paul Reubens' deilvery. So - you've been pidgeon-holed pretty thoroughly. By your own words, no less. Heh.
Oh man. An unstoppable keyboard-hero is still here lol |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1428
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Posted - 2013.04.24 16:55:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Oh man. An unstoppable keyboard-hero is still here lol
Yup. You'd know it, too. How does it feel to fail?
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Velicitia
Nex Exercitus
1425
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Posted - 2013.04.24 16:58:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Velicitia wrote:
... why is it in each of those factions, I'm trying to cram "Caldari" in there somehow?
Because the US has "all ze missiles"?
I was going more along the lines of the government is for the corporations ... but that works too.
If I could give you more than 1 space-like, I would. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia Malcanis for CSM8 |
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1032
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Posted - 2013.04.24 16:58:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:What makes u think that I have a slightest desire to talk to u lol? Are u an angry alt of those who already wrote here or an independent character who decided to earn some fame by posting in this thread? how would i 'earn some fame' in this useless thread? it's just one person being told repeatedly they're wrong and not getting it, then becoming abusive and insulting because they don't know how to accept they're incorrect |
Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
8103
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Posted - 2013.04.24 17:04:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: Grow up. Then talk to me. And leave your [whining] slang among your teen fellows
The only person using teen slang is yourself, all you're succeeding in doing is cementing the view we have of you as a petulant child.
A war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Royal Executioner Shazih
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.04.24 17:08:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:What makes u think that I have a slightest desire to talk to u lol? Are u an angry alt of those who already wrote here or an independent character who decided to earn some fame by posting in this thread? how would i 'earn some fame' in this useless thread? it's just one person being told repeatedly they're wrong and not getting it, then becoming abusive and insulting because they don't know how to accept they're incorrect
You probably understand even if 100 people say one way and 1 person says the other way, it doesn't imply that that 1 person is incorrect. Right? I never offended anyone, but instead I got like +30 insults in this thread from players who claim to be 'adults'. At some point even a calm and rational person like me loses his patience and starts adding some sourness into the posts. |
Dave Stark
2821
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Posted - 2013.04.24 17:17:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:What makes u think that I have a slightest desire to talk to u lol? Are u an angry alt of those who already wrote here or an independent character who decided to earn some fame by posting in this thread? how would i 'earn some fame' in this useless thread? it's just one person being told repeatedly they're wrong and not getting it, then becoming abusive and insulting because they don't know how to accept they're incorrect You probably understand even if 100 people say one way and 1 person says the other way, it doesn't imply that that 1 person is incorrect. Right? I never offended anyone, but instead I got like +30 insults in this thread from players who claim to be 'adults'. At some point even a calm and rational person like me loses his patience and starts adding some sourness into the posts.
you haven't been insulted once, you've simply been told how you're acting. summed up in a word; badly. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13810
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Posted - 2013.04.24 17:18:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:I never offended anyone, GǪother than in pretty much every one of your posts from page 4 and onward.
Quote:At some point even a calm and rational person like me Oh really? Could you please calmly and rationally explain why some people should be given new abilities just because others are allowed to retain theirs?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1033
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Posted - 2013.04.24 17:20:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:You probably understand even if 100 people say one way and 1 person says the other way, it doesn't imply that that 1 person is incorrect. Right? eighteen pages of good argument against that one person does. right? |
Ashterothi
Aideron Robotics
161
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Posted - 2013.04.24 17:22:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Hi everyone. Probably my post will bring a lot of criticism but I want to make a point. Due to ship skills revamp people who train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V are going to get around 6mil SP. That is fine. But players who dont do that will get nothing.
I propose that players who decided not to train the mentioned skill get partial recompensation (say 30% of the max possible skills). For example, if someone gets zero additional SP from summer expansion he qualifies for 6x0.3 = 2m free SP to allocate. If the player gets 2m SP from summer expansion he qualifies for (6-2)x0.3 = 1,3m free SP to allocate etc.
Some of u will object because we all knew that in advance and could train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V. BUT while for older players 20-30 days of training is nothing newer players cant afford to spend so much time on 1-2 skills. It gives unfair advantage to older players and players who already have Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V over newer player.
That's why I propose recompensation. It's not free SP. They can fly the same ships as they could before except now their clones cost more. But y I am punished for that? Y I have to spend 4x times more than they? Because I am younger? Newer players already heavily disadvantaged
Except when I started, you had to train learning skills for maximum efficiency. And while I did get reimbursed for the sp in learning skills, I did not get sp for all the points I didn't get from not having learning skills maxed, losing out on quite a bit in the long run. You never had that problem.
And how when I started, T1 ships were mostly crap and you were functionally useless without T2 esp for things like logi. The time to fly certain ships and roles has dramatically been reduced.
That being said, I do agree the gulf of high skills vs low skills is growing. However, in this case I would say HTFU. Aideron Robotics is hiring for the Gallente Federation war effort! https://www.aideronrobotics.com/wiki/Applying |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3271
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Posted - 2013.04.24 17:24:00 -
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Instead of talking, you guys should start shooting him.
Then, he could make another thread whining about how unfair it is that people kill him because he has an opinion. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
1020
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Posted - 2013.04.24 17:28:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Instead of talking, you guys should start shooting him.
Then, he could make another thread whining about how unfair it is that people kill him because he has an opinion.
As someone whispered in my ear for this lad you'd join RvB just to shoot him over and over and over and ....
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Dave Stark
2821
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Posted - 2013.04.24 17:28:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Instead of talking, you guys should start shooting him.
Then, he could make another thread whining about how unfair it is that people kill him because he has an opinion. As someone whispered in my ear for this lad you'd join RvB just to shoot him over and over and over and ....
the prospect is tempting. |
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
1020
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Posted - 2013.04.24 17:30:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:flakeys wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Instead of talking, you guys should start shooting him.
Then, he could make another thread whining about how unfair it is that people kill him because he has an opinion. As someone whispered in my ear for this lad you'd join RvB just to shoot him over and over and over and .... the prospect is tempting.
Yeah gosh who would have whispered this in my allts ear in scc dave? Who oh who ....
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
209
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Posted - 2013.04.24 17:33:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Instead of talking, you guys should start shooting him.
Then, he could make another thread whining about how unfair it is that people kill him because he has an opinion.
Hmm. This is a tempting idea and I am considering setting the OP to red now and hunting him down for eternity. But then again not sure if its worth wasting my time. Lets see what other rubbish the OP comes out with and see if I change my mind. |
Dave Stark
2821
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Posted - 2013.04.24 17:35:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Dave Stark wrote:flakeys wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Instead of talking, you guys should start shooting him.
Then, he could make another thread whining about how unfair it is that people kill him because he has an opinion. As someone whispered in my ear for this lad you'd join RvB just to shoot him over and over and over and .... the prospect is tempting. Yeah gosh who would have whispered this in my allts ear in scc dave? Who oh who ....
i have no idea... none what so ever. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4695
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Posted - 2013.04.24 17:46:00 -
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Caxton Verticorda wrote:If you start training now there is enough time to get Battlecruisers 5 and Destroyers 5 before the changes hit. (Probably a repost since I cba to read through every other post, but hey.) Only if you start NOW, are on a perfect perc/wil remap, and have +5s or are otherwise able to train at least 2700 sp/hr. Otherwise no, you'll miss it and only be able to get up to battlecruisers 4, which should still be fine for most new players. Older players should have already known about and gotten the skills they need considering they've known about this change for a very long time. Module activation timers are buggy. CCP please fix. |
Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
128
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Posted - 2013.04.24 17:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Very simple
PGéü: Current skill system is bad. PGéé: Current skill system is better than before. C: Old skill system was bad. Fixed. So that's a yes, then, as expected. It's ok, we've already established that I realised why you were right all along and that I'm just evading the question now, constantly moving the goalposts and injecting straw men in a desperate attempt to say right. As you're so fond of saying: /discussion.
Fixed.
I agree, thank you for admitting that you were wrong, Tippia.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4695
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Posted - 2013.04.24 17:55:00 -
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Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Tippia wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Very simple
PGéü: Current skill system is bad. PGéé: Current skill system is better than before. C: Old skill system was bad. Fixed. So that's a yes, then, as expected. It's ok, we've already established that I realised why you were right all along and that I'm just evading the question now, constantly moving the goalposts and injecting straw men in a desperate attempt to say right. As you're so fond of saying: /discussion. Fixed. I agree, thank you for admitting that you were wrong, Tippia. Are you just being thick, or did you really miss the sarcasm? Module activation timers are buggy. CCP please fix. |
Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
128
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Posted - 2013.04.24 17:57:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote: Are you just being thick, or did you really miss the sarcasm?
Someone here has missed something, that's true. |
Dave Stark
2824
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Posted - 2013.04.24 17:58:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Caxton Verticorda wrote:If you start training now there is enough time to get Battlecruisers 5 and Destroyers 5 before the changes hit. (Probably a repost since I cba to read through every other post, but hey.) Only if you start NOW, are on a perfect perc/wil remap, and have +5s or are otherwise able to train at least 2700 sp/hr. Otherwise no, you'll miss it and only be able to get up to battlecruisers 4, which should still be fine for most new players. Older players should have already known about and gotten the skills they need considering they've known about this change for a very long time.
if i've read the dev post correctly it says training in progress will be paused (not refunded) so even if you did start now, you will only have a day or two left to train (multiplied by 4) so even then you have what, a week at most of training to "catch up" with? |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4696
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Posted - 2013.04.24 18:00:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Caxton Verticorda wrote:If you start training now there is enough time to get Battlecruisers 5 and Destroyers 5 before the changes hit. (Probably a repost since I cba to read through every other post, but hey.) Only if you start NOW, are on a perfect perc/wil remap, and have +5s or are otherwise able to train at least 2700 sp/hr. Otherwise no, you'll miss it and only be able to get up to battlecruisers 4, which should still be fine for most new players. Older players should have already known about and gotten the skills they need considering they've known about this change for a very long time. if i've read the dev post correctly it says training in progress will be paused (not refunded) so even if you did start now, you will only have a day or two left to train (multiplied by 4) so even then you have what, a week at most of training to "catch up" with? They changed that? This is what I last saw: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2149156#post2149156 "Only rational integers need apply." Module activation timers are buggy. CCP please fix. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13814
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Posted - 2013.04.24 18:02:00 -
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Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Fixed. Nope. You broke it again. Let's be charitable and just call it a strawman rather than outright lying and forgery. Let's also go back and repost the correct version since you have forgotten it, and see if you can get it right this time. Fiftyeleventh time is the charm, right?
PGéü: If things are bad, they can be improved. PGéé: The skill tree is getting improved, according to Tippia. C: The skill tree was bad, according to Tippia GåÉ non sequitur.
Now, would you like to take a stab at proving me wrong aboutGǪ wellGǪ anything? Or at least offer some argument towards that effect? Perhaps you would like to read up on what a GÇ£non sequiturGÇ¥ is, rather than rely on a very limited (and ultimately insufficient) dictionary definition? Maybe you can demonstrate how PGéü and PGéé actually leads to C? Or even better, how PGéé leads to C without PGéü GÇö that would be interestingGǪ
GǪor you can keep evading, further highlighting your inability to actually present a coherent argument.
I know you do. It was established ages ago that you understand what the non sequitur was and why it was one, and that you've only been trying to hide this fact ever since. That's why you have to keep moving the goalposts and inject strawmen to stay afloat.
Quote:thank you for admitting that you were wrong Non sequitur. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
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