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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.04.24 02:47:00 -
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This is the kind of sensationlist lies that I'd expect from Gutter Press, not from credible news sources. Though I suppose you can't trust anything that is not ACN. Her Imperial Majesty is blessed by God and has ruled with great wisdom, regardless of what this blasphemous report says. |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
282
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Posted - 2013.04.24 02:59:00 -
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I agree with you that this manner of speculation doesn't qualify as 'news' at all. It's the sort of editorializing and opinionated response we'd expect from discussion on the Summit. I would be more concerned if her advisors were making note of volatility.
As it stands...? The Scope is Gallente, and so we should naturally assume its reports are biased by Gallente editorial review. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
745
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Posted - 2013.04.24 03:13:00 -
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In the Empress' defense, it all comes down to simple mathematics.
With billions if not trillions of people celebrating, even outside of the Empire, odds are a handful are going to wind up hurting themselves. Say if there is a 1 in 100 million chance of getting hurt at one of these events, odds are that quite a few are going to get hurt when billions of people are involved.
Should a Gallente concert get canceled because of a booster addict overdosing himself in the crowd? You simply cannot let a massive minority of people decide the fate of the majority. Point is, nearly everyone celebrating is safe and enjoying themselves. Let them. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
664
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Posted - 2013.04.24 04:09:00 -
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Interesting. So reports of Jamyl's aberrant behavior finally hit the mainstream press (something that's been hinted at and spoken of in hushed whispers for years, by the way) and you imperials brush just them aside as simply biased and sensationalized? She is a (cloned) human, after all, and prone to the same illnesses, physical and mental, that the rest of us are. Maybe you should do a little research rather than simply dismissing these reports out of hand?
You know, often where one finds large quantities of smoke, something is combusting nearby. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1265
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Posted - 2013.04.24 06:47:00 -
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The Empress is the Empress and as such it is wrong to publicly criticise her for as long as she is Empress. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
356
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Posted - 2013.04.24 10:31:00 -
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Let's see what this erratic behavior is. 1) She's sometime quiet and lost in thought. 2) She's sometimes angry with others 3) She sometimes argues with herself.
I've seen those behaviors many time in people who are stressed and attempting to work under pressure. They're rather innocuous.
Remember, she's the leader of the largest empire in the Cluster, engaged in a Reclaiming against the Minmatar, and the Amarr's closest ally appears to be about to plunge into some times of internal civil conflict. Oh, and not the mention the ongoing Incursions.
It's not an easy job. She's the Empress, not a fabulous Princess from a holofilm. She's not a celebrity whose job it is to always look wonderful and never show worry or frustration. She's a leader, and real leadership takes a hell of a lot out of you.
The other 'erratic' behaviors aren't difficult to understand. Someone under her moved forward with a wide-ranging reform without consulting her, so she got angry. When she saw the reform was having positive results, she supported it.
An no, the Empress hasn't issued any official statements about the internal problems of the Caldari. Anything she says could increase an already volatile situation. But do you really think she hasn't had private meetings with members of the Caldari government? although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Uriel Khaden
Hedion University Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2013.04.24 11:53:00 -
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What the "news" wants to make of the Empress is irrelevant. The Empire is not in the habit of bending to public opinion regarding its politics, policies or leader. For as long as the Empress remains on the throne of the Empire, she has the sworn allegiance of the Amarr Empire and all within it. |
Kithrus
Deus Fides Empire Curatores Veritatis Alliance
249
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Posted - 2013.04.24 12:22:00 -
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GÇ£Our passion takes us to extremes that push us beyond everyday boundaries. Your actions appeal to the divinity that blesses my station, and it is only fitting that you would emulate it. Reach for heaven, fervent children of God.GÇ¥
I can understand the necessity to let ones hair down. Indeed its important to have rest when doing Gods work. Dieing of exhaustion when its not called for does no one no good.
That being said the empress didn't say she endorses people ripping people off moving verticals. She said she understands that during sure merry making things can get.... interesting.
She also said for us to reach for heaven which for those of you not familiar with Amarrian phases is the same as 'walk with God' 'staying in grace' ect. This is a nice way of saying do what would be morally applicable and applying common sense. No one is saying those deaths are okay, they are expected however when people get too over the top.
I've heard of worse from sports fans honestly. The only reason this is reported on is because in the Empire its so damned uncommon.
Now if you excuse me my cup is quite empty and party is long from over.
Walk with God. |
Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
879
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Posted - 2013.04.24 13:26:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:I expect topless-Jamyl costumes (including action swords) to be all the rage at this season's costume parties.
My last Jamyl costume won me a prize at a party.
I think this year... I will leave that to others. "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
879
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Posted - 2013.04.24 13:27:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote: Let's see what this erratic behavior is. 1) She's sometime quiet and lost in thought. 2) She's sometimes angry with others 3) She sometimes argues with herself.
Sounds like... you know, everyone I have ever met.
Still, down with this sort of thing. Or something.
"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1430
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Posted - 2013.04.24 14:32:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:This is a purely internal matter and, thus, the sole business of the Amarr. Is this the new stock answer for everything in order to stifle debate? Or does this only apply to those who comment on Caldari and Amarrian issues? Not much point in this channel or any other communication medium in that case. I'll be sure to regurgitate this response when there are Matari "internal matters" that the rest of you decide to comment on. When you do, I'll be certain to point out your hypoicrisy as well.
No, it's simply how the Caldari work. They tend to their own house. Same would go for any Empire. If a few State Citizens were killed, then maybe it would be a Caldari issue. But it didn't happen.
His opinion doesn't stifle debate. If you think his one comment is stifling then that's your own problem.
Nothing wrong with stating that as his opinion.
So stop being touchy. Grow some thicker skin for crying out loud.
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Gosakumori Noh
Viziam Amarr Empire
185
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Posted - 2013.04.25 04:38:00 -
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Reach for Heaven, Fermenting Children!
What, sweetie? That's not what she said? Oh. My bad. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2653
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Posted - 2013.04.25 15:11:00 -
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Let's see....
Caldari state under the Provists is much at odds with the corporations.
Federation is looking hypocritical and weak as it sacrifices liberty for security.
Minmatar having tribal issues again as the memory of their nemesis (the Amarr) fades and they all don't have one thing to hate.
And now the Amarr falling into fundamentalist chaos and extremism.
Ah yes the universe is going to be a wonderfully anarchistic cauldron of chaos. We will see the best of the human race, and the worst, but we will be seeing the human race.
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Arista Shahni
Real Simple Construction The Citadel Consortium
17
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Posted - 2013.04.25 15:17:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Ah yes the universe is going to be a wonderfully anarchistic cauldron of chaos. We will see the best of the human race, and the worst, but we will be seeing the human race.
From a wide enough perspective, that's all anyone can see. ;)
"I was dreaming once, and I dreampt of a world where I was nothing more than a biological fitting; a slave to the machine and crew, instead of the other way around. Don't you wonder at how easy it would have been for this scenario to happen, instead of how it actually unfolded?" |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
670
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Posted - 2013.04.25 18:12:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: ...Minmatar having tribal issues again as the memory of their nemesis (the Amarr) fades and they all don't have one thing to hate...
What tribal issues are you referring to? There are no inter-tribal squabbles now. As a matter of fact, we've all united behind Karin Midular and are praying for her recovery. You're also wrong that we've forgotten about the threat posed by the Amarr. We'll be forever vigilant regarding the slavers so long as they continue their policy of "reclaiming".
It also shows how little you truly understand of our people when you state as fact that the only thing that unites us is a hatred for the slavers. There's so much more to us than that. I find your overly simplistic argument, quite frankly, offensive.
So much ignorance and bigotry in that one sentence. That's quite an accomplishment, pilot. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Uriel Khaden
Hedion University Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2013.04.25 18:57:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:And now the Amarr falling into fundamentalist chaos and extremism.
I'd hardly call what's transpiring in the Empire "fundamentalist chaos and extremism." |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
989
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Posted - 2013.04.25 21:07:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:This is a purely internal matter and, thus, the sole business of the Amarr. Is this the new stock answer for everything in order to stifle debate? Or does this only apply to those who comment on Caldari and Amarrian issues? Not much point in this channel or any other communication medium in that case. I'll be sure to regurgitate this response when there are Matari "internal matters" that the rest of you decide to comment on. When you do, I'll be certain to point out your hypoicrisy as well.
You should consider emulating the better of your colleagues and try acting to defuse the stereotype of the 'Angry Minmatar'. I understand that your culture embraces passion, but there's a difference between passion and public hysterics. Just some advice.
Specific to my comment, though... In the interests of full disclosure, I should say that I find this outpouring of religious ecstacy on the part of my State's allies to be as unfathomable and distasteful as many others seem to - but whilst I might have a personal opinion on it, this particular policy of the Empire is something that wholly affects only the Empire itself. As such, I've largely held my tongue on the matter.
Contrast this to, say, plans for a new Reclaiming - which, although a matter of Imperial Policy, would effect almost every other population in New Eden. On such a matter I would expect everyone to have an opinion. On the matter of a new trade policy, equally - this would affect everyone.
Do we really need to hear every capsuleers opinion of how the Amarr party?
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
288
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Posted - 2013.04.25 21:26:00 -
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[comment withdrawn] |
BloodBird
Mixed Metaphor
164
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Posted - 2013.04.25 22:21:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Let's see....
Caldari state under the Provists is much at odds with the corporations.
Federation is looking hypocritical and weak as it sacrifices liberty for security.
Minmatar having tribal issues again as the memory of their nemesis (the Amarr) fades and they all don't have one thing to hate.
And now the Amarr falling into fundamentalist chaos and extremism.
Ah yes the universe is going to be a wonderfully anarchistic cauldron of chaos. We will see the best of the human race, and the worst, but we will be seeing the human race.
I take it we will see equally extensive sources and explanations for these extremely generalizing remarks of yours, Wolfhammer, just like we did last time, with the Black Eagles rally in Villore?
Oh yeah, that's right. You never back any of your assumptions and wide-ranging accusations up with anything remotely resembling proper arguments or facts. I will just assume your taking a **** on the Empires.
Like you usually do.
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Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
674
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Posted - 2013.04.25 23:39:00 -
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If no comments were desired then, the news article shouldn't have been posted in a public FORUM whose purpose is DISCUSSION, IDEA EXCHANGE AND OPINIONS. My mistake for assuming otherwise. Please, "better colleagues" carry on.
Perhaps in future I'll see you similarly admonishing your Caldari brethren and Amarrian allies when they comment on matters not directly related to the State and Empire? What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
990
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Posted - 2013.04.26 00:50:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:If no comments were desired then, the news article shouldn't have been posted in a public FORUM whose purpose is DISCUSSION, IDEA EXCHANGE AND OPINIONS. My mistake for assuming otherwise. Please, "better colleagues" carry on.
Perhaps in future I'll see you similarly admonishing your Caldari brethren and Amarrian allies when they comment on matters not directly related to the State and Empire?
I don't understand why you think I'd be partisan on behalf of the Empire... |
Gosakumori Noh
Viziam Amarr Empire
193
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Posted - 2013.04.26 02:11:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I don't understand why you think I'd be partisan on behalf of the Empire...
It's because of your golden... good looks, Pieter.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2664
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:34:00 -
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BloodBird wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Let's see....
Caldari state under the Provists is much at odds with the corporations.
Federation is looking hypocritical and weak as it sacrifices liberty for security.
Minmatar having tribal issues again as the memory of their nemesis (the Amarr) fades and they all don't have one thing to hate.
And now the Amarr falling into fundamentalist chaos and extremism.
Ah yes the universe is going to be a wonderfully anarchistic cauldron of chaos. We will see the best of the human race, and the worst, but we will be seeing the human race.
I take it we will see equally extensive sources and explanations for these extremely generalizing remarks of yours, Wolfhammer, just like we did last time, with the Black Eagles rally in Villore? Oh yeah, that's right. You never back any of your assumptions and wide-ranging accusations up with anything remotely resembling proper arguments or facts. I will just assume your taking a **** on the Empires. Like you usually do.
The reason why I don't bother is because I have never seen any amount of words broadcast in the IGS manage to change anybody's ideals or observations.
Our heads are thicker than tech 2 1600mm Tungsten.
So don't flatter yourself by thinking I will take the time to argue with you.
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Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps Interstellar Online Network
146
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Posted - 2013.04.29 03:18:00 -
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And here I was thinking that this article would actually contain some iota of news about the actual Empress. Alas. See Sue Sing |
Natalcya Katla
Naqam Shaktipat Revelators
119
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Posted - 2013.04.29 03:55:00 -
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Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:And here I was thinking that this article would actually contain some iota of news about the actual Empress. Alas. Indeed. The article linked in the OP doesn't even specify whether the woman portraying a bare-breasted Empress Jamyl was wearing nipple rings or not.
Shoddy journalism. |
BloodBird
Mixed Metaphor
167
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Posted - 2013.04.29 10:36:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:BloodBird wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Let's see....
Caldari state under the Provists is much at odds with the corporations.
Federation is looking hypocritical and weak as it sacrifices liberty for security.
Minmatar having tribal issues again as the memory of their nemesis (the Amarr) fades and they all don't have one thing to hate.
And now the Amarr falling into fundamentalist chaos and extremism.
Ah yes the universe is going to be a wonderfully anarchistic cauldron of chaos. We will see the best of the human race, and the worst, but we will be seeing the human race.
I take it we will see equally extensive sources and explanations for these extremely generalizing remarks of yours, Wolfhammer, just like we did last time, with the Black Eagles rally in Villore? Oh yeah, that's right. You never back any of your assumptions and wide-ranging accusations up with anything remotely resembling proper arguments or facts. I will just assume your taking a **** on the Empires. Like you usually do. The reason why I don't bother is because I have never seen any amount of words broadcast in the IGS manage to change anybody's ideals or observations. Our heads are thicker than tech 2 1600mm Tungsten. So don't flatter yourself by thinking I will take the time to argue with you.
I have never asked for an argument, I have asked you to provide some basis for your beliefs that all the governments around you deserve endless ridicule. But if your going to claim that it's okay to do this all the time because no-one believe you anyway and that this saves you from having to back your arguments up with anything at all, I can play along.
I'll just assume until proven wrong, that your talking out of your rear and have nothing of meaning that can validate your claims.
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