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Tiberius Patterson
Phantom Soulreavers Axiom Solaris
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Posted - 2013.04.23 18:59:00 -
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I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this but I'll ask anyway.
I seem to remember reading a post a while back where there was some information about new Black Ops ships being released in the Summer expansion. For the life of me, I cannot seem to find that post. Does anyone know either a) where I can find that post and/or b) if there is any information on it somewhere, if true. |
Hakaimono
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly
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Posted - 2013.04.23 19:14:00 -
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I hope its not true. Can't imagine why we need more of those. |
Alexa Coates
Federation Navy Assembly Group LLC
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Posted - 2013.04.23 19:16:00 -
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black ops is a dead class. Name how many you've seen, ever. That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers. |
Bruce Kemp
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2013.04.23 19:20:00 -
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Alexa Coates wrote:black ops is a dead class. Name how many you've seen, ever.
They are used quite alot in low sec, hot dropping in gangs.
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Auduin Samson
Do not disturb Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2013.04.23 19:34:00 -
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Alexa Coates wrote:black ops is a dead class. Name how many you've seen, ever.
Wouldn't seeing them kind of defeat their purpose? |
Liquid Omega
Tempestas Oriens Sev3rance
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Posted - 2013.04.23 19:44:00 -
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Alexa Coates wrote:black ops is a dead class. Name how many you've seen, ever.
Wait until you meet PL hotdroppers and you know that BLOPS is not dead. |
Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2013.04.23 20:19:00 -
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Tiberius Patterson wrote:I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this but I'll ask anyway.
I seem to remember reading a post a while back where there was some information about new Black Ops ships being released in the Summer expansion. For the life of me, I cannot seem to find that post. Does anyone know either a) where I can find that post and/or b) if there is any information on it somewhere, if true.
That is incorrect. In CSM minutes last december, Ytterbium and Fozzie mentioned that they'd like to split Black Ops into a "Combat" and "Covert" variant, but I do remember the majority of CSM disagreeing at the time, suggesting that the existing ships get a combat buff instead. |
Tiberius Patterson
Phantom Soulreavers Axiom Solaris
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Posted - 2013.04.23 21:18:00 -
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Caitlyn Tufy wrote:Tiberius Patterson wrote:I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this but I'll ask anyway.
I seem to remember reading a post a while back where there was some information about new Black Ops ships being released in the Summer expansion. For the life of me, I cannot seem to find that post. Does anyone know either a) where I can find that post and/or b) if there is any information on it somewhere, if true. That is incorrect. In CSM minutes last december, Ytterbium and Fozzie mentioned that they'd like to split Black Ops into a "Combat" and "Covert" variant, but I do remember the majority of CSM disagreeing at the time, suggesting that the existing ships get a combat buff instead.
Thanks for that. I appreciate the reply. That would also explain why I can't seem to find anything on it. |
Caleb Seremshur
Angel of War Whores in space
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Posted - 2013.04.23 23:51:00 -
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I don't understand why they would feel a need to break it down in to two different sub categories. A recon ship without a cloak is a bit silly and a black ops ship without a cloak seems insane considering they already have bad scan res in addition to no targeting delay. They already have the basis for a strong combat ship within the existing ship design it just needs tweaks. Making them bigger more badass versions of recon ships might make sense in a certain kind of way but mostly it's a cop out in game design. As an example take the widow and make it torpedoes and ecm and it's just an oversized rook. Take the widow now give it much higher mobility and enough slots to solo another battleship with relative ease and you have a potent ambush ship that isn't much good against much else without back up.
To which effect it might pay to make a highslot module that can lock on to covert cyno signals to provide more incentive to fly ships that produce them. |
ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
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Posted - 2013.04.24 01:39:00 -
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Hakaimono wrote:I hope its not true. Can't imagine why we need more of those. But they might look cool! You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument! |
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Tauranon
Weeesearch
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Posted - 2013.04.24 04:49:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:I don't understand why they would feel a need to break it down in to two different sub categories. A recon ship without a cloak is a bit silly and a black ops ship without a cloak seems insane considering they already have bad scan res in addition to no targeting delay. They already have the basis for a strong combat ship within the existing ship design it just needs tweaks. Making them bigger more badass versions of recon ships might make sense in a certain kind of way but mostly it's a cop out in game design. As an example take the widow and make it torpedoes and ecm and it's just an oversized rook. Take the widow now give it much higher mobility and enough slots to solo another battleship with relative ease and you have a potent ambush ship that isn't much good against much else without back up.
To which effect it might pay to make a highslot module that can lock on to covert cyno signals to provide more incentive to fly ships that produce them.
A cloakwarper with greater than battleship firepower that can win a battleship dps/ehp race and cannot even be locked down into a system is just waaay too overpowered. Lowsec would just be rife with hunting blops and the forums would be a river of blops tears, and people would be using them instead of marauders for missions, given that once you get over 1000 dps or so you don't really need a tank.
I'm sure each ship could do with some adjustments, but their group role is what should define them.
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Caleb Seremshur
Angel of War Whores in space
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Posted - 2013.04.24 11:20:00 -
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Are you implying that a maelstrom, a ship that can tank 1400dps for some 30 seconds without consuming any capacitor would insinuate your average 1000dps blaster boat doesn't need "a tank"?
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Velicitia
Nex Exercitus
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Posted - 2013.04.24 12:26:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Are you implying that a maelstrom, a ship that can tank 1400dps for some 30 seconds without consuming any capacitor would insinuate your average 1000dps blaster boat doesn't need "a tank"?
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Add a Scimi or Basi and a Vulture in fleet with that and you'll definitely ruin someone's day. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia Malcanis for CSM8 |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.04.24 12:41:00 -
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I did a google search for "EVE Black Ops Changes" and here is the top result....
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=195189
Also, BLOPS is not dead. #savejita |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.04.24 13:09:00 -
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Yep, Blops is dead. We haven't used them since release date at all.
They're terrible. Sell all of yours.
Also, that raven is missing a cyno. Derp |
Camper101
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.04.24 13:09:00 -
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Confirming that Black Ops are useless and never used. Before even thinking about using them, please move along. There is nothing to see here. 2013.03.01 13:30:58 notify For participating in the General Discussion Forum Section your trustworthiness has been adjusted by -2.5000.
My name is Hans. The "L" stands for danger. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
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Posted - 2013.04.24 13:56:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Are you implying that a maelstrom, a ship that can tank 1400dps for some 30 seconds without consuming any capacitor would insinuate your average 1000dps blaster boat doesn't need "a tank"?
I'm saying that the job of squaring up against your raven is a job for the Kronos, not the Sin, and if the Sin suddenly had Kronos+ dps, then not only would it do a lot of solo pvp, it would also replace the kronos in pve - and its thin tank wouldn't matter once the pilot can reach the magic dps number. |
Diesel47
Bad Men Ltd.
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Posted - 2013.04.24 14:55:00 -
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Bruce Kemp wrote:Alexa Coates wrote:black ops is a dead class. Name how many you've seen, ever. They are used quite alot in low sec, hot dropping in gangs.
Such good gameplay that CCP should be encouraging.
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Caleb Seremshur
Angel of War Whores in space
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Posted - 2013.04.24 15:10:00 -
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What "should" a black ops be doing? I always sorta saw it as a ship that goes deep in to enemy territory and ganks the **** outta their mission ships etc. That's why I made the suggestion about their capacity to kill enemy BS class vessels. Give them bonuses that help them against BS but still make them useless against cruisers/frigates making them a heavily stealth/ambush based ship but once that puppy uncloaks you're dead without back up.
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PhantomF HarlockIII
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.04.24 16:29:00 -
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Black Ops...?
i never saw them in game... they really exist and are usefull?
I rove brack ops |
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Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2013.04.24 17:41:00 -
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Hey is an idea, might have already been thought of
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=228568&find=unread
R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Zenos Ebeth
People Who Don't Like People
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Posted - 2013.04.24 18:38:00 -
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Hakaimono wrote:I hope its not true. Can't imagine why we need more of those.
I kwow why we need more black ops ships
Kalaakiota paintjob on a rohk.
That is all. |
Kurfin
Kippers and Jam Developments
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Posted - 2013.04.24 20:10:00 -
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If they go though the tech 2 ships the same way they went though the tech 1s, the BLOPs and marauders will be last so any changes or additions are likely a year away. They haven't even announced the changes to the faction BSs and all the pirate ships yet.
My money would be on no additional BLOPs though. Navy BCs aside, the focus seems to be very much on tweaking/remaking existing ships rather than introducing new ones. Plus I'm not sure they are used enough to justify doubling their line up. |
Stampertje'n
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2013.04.24 20:49:00 -
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black ops aint dead. We use them on a daily basis if there is no roam. They work pretty great tbh
few kills from this month : ineluctable.eu/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18018 ineluctable.eu/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17962 ineluctable.eu/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17267 (for some reason linking doesn't work so just copy paste) |
Mister Tuggles
Prime Numbers
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Posted - 2013.04.24 22:49:00 -
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Tiberius Patterson wrote:I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this but I'll ask anyway.
I seem to remember reading a post a while back where there was some information about new Black Ops ships being released in the Summer expansion. For the life of me, I cannot seem to find that post. Does anyone know either a) where I can find that post and/or b) if there is any information on it somewhere, if true.
I am not sure it is coming in the Summer expansion, but CCP did state that they wanted to break to current BLOPS into two ships. One that would be more of a support role (cov cyno jumps), and one that would be more of a damage role.
This has probably changed somewhere in the time that it was announced, but this is what I know/remember reading. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
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Posted - 2013.04.25 01:04:00 -
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I always felt that Black Ops and other stealth based ships should be centered around reconnaissance and sabotage in enemy territory. Right now they are more used for WTFBBQ???? dropping on people.
Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Drake Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.04.25 01:08:00 -
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Zenos Ebeth wrote:Hakaimono wrote:I hope its not true. Can't imagine why we need more of those. I kwow why we need more black ops ships Kalaakiota paintjob on a rohk. That is all. That's not a paint job, someone just keeps spilling red paint on bpos. "The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."-Vermaak Doe |
Santo Trafficante
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2013.04.25 08:37:00 -
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lol !!!! |
Alphaphi
TULAZHVESK Arsenal
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Posted - 2013.04.25 11:15:00 -
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Blops are not dead at all, Dirt nap squad and my old corp The Iiluminatii specialises in those bastards! it's fun as hell once you get started |
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