to be clear, I dont want any changes in regard to cloak and local at all, just pointing out they are interconnected and cant be changed separately without the other.

Afk cloaking can be changed just fine without having to change local.

With my idea. Active cloakers can still find and kill idiots that don't watch local all the same.

Afk cloaking can be changed just fine without having to change local.

With my idea. Active cloakers can still find and kill idiots that don't watch local all the same.

With my idea. Active cloakers can still find and kill idiots that don't watch local all the same.

I'm going to laugh when CCP announces that the local changes they've been thinking of, ends up being a SOV structure which can be incapped, which allows the inhabitants (and their friends) to see who's in a system, but the roaming gangs get no intel.

You mean delayed just long enough so you can warp to someone, I take it.

No it can't. Because everyone watches local and when they see someone on there that isn't on dscan they will dock up until the anti cloak regiment comes through. It's not going to happen without local removal, and when that occurs you'll be screaming for a revert to the old way. Don't say you weren't warned but there is NO way to have cloaks useful while showing in local and becoming probeable/detectable. It doesn't matter how much you insist otherwise. Period.

I hate you for dredging this up again.

This.

Endeavour Starfleet,why do you insist on constantly bringing this bad idea thread back from the dead?
You have 5 likes on the OP (most of which I would guess are your alts) and only 2 at most in the thread that even come close to liking your idea. 1 of which changes his mind and states it's over powered.

Let it die, you failed.

What makes you think likes are ANY kind of measure of an idea? I have 608 likes does that make me awesome or does it mean that some fool ran a script to like just about every post I ever made?

Could care less what you think about this topic really. It has been modified and now stands as a valid idea. It removes the incentive to AFK cloak without ruining cloaking or nullsec.

Could care less

army of AFK cloakers

Such a thing does not exist.

Some people who cloak in enemy ratting systems do genuinely go AFK during the course of a day, sure. But for the vast majority of the time they are active and looking for people to shoot at. At worst, they might be semi-active, doing more effort-effective stuff on their mains, but they are still checking their probes, checking the gates, the complexes.

AFK Cloakers are a myth.

Why would you ever train a character to recons 5 to sit it in a system doing nothing ?

It turns out that denying the enemies the ability to make money doesn't make you anything, nor does it make you feel good. Useful pvp characters are rather better used to do pvp-type things. Certainly much better than sitting cloaked at a safe spot.

If there is no such thing as an Army of AFK cloakers then my idea will do little to them and thus I would not be receiving the mountain of hate in this topic.

Train recon to V? Wut? You train up to use the Stealth bomber or cov ops (Depending on how cheap the one for trained race is) And black ops cyno (Cyno V 25 days or so max). Maybe enough to use a half decent warp scram. And that is it. That alt is set for hotdropping and you go on with your main. One of the first I noticed was like this. Obviously an AFKer that would log in after a days fun. And if he couldn't sleep that night he would try to set up a hotdrop.

Of course later they hit the area with dedicated AFK accounts.

It is completely imbalanced to favor the AFKness. And even if you managed to get him. He will come back in an hour with one of the tens of ships fitted from a bit of work running sanctums. That is even if the alliance isn't funding him/her outright.

Atleast with my system he/she will be doing a bit more traveling if they decide to go AFK for long periods of time.

If there is a red in system, he is watching you.

There is no need for change to cloaks at all. They are probably the most balanced element in the game, and the only thing CCP doesn't need to work on balancing. You take no risk, so you get no reward. They make it possible to spy on an enemy's POS long before attacking it, in order to gather intel. They allow you to stay safe, even in low-sec/null-sec/WH. And they can be broken if anything comes close enough. So they are nowhere near unbalanced. In fact, I have yet to see anyone undock and cloak to go AFK. The only cloaks I've seen are Covert-ops Probers cloaking while probing to avoid being obvious targets as well as cloaked scouts, warping to some location to keep an eye on the enemy.

In short: CCP, ignore this thread. Cloaks work properly and should not be broken as suggested by the OP.

Basically if you want to afk you log off, as in EVERY other game. Cloaking=cheating, should be removed/rebalanced.

I'm not talking about intel gathering in WH's here. That is done in a completely different manner cause of system mechanics. Im talking about intel gathering in 0.0, because of system mechanics.

In a cov-op, with a cov-op cloak, you can get quite a lot of info without being detected. From number of people in system to the reaction of said individuals. A cov-op generally have no tank, nor dps and need to keep a general low profile when sniffing about. Get what you need, and get out. That is how its usually been in my encounters of this kind, and that is not a problem. Cloak works as intended.

The problem arises when players uses ships not intended for cov-ops roles. That is where I think the system is wrong. Since you can still get plenty of info while staying cloaked. Dscan and probe scanning can be done even while you are cloaked, and this messes up with the no risk no reward. Since it really is no risk staying cloaked in a safe spot somewhere. Then you should not get any reward either, i.e. scanning information.